Is he just a useful idiot? (NIKLAS HALLE'N/AFP via Getty Images)

A few blocks away from Tiananmen Square, amid the cavernous splendour of the Beijing Hotel Convention Centre, an array of senior Communist Party officials gathered in September to proclaim a clear message: by “focusing on cutting carbon emissions… China will promote green development, and continuously improve its ecology”. The annual general meeting of the China Council for International Co-operation on Environment and Development (the CCICED) was in full swing.
Rapturous applause filled the room, though that was hardly unexpected. Conferences run by the CCP are not usually marked by dissent, especially when they’re attended by the likes of Xie Zhenhua, who led China’s delegation to Cop26, and vice premier Han Zheng, one of the seven standing committee members of the Politburo, the Party’s supreme elite. Indeed, as the room fizzled with optimistic eco-rhetoric, you could almost forget that China is the world’s biggest source of greenhouse gases — and that the new coal-fired power stations in its construction pipeline alone have a greater capacity than Britain’s entire generation fleet.
What was remarkable about this meeting, though, was the surprising presence of an external delegation: joining the CCP apparatchiks on a collection of screens dotted around the room were a number of enthusiastic Britons and other Westerners. According to the official conference report, the “foreign committee members and partners lauded China’s ecological civilisation building and its new and greater contributions to promoting the construction of a clean and beautiful world”.
Who were these people? Strange to tell, they consisted of a veritable Who’s Who of British, European and American climate activists.
Here, for example, was Professor Lord Nicholas Stern, Chairman of the Grantham Centre on Climate Change at the London School of Economics, and a longstanding government adviser who wrote a report for Blair’s Labour government on the need to go green. He told the meeting the world is beginning a “new growth story” that “fits well with China’s vision of an ecological society”.
Here too was Kate Hampton, chief executive of the Children’s Investment Fund Foundation (CIFF), which is mainly bankrolled by the billionaire Sir Christopher Hohn, a key financial backer of Extinction Rebellion and one of the world’s biggest sources of green largesse. During the meeting, Hampton said she “supported Chinese leadership on setting the global path for fulfilling Paris goals” — the attempt to limit global warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius — and praised China for “supporting green Covid-19 recovery”.
Others were equally fulsome, including Laurence Tubiana, France’s former climate ambassador and now chief executive of the European Climate Foundation, which also gives millions to British green campaigns, such as UK100, an alliance of local authorities pledged to turn Net Zero by 2030; and the Conservative Environment Network.
Also present were representatives from ClientEarth, a law firm that tries to block development in Britain and other countries on environmental grounds in the courts; the Worldwide Fund for Nature, whose president is Prince Charles; and representatives from rich and influential organisations based in America including the Natural Resources Defense Council, the World Resources Institute and the Energy Foundation.
And yet in the weeks since the CCICED meeting, Cop26 has come and gone; and largely thanks to China, any hope of a meaningful deal has evaporated. On the last day, British minister Alok Sharma was reduced to tears when India and China refused to promise to phase out coal. Back in the real world, President Xi Jinping has said China will increase annual coal production by 220 million tonnes.
Such moves have, unsurprisingly, attracted robust criticism. Professor Jun Arima of Tokyo University, one of Japan’s Cop26 negotiators, told me that allowing China to benefit from cheap, coal-fired energy will only consolidate its industrial domination. Lord Patten, the last British governor of Hong Kong, pointed out that China’s leaders have repeatedly shown they are not “men of their word”.
Yet those in attendance at the meeting in September have been unified by their reticence. Why?
Last year, in their book Hidden Hand: How the Chinese Communist Party is Reshaping the World, Clive Hamilton and Mareike Ohlberg revealed how China influences Britain and other Western democracies by seducing their elites. Its ‘useful idiots’ often believe they are acting for the common good, but become blind to Xi’s avowed ambition: for China to achieve global supremacy by 2049, the 100th anniversary of the Maoist revolution.
Nowhere is this more effective than in the climate movement. I asked a specialist researcher fluent in Mandarin to examine open-source material from the Chinese web. The results suggest Western greens have become prime targets. Perhaps this isn’t so surprising: before he was a climate negotiator, Xie Zhenhua helped run the Party Discipline Commission, which operates a secret prison network where torture, according to Human Rights Watch, has long been rife.
