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Adam Kay’s dangerous misogyny Women are reduced to orifices with imbeciles attached

You might feel a bit of a prick. Credit: BBC


February 14, 2022   5 mins

It is clear, reading This is Going to Hurt, Adam Kay’s 2017 memoir, that he had a breakdown at the end of his years as an NHS junior doctor in obs and gynae: “brats and twats”. This is frightening for us — the NHS he describes is fraying and unsafe — and emotionally disastrous for him. Now, a seven-part BBC series, starring the likeable Ben Whishaw — this casting is surely deliberate —  tells us Kay’s story, or part of it at least.

The BBC series is the NHS flying a tattered flag. It contrasts the maternity units of the NHS with the soothing hotels that are private London clinics. The TV show is a travesty of the book, which I suspect the BBC considered unfilmable, though it would have made for a better, and more chilling, piece of art.

The memoir is riven with self-hatred, and hatred for female bodies. It contributes to the already swollen canon of female shame. Its gaze is so masculine the TV show had to invent a leading female character out of nothing, for balance. Kay’s original women are a collection of constituent body parts, no more. They exist to be judged and be saved. Their experience is laughable.

It is not like that from the other side of the screen. I remember, after my son’s birth in a London teaching hospital, my abdomen swelling with paralytic ileus after an emergency caesarean section. Paralytic ileus is a frozen bowel. It is quite common after abdominal surgery. I begged a junior doctor to help me, since I was vomiting shit into a bowl. He turned away, vexed, and I staggered back to bed.

My journalistic instincts saved me. The next time I vomited into the bowl I took it to the nurses’ station. I was swollen and gassy, and it seemed to take an age to get there. I put the bowl down and said something like: “Is this normal?” I was taken to a high-dependency ward, my stomach was syringed, and I was given a drip, and that saved my life. It didn’t occur to me to complain. I had taken too much morphine during labour — I am a recovering addict and I lied to a midwife to get morphine, about which I am profoundly ashamed — and so it was partially my fault. And I had a live baby.

I think I also had PTSD from the experience, and that is why I didn’t have another child. I don’t think they are allowed to tell you that to have a first child at 40, when obese, is dangerous. It is all dangerous, particularly for black women, who are four times more likely to die during pregnancy in the UK than white women. None of it is laughable unless you yearn for denial.

Kay himself is in denial. In his memoir, when a baby dies, he “went for six months without laughing”. But he plays it for laughs. He became a comic when he left medicine, shortly after this baby died. “When cornered,” he writes, “I would reach for my red nose and clown horn and bring put my anecdotes about objects in anuses and patients, ‘saying the funniest things’”. This passage comes at the end of the memoir, and it is a fragment of the book he should have written.

But he can’t write that book because it would be too truthful, and it is not the book people wish to read. Instead, we have his disgust, for instance, for old women. He hates the urogynaecology clinic: “a bunch of nans” — defined, with the use of “nan”, by their child-bearing — “with pelvic floors like quicksand and their uteri stalactite-ing into their thermals”. No matter their predicament, the misery is all his: “And then a patient sneezes, you have to get a mop and bucket.”

We have his disgust for the sex worker who has a Fireman Sam sponge trapped inside her. She needs to repress her menstruation so she can have more clients, and more money. (She does not know the contraceptive pill will do this for her. The insertion of the Fireman Sam Sponge was pitiful, not laughable.) Stolen or not — I have no idea how Kay approaches patient confidentiality — I would love to read her story. Instead, we read of her smell: “I imagine every bunch of flowers in the hospital suddenly wilted.” “Christ knows,” he adds, “how she explained the change in [Fireman Sam’s] appearance to her children.” It is vexing too that the sponge, “had been schnitzel-ed flat by her clients’ pummellings”.

Women are reduced, consciously or not, to a series of stinking and repulsive orifices with imbeciles attached to them. The misogyny — the dehumanisation I am sure kills women — is relentless. At one clinic the women are, “crotchety as a pen of wet hens…they grunt their way through their appointments”. He is similarly glib about the woman who sleeps with three men in one night and asks if, under these circumstances, the morning after pill will still work.

Another sex-worker, a stripper he meets at a stag night, has “Trichomonas Vaginalis…the tell-tale green discharge residue on the stripper’s vulva”. A woman with an open abdomen is “a horrendous Teletubby”. Another has a “grossly swollen vulva from a mistletoe contact allergy”. A woman was admitted who placed a Kinder Egg containing an engagement ring for her lover inside her, and it got stuck. It is, for Kay, “unexpected, disgusting”. It was a mistake, and it wasn’t supposed to be public. It wasn’t public, until she had the misfortune to meet Adam Kay.

