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Has the Great Barrington Declaration been vindicated? Lockdowns failed to serve the collective good

The Mask Task Force: the solution has been hiding in plain sight (Kiran Ridley/Getty Images)

The Mask Task Force: the solution has been hiding in plain sight (Kiran Ridley/Getty Images)


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January 10, 2022   8 mins
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January 10, 2022   8 mins

Has the Left finally woken up to the devastating costs of implementing lockdowns? In its first edition of 2022, the Observer carried a surprisingly balanced interview with Professor Mark Woolhouse, a member of Sage whose new book — The Year the World Went Mad — argues that long lockdowns promoted more harm than good and failed to protect the vulnerable. Its favourable reception appears to herald a new direction in the critique of Covid measures and policies on the Left; for the first time, the question of what really represented the collective good in the Covid debate has been put on the table by a mainstream left-liberal publication.

This is certainly a new departure. As we have previously noted on UnHerd, the Left has strongly supported restrictive measures in the fight against the pandemic.

It argued that these restrictions, which clearly infringe on individual freedoms and rights, were nonetheless justified in the name of “the collective good” and “the collective right to life”. This allowed them to pre-empt any criticism of the new Covid consensus: if you’re against any of these measures, you’re against the collective interest. And so thinkers like us, who have always criticised neoliberal individualism and argued in favour of progressive state intervention, suddenly found ourselves accused of being libertarians or outright “Right-wingers”, just for taking a critical stance of governments’ response to the pandemic.

Indeed, it would appear that for many on the Left today, anything can be justified in the name of the “collective good”. It’s easy to see why Right-wing critics view this uncritical invoking of collective benefits as proof of the Left’s inclination towards authoritarian or “Stalinist” control. While such caricatural definitions are easy to laugh off, as leftists we can’t deny that there is something disturbing about the lack of critical commentary from the Left on how to reconcile the need for collective action with the importance of individual rights and freedoms in the response to Covid.

After all, the Left has historically championed civil rights and freedoms in society which are associated with individual liberties: the right to protest, the right to work, the right to sexual independence and freedom. Expanding the freedoms of men and women — while emphasising that this can only be achieved through collective action — has always been a central tenet of leftist, even socialist-democratic, ideology. So clearly something more complex than “default authoritarianism” is at work in the juxtaposition of the current Covid crisis and the Left’s broad response towards civil and individual liberties.

Part of it has to do, we believe, with the Left’s criticism of the rise of desocialised individualism. The growing emphasis in economic and political thought on personal autonomy and the individual’s responsibility for their own fate, which has accompanied the rolling back of welfarism, has radicalised the ideological construction of the individual. We can see this in the renewed popularity of a figure such as Ayn Rand, with her message of enlightened egoism as the basis of civilised life. However, criticising modern individualism is one thing; laughing off the very idea that individual rights and freedoms matter is another, as is arguing that anything goes in the pursuit of “saving lives” and the “collective good”.

All of which has meant that, until the Observer’s interview with Mark Woolhouse, there has been painfully little critical analysis from the mainstream Left as to whether the raft of restrictive Covid measures we have seen over the past two years have indeed served the collective good — or saved lives for that matter. By definition, for something to be considered in the collective interest of a society, it has to be in the interest of at least a significant majority of its members. However, it’s hard to see how lockdowns (and other subsequent measures) meet this criterion.

Their psychological, social and economic impact might have been justified from a collective-interest and life-saving standpoint if Covid represented an equal threat to all citizens. Yet soon into the pandemic, it became clear that Covid-19 was almost exclusively a threat to the elderly (60+): in the last quarter of 2020, the mean age of those dying both with and of Covid-19 in the UK was 82.4, while by early 2020 the Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) — the risk of actually dying if you catch Covid — in people under 60 was already known to be exceptionally low: 0.5 per cent or less. A paper written late in 2020 for the WHO by professor John Ioannidis of Stanford University, one of the world’s foremost epidemiologists, then estimated that the IFR for those under 70 was even lower: 0.05%. As Woolhouse points out in his interview “people over 75 are an astonishing 10,000 times more at risk than those who are under 15”.

Moreover, given the impacts on other aspects of medical care, the preservation (or prolonging) of life of the elderly was certainly being achieved at the expense of the life expectancies of younger sectors of the population — to say nothing of the catastrophic impacts in the Global South. This has indeed been confirmed by evidence which shows that excess deaths in younger age groups rose sharply in 2021, with very little of this attributable to Covid mortality.

If anything, Covid restrictions should have been framed in terms of solidarity: as measures which implied the overwhelming majority of the collective, which risked little or nothing from Covid, paying a price, and a heavy one at that, in order to protect, in theory at least, a minority (in Western countries people aged 60 or older represent on average around 25% of the population). Acknowledging this from the start would have avoided much loss of trust in public institutions down the road, and would have allowed for a rational discussion around important questions of intergenerational equity, proportionality and the balancing of rights and interests.

A possible counter-argument is that avoiding healthcare systems being overrun with Covid patients, regardless of their age, was in the interests of everyone. This might be true from a purely theoretical standpoint. However, both arguments hinge on the assumption that lockdowns were actually useful in reducing hospitalisations and deaths. But there’s hardly any evidence that this has been the case.

In early 2021, John Ioannidis published a paper claiming that there was no practical difference in epidemiological terms between countries that had locked down and those that hadn’t. Several other studies have appeared since then that confirm Ioannidis’s initial findings: see, for example, here, here and here. Indeed, some of the countries that locked down the hardest are also those with the highest mortality figures and excess death rate. Peru is an obvious example, while Sweden’s excess mortality is below the European average for 2020.

Meanwhile in the US, the end of 2021 confirmed the reality that lockdown strategies had little or no impact on Covid mortality. The two neighbouring states of Michigan and Wisconsin followed very different Covid policies, with Michigan favouring severe restrictions while Wisconsin lifted them much earlier; yet at the start of this month, Michigan’s Covid mortality rate was far higher than Wisconsin’s, at 2,906 deaths per million compared to 1,919 per million in Wisconsin. Another stark example comes from comparing two other neighbouring states: North and South Dakota. South Dakota infamously imposed no Covid restrictions, while there were mask mandates in North Dakota during the second wave in Winter 2020/2021: yet as of January 1st 2022, the two states’ death rates are very similar, at 2,810 per million (South Dakota) and 2,640 (North Dakota).

Another case that is less talked about is that of Italy. Over the course of the past two years, Italy has implemented some of the strictest and longest lockdowns in the world (indeed, it is the country that “invented” the concept of national lockdown), topping every other Western country in terms of average stringency of anti-Covid measures. Yet Italy is also one of the countries with the highest mortality rate per capita — well above the United Kingdom, Spain, France, Germany, Sweden and several other countries that adopted much less restrictive measures. And there’s evidence that this isn’t despite the lockdowns but, most likely, because of them.

As Piero Stanig and Gianmarco Daniele, two professors at Bocconi University, explain in their book Fallimento lockdown (“Lockdown Failure”), the worst possible thing you can do when dealing with a highly infectious disease that spreads almost exclusively indoors and targets the elderly is to lock old people up inside their homes with other family members, and ban citizens from spending time in arguably the safest place of all: outdoors. In other words, even from the narrow perspective of saving lives, not only were lockdowns not in the collective interest of society, they weren’t even in the interest of those whose lives were actually at risk.

Such an outcome was easily predictable. Indeed, the WHO’s 2019 report on pandemic preparedness states that the quarantine of exposed individuals — let alone of the entire population — “is not recommended because there is no obvious rationale for this measure”.

The grotesquery of the global responses becomes even more apparent when we take into account the fact that while governments went out of their way to keep healthy people locked in, chasing runners down solitary beaches or checking shopping trolleys to make sure people were only buying essentials, they all but abandoned those most vulnerable: nursing home residents. According to a recent Collateral Global study, Covid deaths in nursing homes amount on average to a staggering 40% of all Covid deaths in Western countries, despite representing less than 1% of the population. In some countries (Belgium, France, the Netherlands, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, the UK and the US), more than 5% of all care home residents were killed.

In view of this, it seems obvious that the focused protection approach championed by the Great Barrington Declaration (GBD) — based on “allow[ing] those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk” — was the right course of action. It would have avoided inflicting needless pain on workers, women and children through repeated lockdowns, while arguably saving countless lives, by focusing first and foremost on the elderly and especially on nursing homes.

Naturally, the way in which this worked would have been very different in different settings. While in richer countries the resources and infrastructure were certainly available to direct policy in this way, in poorer countries with high Covid mortality and weak healthcare systems — such as Latin America, India and South Africa — the capacity of governments to offer focused protection was limited. Nevertheless, funds could have been used for this purpose, rather than to fund schemes such as contact tracing, which the WHO had specifically disbarred in all circumstances as a pandemic response in its aforementioned 2019 report.

Instead, countries such as Argentina, Colombia, Peru and South Africa have faced the catastrophe of both severe Covid restrictions and high Covid mortality. What has followed is the destruction of the livelihoods and access to food of tens of millions of citizens; a recent report showed that after almost two years, Covid restrictions have completely shattered the world’s informal economies, with 40% of domestic workers, street vendors and waste pickers still earning less than 75% of their pre-Covid earnings.

And yet as we enter 2022, our openness to reassessing the paths not taken remains constrained. Not only has there been no acknowledgment of the missed opportunity of focused protection at the institutional level — and no apology to the authors of the statement, victims of a vicious smearing campaign — but even now the GBD is dismissed by academics and epidemiologists such as Woolhouse, even though the focused protection policy he advocates is drawn from it.

Meanwhile, throughout the past year, governments have actually upped the ante, coming up with even more invasive, oppressive and discriminatory measures — all in the name of public health and the collective interest. Yet surely the past two years have revealed the dangers of assuming that a “collective response” to the pandemic requires lockdown measures. Many other “collective responses” — such as focused protection and the GBD’s suggestions of free deliveries of groceries to the elderly and vulnerable, and frequent rapid testing of care home staff and visitors — would likely have been more effective.

It is time for the Left to look reality in the face and take stock of the fact that the prevailing Covid response of most Western governments has been an abysmal failure on all fronts —not least that of “saving lives”. An alternative approach is desperately needed. Fortunately, and tragically, it’s been hiding in plain sight all this time.