I asked Hamilton if China’s wooing of Western environmentalists explains why the world’s biggest emitter of carbon dioxide has aroused so little protest? He believes it is likely: “They’ve fallen for what the Party calls ‘discourse control’ — to shape the way the rest of the world thinks and talks about China, presenting the Chinese government in a favourable light. Toadying to the Party leadership is letting them off the hook.”
For Lord Stern, this is nothing new: his environmental record is littered with papers saying CCP leaders are making great progress, and suggesting — prematurely — that their coal use and emissions have already or will soon peak. In 2014, for example, he claimed in a paper for the World Economic Forum that China was “emerging as a global leader in climate policy”. His co-author was He Jiankun, a ‘counsellor’ to China’s top administrative body, the State Council, and the director of the Energy, Environment and Economy Institute at Beijing’s Tsinghua University. Three years later, following the the annual WEF jamboree at Davos, Stern said: “The world is looking for a climate champion. In China, it has one.”
Has Stern been naïve and let himself get too close to the CCP? Certainly for the Party, Tsinghua University has a special role: it is Xi Jinping’s alma mater, and home to multiple labs conducting secret research for the People’s Liberation Army. Yet the pair still work together: Stern’s spokesman told me that Tsinghua and the LSE are joint leaders of the Global Alliance of Universities on Climate, which held two international meetings before Cop26 with contributions from Alok Sharma, US climate envoy John Kerry, and — of course — Xie Zhenhua.
This year, for what it’s worth, Stern has called on China to stop building new coal-fired plants. But he still spoke at this year’s CCICED, while his spokesman told me that China remained “keen to learn from the UK’s example of world-leading action on climate change” and said the rate of increase in its emissions had slowed enormously. While this may be true, China’s emissions continued to rise even through the pandemic, and now exceed the total produced by rest of the developed world.
On paper, at least, you might argue there’s no harm in that. After all, the CCICED’s “mission” is to build “a more beautiful China and a green and bountiful world”. Who could possibly object?
Hardly anyone, I suspect, until they learnt that, the CCICED’s Chinese members include not only top Party bosses but officials who work with China’s United Front Work Department, one of the CCP’s main instruments for exerting influence abroad. Among them is Li Xiaolin, a top party cadre and the daughter of China’s late president Li Xiannan. Until recently, she was the chair of the Chinese People’s Association for Friendship with Foreign Countries — which, as Hamilton and Ohlberg show in their book, is one of China’s most important foreign influence organisations.
What does this mean in practice? According to Patricia Adams, director of the Toronto-based environmental think tank Probe International, in 2017 a new Chinese law forced foreign NGOs there to submit to “close supervision” by the Ministry of Public Security, responsible for crushing dissent and controlling China’s secret police. Any organisation deemed to have “harmed the national interest” risks having its assets seized, its staff jailed, and being permanently banned.
Adams knows this fully well: in 2014, when the new law was being discussed, two Chinese academics she was working with were arrested and later jailed, and Probe International named as co-conspirators. Their crime? “Picking quarrels and provoking troubles” for speaking out on issues such as the rule of law. After that, Adams tells me, “it was no longer safe for us to work in China”. As for the Western environmentalists who still do, she adds: “They hope they can influence China’s leadership. But they are also aware that for them, to publicly criticise China’s policy would be suicide.”
Take, for example, the aforementioned CIFF, whose Chief Executive attended the CCICED gathering in September. Along with the WWF and ClientEarth, it has a branch in China which is subject to CCP control. There, the CIFF employs one Wang Yi as its “independent adviser on climate projects”. As chance would have it, he also happens to be a high-ranking member of China’s puppet parliament, the National People’s Congress.
To what extent that compromises his impartiality is anyone’s guess. But it is striking that the CIFF — a registered UK charity — gives away millions of pounds to projects in China. These include an £18 million grant to “help contribute to peaking China’s emissions”, £14 million to give China “evidence-based recommendations” for renewable energy, and, most astonishingly of all, £8 million to assist China “in global climate governance”.
This might not matter quite so much were Sir Christopher and the CIFF not prominent funders of green causes in Britain and Europe. He has personally given £50,000 to Extinction Rebellion, with a further £150,000 from the CIFF. When these payments emerged in 2019, Hohn said: “I recently gave them £50,000 because humanity is aggressively destroying the world with climate change and there is an urgent need for us all to wake up to this fact.”
But not, apparently, to China’s role in it. When I asked an Extinction Rebellion spokesperson why they never said anything about China, she told me: “It would be divisive to put pressure on one particular nation. It would be hypocritical.”