He mocks, too, women who seek to control their terror in their own ways: the woman who tries to eat her placenta but eats instead her blood clots by mistake; the woman who arrives with a “nine-page birth plan, in full colour and laminated”. I think of why she did this, and how she felt when she did — I remember folding my unborn son’s clothing again and again, like a charm — but Kay has no time for this.

One anecdote exposes the depth of his self-deception. He sees a teenage girl who tried to trim her labia, because she thinks it is too big. Kay is horrified: “How long,” he asks, “until we are seeing girls stapling their vaginas tighter?” The answer is a year. His colleague meets a woman who superglued her vagina on her lover’s insistence, to make it tighter. Yet what woman reading his memoir could feel anything but horror for her own body, its secretions and its magic?

Kay, whose father was a doctor, regards medicine with Oedipal rage. I don’t think he ever wanted to do it. He has valuable testimony on the plight of junior doctors, and the chaos of parts of the NHS, but he confuses righteous anger with his own pain and, in doing so, makes a bonfire of the privacy and dignity of his patients. Saving their lives is only his permission to despise them. He is utterly oblivious to the intensity of female shame; in his metier and his chronic self-absorption, he courts it, but he still thinks himself decent. When he says, “this is going to hurt”, he is not speaking of his patient, but of himself.

You can’t expiate your pain at the expense of women at their most vulnerable. There is too much disgust with women’s bodies in the wider culture. Not maidens, of course (like babies, they are perfect) but women doing what their bodies are supposed to do. But even when Kay’s paper women do this — and they do nothing but this, with blood and screams — they do not feel real, because in his writing they do not have souls.

Even the invented female character for the TV show — a fascinating young woman, bright and diligent — is diminished, quite literally, by her appearance in his story. She dies and, if you consider his genre, it does make sense. Some women are turned into constituent body parts. But if you are important enough, you might make to corpse.


Tanya Gold is a freelance journalist.

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hayden eastwood
hayden eastwood
2 years ago

I don’t think you’re being entirely fair Tanya. My partner is an NHS paediatrician and she herself has said that people often deal with trauma on the ward with humour that is grotesque and macabre and which is usually only funny to those who are themselves in the trenches.
One also develops a kind of detachment, I think, from the human body in order to be objective in treating it. Jokes and what would appear to be casual and unkind references to peoples’ anatomy, are the result of a professional distance.
Much as chefs have sworn like sailors in the kitchens I have worked in, so health workers do the same, under more difficult and high-stakes situations.
My partner still cries when she comes home after failing to have saved a child who falls out of a window and smashes his skull on the pavement. Quite apart from dealing with the trauma of watching children die on her watch, she must also then deal with the trauma of telling the parents that their children are dead or, worse, about to be.
Every week is a story like this, quite often with rare cancers, or horrific genetic diseases that have no cure.
The least we can grant her, and people like her, who are overworked and underpaid, is the space to cope with their traumas in a way that works for them, without projecting our requirement that they deal with such traumas in ways that suit our middle class sensibilities.

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Tom Lewis
Tom Lewis
2 years ago

“ My partner is an NHS paediatrician and she herself has said that people often deal with trauma on the ward with humour that is grotesque and macabre and which is usually only funny to those who are themselves in the trenches.
One also develops a kind of detachment, I think, from the human body in order to be objective in treating it. Jokes and what would appear to be casual and unkind references to peoples’ anatomy, are the result of a professional distance.”
I wonder if certain police officers, from Charing Cross, would agree with that statement !

My partner still cries when she comes home”
I wonder if men, as a general rule, are better able to be detached than women when it comes to dealing with trauma ?
“The least we can grant her, and people like her, who are underpaid”
Are they really ? All the NHS staff, of my acquaintance, are, what I would consider, well paid, a few, overpaid, for their ability and competence (even if, as people, I personally like them, or their partners). I’m also not entirely sure how paying someone more money would resolve their trauma or stress ? More staff, paid slightly less, might be a better solution, along with ‘bonuses’ (like flying pay, for aircrew, in the services) that targets and rewards individuals for having to cope with stressful, full on, high drama, work environments ? The NHS, I can well understand, is an organisation that undervalues the staff that work for it (or even the people who pay for and use it), but I think that, ultimately, that has little to do with money, even in an organisation that ‘claims’ to care and share. (All informed by having spent several years in a big organisation, of mostly semi-incompetent individuals, the Army. I know well how they can take in, chew up and spit out some, who are the brightest and best, even while saying how much they care and value).

SULPICIA LEPIDINA
SULPICIA LEPIDINA
2 years ago
Reply to  Tom Lewis

Does this account for the British Army’s somewhat lacklustre performance in both Iraq and Afghanistan?