Thomas Fazi is an UnHerd columnist and translator. His latest book is The Covid Consensus, co-authored with Toby Green.

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J Bryant
J Bryant
2 years ago

This is a very interesting article that, for me, raises more questions than it answers.
The main question, for me, is why The Observer, and perhaps other left-leaning publications, now questions the effectiveness of the government’s covid response measures? It’s surely not out of a dedication to the truth otherwise the recent Observer article would have been published at least a year ago. What is the agenda of the Observer’s editors at this time? The left has used the pandemic to its benefit for two years, so why the shift in its view of covid restrictions?
The authors note the left’s historical championing of individual liberties and how that conflicts with the failed, restrictive measures of the pandemic. But that was mostly the old style center-left. I would suggest the people running The Observer, The Guardian, The NYT are not the old left but the hard, progressive left whose entire agenda is imposition of an unpopular set of values on the general population. How does the Observer article further that goal?
Or maybe the Observer’s editors sense a change in public opinion and they want to ride its coat tails. Number of clicks per day is the bottom line at all news outlets, after all.

J Hop
J Hop
2 years ago
Reply to  J Bryant

I think it’s that simple, that the facts are coming out and its not looking good for the elite, so they have to shift now. Subtle at first, then shout that they never were lockdowners anyway. You’ll never see anyone in the medical field champion lobotomy today, but at one time awards were given for it and anyone against it was “anti-science”.
I imagine when some of the nastier side effects of these vaccines are finally exposed to the light of day they will be saying, “Hey, we ALWAYS told you these were experimental gene therapies, totally up to your own discretion to take!”

Andrzej Wasniewski
Andrzej Wasniewski
2 years ago
Reply to  J Hop

The facts were out on the lockdowns 14 months ago.

Norman Powers
Norman Powers
2 years ago
Reply to  J Bryant

Unclear, but in the anti-lockdown blogosphere I see an increasing number of articles claiming the tide is turning, and that even powerful people who were once vocally pro-lockdowns, pro-vaccines etc are starting to walk back their positions.
Perhaps the reality of the situation is finally catching up with them. The meltdowns over Omicron compared with the ultra-mild reality is making it clear even to those deepest into all this that COVID measures have become completely psychotic, that the “experts” are pathological liars and that blowback on this could turn into something dangerous for even the most ensconced of elites.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
2 years ago
Reply to  Norman Powers

We are on a learning curve and a lot of people are realising that you cannot trust all the so called experts. That even applies to the medical profession now but especially to the pharmaceutical industry who have made trillions on this and spoke against cures like Ivermectin etc which costs pennies. Honesty is at a premium now and if the so called experts cannot be honest what is their knowledge worth? What we need is wisdom which is the application of knowledge and there appears precious little of this around. I am 79 and got the dreaded Covid which lasted for about four days. Friends say we got it because we didn’t take the booster. I am wondering what all the fuss was about although I do understand that for some with co-morbidities it was fatal.

Last edited 2 years ago by Tony Conrad
Michael K
Michael K
2 years ago
Reply to  J Bryant

They must shift. While writing about coronavirus-related topics got them a good number of new views initially, it has become obvious to many people that the political reactions as well as the media coverage do not fit the reality any longer. Many people, myself included, als opt-out of traditional news because it basically only consists of fear-mongering and politicians making totalitarian new rules that make no sense. Reading such filth, either your pulse must rise, or you get a bad feeling in your stomach, or both. Such a visceral reaction to news is catastrophic at a point where we’ve basically left this pandemic far behind us (assuming it ever really was overly dangerous to begin with, which is debatable).
I only hope that “alternative” sources keep their audience, and the MSM goes as bankrupt as possible. They deserve it.

Pamela Booker
Pamela Booker
2 years ago
Reply to  Michael K

You’ve expressed exactly how I feel about the state of our democracy and the useless MSM.

JulieT Boddington
JulieT Boddington
2 years ago
Reply to  Pamela Booker

Exactly!

Ted Ditchburn
Ted Ditchburn
2 years ago
Reply to  Michael K

Whoever said: ‘Politicians used to sell us dreams, now they sell us nightmares’ was bang on the money.
I can sort of understand it when the currency of the debate and stats are *the number of deaths*, it’s easy to be a bit Libertarian when you (me) aren’t on National TV being battered by questions about one’s uselessness.
In a way the course of the crisis is almost like the course of every other with people enthusiastically for something and then enthusiastically against it.

For what it’s worth (and that’s not much) my tuppence worth is that Herd Immunity got such a bad press because it sounds as if people are discussing hens or cattle, and battery or intensively farmed ones at that…had we called it *community immunity* or something we could probably have got through like Sweden who, hats off to them, did stick to their guns.

Though , while their society is starting to show signs of fracture, their big advantage was maybe in not having a large minority, over represented in the media, for whom the Covid crisis has basically been viewed through the still strong lens of Remainer yearning for a marvellously competent EU, or France, showing up our pitidul efforts.
So a solid society maybe helps (Japan S Korea) in getting unpopular decisons accepted, whereas ours, and the USA’s and France, Italy, Belgium have massive, and almost equally sized fault lines running through them making any proposal likely to be seen as just another hand grenade in the identity wars.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
2 years ago
Reply to  Ted Ditchburn

Are you still saving goals Ted?

Jeff Carr
Jeff Carr
2 years ago
Reply to  J Bryant

Is this a precursor to the Progressive Left saying it is all the fault of the Johnson Government? It should be remembered that the July 21 unlock and the light touch in England over Christmas and New Year has been condemned by many of the elite including SAGE modellers ans ‘Independent’ SAGE.
It may be time to start collecting the tweets and articles for future reference.

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Colin Elliott
Colin Elliott
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Carr

I find the name ‘independent SAGE’ very amusing because of its irony.

Michael O'Donnell
Michael O'Donnell
2 years ago
Reply to  Colin Elliott

Maybe they named themselves after the newspaper?

Ted Ditchburn
Ted Ditchburn
2 years ago

That doesn’t exist any more…it’s a blog site.

Michael O'Donnell
Michael O'Donnell
2 years ago
Reply to  Ted Ditchburn

A reincarnation then?

Katharine Eyre
Katharine Eyre
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Carr

The only arguments the Progressive Left have consist solely of: “X happened…it’s the Tories’ fault”.
If this turn in the tide does happen, then it is going to be very damaging.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
2 years ago
Reply to  Katharine Eyre

Trouble is that some tory MP’s are part of the left.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Carr

I think Boris has commendably been moderate after the first awful lockdown but none of us really knew what was happening then and so the fear mongers gave their version which led to fear and stampeding for vaccines. Lets face it our media such as BBC, Independent, Observer, Twitter, Facebook etc etc. have shown a very dangerous side of their leftwing solutions to the point of cancelling other opinions. I predict that they will now go full throttle on global warming.

Warren T
Warren T
2 years ago
Reply to  J Bryant

What’s worse is that all the online articles will be “revised”, in due time, so that in the years to come, no one will be able to claim they ever supported lockdowns.

Colin Elliott
Colin Elliott
2 years ago
Reply to  Warren T

Selective quotes are a very useful tool, or more accurately, weapon, wielded as it usually is by a narrow spectrum of the population, the media.

jim peden
jim peden
2 years ago
Reply to  Warren T

The wayback machine http://web.archive.org/ was designed for just this kind of thing and has been accumulating webpages for the past 25 years. Diligent investigators can find out what they said, and then what they said they said. I’m hoping for a good show.

Warren T
Warren T
2 years ago
Reply to  jim peden

Thank you for that!

Ted Ditchburn
Ted Ditchburn
2 years ago
Reply to  jim peden

Just mentioned these archiving sites, but you beat me to it…they do a very important job

Ted Ditchburn
Ted Ditchburn
2 years ago
Reply to  Warren T

*Not wrong for long* as TV people used to boast to print reporters entombed by the ink and in the physical reality of the newspaper.

There are some sites that do a good job archiving things though and I think they’ll be able to monetise more easily in years to come.

chuckpezeshki
chuckpezeshki
2 years ago
Reply to  J Bryant

We really need some new models — I work on understanding information flows in society, and how they create thinking. The pandemic response was directly keyed to Elite Risk Minimization — the elites were happy to lock up everyone else, as long as a minimum showed up at their doors with groceries and iPhone headsets. Here is more profound explanation. https://empathy.guru/2021/08/22/elite-risk-minimization-and-covid-empathy-in-the-time-of-coronavirus-ix/
What I find most curious is that there is actually little interest in understanding how our society works. And we turn right back to the usual academics that propagate the same BS for explanations. Call me just another self-aggrandizing academic if you will — but I honestly don’t know how we’re going to get out of the box if we don’t understand the minds of those that put us in there in the first place.

PR C
PR C
2 years ago
Reply to  chuckpezeshki

“Middle class people hiding, while working class people brought them stuff.” QED

Melanie Mabey
Melanie Mabey
2 years ago
Reply to  PR C

Nothing has changed – Defoe has a piece about that in his ‘Journal of the Plague year’ ..where poor people row up and down the Thames delivering food etc. to rich people who have sequestered themselves away on boats up and down the river.

Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
2 years ago
Reply to  J Bryant

Today’s NYT joins in the apology tour with a brief that notes pundits are now free to admit error. Politicians are never given such license, but they simply stop talking about unpleasant truth and change the subject.
The GBD was the norm for epidemics in the past once the pathogen containment was lost. China could do things we of the past couldn’t do in free societies. But we attempted to duplicate China’s solution only to discover welding doors shut really wasn’t acceptable.
Sadly the mask theater will continue despite evidence showing that it also is mostly ineffective. Omicron arrives to make a mockery of nearly all our earnest efforts.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
2 years ago
Reply to  Hardee Hodges

The people in the streets still look like zombies walking around in fear with faces covered. Hope the penny drops soon.

Tom Jennings
Tom Jennings
2 years ago
Reply to  J Bryant

The left has not just woken up to the catastrophic results of lockdowns. This has been known since Oct 2020. Unless US progressives can’t do math, a comparison of US population data by age group to 30 Sep 2020 CDC death numbers told the story. My view is that they knew it and went ahead with the lockdowns and mandates anyway. Those in charge have just recognized that the jig is up.