Yet the CIFF’s China connection extends well beyond Extinction Rebellion: it is also the biggest funder of the European Climate Foundation, based in Brussels but with an office in London, to which the CIFF donated £29 million last year. Strikingly, the ECF’s deputy chair is a familiar figure: the CIFF’s Kate Hampton.
Like the CIFF, the ECF website provides few details of the groups it funds. But its UK ‘grantees’ include ClientEarth and the Conservative Environment Network, an alliance of more than 100 Tory MPs and peers set up by environment minister Zac Goldsmith and his plutocrat brother Ben.
Its ‘global ambassador’, meanwhile, is the Prime Minister’s father, Stanley Johnson, a self-declared “Sinophile” who said last year that China “will come over to our side”, and it was vital “not to raise the temperature” by criticising them. He added he had recently enjoyed “a wonderful, wonderful meeting with the Chinese ambassador”, at which, after discussing global warming, they had sung the Flanders and Swann song ‘Mud, Glorious Mud’ together, inspired by mud’s supposed ability to absorb carbon dioxide.
And yet for all the pledges made in recent years by China and Western environmentalists, the evidence suggests that any future action will be strictly on China’s terms. For many years, Chinese leaders avoided trying to promote the Communist system in the West, but since Xi took power in 2012, this has changed. China, says Clive Hamilton, now touts the ‘China model’ as superior to the West’s.
Anyone doubting this had only attend yet another Beijing meeting, held in June at a Chinese government office by the Foreign Environmental Cooperation Centre, part of China’s environment ministry. The meeting’s attendees included staff from the CCICED, and discussed “the building of ecological civilisation and the community of common destiny”. One leading participant was Chen Xiangyang, the Director of China’s Total State Security Outlook Research Centre — an arm of the Ministry of State Security, which has helped to direct a regime of surveillance against Chinese citizens.
Meanwhile, Qiushi, the CCP’s theoretical journal, published an article in Chinese this year which explores how foreign environmentalists can be utilised. The idea of ecological civilisation, it says, is “Marxist and scientific by nature”, and will have a big role in spreading the China Model’s appeal.
None of this is hidden. This article uses Chinese documents, but all are available on the Mandarin web. Yet climate change activists continue to blindly give China a free pass on its emissions and continued use of coal.
An ECF spokesperson told me: “Climate change impacts every country and so we work with every country, and of course that includes China.” A CIFF spokesperson added: “China is the world’s largest emitter and its transition to a net zero economy is therefore of utmost importance to the entire world. CIFF’s work in China aims to accelerate this transition.”
ClientEarth said: “As a result of our work delivering legal training, the legal system in China is now used to hold Chinese government bodies to account… We are focused on reducing pollution and bringing down emissions both in China and from its overseas investments.” And a WWF campaigns chief added: “All countries need to contribute towards reducing emissions to net zero by 2050. By promising to stop building coal plants abroad, China had ‘given an important signal’.
Ultimately, however, the meaning of that “signal” remains unclear. Is it a sign that President Xi is seriously committed to saving the planet? Or is it a sign that he understands how to fool an influential group of Western environmentalists, with the intention of making that planet his own?
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SubscribeHopefully the Americans will eventually wake up to the corruption of their politics and the damage being done by the ludicrous ‘women have pen1ses’ delusions and realise that the world is still the Hobbesian place it’s always been.
Don’t worry. They’ll be fine. They eventually corrected the madness of Prohibition. That’s the key advantage of the West – for all the imperfections, Western democracies aren’t locked to an ideology and can learn and adapt.
I find the prophets of Western doom here ludicrous. Wishful thinking.
Down the street from my friend’s house, in a not-so-poor area of the city, a 12 year old just killed his 34 year old neighboor for guns. Crazy thing is, this is not an abnormal ocurrance. No, I do not think we’ll be fine. I don’t think we’ve been fine for a long long time.
I fear it is you that is doing the wishful thinking.
Me, too. I gave you a thumbs up but it’s astounding that 15 other people gave you a thumbs down.
Down the street from my friend’s house, in a not-so-poor area of the city, a 12 year old just killed his 34 year old neighboor for guns. Crazy thing is, this is not an abnormal ocurrance. No, I do not think we’ll be fine. I don’t think we’ve been fine for a long long time.
I fear it is you that is doing the wishful thinking.
Me, too. I gave you a thumbs up but it’s astounding that 15 other people gave you a thumbs down.