Plus its appalling failure to provide any ‘heavyweight’* to stand up for the late former Corporal Major Hutchins,** of the Life Guards, during his scandalous prosecution by the authorities in Northern Ireland?

(* Retired Two Star General or above.)
(** An octogenarian veteran, dragged from Plymouth to Belfast last October who then contracts COVID & dies, surprise surprise!)

MJ Reid
MJ Reid
2 years ago
Reply to  Tom Lewis

NHS staff are better paid than most other support professions. It is a place where you get a job for life…If you work there and then think it okay to write a book about your patients, I really think you should be huckled and charged with breach of confidentiality. Any money earned should go to women’s shelters so they can educate these women about keeping themselves safe.

Deborah B
Deborah B
2 years ago

This response is well said, however, having read the book I was disgusted by Adam Kay’s attitudes to his patients and his overweening sense of his own self righteousness. This man was never doctor material. He admits he only applied because medicine was already in his family. He didn’t think it through at all. Unprepared for the sacrifices of the training, he whinges constantly about missing parties and other booze ups. His narrative about his patients is often self pitying rather than humorous. And all the time, in the book, he blames the NHS, the consultants, the nurses, the managers, the patients … A memoir without merit. Shame the publishing industry made it public.

Christopher Barclay
Christopher Barclay
2 years ago
Reply to  Deborah B

He also took the place in medical school of someone who was desperate to be a doctor.

Gayle Rosenthal
Gayle Rosenthal
9 months ago
Reply to  Deborah B

Deborah B …. were you disgusted by Adam Kay’s attitudes or by the patients themselves ? If his patients are anything like Tanya Gold, I would re-examine this aspect of your criticism of Dr. Kay. I confess that I have not read his paper, however, this is always a valid question in any narration. Is it accurate ? Is it factual ? Is it credible ? If so, then the problem is not Dr. Kay’s attitude toward his patients.

Karl Francis
Karl Francis
2 years ago

Superb reply. I have little respect for Tanya Gold or her writing.

Antony Hirst
Antony Hirst
2 years ago

And if the Police joke about the shit they have to deal with…everybody loses their shit and the boss loses her job.

Dustin Needle
Dustin Needle
2 years ago

So the NHS is misognistic and, we learn today, institutionally racist. How ridiculous do things have to get before we are told to get out onto our doorsteps and boo loudly?

MJ Reid
MJ Reid
2 years ago

Yes, dark humour exists in all professions where people work with other people. But it usually stays there. In the workplace. It is not written in a book then published. If these stories are true, then the women and their supporters will be able to identify them/selves. If as a doctor you cannot keep a patient’s confidentiality, you are in the wrong job. Maybe try binman or scavvy, no confidentiality issues there.

Women deserve more empathy when they find themselves in these horrific states, not to become something to be laughed at. If we had proper sex education in schools, then some of these things, wouldn’t happen.

There is no excuse…

Terence Fitch
Terence Fitch
2 years ago

What a naive article. Journos eh? Every doctor should be a paragon of unflappability and every medic should be a completely balanced individual with endless stores of empathy and goodwill? Absurd. I don’t watch TV much but I read the book and his articles in the Graun. I thought it was laced through with tenderness and poignant grief at times. Of course he has a masculine irony and uses dark humour to cope. Something the female journalist here struggles with. Then again, the stress of being a laptoperati with those awful deadlines compared to being sleepless for days as a medic. Simply awful.

MJ Reid
MJ Reid
2 years ago
Reply to  Terence Fitch

Typical male response. The woman must be wrong. I started reading it and put it away. It is not well written. There is little if any humour in it. And really, I don’t think author or comedian will be his second job. Maybe skavvy as there is no responsibility and lots of dark humour about what people put in their bins.

Samir Iker
Samir Iker
2 years ago
Reply to  MJ Reid

“Typical male response. The woman must be wrong”
You must never have had conversations with married women about their husbands

Christine Hankinson
Christine Hankinson
2 years ago

Gay men who are repulsed by women’s bodies yet choose to specialise in obstetrics and gynaecology are very worrying indeed .. especially to women.

Samir Iker
Samir Iker
2 years ago

Invariably, I have seen male bosses tend to be much nicer to inexperienced young female grads compared to senior “feminist” ladies.

The only exception was a gay boss who was utterly nasty to his largely female team.

Claire D
Claire D
2 years ago

This piece is a real emotional mix up; part review, part rant, part childbirth horror story, part confession.
A reminder : Misogyny is “an irrational hatred of women”, NOT a rational response of dismay at some of the crazy things women do to their bodies and having to clear up the ensuing mess.
If I were Tanya I would get professional help sorting some of this stuff out; https://www.bacp.co.uk

William Shaw
William Shaw
2 years ago
Reply to  Claire D

Mostly rant I think, with a measure of self pity and resentment of the opposite sex thrown in for good measure.