Inherent in the progressive movement is a “we know better” attitude and a reliance on experts. It turns out that it is a very short leap from “we know better” to ” do what we say or be crushed”. People and businesses have been bankrupted, children have been damaged and the elderly have died in senior centers by the tens of thousands. Those who objected have been smeared and censored.

My view is that this was a power grab by group-thinking governments, a “Great Reset”. Needless to say, they failed and their citizens are waking up to the failure. Get ready for some serious revisionism.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
2 years ago
Reply to  Tom Jennings

Let’s hope so. I think Biden is finished but then you cannot really tell in the USA as a lot of left leading citizens put him there unless it really was software interference with the postal votes etc.

Lou Campbell
Lou Campbell
2 years ago

Ahhhh, logic, reasoning & sanity…it’s so good to see you again out and about!
Loved this article.

Galeti Tavas
Galeti Tavas
2 years ago
Reply to  Lou Campbell

It was not about covid, it was some Lefties trying to CTA

Alan Thorpe
Alan Thorpe
2 years ago
Reply to  Lou Campbell

It isn’t much use after the event. The response to pandemics was considered before the Covid pandemic and all the reports said that lockdowns were not the answer.

Lou Campbell
Lou Campbell
2 years ago
Reply to  Alan Thorpe

Agreed!
I was concerned they wouldn’t ever come back and we’d be living in 1984 forever.

Mark Walker
Mark Walker
2 years ago
Reply to  Lou Campbell

Sadly SANITY was lost in the attacks on Prof Gupta, in particular. Academic freedom completely vanished for the whole of the discussion on Covid- 19. Why oh why.
If the UK Government used LOGIC before spending BILLIONS of Pounds on a useless Track & Trace. Rather focussing the funds on SHIELDING the vulnerable. Then it is likely that thousand of lives would have been saved.

Jerry Smith
Jerry Smith
2 years ago

I’ve been utterly perplexed, as a centre-leftist, for the past year or more as to exactly why so many of my friends, whose politics I had thought were consonant with mine, metaphorically threw up their hands in horror when I invited them to sign the GBD. Some expressed surprise that I was espousing ‘right wing’ politics. It’s really shaken my comfortable world view, probably no bad thing. Equally disturbing is the conflation of so many Unherd contributors of socialism with communism and communism with Stalinism. It seems to me that a reconfiguration of left politics is long overdue and has been brought into sharp focus by the response to the pandemic in general and the reaction to the GBD in particular. Perhaps the more fundamental division is now that between those who believe we are best served by educating and informing people and trusting them to make sensible decisions (within a legal framework) and those who see a benign state controlling our health and lifestyle choices as inherently good. Maybe we’re about to get that debate. Let’s hope so.

Dan Croitoru
Dan Croitoru
2 years ago
Reply to  Jerry Smith

Socialism is a stage in achieving communism. This was the view of the bolsheviks also supported by Stalin. Trotskyism was opposing Bolshevism by believing that Communism can be achieved in one step by a global shift in the working class perception of itself. That never took off but is tried again nowadays by the progressive left.

Jerry Smith
Jerry Smith
2 years ago
Reply to  Dan Croitoru

Sure, that’s what the Bolsheviks believed. But they don’t have a monopoly of the truth and that view is by no means shared by all who call themselves socialist.

Norman Powers
Norman Powers
2 years ago
Reply to  Jerry Smith

Equally disturbing is the conflation of so many Unherd contributors of socialism with communism and communism with Stalinism

Well, that is inevitable:

  1. Communism turned into Stalinism or close equivalents everywhere it’s been tried. If there’s actually a difference it’s a theoretical one, not a real one.
  2. The attempted distinction between socialism and communism is a vague, confusing mess originated by Marx – a remarkably unclear thinker – and propagated by his adherents, who hardly do a better job of describing what it’s meant to be. The best you can get is something like “socialism is good, communism is bad”.

Your own post reflects the problem: you experienced shock that people you thought were socialist turned out to actually be Stalinist. This isn’t shocking if you realize there’s no deep underlying difference in philosophy or values. It’s just that laws and norms normally prevent Stalinists from taking control, and elections push them back to the centre ground. When one of them manages to obtain power via back-door means, see Prof Susan Michie sitting on SAGE, then most of the left can hardly conceal their joy. Sure, there’s a fringe of people like yourself who arrive in forums and express bewilderment about the behavior of those who were perceived as ideological allies, and that’s good. But I’ve seen dozens of these “what has the left become? I thought I was left wing and now I’m not sure” posts scattered around the net, even in the last six months. At some point it may be worth considering that the left was always this way, and it was only continual battles by the right to keep them in their box that stopped a full-blown Soviet state from emerging.

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Jerry Smith
Jerry Smith
2 years ago
Reply to  Norman Powers

… or perhaps that those dozens of posts (which I’ve also seen) represent something different and positive? But I’m sure you’d find that naive.

Norman Powers
Norman Powers
2 years ago
Reply to  Jerry Smith

I guess they’re positive in the sense of people leaving behind leftism?
I’ve not yet seen a poster able to re-evaluate the “right wing=evil” training though, so they invariably are phrased as “the left has changed and now I’m politically homeless”, not “I realized that maybe I’m right wing after all”.

Warren T
Warren T
2 years ago
Reply to  Norman Powers

It’s very interesting to actually sit down and discuss this topic with someone who identifies as “left”. I find very few that are either truly leftists, in that they believe everyone should be equal, but mostly I find that they believe basically the same things about life that I do, but they simply think they are “leftists” in order to have access to and associate with a certain group of people. In the end, most of us are basically the same.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
2 years ago
Reply to  Warren T

The left and right labels originate from the French Revolution where the Revolutionaries who went on to seize power and kill royalists and those who opposed them sat on the left of the National Assembly while those supporting the existing Royalist system sat on the right.
Ever since those who want things to remain roughly as they are, the conservatives, are right wing and all who want to change things by murdering large numbers if need be in the name of the people are left wingers.
On any rational categorisation The German National Socialist Workers Party would be one of the competing left wing parties, but such is the revulsion with the Nazi party left propagandists have labelled it right wing, although there was little conservative about its program which involved mass slaughter allegedly to improve the lot of the German people, a typical left wing program all spelled out in the name of the party.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
2 years ago
Reply to  Norman Powers

It is good to bear in mind that Hitler was elected in a democracy and turned it into a dictatorship. Democracy is a very flimsy thing and has to be worked at and protected.

Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
2 years ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

That‘s why the US is a Republic.

Andrew F
Andrew F
2 years ago
Reply to  Norman Powers

Great post.
I had a discussion today with far lefty guy.
Usual Novarra Media fan.
In his view communism is brilliant.
When I asked him how is it that two clear examples how communism and capitalism compare (North Korea and South Korea. Then East Germany and West Germany) clearly show that capitalist system is better, he didn’t concede.
His view was that no one ever implemented communist system properly.
This guy has a degree from Russell Group University (or so he says).
Unfortunately most academics in uk are lefties.
So they “produce” graduates like this guy.
Maybe government should create sociological warfare unit to counter far left propaganda.
But how do you do it, if most higher civil service personnel are members of globalisation cult?

Andrew Dalton
Andrew Dalton
2 years ago
Reply to  Jerry Smith

The conflation of political models is fairly ubiquitous. Similar to your example, the left tend to think that any form of border control is fascism and opposing things like [identity] shortlists is bigotry of one form or another.
This is the debating tactic of reducing your opponent’s position to its most egregious or extreme examples or simply strawmanning them.
In this case it’s perplexing as the left (in general but not absolute) is abandoning almost all principles it would once hold dear as this policy is definitely harmful to groups it would profess to support.

Mark Burbidge
Mark Burbidge
2 years ago
Reply to  Jerry Smith

My wife and I were early but unimportant signatories to the GBD believing that, at last, some sense was being put forward. Sadly, we were to be disappointed as the world shut down any debate that questioned the sanity of closing society. The Amish in Pennsylvania said that there are worse things than death, maybe they are right.

Katharine Eyre
Katharine Eyre
2 years ago
Reply to  Jerry Smith

I signed the GBD, because I thought it was sensible to keep the discussion on different approaches as open as possible. However, I must admit I kept this to myself and only forwarded it to people I knew would be receptive, as the lockdown discussion had become so self righteous and toxic by then that I couldn’t be bothered with the aggro that publicly supporting it would cause. A little cowardly on my part for sure, but you need to pick your battles.

Bella OConnell
Bella OConnell
2 years ago
Reply to  Jerry Smith

And this is why I am listening to all the Jordan Peterson maps of meaning lectures. They keep me sane.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
2 years ago

What I predict is that you will see more articles like this as the truth starts to slap some people through the face – the logic that was needed in the first place to protect those most at risk, while avoiding the worst harms of lockdowns which of course harms most of society except the wealthy.
What I cannot predict is how certain sizeable vocal parts of populations (those who can afford hard restrictions or who are being given money by their governments) will respond. I anticipate many will double down? They enjoy being told what to do (personal responsibility being quite onerous) and being told at the same time – ironically and incorrectly – that they are morally superior.
No strategic critical thought is employed – everything is reduced to fear based thought patterns enabled by sensationalistic corporate media.
Equally certain governments, big businesses, large organisations and powerful individuals who have nefarious agendas of their own will not relinquish control easily.
We have had a reprieve called Omicron – allowing a window into a post pandemic world and yet we still see masks, boosters, more calls for vaccine mandates and the like. We still see people arguing constantly about the ‘deadliness’ of the disease.
The events in Australia (Little China) has vividly illustrated in the past few days just how unprepared and unwilling certain parts of society still are to become enquiring, logical and tolerant. They are unprepared to take their lives back. They do not want to be dead, but are also happy to not really live.

David Owsley
David Owsley
2 years ago

correct, they will feel that dread of realising they were very wrong

Michael K
Michael K
2 years ago

It’s important that we don’t accept the popular explanation “science constantly progresses” for their past failures and idiocies. Science does constantly progress, but this particular science has been available for at least a year, and they just decided to ignore it.

Andrew Dalton
Andrew Dalton
2 years ago

I don’t think anyone will own this screwup. My prediction is that it will be memory holed as fast as possible and if anyone asks any questsions we’ll get “lessons will be learned.” Which, incidentally, is the UK’s national moto.

M P Griffiths
M P Griffiths
2 years ago

 They enjoy being told what to do (personal responsibility being quite onerous) and being told at the same time – ironically and incorrectly – that they are morally superior.
That is absolutely spot-on.