Was it Hobbesian before Hobbes?
A nasty, brutish, and short question I must say.
A nasty, brutish, and short question I must say.
Don’t worry. They’ll be fine. They eventually corrected the madness of Prohibition. That’s the key advantage of the West – for all the imperfections, Western democracies aren’t locked to an ideology and can learn and adapt.
I find the prophets of Western doom here ludicrous. Wishful thinking.
Was it Hobbesian before Hobbes?
Hopefully the Americans will eventually wake up to the corruption of their politics and the damage being done by the ludicrous ‘women have pen1ses’ delusions and realise that the world is still the Hobbesian place it’s always been.
Somehow I don’t think people (or countries) will be interested in using the currency of a totalitarian, communist dictatorship as their foreign currency reserve. However, if they want to try, feel free.
To be fair, America has been behaving like financial authoritarians recently too, so I can’t blame people for looking for an alternative.
This has not happened because people are getting idealogical over who has the most moral currency.
This has happened because America has forced these countries, using sanctions and tariffs, into a parallel system.
By sanctioning and refusing to negotiate with russia and at the same time, starting a trade war with China, they put the last nail in the coffin of the petro dollar. My humble opinion.
I agree 100%. Those actions push people away from the dollar. I just don’t see a viable competitor right now for them to embrace. Diversification? Yes. Replacement with a new reserve currency? No.
I wouldn’t like to say. You could be right. Perhaps it’s not so much about how fast or slow the dollar might loose it’s status, it’s more how long can the US take the reshoring of all those dollars before it causes problems in our financial systems?
I wouldn’t like to say. You could be right. Perhaps it’s not so much about how fast or slow the dollar might loose it’s status, it’s more how long can the US take the reshoring of all those dollars before it causes problems in our financial systems?
Since when have greedy money men been ideological, or moral?
Well there is the fact that the system hasn’t exactly been run very well or even run according to basic economics as far as I can tell. Everything is a mess. And yes, trade and money rarely come down to idealogy, we need trade and money to live. Not idealogical really, just necessary.
Well there is the fact that the system hasn’t exactly been run very well or even run according to basic economics as far as I can tell. Everything is a mess. And yes, trade and money rarely come down to idealogy, we need trade and money to live. Not idealogical really, just necessary.
I agree 100%. Those actions push people away from the dollar. I just don’t see a viable competitor right now for them to embrace. Diversification? Yes. Replacement with a new reserve currency? No.
Since when have greedy money men been ideological, or moral?
This has not happened because people are getting idealogical over who has the most moral currency.
This has happened because America has forced these countries, using sanctions and tariffs, into a parallel system.
By sanctioning and refusing to negotiate with russia and at the same time, starting a trade war with China, they put the last nail in the coffin of the petro dollar. My humble opinion.
Somehow I don’t think people (or countries) will be interested in using the currency of a totalitarian, communist dictatorship as their foreign currency reserve. However, if they want to try, feel free.
To be fair, America has been behaving like financial authoritarians recently too, so I can’t blame people for looking for an alternative.
Hopefully everybody realises that the world is many countries and we all have to cooperate. Between our selfs for the good of humanity ,so de-dollarisation is good for the world
Hopefully everybody realises that the world is many countries and we all have to cooperate. Between our selfs for the good of humanity ,so de-dollarisation is good for the world
The settlement currency is only important if the surplus funds are left in it boosting reserves in that currency. It will bring a spot light on the best reserve currency, a balance between stable exchange rates and interest rates.
The settlement currency is only important if the surplus funds are left in it boosting reserves in that currency. It will bring a spot light on the best reserve currency, a balance between stable exchange rates and interest rates.
Considering its backing government is a totalitarian communist dictatorship with a lousy track record of keeping its promises, I have a hard time seeing wealthy individuals, corporations, or governments wanting to hold the bulk of their foreign currency reserves in yuan. Being a reserve currency is more about politics than economics. Short of a unipolar Chinese world (which is highly unlikely due to China’s demographics) the yuan will be a short-term vehicle only.
However, that doesn’t mean those same people aren’t looking fo diversify from the dollar, and to be blunt, the Euro looks pretty good right now. Never thought I would say those words, but it has weathering two major downturns, the near bankruptcy of 3 member states, and a public health emergency. Could the Euro replace the dollar? Maybe.