Karl Francis
Karl Francis
2 years ago
Reply to  Claire D

Thankyou Claire.

Samir Iker
Samir Iker
2 years ago
Reply to  Claire D

The problem with “misogyny ” is that by assuming hatred of women as a factor, you forego the more obvious problem of a broken system that fails everyone regardless of gender, age, race.

Just like blaming racism for a few black people dying at the hands of the police in the US covers up unpleasant facts about crime and police overreaction that applies in general across that country.

Arlene Wilcox
Arlene Wilcox
1 year ago
Reply to  Samir Iker

“a few Black people” Wow!!!
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James Joyce
James Joyce
2 years ago

I will limit my comments to the NHS. Is the NHS really beloved by Brits, and if so, why?
I tend to believe that the UK is not a country (4 countries? 3.5 countries?) but a failed NHS masquerading as a country. The NHS seems utterly incapable of meeting the needs of the British population–despite poaching many doctors and nurses from the Third World (is this really a good thing?)–and it seems to only be getting worse.
My European friends who have lived in the UK respond with horror and roll their eyes at the mention of the NHS, and my British friends also relate horror stories.
Perhaps the NHS is a tragedy. But this show is a comedy, right?

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SULPICIA LEPIDINA
2 years ago
Reply to  James Joyce

The NHS is such national disaster that the only recourse is to laugh.
That we could have ‘created’ such a scandalous behemoth is almost beyond belief, but the UK does have a starred double first in National Delusion Studies.

Philip L
Philip L
2 years ago
Reply to  James Joyce

NHS articles attract a great deal of knee jerk sentimentality as you will have seen. But if Guardian readers put aside the fact it is a place of both grief and compassion and wonderful nurses so on, it is also an objective moneypit allocated £176.5bn in the 2021 budget alone – of which getting on for half is payroll. Its problems will sadly never be properly addressed because (repeat uplifting chorus)

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SULPICIA LEPIDINA
2 years ago
Reply to  Philip L

The same used to be about Mother Church and the Monasteries, until Thomas Cromwell & Co turned up.*

(* From 1536 onwards.)

William Shaw
William Shaw
2 years ago
Reply to  James Joyce

I worked for several years in the US. Many of the doctors there were also from overseas.
My own experience with the NHS was very good. Slightly better in the US but only because my job gave me excellent health insurance. Never paid a penny in the UK. The cost in the US was astronomical and many people couldn’t afford what I received.

James Joyce
James Joyce
2 years ago
Reply to  William Shaw

I will not defend the US health-care industrial complex. It is beyond wasteful, corrupt, morally bankrupt–with worse results than most European countries. “Health care” take around 17% of the GDP, heading toward 20%. A massive, massive amount is wasted and/or bad for patients, but good for doctors/hospitals.
When you say many doctors were from overseas, what I think you meant to say was that many “doctors” were from countries that are…..well, Trump had a name for those countries. No normal European doctor wants to come to the US–would be a bad trade. Yes, they are paid more–they definitely don’t deserve it, but they are–although the lifestyle is much worse, even for doctors.
They are in the US, almost without exception, a corrupt bunch of Churlish Unhinged Negative Twats.

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William Shaw
William Shaw
2 years ago
Reply to  James Joyce

To be clear, my personal healthcare experience in the US was excellent, no complaints whatsoever… but only because I could afford it and my job paid for most of it. Under such circumstances the US is definitely the right place to get sick.
About half of the doctors I encountered were from overseas: Pakistan, India, Korea, Philippines and Canada.

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SULPICIA LEPIDINA
2 years ago
Reply to  James Joyce

Or as Caesar would have said: “cunnus”.

Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
2 years ago
Reply to  James Joyce

Yes, lots of doctors in the US are from overseas. My son, who collapsed in London with a heart mutation and nearly died, was first diagnosed in the U.K. with this terrible disease. But we read of the excellent world beating facilities at Johns Hopkins and paid ourselves to have him treated there. He now happens to live and work in the US since that time, and continues having check ups at JH. Recently he had a 6 hour heart muscle operation by an Indian surgeon, who happened to have worked in the U.K.‘s NHS. I asked him why he left for the US, he smiled and said : No other country in the world has the research money and facilities, you have available in the US. He already invented (underwritten by wealthy donors) several life saving procedures for heart attack patients. So if I hear people bad mouthing the US health care, I get quite upset. The whole world profits from the wonderful research facilities and talents the US attracts. The research and medical inventions eventually get exported to other countries as our English cardiologist also confirmed.