Kathleen Stern
Kathleen Stern
2 years ago

I signed the Great Barrington Declaration at the start as it seemed eminently sensible and rational. I was consequently baffled and disturbed by the vicious attacks and discrediting of the authors. The simultaneous worship of Professor Pantsdown and his crew of modellers and psychology manipulators made me distrust the government ‘s extremist plans. No trust left in politicians and their potential corruption and seeming cooperation with the wannabe Davos world government types!

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
2 years ago
Reply to  Kathleen Stern

Yes, I also signed it straight away and was astonished to see the vilification of the authors. Those were still the early days. Now we are used to seeing mediocre yes men, most often with their arms elbow deep in the money trough, discredit highly respected scientists, call them ‘quacks’ and parrot the narrative. Follow the money always.

Jeff Carr
Jeff Carr
2 years ago

I am sure I have heard somewhere that the Imperial team was formed as a result of splits at Oxford.
Is University politics one of the factors underlining the denigration of the GBD?

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Carr

A lot of this woke is coming from the universities. They are nothing like what they were with their cancel culture, transgender and whatnot. I can see Nigel Farage asking them the question “Who are you”?

Ian Barton
Ian Barton
2 years ago

I would be interested to know the % of Lockdown supporters that had (and still have) the dual characteristics of being :

  • able to work from home
  • entitled to full “sick pay” if they reported being ill while at home

I also wonder what % of those have retained/obtained a positive LFT stick to be able to show their managers (via Zoom) whenever it feels convenient to do so.

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Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
2 years ago
Reply to  Ian Barton

I can give you the stats – 100% of lockdown supporters were a) either being paid in one form or another (that includes the WFH contingent and the contingent who might have spoken out but did not dare for fear of losing their employment) – or b) were independently wealthy.

D Ward
D Ward
2 years ago

85% of them probably on the Government/Council pay roll (including MPs, MSPs and whatever you call the Taffyban in The Welsh Assembly )

Pamela Booker
Pamela Booker
2 years ago
Reply to  D Ward

Ha ha Taffyban. Love it. So apt.

Alyona Song
Alyona Song
2 years ago

you are spot on, Lesley! WFH and well-off are the most ardent supporters of the lockdown. That’s an observation from a perch in Toronto, Canada.

William Murphy
William Murphy
2 years ago
Reply to  Ian Barton

As one wag explained: lockdown means lots of middle class people hiding in their homes, while lots of working class people delivered goodies to their doors and also traveled widely to keep essential services running. Anyone remember the crammed Tube trains for weeks after the joke first “lockdown” started and we were all supposed to be keeping two metres apart?

Dan Croitoru
Dan Croitoru
2 years ago
Reply to  Ian Barton

95% is a good estimate

Alex Stonor
Alex Stonor
2 years ago
Reply to  Ian Barton

I smelt a rat when the lowest paid, frontline workers (in the UK) were not offered statutory sick pay; there was a scheme where you could apply for sick pay and, of course, evidence of how many were being refused. How could this have been justified? Surely everyone has to be able to isolate or there are huge holes in the policy?
I predict that the desire to protect the old & vulnerable will turn to hatred & resent for that group when millennials & Gen Z are making policy, and not just because of covid & lockdowns but because we have given them nothing and squeezed every last penny out of them for an almost useless higher education and in rents because boomers own all the decent property, to augment their abundant pensions and will charge whatever the market will support.
And now those boomers, who have buckets of money are too terrified to spend it on holidays & trips to the theatre; whoever can think of a way of squeezing this group might save us all from Soylent green.

Kathleen Stern
Kathleen Stern
2 years ago
Reply to  Alex Stonor

As a boomer I am offended by this nonsense. I didn’t ask any of them for special protection and in fact was housing my family when it all kicked off in the house bought and paid for during the years where the interest rates rose to around 16%. I have since holidayed in Europe and don’t expect the rest of my life to be dictated by wealthy politicians and the privileged who seem to have been free to live and travel luxuriously throughout. I worked all my life and don’t expect death wishes from nasty people who need to get on,work hard and make their own future a good one.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
2 years ago
Reply to  Kathleen Stern

Yeah the world and other people owe them a living.

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Marie Morton
Marie Morton
2 years ago
Reply to  Alex Stonor

We were not all frightened – indeed many like me in our 60s (a GBD- signer)have not been fully vaccinated as we could see that unless obese/co-morbidities even we were at relatively little risk. Indeed I find it mainly young women in their 20s and 30s who want to keep the madness going.

Martin Smith
Martin Smith
2 years ago
Reply to  Alex Stonor

I’m 69, currently in ‘dangerous’ South Africa, spending hard earned retirement savings. So FU. Agree though that the young are being screwed, but by the technocratic elitists, not by me.

Pamela Booker
Pamela Booker
2 years ago
Reply to  Martin Smith

Exactly

Pamela Booker
Pamela Booker
2 years ago
Reply to  Alex Stonor

What nonsense to suggest ALL boomers live in such luxury. Just as in any diaspora, there are many inequalities.

David Nebeský
David Nebeský
2 years ago
Reply to  Ian Barton

Well, I have to confess I was a lockdown supporter in the start of the pandemic and I work from home :-/

SULPICIA LEPIDINA
SULPICIA LEPIDINA
2 years ago
Reply to  Ian Barton

The entire UK Civil Service for a start.
They also have the inestimable benefit of fully index linked pensions, which will ensure their regrettable survival as we are swamped by the imminent tsunami of inflation.

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Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
2 years ago

I think they call it gold plated pensions. At our expense of course.

Galeti Tavas
Galeti Tavas
2 years ago

What a total waste of an article, buy then it is Toby Green…The guy slightly left of – and with the same agenda, and same ‘Professor of History’ title as Ibrahim X. Kendi, sets rambling about trying to make the Left seem some benign philosophy of morally and materially uplifting society for the greater good…

“After all, the Left has historically championed civil rights and freedoms in society which are associated with individual liberties: the right to protest, the right to work, the right to sexual independence and freedom. Expanding the freedoms of men and women — while emphasising that this can only be achieved through collective action — has always been a central tenet of leftist,”

The entire article is filled with these self congratulating, leftist, homilies…Wile the Left is much better seen in reality as Castro, Chavez, Tito, Hoxa, Dimitrov, Ceaușescu, you know, the ones who treated their people like the Lefties just did during covid… One thing about a Leftie, they have no love at all – that is Never what motivates them, Just raw power, and the ability to force people into their control, done under the guise of justice, equity, equality, and fairness – but they get their equality by bringing the average level down to the lowest, not lifting up to the higher. Anyway, a very irksome article of the most backhanded apology for Fu**ing up the whole world ever written. (Excepting China and its region). The Western, useful idiots, Postmodernists, Lefties broke the world, now the right will have to rebuild it, as they always have to.

You know, the Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem, even the middle road Stefen Lofven, (and Tegnell) Type of leader who believe in FREEDOM, personal responsibility, individual Rights, and basically the Bill Of Rights Philosophy.

Galeti Tavas
Galeti Tavas
2 years ago
Reply to  Galeti Tavas

haha, gotta love this old line from the Left (from the quote above)

the right to work,”

Russia and China both instituted ‘The Right To Work’… they just forgot the bit about ‘right to not work’ or ‘right to work at what you wish’. A right to work, and no right to not work is basically enslaving a nation, and is a typical ‘Right’ a lefty loves, and is what all the Communist Nations did.

anyway, a silly article full of stuff like: “poorer countries with high Covid mortality and weak healthcare systems — such as Latin America, India” India had 345 deaths per million, not bad,, the West ran over 2300 per million. Also excepting South Africia, all Africa, and Asia and the Far East suffered very low death rates, despite their low vaccinations. The Central/South Americas suffered badly because the people have no resistance to this kind of virus – and also suffered terribly from lockdowns being forced on them by the Pharma owned politicos of the West and WHO, and WEF, as did huge numbers of poor nations.

That is the crime needing investigation – WHY did the second world lock down? It Must have been forced on them by some subtle mechanism by the Global Elites and their Vaccine Policy – like the West there has been some Huge conspiracy to lock up the world by outlawing early treatments and prophylaxes, Excepting the Vax. This whole Covid response has been the biggest conspiracy ever done – it made the very wealthy super wealthy, and impoverished the poor, and the working – all done for ‘Health’.

Here is the latest from Bret Weinstein (we know him from here – he says covid response is a conspiracy too – but has to be careful or will be kicked off youtube) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEcu04Setns (Heather has covid in it)

Howard Gleave
Howard Gleave
2 years ago
Reply to  Galeti Tavas

Agree. I think the article was poor. Right, but for all the wrong reasons. The pandemic response wasn’t a question of common action vs civil liberties. Once the facts were known about the risk of serious harm posed by Covid it should have been a straightforward judgement about relative benefits and harms as a function of age and state of health. The GBD was an eminently logical way of building collective immunity without wrecking the economy, thus enabling the provision of adequate health care and other resources to those most at risk until the pandemic subsided.

Instead, governments pretty well across the globe resorted to one size fits all, grossly disproportionate, big state, big brother responses. Because they could.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
2 years ago
Reply to  Galeti Tavas

 Ceaușescu’s son could legally rape and torture any girl he wanted with impunity under the socialist system in Romania. The socialist system imprisoned, tortured and murdered thousands of people in that country. That kind of system always produces a dictator in the end.

Francis MacGabhann
Francis MacGabhann
2 years ago

Great article, if somewhat schizophrenic. I’m sorry, guys, but the idea that authoritarianism as the left’s default can easily be laughed off is itself a laugh. No leftist ever met a restriction or a suppression that he didn’t like and the restrictions of covid have been like multiple orgasms to the left. They never want it to end. The rest of the article? Spot on.

Graham Stull
Graham Stull
2 years ago

That was going to be my comment, Francis. To add to your arguement: the very essense of leftism is in the compulsory reallocation of resources across society. But this can only be done with a strong central State. And the State, in turn, is defined by its monopoly on force. So in a very real sense, leftism is, and always has been, about authoritarianism.