As far as Britain is concerned, they’re on a long downhill ride to oblivion at this point. https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7572d359298eebabdb76caac486129f7 The pound lost 70% of its value over 50 years, and has never recovered. It likely never will. As this article mentions, England is sucking on the teet of London’s foreign banking system. For the British pound to recover would require England to decide it wants to actually produce something again, and develop an industrial policy to accomplish that goal. Singapore on the Thames is a pipe dream.
The survival of the euro is entirely dependent on the willingness of the Germans to continue to subsidise the French, Italian, Spanish and Greek economies to the detriment of their own.
It seems unlikely that the French, having lived beyond their means and at someone else’s expense (including ours) since the nineteen sixties, will change their behaviour any time soon.
Consequently the hidden imbalances in Europe’s settlement systems will continue to grow for the foreseeable future until it is no longer possible to pretend and extend. At which point …
Interesting. I would not have put France in that list.
Germany has done very well out of the Euro system.. without it no other EU country could afford to buy German cars or any German manufactured goods for that matter.. subsidising other EU countries is a small price to pay.
The German car industry’s most profitable market by far is the UK, due to our unique leasing and other systems: the OEM car manufacturers can issue bonds to finance, and charge the UK car finance buyer on a profit of £3 for every £1 financed… so 300% profit: the car actual price/ margin is almost irrelevant! BMW GmbH call UK ” Fairy Godmother”!
Very true, but worse. they must have known that allowing Greece and other similar weaker economies to join would allow their governments the opportunity to borrow using the Euro credit card at levels that would otherwise be unimaginable that mon to be spend on German, and to a lesser extent French, industrial products.
The German car industry’s most profitable market by far is the UK, due to our unique leasing and other systems: the OEM car manufacturers can issue bonds to finance, and charge the UK car finance buyer on a profit of £3 for every £1 financed… so 300% profit: the car actual price/ margin is almost irrelevant! BMW GmbH call UK ” Fairy Godmother”!
Very true, but worse. they must have known that allowing Greece and other similar weaker economies to join would allow their governments the opportunity to borrow using the Euro credit card at levels that would otherwise be unimaginable that mon to be spend on German, and to a lesser extent French, industrial products.
Interesting. I would not have put France in that list.
Germany has done very well out of the Euro system.. without it no other EU country could afford to buy German cars or any German manufactured goods for that matter.. subsidising other EU countries is a small price to pay.
The survival of the euro is entirely dependent on the willingness of the Germans to continue to subsidise the French, Italian, Spanish and Greek economies to the detriment of their own.
It seems unlikely that the French, having lived beyond their means and at someone else’s expense (including ours) since the nineteen sixties, will change their behaviour any time soon.
Consequently the hidden imbalances in Europe’s settlement systems will continue to grow for the foreseeable future until it is no longer possible to pretend and extend. At which point …
Considering its backing government is a totalitarian communist dictatorship with a lousy track record of keeping its promises, I have a hard time seeing wealthy individuals, corporations, or governments wanting to hold the bulk of their foreign currency reserves in yuan. Being a reserve currency is more about politics than economics. Short of a unipolar Chinese world (which is highly unlikely due to China’s demographics) the yuan will be a short-term vehicle only.
However, that doesn’t mean those same people aren’t looking fo diversify from the dollar, and to be blunt, the Euro looks pretty good right now. Never thought I would say those words, but it has weathering two major downturns, the near bankruptcy of 3 member states, and a public health emergency. Could the Euro replace the dollar? Maybe.
As far as Britain is concerned, they’re on a long downhill ride to oblivion at this point. https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7572d359298eebabdb76caac486129f7 The pound lost 70% of its value over 50 years, and has never recovered. It likely never will. As this article mentions, England is sucking on the teet of London’s foreign banking system. For the British pound to recover would require England to decide it wants to actually produce something again, and develop an industrial policy to accomplish that goal. Singapore on the Thames is a pipe dream.
Remarkable how a down-vote bot has consumed the comments! Stunning, I might say engineered.
Remarkable how a down-vote bot has consumed the comments! Stunning, I might say engineered.
Everything is fine.
Everything is fine.
The CCP strategy, and reaction of likes of Brazil, does assume conflict in the South China doesn’t close off export routes and set off a massive world recession – at which point the Dollar, or Euro perhaps, is much safer option. Brazil is assuming all it’s trade across the Pacific or around the Cape of GH remains unaffected. Problematic assumption if you are dealing with a totalitarian regime and their track records in ensuring long term stability in their regions.