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Jane Stephen
Jane Stephen
1 year ago

As long as you have comprehensive health insurance or ample means the US health system is outstanding. The day the insurer stops paying or your funds run out you’re on you’re own. Or does that not bother you at all?

Diane Tasker
Diane Tasker
2 years ago
Reply to  William Shaw

Lucky you! If you live in the major conurbations in the UK it’s the NHS that’s lauded by the politicians. Anywhere else, it’s crumbling and more and more people are self funding to survive – literally!

Ian Stewart
Ian Stewart
2 years ago
Reply to  James Joyce

I’m no fan of state organisations such as the NHS but for the purposes of balance, I’d say my wife, who has a number of serious illnesses that would have resulted in her death in other countries, especially the USA where we couldn’t have paid for her treatments, has benefitted greatly from its existence. She’s likely to die in the next 10 years, but that’s 40 more years than she could have expected elsewhere, and she has contributed to society and our family in the meantime. So hopefully it’s been a sound investment.

Adam Bacon
Adam Bacon
2 years ago

Why is it misogynist? If he had happened to have worked in urology, we would have heard primarily about the bizarre elements of the male genito/urological anatomy and physiology instead.

Working as a hospital doctor or nurse in an acute setting is a hard job anywhere, all the more so within the materially constrained NHS. Irrevant humour is a coping mechanism for many hospital staff, and shouldn’t be seen as a reflection of their attitude to the individuals they care for

Deborah B
Deborah B
2 years ago
Reply to  Adam Bacon

In the book, the humour doesn’t rise to irreverent unfortunately. It’s merely designed to make the reader feel sorry for the author – who happens to be an unpleasant self pitying egotist.

Graham Stull
Graham Stull
2 years ago

I remember my ex-wife, a nurse, describing one of the men on her station has “King Theoden, when still under Saruman’s spell”. Misandry? She laughed at his pain and enfeeblement, and I found myself wanting to baulk at that, in the same way this article does.
Until I remembered that she – not I – spent the night in a hospital ward, keeping people alive.
Let she who has toiled in the glasshouse cast the first stone.

Karl Francis
Karl Francis
2 years ago
Reply to  Graham Stull

Precisely.

Lee Jones
Lee Jones
2 years ago

The somewhat histrionic responses to the experiences of you, a journalist, and Kay, a writer, of the NHS, do not fit with those of myself or my family. The unexpected illness of my father, including 5 weeks in intensive care, and eventual death, my partner’s 12 years of chronic illness, and my own experience of peripatetic sport related injuries. Have been met with efficiently, competency, professionalism and most of all kindness and compassion. The desperation at the heart of grasping journalists, who wish to sensationalise and capitalise from an easy and emotive target are shameful. I think perhaps you should stick to reviewing pointless eateries, it suits your journalistic competence; invective and scorn at pointless vanities is one thing, thinking you have the gravitas to go further is a vanity to far.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
2 years ago
Reply to  Lee Jones

Is that really your takeaway from this piece? I am trying to marshal my thoughts, but surely this article is not only about the NHS. That said, by all accounts (and my own limited experience), the NHS is an inefficient, lumbering, dying beast. Just start getting people to pay something towards their treatments (not just tax) and turn this business around.

Leejon 0
Leejon 0
1 year ago

Limited! Indeed!

Alan Elgey
Alan Elgey
9 months ago
Reply to  Leejon 0

Well, not really, Leejon 0 (Lee Jones?)! Lesley’s experience mirrors that of many, including those close to me. And we can say that without denying the kindness, compassion and professionalism of many (not all) who we encounter in our treratment.
You cannot seriously think that the NHS represents the best healthcare in the best of all possible worlds. If it does, your experience is truly limited.

Jonathan Nash
Jonathan Nash
2 years ago

The NHS is a big subject, but one thing which I have noticed recently is the proliferation of posters and banners in and around hospitals proclaiming how “amazing” (the default adjective) all its employees are. This kind of puffery can’t be good for us or them.

David McDowell
David McDowell
2 years ago

Oh dear, more undiluted cultural Marxism from Unherd. I can get crud like this from the guardian you know.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
2 years ago

I’ve read the article and the comments so far – and I think really – to a large extent this reflects our mainly ‘woke’ modern culture. I don’t mean this to be a sneer, I have this as part of me as well, and being caring and considerate of others’ feelings is of course a noble thing. But we are a bit self-regarding, and self-deceiving about our true nature. It seems nasty to be mean, but it is also often extremely funny. Very few comedians manage to be funny without some degree of spite. If it isn’t mothers-in-law (back in the day), gay people etc it is Brexiteers, Tories and the like. And isn’t it rather an odd fact, that we endlessly serve up as broadcast entertainment fictional or supposedly ‘real life’ depictions of serial killers and other brutal violence, without a tenth of the condemnation that saying nasty – or even vaguely off-colour – things about various groups of people.
In summary, we are not all nice all the time, and we have a huge degree of cultural denial over this. Both Tanta Gold and Julie Bindel on UnHerd appear to be of the view that modern Britain is an unrelenting misogynist hellhole. While of course I have no experience of being a women, I do know some, and I very much doubt this, and I very much doubt that Adam Kay is a misogynist in any real sense. He worked in gynaecology, so commented, often with black humour, on what he experienced, yes of course from his relatively ‘privileged’ point of view as a doctor. No one’s real name is used, so privacy is not an issue.