Geoffrey Wilson
Geoffrey Wilson
2 years ago

Yes, sensible analysis of how left political leadership has been acting against the interests of Western societies including of course “ordinary people” in their support of authoritarian pandemic lockdown, but sadly no acknowledgement that the author’s support for the left (by which he mainly means assuming all on the right are nasty people) is in any way shaken. Until he acknowledges his own faults in cheering on those preaching hatred of freedom of expression by character assassination of those putting forward non-current-left-establishment views like GBR but also on global warming “economic lockdown”, trans extremism, immigration etc, he cannot achieve redemption.

John Riordan
John Riordan
2 years ago

“After all, the Left has historically championed civil rights and freedoms in society which are associated with individual liberties: the right to protest, the right to work, the right to sexual independence and freedom.”

Yes, but the Left only did this in the first place when its own position was anti-Establishment as opposed to being the Establishment. These ideas were merely weapons of attack, not sincerely held principles by which society would be permanently organised. In saying this I am not ascribing the despicable cynicism that characterises such an agenda to left-wingers generally – in fact hardly any of the people who very obviously sincerely held such principles and obviously still do as moral priorities that guide their political views. I refer to the ideological architects of Progressivism itself, that’s all, which is concerned primarily with power and how to get it, and which has never envisaged silly ideas like individual rights and freedom being an impediment to its own long game.

“Yet surely the past two years have revealed the dangers of assuming that a “collective response” to the pandemic requires lockdown measures.”

Actually, the last two years have revealed the dangers of making such draconian powers available to left-wing Establishments. There is no fallacious thinking involved in driving these powers through: the people in question know perfectly well that lockdowns and the various forms of surveillance in question do not work in terms of reducing harm. They are being pushed through anyway because they serve the massive expansion of State power that has been the holy grail of the globalised Left ever since Progressivism defined the character of the sort of new utopia that it, alone, was apparently capable of making real.

We will not see these powers relinquished no matter how embarrassing the facts become as they reveal themselves. We will not see an end to the demonisation of those who are brave enough to question the dogma. Most of all, we will never witness any admission by the emerging clerisy that is responsible for the damage, that they have actually done any anything wrong.

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John Schofield
John Schofield
2 years ago

It’s been instructive to see how the debate over the GBD was immediately politicised despite the best efforts of its authors. To be pro-GBD was to be on the right (and presumably to the right of the current UK Government) when actually the authors were as in favour of the ‘collective good’ as anyone else – they just think Governments went the wrong way about achieving it. Not without reason. As with global warming, politics has turned out to be a hindrance to constructive debate, partly because political discourse almost always lacks subtlety and partly because, having nailed their colours to the lockdown mast, governments could not afford to entertain doubts and alternatives when implementing their restrictions.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
2 years ago

The authors failed to mention that governments actively prevented the use of inexpensive, effective treatments, and are still doing so today. “Get the shot!” “Triple vax for everyone!” “Wear a mask so we can tell who’s on board!” Hmm, care to guess how many in Congress have stock in Pfizer?

Keith Dudleston
Keith Dudleston
2 years ago

Where can we obtain these numbers?

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
2 years ago

Out of the top ten stocks in which members of Congress personally invest, Pfizer is No. 6 and Johnson & Johnson is No. 7. https://investinganswers.com/articles/10-most-popular-stocks-owned-congress

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Gunner Myrtle
Gunner Myrtle
2 years ago

More discussion is needed on this point. Even simple things like take vitamin D weren’t promulgated for fear of reducing the number of people who would get vaccinated.

rodney foy
rodney foy
2 years ago
Reply to  Gunner Myrtle

Yes, it beggars belief

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
2 years ago
Reply to  Gunner Myrtle

I prefer exposure to discussion. Way back in March of 2020, nurses were saying oxygen intubation was dangerously invasive and caused deadly cytokine storms, so if oxygen treatment was deemed necessary, they advised using only “open air” machines (like CPAP). I believe the deaths associated with this flu (or whatever it is) were largely preventable, and that evil people are criminally responsible, with profit being their main motivator. There is no Hell horrible enough for them.

Andrew Roman
Andrew Roman
2 years ago

Authoritarianism is addictive for many politicians of the Left and the Right, as governments of most developed countries created and imposed lockdowns regardless of political orientation. The philosophy of the common good and the balancing of the common good with individual liberty is difficult to apply in a time of panic regardless of a government’s position on the Left-Right spectrum. In judging the merits of particular government policies it may be better to set aside broad labels like “the Left” and just look at who did what, and whether that was sensible.

Jerry Smith
Jerry Smith
2 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Roman

Well put.

James Joyce
James Joyce
2 years ago
Reply to  Jerry Smith

I second that comment. Excellent thoughts!

rodney foy
rodney foy
2 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Roman

Agreed. I dislike these labels

James Joyce
James Joyce
2 years ago

This is an excellent long article, and perhaps I have just one minor quibble. The article is written from the perspective that it (the subject of the article) is about Corona, how best to handle it, follow the science, how to learn from past mistakes, etc. But it’s not.
At some points on some things, it’s not about what actually happened, it’s about something else, as the ostensible event has completely lost its meaning and is subsumed by “larger issues.” Some examples come to mind: the Central Park Karen, the Kyle Rittenhouse shootings and trial, January 6th, BLM….What actually happened in these events doesn’t matter at all–what matter is the perception. Re Central Park Karen–a birdwatcher and a dog walker clashed in a public park–2 individuals. Neither was a symbol of all the historic wrongs of American slavery. The Kyle Rittenhouse events were not about an armed teenager with good intentions who was violently attacked by a mob, it was about BLM, so-called “white supremacy,” retributions; KR became an irrelevant footnote to his own story.
Corona is like this, and although I agree with almost all of the main scientific points about the ostensible focus of the article, the plot may have been lost.
Isn’t Corona really about a very successful attempt by the left to seize power in almost literally every aspect of day to day life? And didn’t the left largely succeed–I for one must show my personal health information to random people to get a haircut, go to the gym, get a pint at a pub…..?
The extreme, radical left will use this to show that it (total control of all aspects of daily life) can be done and it will be done again. The key is to trot out boffins like those from SAGE (my, better name for SAGE is Churlish Unhinged Negative Twins), and keep the people afraid. As long as the people are afraid they must look to someone, and usually for better or worse it’s the government, because that’s the only initial choice.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
2 years ago

“After all, the Left has historically championed civil rights and freedoms in society which are associated with individual liberties: the right to protest, the right to work, the right to sexual independence and freedom. Expanding the freedoms of men and women — while emphasising that this can only be achieved through collective action — has always been a central tenet of leftist, even socialist-democratic, ideology.”
Complete bol****ks. The left has only championed freedom of speech and the right to protest insofar as the speech/protest is in support of left wing causes.

Howard Gleave
Howard Gleave
2 years ago

It was indeed obvious early on that only the oldest age groups and/or those with serious underlying health problems were at real risk of serious illness or death from Covid. I went onto the ONS website myself and worked out that the propensity to die from or even with Covid was thousands of orders of magnitude higher for these vulnerable groups than for children. These stats were there for all to see. So why the uniform governent narrative of “the science” that banned countervailing thinking based on facts, facts that were in the felicitous phrase of Prof Sunetra Gupta, the Oxford epidemiologist, “orthogonal to the orthodoxy”?

Vallance claimed science is “self correcting”. Not so when Ofcom, the government, 77 Brigade, Facebook et al are taking down posts or opinions that are not permitted.

I would love to see an inquiry chaired by Jonathon Sumption. And I would like to see the nudge psychologists and their government and SAGE masters and modellers like Ferguson go to prison, or at least have their reputations terminally trashed.

The public health response to the pandemic has been little short of a coup d’etat. It has sentenced an estimated (Prof Karol Sikora( 50000 people to premature death from undiagnosed cancers. The civil liberties we thought were our birthright have been proven to be fragile, capable of suspension in the name of the common good by statutory instrument and justified by bogus statistics. As Fraser Nelson put it after his jaw dropping Twitter exchange with top SAGE modeller Prof Graham Medley, “what we have is not evidence-based policy making but policy-based evidence making”.

I’m triple vaxxed and a vaccine clinical trials volunteer.

Brian Hunt
Brian Hunt
2 years ago
Reply to  Howard Gleave

Yes to Jonathon Sumptionn chairing an inquiry!
I hadn’t heard of the 77 Brigade – very Orwellian. From Wikipedia: ‘On 7 May 2020, The Economist interviewed Carter on the role of 77th Brigade in fighting coronavirus disinformation.[36] The Defence Cultural Specialist Unit was used to monitor the internet for content on COVID-19 and to look for evidence of disinformation related to COVID-19 vaccines.[37]

D Hockley
D Hockley
2 years ago

The problem that lockdown brings is that whilst one group is supposedly being protected (sheltered from harm) by lockdown, another group is exposed to harm by the very same measures of the lockdown.
Given this, in order for a lockdown to be legally and morally acceptable the government must first provide demonstrable proof of the severity of the two harms – and only then chose the lesser of these two.
Since no attempt has been made to do this, I would strongly argue that lockdowns are both illegal and immoral. And just because the majority are in agreement with them in no way justifies them.
The fact that the government is hiding behind the opinions of the majority (who are is a state of mass hysteria and have been the victims of a concerted brainwashing campaign) only further demonstrates the moral bankruptcy of those currently in charge. But even here I can at least slightly understand (but not condone) governments bowing to the pressure of the situation
 
However, what I cannot understand or accept (and what is utterly sinister) is the way that the MSM and big tech totally ran the narrative from start to finish. Trillions of dollars have been stolen from tax payers and ended up in the bank accounts of the big tech and big pharma companies….Tech and media Billionaires have got even richer due to the actions of governments during the pandemic. All the while Facebook, Twitter etc were vilifying and cancelling any person who spoke out against the measures sponsored by the big tech group and put in place by ‘puppet’ governments. The way Sunetra Gupta has been treated since the publication of The Great Barrington Declaration is scandalous at best and utterly criminal at worst.

 When all this is over big tech, big pharma, MSM and social media must be examined and if necessary, broken up. For it is they who represent the biggest threat to our democracy.

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Zorro Tomorrow
Zorro Tomorrow
2 years ago
Reply to  D Hockley

The Great Barrington Declaration was at large, Yeadon & co said their piece for all to read. There are non so brainwashed as those who accept it. If the gov’t had said carry on there were still those who would have locked themselves in. There are thousands of scientists denying anthropogenic climate change. The muppets prefer Greta, a teenager who hasn’t properly finished school.