As Article implies and some comments reinforce US has a history of being v hard nosed about Dollar supremacy. Ask JMK and what it took to get post WW2 loans to the UK. So they’ll respond and already are in many ways.
V interested though in how the Euro may emerge from this, and of course the long view on the Euro debate within the UK 20+ years ago referred to this potential squeeze. That boat sailed some time ago of course, but it’s moment like this that leave one pondering the balance of that decision and what it may look like to future economic Historians. Too early to tell for now, but not sure the UK’s more recent track record in big long term strategic decisions inspires great confidence.
The CCP strategy, and reaction of likes of Brazil, does assume conflict in the South China doesn’t close off export routes and set off a massive world recession – at which point the Dollar, or Euro perhaps, is much safer option. Brazil is assuming all it’s trade across the Pacific or around the Cape of GH remains unaffected. Problematic assumption if you are dealing with a totalitarian regime and their track records in ensuring long term stability in their regions.
As Article implies and some comments reinforce US has a history of being v hard nosed about Dollar supremacy. Ask JMK and what it took to get post WW2 loans to the UK. So they’ll respond and already are in many ways.
V interested though in how the Euro may emerge from this, and of course the long view on the Euro debate within the UK 20+ years ago referred to this potential squeeze. That boat sailed some time ago of course, but it’s moment like this that leave one pondering the balance of that decision and what it may look like to future economic Historians. Too early to tell for now, but not sure the UK’s more recent track record in big long term strategic decisions inspires great confidence.
The US will not allow dedollarisation to gain momentum. They have ways of making life difficult for those who fail to “get with the program”.
They certainly used to,not so much anymore
Indeed. It could already be argued that as the US no longer even bothers to pretend its debt is anchored to its economic capacity that the dollar is propped up by nothing more than the projection of its overwhelming, debt-fueled military power. But that is how empires crash.
I agree with you. But it will get messy, especially when compounded with their internal rot.
I agree with you. But it will get messy, especially when compounded with their internal rot.
If you replace the word “have” with “had” I’ll agree with you; but the game is up..
They certainly used to,not so much anymore
Indeed. It could already be argued that as the US no longer even bothers to pretend its debt is anchored to its economic capacity that the dollar is propped up by nothing more than the projection of its overwhelming, debt-fueled military power. But that is how empires crash.
If you replace the word “have” with “had” I’ll agree with you; but the game is up..
The US will not allow dedollarisation to gain momentum. They have ways of making life difficult for those who fail to “get with the program”.
Europe already knows just what partnership with China means. China completely gutted the European telecoms equipment industry which had several world leading players up to the 1990s. The US is far from perfect, but I’d trust them any day over the CCP.
Of course, the EU might still decide that being more independent of the US is worth the greater dependency on China. But they’d be fools to do so. Note that the US is still underwriting European defence.
The author mentions the political and economic motivation for creating the Euro – and then fails to ask the obvious question: why would the EU accept a Yuan-based trading regime when it has the Euro ? Is there something wrong with the Euro he omitted to mention ?
Anyway, we’ve been here before, haven’t we ? US/West vs Comecon throughout the Cold War. No brainer.
‘To be a enemy of the US can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal.’
H. KISSENGER.
Up to the present the UK never fully realised that – but it will learn at enormous cost in the future.
What utter nonsense. We’ve been an ally of the USA for over 100 years. Show me a better ally ? Apart, that is from NZ, Australia and Canada.
The list of how the US has f*****d over the UK is so long it is difficult to know where to being.
The UK has been an ally to the US but rarely has the US been an ally to the UK. Starting before the end of WWI the objective of the US was to break then supplant the UK as a global power and this continued well after the WW2
I really don’t want to be nasty, but if the US hadn’t allied itself at enormous cost in blood and treasure, Europe, and particularly the UK’, survival would render your resentment moot.
The US did nothing except out of self interest.
It threw in its lot with the Allies in the First World War because it had lent so much money to the Allies it could not afford them to loose. The US military contribution was negligible and it profited hugely for supplying the Allies.
If I remember correctly America joined the Second World War because they were invited to do so by Japan and Germany declared war on them.
Until this point American corporations had been doing very nicely and out of Germany. And as for lend lease, this is what Keynes had to say “[Morgenthau is] stripping us of our liquid assets to the greatest extent possible before the Lend Lease Bill comes into operation, so as to leave us with the minimum in hand to meet during the rest of the war the numerous obligations which will not be covered by the Lend Lease Bill. . . . [He is] treat[ing] us worse than we have ever ourselves thought it proper to treat the humblest and least responsible Balkan country.”