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Diane Tasker
Diane Tasker
2 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Fisher

I read AK’s book and enjoyed it – black humour and all – which is the stock in trade of people who work on the front line of ‘human services’ – until I watched the BBC’s take and read the vitriol in this article which seem to be

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Anna Bramwell
Anna Bramwell
2 years ago

I couldnt help remembering the recent study showing that women with female surgeons had better outcomes than those with male surgeons.

Claire D
Claire D
2 years ago
Reply to  Anna Bramwell

If you are referring to the study recently reported on in The Times, “More women die when surgeon is a man”, I think that needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.
For starters the study was limited to Ontario in Canada, nowhere else. It was only with reference to a few types of surgery + while I’m not sure about the numbers of female surgeons in Canada, in the UK that runs at 13%, it’s unlikely to be very different, which makes it difficult to make a realistic assessment.
It also makes a mockery of all the thousands of lives saved or improved by male surgeons now and for all the decades past.

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Ian Stewart
Ian Stewart
2 years ago
Reply to  Anna Bramwell

Real females or pretend females. In the new legislation proposed for Scotland you’ll never know…..

Moira Taylor
Moira Taylor
2 years ago

I enjoyed the book and the tv series. The idea of misogyny never entered my head while appreciating the wit and pathos of both. I’m married to a doctor and our daughter is an NHS consultant. Perhaps men more than women use black humour to cope with the difficulties and pressures of the job. Adam Kay was working as an obstetrician so his humour reflected that. My daughter found the book cathartic and said it brought everything she had ever suppressed on the job to the surface – the sorrows, the pressures, the frustrations, particularly those perpetrated by administrators not understanding, or supplies not delivered, or obstructive or disruptive patients. Adam Kay has done us all a great service in his brilliant book and the BBC also in compressing his story into a series. I salute him and feel saddened that he he left the medical profession. I hope he can return.

MJ Reid
MJ Reid
2 years ago
Reply to  Moira Taylor

As some of have said, some people should not be in health… He needs to go get a job that doesn’t involve people alive or dead or animals, except those that might be dead.

P C
P C
2 years ago

I read and pay for UnHerd to support good journalism and critical thinking. This piece of unconsidered, tribal nonesense is neither. It belongs in the Guardian where handwringing Wokesters can bleat to their hearts content – and undermine real issues of mysogny (or any other inequality) with their offence taking trivial pathetic attitudes.

Happy to read articles from both the left and the right, but I won’t renew my payment if this is Wokism is what you’re going to offer, UnHerd.

When you let journalists who clearly have unresolved mental health issues/self hatred issues critique culture that relates at all to their issues, then you get an emotional one sided article workout any journalistic rigour.

I loved Adam Kay’s book, as did huge amounts of men AND Women. The type of people who can understand that finding the comedy in faceless human behaviour doesn’t demean them or mean that the writer lacks empathy. I’d take her to task further, but what’s the point, these people have such a skewed, uncritical grasp on reality that there’s no talking to them.

All that said, it’s a great portfolio piece for that Guardian interview that the writer clearly aspires to.

Sue Sims
Sue Sims
2 years ago
Reply to  P C

Tanya Gold has always been most interested in herself. It’s amusing to count the number of times the first person pronoun appears in essays that are theoretically about something far removed from her experience.

Karl Francis
Karl Francis
2 years ago
Reply to  Sue Sims

Well said, she’s a narcissist.

MJ Reid
MJ Reid
2 years ago
Reply to  P C

As do you… People, including women, are allowed their opinion to be published and for others to be allowed to read it. Comment if you will, but remember she has got off her backside to write a piece whereas you only criticise.

G A
G A
2 years ago

The NHS was amazing when it came to the surgery required to save both my wife’s and my baby’s life. What got us into that position was total and uncaring incompetence by the NHS.

William Shaw
William Shaw
2 years ago

“I begged a junior doctor to help me, since I was vomiting shit into a bowl. He turned away, vexed, and I staggered back to bed. My journalistic instincts saved me. The next time I vomited into the bowl I took it to the nurses’ station.”
Ignored by a man but saved by the sisterhood. I can understand why you’re a feminist.

Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
2 years ago
Reply to  William Shaw

How do you know there might have been some male nurses. I think, what she experienced was quite awful.

Samir Iker
Samir Iker
2 years ago
Reply to  William Shaw

I think the relevant comparison should be junior doctor (overworked, and unprepared for the horrors of a medical ward) versus senior nurse (calm, collected, experienced)

It is funny though, if I am on a busy bus with my young daughter it’s invariably men who give her space or a seat….whereas when I go to the GP with her the female doctors are both more kind and yet firm with my child, compared to the men.

You might think men and women have different strengths, meant to complement each other.

Jason Highley
Jason Highley
2 years ago

Two Ways of Seeing a RiverBy Mark Twain
“Now when I had mastered the language of this water and had come to know every trifling feature that bordered the great river as familiarly as I knew the letters of the alphabet, I had made a valuable acquisition. But I had lost something, too. I had lost something which could never be restored to me while I lived. All the grace, the beauty, the poetry had gone out of the majestic river! I still keep in mind a certain wonderful sunset which I witnessed when steamboating was new to me. A broad expanse of the river was turned to blood; in the middle distance the red hue brightened into gold, through which a solitary log came floating, black and conspicuous; in one place a long, slanting mark lay sparkling upon the water; in another the surface was broken by boiling, tumbling rings, that were as many-tinted as an opal; where the ruddy flush was faintest, was a smooth spot that was covered with graceful circles and radiating lines, ever so delicately traced; the shore on our left was densely wooded, and the sombre shadow that fell from this forest was broken in one place by a long, ruffled trail that shone like silver; and high above the forest wall a clean-stemmed dead tree waved a single leafy bough that glowed like a flame in the unobstructed splendor that was flowing from the sun.

There were graceful curves, reflected images, woody heights, soft distances; and over the whole scene, far and near, the dissolving lights drifted steadily, enriching it, every passing moment, with new marvels of coloring.

I stood like one bewitched. I drank it in, in a speechless rapture. The world was new to me, and I had never seen anything like this at home. But as I have said, a day came when I began to cease from noting the glories and the charms which the moon and the sun and the twilight wrought upon the river’s face; another day came when I ceased altogether to note them. Then, if that sunset scene had been repeated, I should have looked upon it without rapture, and should have commented upon it, inwardly, in this fashion: “This sun means that we are going to have wind to-morrow; that floating log means that the river is rising, small thanks to it; that slanting mark on the water refers to a bluff reef which is going to kill somebody’s steamboat one of these nights, if it keeps on stretching out like that; those tumbling ‘boils’ show a dissolving bar and a changing channel there; the lines and circles in the slick water over yonder are a warning that that troublesome place is shoaling up dangerously; that silver streak in the shadow of the forest is the ‘break’ from a new snag, and he has located himself in the very best place he could have found to fish for steamboats; that tall dead tree, with a single living branch, is not going to last long, and then how is a body ever going to get through this blind place at night without the friendly old landmark?”

No, the romance and the beauty were all gone from the river. All the value any feature of it had for me now was the amount of usefulness it could furnish toward compassing the safe piloting of a steamboat. Since those days, I have pitied doctors from my heart. What does the lovely flush in a beauty’s cheek mean to a doctor but a “break” that ripples above some deadly disease? Are not all her visible charms sown thick with what are to him the signs and symbols of hidden decay? Does he ever see her beauty at all, or doesn’t he simply view her professionally, and comment upon her unwholesome condition all to himself? And doesn’t he sometimes wonder whether he has gained most or lost most by learning his trade?” (Twain 1883).

Keith Jefferson
Keith Jefferson
2 years ago

What do you want from a doctor? I want a doctor who will diagnose a problem and provide the necessary treatment – even if that means giving me some very blunt advice about my lifestyle. I don’t demand a good bedside manner or an emotional blanket, and I don’t care what he / she thinks about me – I just want the best medical treatment. Honestly, I would be happy with Dr Mengele treating me if he was giving me the best treatment.  Demanding that the doctors treating us are morally and ideologically pure (of course, depending on our own definition of moral purity) is just pure wokeness. If Adam Kay is a misogynist or anythingelseist but provides the best medical care that he can within the constraints of the NHS, then so what?

Luke I
Luke I
2 years ago

What an insular and narcissistic article. Making a strawman of Kay to attack, and fantasising about “journo instincts” with a post-op complication.

Turns out, if your job sees you specialising in womens’ orifices, you will have to talk about them a lot! These women don’t present to hospital to be “judged” and to be “saved”, they have a medical problem with their orifices that requires a specialist input.