Keith Dudleston
Keith Dudleston
2 years ago

No mention of the obvious widespread censoring of “alternate” anti-lockdown/vaccination opinion. Either due to the directive from OFCOM [banning criticism of public policy on radio or TV] or the sustained pressure from the government on social media. It’s still ongoing. Be careful; you may be removed from YouTube too.

D Glover
D Glover
2 years ago

Have a look at the Wikipedia page for Dr Michael Yeadon. It excoriates him for ‘ making false or unfounded claims about the COVID-19 pandemic’
Then look at the talk page for that page. Anyone trying to defend Yeadon is smacked down by the haughty elite of editors. Their stock response is ‘your source is not reliable’
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Yeadon

Andrzej Wasniewski
Andrzej Wasniewski
2 years ago

“Has the Left finally woken up to the devastating costs of implementing lockdowns?”
Are the authors of this article living on the same planet as the rest of us?
The devastating cost of lockdowns was pretty clear to every person with any traces of the brain, after the first two months and certainly in the middle of 2020. Devastating for whom we need to ask. Certainly not for Messieurs Gates, Bazos, Soros, Charles Schwab and their lapdogs in the media. Or the big pharma and huge number of the public health officials on the take. No they are still having a great time. They are getting richer and more powerful living comfortably supported by the people who never stopped working: utilities, food services, stores, healthcare.
Lockdowns were devastating to the regular people, their families, the future of their children, our social cohesion.
And the lockdowns had two simple objectives, nothing to do with stopping the pandemic: the largest in history transfer of wealth and property from the people to the billionaires, and extending the dictatorial power of government over people movements, their private life and finally, over their bodies. The only game in town is to get everyone a COVID passport. At this point all restrictions will be lifted, because they will not be longer necessary.
And the left is still salivating about COVID passports and total government control. It is they just realized they may not get it this time. They will try again.

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Marek Nowicki
Marek Nowicki
2 years ago

Emergence of novel, worldwide marketing scheme…

Brian Hunt
Brian Hunt
2 years ago

The only UK media the consistenly gave a voice to GBD signees such as Professor Carl Heneghan, Professor Karol Sikora, Professor Sunetra Gupta was Talk Radio and the Planet Normal Podcast from The Telegraph, with their NHS insider ‘George’. The journalists who interviewed them were frequently called Covid Deniers or had their credibility and sanity challenged.
The government press conferences showcased a generally low quality of questioning, trying to trip up the government rather than understand the issues.
At last some sane voices are being heard.

D Ward
D Ward
2 years ago

The Left. Wrong about everything, always, yet still preaching at us.

SULPICIA LEPIDINA
SULPICIA LEPIDINA
2 years ago

At last! A complete recognition that this C-19 hoax has been the greatest confidence trick perpetrated on the human race since the Resurrection.

Here in the benighted UK, we have just ‘celebrated’ our 150 thousandth fatality, yet the ONS* figure for the average age of Covid death is a staggering 83, whilst Life Expectancy is 81.

It is not a question of “ do the Science” as many would bleat, but do the Maths!

(* Office of National Statistics).

Robin P
Robin P
2 years ago

the greatest confidence trick perpetrated on the human race since the Resurrection.

The Resurrection was not a con-trick. The Marys and others genuinely believed that Christ had been killed, so they could only suppose he had come back to life when they encountered him again. In reality Judas had betrayed the wrong man, and the disciples could not get close enough to recognise this. Christ cleared off along the road to Emmaus before the authorities could catch up on him and kill him “correctly” second time round.
It is precisely because the Resurrection was NOT a mere con-trick (by whom anyway?) that Xtianity has been the most powerful movement in all of history and ongoing. Contrast with a certain Middle-Eastern merchant who claimed to have been given the exclusive monopoly of God’s final message.

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Ann Roberts
Ann Roberts
2 years ago

I could feel a sigh of relief within me that there are now headlines and content that counters the MSM narrative. It does feel that the Trusted News Initiative control of the narrative is crumbling. YEY! Dear Toby and Thomas the image you selected for the article is not helpful for someone like me to share on my social media accounts. It felt at odds with the energy and content of your article. Keep going – your voices are welcome. How about a critique of vaccine discrimination next? Here in Scotland, a couple can no longer have access to fertility treatment unless they are vaccinated. Breaks my heart to think of people at a vulnerable time in their lives being coerced this way. Then the employment mandates ….. Have lots of info to support your inquiry if you are interested xxxx

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Donn Olsen
Donn Olsen
2 years ago

General understanding is improved by grounding analyses in evaluations of motivation. As is often the case, the financial motivation is prominent. Quantitatively, the amounts are expressed in hundreds of billions in USD. These amounts allow the recipients of these funds enormous capability to provide financial rewards to those of power and influence over the decisions to perpetuate the generation of the hundreds of billions in receipts.
Here in the U.S., our new love is Covid testing. Quantitatively, the number of tests needed for the authority-proposed testing protocols (containing a remarkable frequency for an unendingly long time) for a country of 330 million people is in the hundreds of billions of test units. The better informed are aware that there is a 90% profit margin per test.
The Covid-approach alternatives spoken to in this very fine article are of such a threat to that described above that they function as the primary explanation for the absolute rejection of these alternatives.
The sole longer-term plank of optimism is the option of “throwing the bastards out of office” upon the occasion of electoral opportunity, emphasizing the Covid-response as the basis for rejecting their continuing in political office.

Jeff Carr
Jeff Carr
2 years ago

It is always extremely difficult to get anybody to admit that they have made a mistake. It will be nigh on impossible to get polticians and mainstream scientist to admit that they got it wrong.
Let us hope that they will quietly change policy so that a more sensible and focused approach is adopted letting us get on with our lives.
They can use vaccines and testing policies as their ‘get out of jail’ card.
But why are they still talking about vaccinating teens and sub-teens when all the data says that they are not at risk?

Kathleen Stern
Kathleen Stern
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Carr

It seems sinister and oppressive to me. Since adverse effect of heart problems etc on boys and now questions a bout fertility and menstrual problems with girls have emerged why are they pushing jabs so hard?! Does it blend into the climate change and depopulation agenda?

Jeff Carr
Jeff Carr
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Carr

I have since read the Observer article and it starts by saying Gove got it wrong in March 2020 and then proceeds to suggest better alternatives could have been pursued. I found it difficult to differentiate between Sweden and the GBD during 2020.
Mark Woolhouse is a member of the Scottish Government COVID Advisory Group. I do not see that their policies have been less severe than England. Maybe the future release of minutes will show that Mark Woolhouse was a lone voice on the Advisory Group.

AC Harper
AC Harper
2 years ago

There is no such thing as the collective good. There is a living tapestry of men and women and people and the beauty of that tapestry and the quality of our lives will depend upon how much each of us is prepared to take responsibility for ourselves and each of us prepared to turn round and help by our own efforts those who are unfortunate.
…with apologies to Margaret Thatcher
And some would say that the Left concentrates on the ‘collective’ rather than the ‘good’.

Mark Walker
Mark Walker
2 years ago

I signed the GBD on day one of its release. I have been deeply saddened by the attacks on Prof Gupta, in particular. Academic freedom completely vanished for the whole of the discussion on Covid- 19. Why oh why.
Had the UK Government spent the BILLIONS of Pounds that it readily spent on Track & Trace. Instead focussing the funds on SHIELDING the vulnerable. Then it is likely that thousand of lives would have been saved.

Peter Lee
Peter Lee
2 years ago

From the day that it was known that the virus primarily affected those over 65 and/in Retirement homes, It has been amazing to me that the whole world (virtually) acted the way it did with lockdowns etc. From very early it seemed to me that it was a very destructive approach (and I am no doctor).
Why was the medical profession singing with one voice; why did very few doctors even talk about therapeutics, let alone do studies etc.;Why was intermectin denied to early sufferers; Why were masks demanded in spite of every study saying they were useless; Why were schools locked down even though children were rarely if ever affected. Why were the recommended vaccines (even though experimental) completely different from any previous vaccines, of which the world has zero experience.
It is as if the whole medical profession was implementing a trial on the world of the newly developed mRNA vaccine. Now that it has been determined to be an utter failure (and more data is coming in every day), they are back-tracking rather than telling us the truth.
We must demand accountability!

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Warren T
Warren T
2 years ago

The main thing I hope we all have learned is that putting our hope in politicians for answers to big problems is simply foolish.

William Murphy
William Murphy
2 years ago

Is this “collective good” the b*****d offspring of the “common good” as advocated by old style Catholic theologians? No surprise that the “common good” also involves loads of unpalatable restrictions, such as those on freedom of speech and religion. And it can be mighty difficult to define what the collective or common good might be in particular circumstances.

Bashar Mardini
Bashar Mardini
2 years ago

Lockdown will be remembered as a crime against humanity
There is no other way to look at it.

Gordon Welford
Gordon Welford
2 years ago
Reply to  Bashar Mardini

Lockdown has caused the biggest transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich in history

Charles Elliston
Charles Elliston
2 years ago

Lets hope the discussion can go further and our journalists can dig deeper into the mechanisms that initiated and propelled the pandemic beyond the politics of the left or right.

Jordan Flower
Jordan Flower
2 years ago

The answer to the headline is yes. And the next several years will be spent watching the regime slowly adopt the views they previously banished people for expressing, all while pretending it never happened.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
2 years ago

Hear hear… mask up forever Coronaphobifascists…

Jürg Gassmann
Jürg Gassmann
2 years ago

Thank you.

Oliver Wright
Oliver Wright
2 years ago

“workers, women and children” sounds like something out of the Victorian era, seemingly implying (1) that women aren’t workers and (2) that women need (or deserve?) special protection.

Zorro Tomorrow
Zorro Tomorrow
2 years ago

Hindsight tells us lockdowns didn’t work. The only lockdown that would have worked would be as if we had nuclear war fallout with the army delivering bread and soup to everyone’s door. We didn’t lockdown by going to supermarkets with their human distribution networks and having Amazon and co bringing stuff to the house.
If the government had been bold and let it run they would have been pilloried by the same people who so called ‘hold them to account’ now.