The victor gets to write the history. Given the lies we have been told of Iraq, Ukraine, Syria how can we assume what we were told about WW2 is true and do we even know the right side won WW2.
The US did nothing except out of self interest.
It threw in its lot with the Allies in the First World War because it had lent so much money to the Allies it could not afford them to loose. The US military contribution was negligible and it profited hugely for supplying the Allies.
If I remember correctly America joined the Second World War because they were invited to do so by Japan and Germany declared war on them.
Until this point American corporations had been doing very nicely and out of Germany. And as for lend lease, this is what Keynes had to say “[Morgenthau is] stripping us of our liquid assets to the greatest extent possible before the Lend Lease Bill comes into operation, so as to leave us with the minimum in hand to meet during the rest of the war the numerous obligations which will not be covered by the Lend Lease Bill. . . . [He is] treat[ing] us worse than we have ever ourselves thought it proper to treat the humblest and least responsible Balkan country.”
The victor gets to write the history. Given the lies we have been told of Iraq, Ukraine, Syria how can we assume what we were told about WW2 is true and do we even know the right side won WW2.
US certainly been hard nosed with the UK on occasions, and it’s interests come first.
But how about you go across to Pointe Du Hoc cemetery in Normandy at some point and just have a quiet walk around?
Why should I remotely care about the cemetery at Ponte Du Hoc.
As I have said elsewhere America joined the Second World War because they were invited to do so by Japan and Germany declared war on them.
Also the American contribution in terms of blood and treasure was negligible compared to the price paid by the UK.
In fact for the US WW2 has to be one of the most profitable exercises any country has ever undertaken.
My heart bleeds for the US it really does
Why should I remotely care about the cemetery at Ponte Du Hoc.
As I have said elsewhere America joined the Second World War because they were invited to do so by Japan and Germany declared war on them.
Also the American contribution in terms of blood and treasure was negligible compared to the price paid by the UK.
In fact for the US WW2 has to be one of the most profitable exercises any country has ever undertaken.
My heart bleeds for the US it really does
I really don’t want to be nasty, but if the US hadn’t allied itself at enormous cost in blood and treasure, Europe, and particularly the UK’, survival would render your resentment moot.
US certainly been hard nosed with the UK on occasions, and it’s interests come first.
But how about you go across to Pointe Du Hoc cemetery in Normandy at some point and just have a quiet walk around?
..doesn’t follow it will continue.. on the up fine, but as the US declines it will drop friends that are of no further use, ie as it applies ‘America First’ policies..
The list of how the US has f*****d over the UK is so long it is difficult to know where to being.
The UK has been an ally to the US but rarely has the US been an ally to the UK. Starting before the end of WWI the objective of the US was to break then supplant the UK as a global power and this continued well after the WW2
..doesn’t follow it will continue.. on the up fine, but as the US declines it will drop friends that are of no further use, ie as it applies ‘America First’ policies..
I fear you are correct.. an enemy will be on its guard but a friend lets its guard down and is easily gutted!
There was a US ‘America First’ campaign all the way up to 1941. 80 years on…
The isolationist stream in the US not new at all, but when rhetoric meets realpolitik some things appear to have a v strong track record.
There was a US ‘America First’ campaign all the way up to 1941. 80 years on…
The isolationist stream in the US not new at all, but when rhetoric meets realpolitik some things appear to have a v strong track record.
What a load of tosh. Clearly you never got taught even the basic landscape of 20thC history.
US has made foreign policy mistakes, painfully so on a number of key occasions. But it’s also secured the freedom of the western world too. We’d all be either under National Socialist, Communist or some other Totalitarian heirs otherwise.
The list of how the US has f*****d over the UK is so long it is difficult to know where to being. The UK has been an ally to the US but rarely has the US been an ally to the UK. Starting before the end of WWI the objective of the US was to break then supplant the UK as a global power and this continued well after the WW2
The list of how the US has f*****d over the UK is so long it is difficult to know where to being. The UK has been an ally to the US but rarely has the US been an ally to the UK. Starting before the end of WWI the objective of the US was to break then supplant the UK as a global power and this continued well after the WW2
What utter nonsense. We’ve been an ally of the USA for over 100 years. Show me a better ally ? Apart, that is from NZ, Australia and Canada.
I fear you are correct.. an enemy will be on its guard but a friend lets its guard down and is easily gutted!