Melanie Mabey
Melanie Mabey
2 years ago

Thanks for this review, I was going to get the book or horror of horrors actually watch the BBC for the first time in 15 years, because a chap I know recommended it and found it hillarious. Your descriptions made me feel quite sick (and I was a genito-urinary staff nurse in theatres) but for warned is for-armed and I shall give it ‘a wide berth’ so thanks again.

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Gayle Rosenthal
Gayle Rosenthal
9 months ago

Why would a gay man go into obstetrics ?

Gayle Rosenthal
Gayle Rosenthal
9 months ago

Why would a gay man go into obstetrics ?

Annette Lawson
Annette Lawson
2 years ago

I thought this was a helpful and alarming and insightful essay. I fear it is probably true and how vile this approach of a doctor to his vulnerable patients (because they have horrible things wrong with them) this is. Close to making ‘the other’ into something you can really hurt. First step to the worst crimes we know have happened and still are happening.

Victoria Cooper
Victoria Cooper
2 years ago

That’s funny, I read the book and didn’t come away thinking it the work of a raging misogynist. My anxiety about hospitals went up but to me the work was the result of the man’s stress. He may well have taken the same tone in any other department he might have worked in. His sensitivity made him unsuitable for the job he was in, a more down to earth character would have been preferable. Broken bodies, disease, ignorance and old age are not the stuff of poetry and we are all at times disgusted by our own bodies and functions.

John Riordan
John Riordan
2 years ago

“Its gaze is so masculine the TV show had to invent a leading female character out of nothing, for balance.”

But at the expense of accuracy, is the unadmitted admission.

Why not just make the TV series faithfully to the book, and then criticise that? Why not treat Kay’s perspective as one worth presenting honestly, and if it offends and seems extreme, simply criticise it?

Our media has no problem at all presenting and dramatising a great many other perspectives that are hopelessly biased (and in many cases outright deluisional) without the need to include a “balancing” fiction, so this critique is really nothing more than a poor attempt at defending the inbuilt bias of the Establishment status quo.

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Gayle Rosenthal
Gayle Rosenthal
9 months ago
Reply to  John Riordan

How can a gay may have such a “masculine gaze” ??? Kay neither represents masculinity, nor does Tanya Gold represent “feminism”. One just has to wonder why a gay may goes into obstetrics.

Graeme Laws
Graeme Laws
9 months ago

More wild generalisations about the NHS. From very personal experience I know that the best is wonderful, the worst dreadful. If only we could figure out how to bring the rest closer to the best.

Robert Eagle
Robert Eagle
2 years ago

Small point: l***a is plural (Latin, sorry) so the correct pronoun is they not it

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Gayle Rosenthal
Gayle Rosenthal
9 months ago

Tanya, the self-absorbed, self-destructive obese, ex-addict chastising a doctor whose job it is to help women, and has his mind blown by these self-destructive “brats and twats” ….. it fits together quite nicely …. along with the enabling NHS.
Dr. Kay is only partly responsible for outcomes. He’s responsible for getting the babies safely into the world outside of the womb. I’ve had 4 live vaginal births and I agree that “birth plans” are pretty laughable. I also don’t buy it that “disgust with women’s bodies” is even remotely a part of any problem, or that there is even such a phenomenon. Tanya owns her own shame. What has she accomplished in life ? Certainly she didn’t work to get a medical degree. It’s not particularly difficult to get pregnant for most women. Given her innate ability to attribute such bad intentions – “Oedipal rage” ???? …. I question whether she will be a very good mother.
My revulsion at this piece of “journalism” leaves me wondering why it would even be published. To bring home the awful state of female consciousness and the stark reality that even the most altruistic of professions is no longer worth the effort ?

Gayle Rosenthal
Gayle Rosenthal
9 months ago

Tanya, the self-absorbed, self-destructive obese, ex-addict chastising a doctor whose job it is to help women, and has his mind blown by these self-destructive “brats and twats” ….. it fits together quite nicely …. along with the enabling NHS.
Dr. Kay is only partly responsible for outcomes. He’s responsible for getting the babies safely into the world outside of the womb. I’ve had 4 live vaginal births and I agree that “birth plans” are pretty laughable. I also don’t buy it that “disgust with women’s bodies” is even remotely a part of any problem, or that there is even such a phenomenon. Tanya owns her own shame. What has she accomplished in life ? Certainly she didn’t work to get a medical degree. It’s not particularly difficult to get pregnant for most women. Given her innate ability to attribute such bad intentions – “Oedipal rage” ???? …. I question whether she will be a very good mother.
My revulsion at this piece of “journalism” leaves me wondering why it would even be published. To bring home the awful state of female consciousness and the stark reality that even the most altruistic of professions is no longer worth the effort ?