David Yetter
David Yetter
2 years ago

The article takes a strange notion of “the Left” as a starting point.
I have repeatedly argued that since the time it got that name from the seating arrangement in the French National Assembly, the Left has at all times been the dominant political tendency of the day that seeks to establish an omnicompetent state under its control on the plea that doing so (and only doing so) will vindicate the interests of the downtrodden. Initially the downtrodden were commoners, the bourgeoisie included, later they were “the workers of the world”, and most recently the downtrodden are a grab bag of “protected classes” (women, various racial and ethnic minorities, sexual minorities,…).
Only during its initial phase as the champions of the commoners did the normative Left really have much regard for individual rights (and that waned quickly during the Terror). Once the Comintern called the tune, individual rights became suspect, and still are, except in matters of sex where they are used to attack individual rights that classical liberals (most of whom on my side of the Pond identify as conservatives due to the oddity of wanting to conserve classically liberal American Founding) have always valued highly like freedom of religion, to the point that the Left seems ready to make it impossible to practice medicine as a believing Roman Catholic or Orthodox Christian.

Malcolm Knott
Malcolm Knott
2 years ago

I don’t agree that the left has historically championed individual liberty. Its natural home is the industrial picket line, shouting ‘Blackleg’ at any individual who steps out of line.

Peta Seel
Peta Seel
2 years ago

Italy has implemented some of the strictest and longest lockdowns in the world (indeed, it is the country that “invented” the concept of national lockdown)”
What utter nonsense. Lockdown was invented by the CCP in China – one of the most repressive regimes on earth. Not only that, never before in human history have millions of healthy people been imprisoned in the face of a circulating virus to “save” a vulnerable few, almost all of whom with a limited life expectancy anyway.
The authors rather lost me there and I read the rest with a somewhat jaundiced eye thinking “bandwagon” and “jump”. Also, the Chinese-controlled WHO may well have had the right strategy in 2019 but went very quiet on it from March 2020 falling into line with everything their Chinese masters decreed.

Bernie Wilcox
Bernie Wilcox
2 years ago

If the Left’s attitude to Brexit disappointed me, their Stalinist attitude to Covid was the final straw. I’d be tempted to say that I’m no longer a leftie but that’s not the case. It’s the Stalinists who aren’t lefties and of course, they never really have been.
I find it quite interesting that on Brexit they supported an anti democratic, neo liberal, big business club and on Covid, they’ve suddenly believed that multi national Pharma giants are going to somehow prioritise the common good above their profits. How unMarxist is that?
Their support for compulsory vaccinations is simply incredible. In today’s Guardian there’s a discussion piece about it. It shouldn’t even be up for discussion.
But the worse part of the whole thing is the hypocrisy.
When the post Brexit vote debate was raging they had the cheek to remember Peterloo with its fight for democracy (while the Left tried to overturn the one thing that more people had voted for than anything else), its fight for freedom of speech (while the Left were busy cancelling everyone who held a different viewpoint) and with its fight against the Corn Laws (whilst the Left supported the modern day Corn Laws in the shape of the Single Market).
With Covid, it was somehow ok to have demonstrations in support of BLM but it wasn’t ok to walk on a golf course with a bag of sticks over your shoulder with one other person. It was ok to for supermarket checkout workers to risk their lives but not ok for teachers to take a much lower risk in teaching kids. I could go on.
I’m not going to stop calling myself a Socialist because these Stalinists (and Trotskyite Stalinists in the case of the SWP) have misused the word but I have disowned the lot of them.
They are simply vile.

Zaph Mann
Zaph Mann
2 years ago

I fully agree with this article and have been arguing as much since July 2020, however there are two examples of misused statistics to clear up: “Covid deaths in nursing homes amount on average to a staggering 40% of all Covid deaths in Western countries, despite representing less than 1% of the population.”
That’s not a valid comparison – the second parameter should be the number of people OUTSIDE of nursing homes of comparable age and health.
AND… “In some countries (Belgium, France, the Netherlands, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, the UK and the US), more than 5% of all care home residents were killed.” compared to what percentage of people OUTSIDE of nursing homes of comparable age and health?
These kinds of discrepancies appear in articles frequently, be vigilant.

Douglas Proudfoot
Douglas Proudfoot
2 years ago
Reply to  Zaph Mann

Nursing homes are a controled medical environment. They should have experienced a lot fewer deaths, if quarantined properly. While your quibble on the statistics is accurate, the fact that such a large number of deaths occured shows that the nursing homes weren’t quarantined at all. That shows negligence, even though the statistics weren’t formulated correctly.

The real deal in places like New York, New Jersey and Michigan was that people recovering from Covid -19 were forced into elderly care nursing homes, where they infected a lot of vulnerable people and killed them. The governors, Cuomo, Murphy and Whitmer, covered up these deaths by saying they occurred in hospitals. I’m not sure, but it’s possible similar neglegence occurred in other countries.

Zaph Mann
Zaph Mann
2 years ago

Agreed, and I believe a similar error was made in Sweden who otherwise would be faring even better than ‘above average’.
As for the significance of this statistical error being a quibble, perhaps, but I have seen instances where it is absurdly distorting – as in a case where someone claimed that as ‘the same number of people were infected whether they’d had the vaccination or not” from Isreal… meant that there was no point in the vaccination BUT the ‘same number’ came from 98% vaccinated, and 2% not vaccinated.
And it’s easy to find biases (or misuse) in the other direction.

Tony Lee
Tony Lee
2 years ago

I wonder if this is less a political issue and more about a misplaced belief that life should come neatly packaged and labelled as being risk free. There never was any attempt (by anyone apart from such as Sweden) to openly discuss and weigh the balance of costs (economic and societal) of either locking down, or not. The whole argument for lockdowns tied up in some insane conviction that all lives have equal value (whereas the NHS makes decisions about the relative value of one life over another routinely) and that any amount of cost to society is justifiable, on the basis of saving ‘one life’. We heard “every death is a tragedy”from politicians and such as the BBC (with it’s daily picture wall of Covid related death) incessantly, and it’s simply not true. So, less a political issue and more a belief in fairies at the bottom of the garden and a world where anything and everything is possible, and that someone else will pay the price no matter the cost. PS it might be nice if the NHS could start saving us now, instead of the other way around

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mike otter
mike otter
2 years ago

Three reasons for the pro-covid partisanship of leftitsts: 1. Their obsession with the paradoxes of freedom and equality mean they look for the perfect score and make it an enemy of decency and common sense. So if some unfortunate has neither arms nor legs we must all have ours amputated to achieve equality. If someone is clever and driven enough to get rich with all the freedom of choice this brings then some machete wielding scrote on his BMX should have the freedom to steal this persons hard earned, etc etc. 2. they actually believe destroying economies, families, cultures will somehow vault them in to perpetual power and they’ll build their utopia on our ashes, despite there being neither historical or logical support for this idea. 3. Some people are just plain bad, and for all the Johnsons, Aitkens, Hamiltons etc there are statistically a lot more bad ppl with leftist views IME alongside a few nice but misguided fellow travellers.

Tom Jennings
Tom Jennings
2 years ago

The left has not woken up to the catastrophic results of lockdown. The left, specifically the progressive left, has realized that the jig is up. Inherent in progressivism is the belief that experts can determine what is best for the common good. It turns out that it is a very short leap from “We know best” to “Do what we say or be crushed”. They assumed power, they made their dikdats, they punished those who resisted, and they got it wrong.
No wonder they are backtracking. Get ready for a heavy dose of revisionism. They are in the position of the spouse who develops a “can’t lose” betting system, mortgages the family home, and promptly loses it all on a series of disastrous wagers. Tall tales are the order of the day.

Douglas Proudfoot
Douglas Proudfoot
2 years ago

There’s no limiting principle in “for the greater good.” Who gets to decide? The left’s answer is “experts.” But who picks the “experts?” Who checks their work?

For me, a so called rightist who supports Constitutional government by the consent of the governed and the rule of law, there should be no “experts” ruling by edict. The reach of government has to be limited. People should be allowed to make their own decisions, based on guidance that isn’t censored.

Government “experts” ignored the real science to follow The Science (TM), which they made up as it suited them. This should tell everyone that government experts are just as Stalinist as any other politician can be with unlimited power. Governments have to be forced to live within the limits imposed by Constitutions and basic individual rights. What good are your sexual preference rights if you can’t leave your house to meet others of a compatible preference?

Censorship is anathema to free speech and fredom of the press, whether the censorship comes from government directly, or from private companies with monopoly market shares. The Ministry of Truth is still just as oppressive if it’s privatized. Any real democracy can’t tolerate censorship, no matter how much greater good it offers at any given moment.

I’m sure all of these “experts,” and their running dogs, mean well. But as my high school home room teacher used to say, “The road to hell is paved with good intentions.”

It seems obvious to me that getting rid of checks and balances hasn’t worked at all. No matter how much greater good was supposed to have been achieved, government “experts” have created a disaster with their decrees. It’s time for a return to Constitutional government and the rule of law.

Michelle Johnston
Michelle Johnston
2 years ago

China told us as early as January 2020 that mortality was amongst the elderly comorbid and a handful of exhausted medical workers, Johan Giesecke indicated in April that you should wash your hand’s, social distance and mortality would be 3 to 1 influenza.
Ashley Bloomfield, heralded in New Zealand as a saviour, was asked after six weeks, why level 4 (lockdown) and not level 2 (Sweden). His answer as the director of health was disarmingly honest, not to save lives but to protect the health service. You can add to that, not to protect the mental well being, education, development and financial future of an entire country.
If in the UK out of 100,000 deaths in hospital just over 1000 are fit and healthy 0-60 it is entirely wrong to ask that group of people to do anything more than be sensible and avoid seeing your elderly relatives if you are feeling unwell. Equally multi-generational families in the interests of all parties should have taken personal responsibility for segregating themselves that cohort has always been vulnerable to each other.
Hospitals and Careworkers (both at home and in care) is where all the financial firepower and support should have gone. Leave everyone else alone.
Melbourne is the best example of a deluded policy. Nursing homes accounted for 78% of all deaths due to poorly paid immigrant workers multi jobbing and passing the virus around. Deaths at 807 were slightly more than 3 times annual influenza at 248. No lives were saved for all the collateral damage caused by Locking Down for months on end the fit and healthy and the ultimate hypocrisy on those who feed Australia’s brutal policies 40% of them are obese.

john zac
john zac
2 years ago

Yes journalist can dig deeper but does it matter anymore? Look what they did to nice guys like Robert Malone. Canceled as a quack for the rest of his life… so sad! And all he wanted to do is alert everyone to system, how NIH grants buy the truth of science

Jesse Porter
Jesse Porter
2 years ago

“And so thinkers like us, who have always criticised neoliberal individualism and argued in favour of progressive state intervention…”
First, quoting Tonto, what do you mean, we, white man? I am not we, having never argued in favor of progressive state intervention. Second, there has never been a neoliberal individualist.
Left and right are not the only positions possible for thinking people. At their most extreme, both favor state intervention, and thus exclude thinking people. No one familiar with the destruction brought on by state intervention could unqualifiedly favor state intervention.