What a load of tosh. Clearly you never got taught even the basic landscape of 20thC history.
US has made foreign policy mistakes, painfully so on a number of key occasions. But it’s also secured the freedom of the western world too. We’d all be either under National Socialist, Communist or some other Totalitarian heirs otherwise.
The current generation of EU leaders think that history ended in 1989. Europe will continue to flounder until they are replaced by a new generation with a more realistic world view.
…when they extract themselves from under the US jackboot and grow a backbone.
…when they extract themselves from under the US jackboot and grow a backbone.
Your opening paragraph suggests it’s better to be invaded than outcompeted.. I’m not convinced. If European electronics couldn’t keep pace they only have themselves to blame.
I have no idea what you’re talking about. There’s nothing about invasion there.
You clearly haven’t understood what I was saying, but never mind. It’s hardly the first time. And sadly probably not the last. For the record, the European companies were competitive. The Chinese made progress through a combination of IP theft, technology gain through forced joint ventures (Western companies at fault here), state subsidies and dumping.
So right PB.
As we awaken to what the CCP techno-totalitarians have been doing to undermine us it will, and already has, reaffirm the historical importance of our alliance and relationship with the US. Not all marriages are ‘Moon in June’ all the time, but nothing bonds folks like a common, malign and dangerous threat.
It was not just China. You can also include Taiwan
So right PB.
As we awaken to what the CCP techno-totalitarians have been doing to undermine us it will, and already has, reaffirm the historical importance of our alliance and relationship with the US. Not all marriages are ‘Moon in June’ all the time, but nothing bonds folks like a common, malign and dangerous threat.
It was not just China. You can also include Taiwan
I have no idea what you’re talking about. There’s nothing about invasion there.
You clearly haven’t understood what I was saying, but never mind. It’s hardly the first time. And sadly probably not the last. For the record, the European companies were competitive. The Chinese made progress through a combination of IP theft, technology gain through forced joint ventures (Western companies at fault here), state subsidies and dumping.
‘To be a enemy of the US can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal.’
H. KISSENGER.
Up to the present the UK never fully realised that – but it will learn at enormous cost in the future.
The current generation of EU leaders think that history ended in 1989. Europe will continue to flounder until they are replaced by a new generation with a more realistic world view.
Your opening paragraph suggests it’s better to be invaded than outcompeted.. I’m not convinced. If European electronics couldn’t keep pace they only have themselves to blame.
Europe already knows just what partnership with China means. China completely gutted the European telecoms equipment industry which had several world leading players up to the 1990s. The US is far from perfect, but I’d trust them any day over the CCP.
Of course, the EU might still decide that being more independent of the US is worth the greater dependency on China. But they’d be fools to do so. Note that the US is still underwriting European defence.
The author mentions the political and economic motivation for creating the Euro – and then fails to ask the obvious question: why would the EU accept a Yuan-based trading regime when it has the Euro ? Is there something wrong with the Euro he omitted to mention ?
Anyway, we’ve been here before, haven’t we ? US/West vs Comecon throughout the Cold War. No brainer.
If the EU wants to trust their economy to a bunch of totalitarian, self interested and genocidal thugs they are even more stupid and short sighted than anyone thought
The problem is that they have already done just that and are looking to China to restore some semblance of normality away from their colonial oppressor across the Atlantic.
When you refer to ‘a bunch of totalitarian self interested thugs’ I presume you’re talking about the Almighty USofA.
You spent anytime working, writing, voicing opinions etc in China? Gone to a ballot box in China when you are fed up with who’s in charge? Read a critical editorial in any Chinese paper? Sought justice in a CCP court of law? etc etc.
Juvenile comments obviously just make the exponent look, well… juvenile.
You spent anytime working, writing, voicing opinions etc in China? Gone to a ballot box in China when you are fed up with who’s in charge? Read a critical editorial in any Chinese paper? Sought justice in a CCP court of law? etc etc.
Juvenile comments obviously just make the exponent look, well… juvenile.
..are you referring to the Chinese or the Americans?
The problem is that they have already done just that and are looking to China to restore some semblance of normality away from their colonial oppressor across the Atlantic.
When you refer to ‘a bunch of totalitarian self interested thugs’ I presume you’re talking about the Almighty USofA.
..are you referring to the Chinese or the Americans?
If the EU wants to trust their economy to a bunch of totalitarian, self interested and genocidal thugs they are even more stupid and short sighted than anyone thought