Samuel Ross
Samuel Ross
2 years ago

If the firemen come when the fire has gone out, they aren’t much good, are they? “But they came in the end!” you say. Yes, but too late to do any good. We need to cut down the response time! 😉

james512
james512
2 years ago

One of the best articles I’ve read all year. Thought-provoking and I agree with every word.

T Doyle
T Doyle
2 years ago

An honest article that reveals the base stupidity and evilness of the left.

Michelle Johnston
Michelle Johnston
2 years ago

We have known since late January 2020 from China that mortality emerges from the Co-Morbid and elderly, this was not even an 80/20 issue it was a 99/1 issue. Take a look at deaths in NHS hospitals; lockdowns, vaccines it all comes to the same number.
So the first and obvious step was to move that group out of the transmission path. Not easy in all settings but if every last effort financially and physically had been focused in that direction we might have saved some lives.
As it is Victoria/Sweden, as two glaringly obvious different policy approaches, ended up with 3/1 to influenza each winter season. Completely different policy same outcome.
That 800 additional people have died at home in England every week since May 2020, 98% non-covid related, is a testament to an organisation that could not manage fever hospitals or fever-free hospitals. Perhaps that is harsh but it makes the mantra “to protect the NHS” look hollow, to achieve what and for whose benefit.
The 0-60 have been sold down the road suffered, sacrificed and nothing has been achieved.
Johan Gleiseke said wash your hands and social distance each of us who pursues those simple instructions might reflect that we avoided transmission. I am 66 why can’t the rest of my fellow travellers start there and look upon the 0-60 getting on with their lives and gradually all catching it.
It’s time to ask the older vulnerable generation to man up and do their bit and for health care settings to take a leap forward in the professionalism of fever security.
The rest should just get on with their lives. Oddly enough everyone would benefit.
And if there is an outbreak in a Nursing Home or Hospital it’s not the end of the world, which requires Ferguson it’s the end of some lives because that’s what we do, die. What is important is we live life to the full before we die, with all its attendant risks.

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William McClure
William McClure
2 years ago

Maybe it’s time to turn this mess over to the lawyers. There’s nothing like a good civil suit to straighten out the “experts”.

Robin P
Robin P
2 years ago

The official deaths data from nine whole countries proves that the lockdowns made no discernible difference whatsoever.
You will need to see graphs, so see http://www.pseudoexpertise.com/cherry.pdf and http://www.pseudoexpertise.com/clarke-covid3.pdf

Graeme Laws
Graeme Laws
2 years ago

The author thinks welfarism has been rolled back. Pillock.

Elaine Giedrys-Leeper
Elaine Giedrys-Leeper
2 years ago

GBD and protecting the elderly in care homes. How ? This virus only transmits when people meet.
If you were going to really protect care home residents you would have had to ensure that all their carers and any visitors didn’t meet anyone else – that is that the care homes and their staff were kept in their own bubbles (not mixing with their families) until all the elderly inmates were vaccinated.
1.49 million people in the UK are in receipt of adult social care (private and NHS and Local authority and direct payment recipients). According to Statista about 490,000 of these are in care homes. There are 1.52 million social care workers (potential transmitters to this vulnerable population) and about 13.6 million unpaid, informal carers.
Largeish numbers requiring lots of financial and logistical support in a GBD scenario + a massive sacrifice by direct social care workers unless you chose to bribe them with what ? an average junior doctor’s salary perhaps for 1 year ? (Foundation year doctor year 2 gross salary £33,345) x 1.52 million care workers = aproximately £ 50 – 51 billion.
This of course ignores the 13.6 million informal carers, presumably some / most of whom also work / are in education, or would the majority of them have to shield as well ? or would they be obliged to continue working and mixing with the general population under the GBD scenario since they are not in a care home setting ?
Practical suggestions please.

Peter Lee
Peter Lee
2 years ago

You have obviously spent a great deal of time trying to refute the declaration. Well Done. Perhaps you could have spent a little time reading it. The major way I would see that this would be implemented is in over-coming the shortage of testing. If we were able to test the vulnerable more frequently then the early intervention therapies would be extremely helpful. Currently we are wasting a item that is in short-supply. Stats indicate that 40% of Covid deaths occurred in retirement homes.
The other factor that you completely ignore is the major impact on the non-vulnerable. This could end up being the ‘lost generation’. Mental illness is up, suicides are way up, rioting and murders are way up and we are all in various stages of depression.
Anyway, the one thing we have learnt from this virus, is the lockdowns are not the answer and they will never be used again. So we better start thinking about ways of tackling these viruses.

Elaine Giedrys-Leeper
Elaine Giedrys-Leeper
2 years ago
Reply to  Peter Lee

The GBD came out in October 2020. I along with many other people noted at the time that it included no evidence that such a strategy would actually reduce viral transmission, hospitalisations or death (short, medium or long term) and no practical suggestions as to how such a strategy could be made to work
Prof Gupta when asked about this in a BBC interview suggested that the vulnerable could all be moved in to hotels.
As far as testing is concerned in 2020 only Micheal Mina in the US was advocating for rapid antigen testing (and there was a shortage of these tests in the UK at that time) They are, as Michael Mina propounded with vigour, very useful, now that they are available. As far as Test and Trace in the UK was concerned in 2020, I think we can all agree that this was a complete shambles and in the first wave there wasn’t enough testing capacity, full stop.
The countries that did have effective T & T & I in 2020 had previous experience with SARS and MERS and were draconian with their testing and isolation regimes.
Now in 2022 in the UK with almost 90% of the over 70s in receipt of their 3rd shot, testing, isolating, and early intervention therapies all become much less important. Incidentally there were no early intervention therapies available for most of 2020.
“suicides are way up” According to ONS the suicide rate was the same or reduced in 2020 and the first 3 quarters of 2021 compared with 2019.

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Tony Buck
Tony Buck
2 years ago

Lockdowns are very necessary – at peaks in the pandemic.

They were mistakenly allowed to drift on for months.

Peter Morgan
Peter Morgan
2 years ago

I’ve never read the phrase “the Left” used so much as here in the first few paragraphs. I don’t get it. Neither England, the US nor Australia is run by the Left and places like Canada are centrist for the most part. Fauci is hardly a leftist! I agree that the left agreed with the lockdown policy but so did much of the right.

Martin Johnson
Martin Johnson
2 years ago

“A Plague Upon Our House” by Dr Scott Atlas is essential for understanding what went wrong

Bryan Dale
Bryan Dale
2 years ago

It’s been obvious for some time that covid-19 response has been determined by politics rather than public health concerns, with leftist governments supporting harsh authoritarian measures, as they always do. With a nominally Conservative government, Britain should have remained free but instead sided with the political left imposing harsh authoritarian measures. That’s not the sort of government people voted for in 2019. It reveals a need for sweeping change in the no longer Conservative Party.

Jim Davis
Jim Davis
2 years ago

Thank you for an article confirming what I have believed about our collective mishandling of the Covid situation since mid 2020. I forwarded the article to all my friends; both liberal and conservative, assuring them the article is not political. But I expect many on the liberal will immediately delete it without reading it, just because I am conservative. But worth a shot.

Terence Fitch
Terence Fitch
2 years ago

Typical of these articles that they use Left/Right glasses to peer at a public health issue. Similarly such articles now bristle with righteous hindsight- a wonderful gift. Has any government got it right quickly? I doubt it on a spectrum from New Zealand and China to muddling and inefficient UK to the unknown- 3rd world countries without records. Very little of this smugness would have been possible without some measures and vaccines and the declaration was before those. Sorry for this long quote but here goes: Dr Rupert Beale, Group Leader, Cell Biology of Infection Laboratory, Francis Crick Institute, said:

“An effective response to the Covid pandemic requires multiple targeted interventions to reduce transmission, to develop better treatments and to protect vulnerable people. This declaration prioritises just one aspect of a sensible strategy – protecting the vulnerable – and suggests we can safely build up ‘herd immunity’ in the rest of the population. This is wishful thinking. It is not possible to fully identify vulnerable individuals, and it is not possible to fully isolate them. Furthermore, we know that immunity to coronaviruses wanes over time, and re-infection is possible – so lasting protection of vulnerable individuals by establishing ‘herd immunity’ is very unlikely to be achieved in the absence of a vaccine”. Again hindsight is wonderful.

James Vernier
James Vernier
2 years ago

Has anyone thought that this is an election cycle in the US, and the Left serves to lose big time in those elections if they don’t try to shift the narrative elsewhere?

Liam O'Mahony
Liam O'Mahony
2 years ago

I said so from the beginning. In the world of risk assessment a simple binary choice usually presents itself: remove the hazard from the people or (esp if that’s not teasonably practicable) remove the people from the hazard. The latter, in the case of Covid was the obvious choice. Indeed the only viable solution!
Regrettably the GBD omitted to offer any real solitions and so was ignored: the solution is very obvious: the vulnerable should have been offered accommodation in existing (perhaps commandeered) or newly constructed “villages”: fully sealed, army patrolled (to prevent ingress, not ‘escape: free to leave at any time).
Entry via thorough testing and quarantine. Inside the vulnerable, 100% Covid free would live normal lives with cafes, bars and all facilities laid on: residents (esp doctors, nurses, craftsmen, chefs etc) would come out of retirement to avoid the need for entry by ‘outsiders’. Great for mental health.
Homes vacated in towns and cities made available to rent by homeless young people: win win!
The fit and healthy (non-vulnerable) also continue as normal and most get the virus: no real pressure on hospitals as the severly ill rate will be very low..
Drastic solution? Yes until you consider the solution actually implemented which was not only far more drastic, but also crazy as well as economically ruinous: and also failed at a number of levels.