People who have nothing to lose are dangerous (ANGELOS TZORTZINIS/AFP via Getty Images)

Are we living in a tragic age? One of the words most used about climate change — catastrophe — comes to us from the ancient Greek tragedy. It means a sudden crisis or turnabout, which is not a bad way of describing the melting of the polar icecaps. As for the virus, the ancient Greeks knew a thing or two about plague. It was by ridding his city of pestilence that Oedipus was appointed king. Perhaps the Queen should take over from Chris Whitty.
Tragedy recalls us to a sense of our fragility, but also of our value. We wouldn’t mourn for creatures we didn’t regard as precious. Not many of us are devastated by the death of a flea. A cynic is unlikely to lose sleep over Covid deaths in Indonesia.
If we are living through a tragedy, it is a collective one. The Greeks would have understood this too: the point of the Chorus, a bunch of ordinary citizens who sing and dance their way through the tragic drama, is to socialise the disaster, making it more than just the affair of a few patrician figures. Even so, you couldn’t have a cook or a cobbler as the hero, since their lives weren’t considered important enough. Those who fall from the greatest height make the biggest splash.
The death of Achilles or Agamemnon is a momentous event which sends shockwaves through the public realm, whereas the passing of a slave is private. It has no more significance than the killing of a flea. It doesn’t count as a historical event. Back then you couldn’t have a tragedy called Death of a Salesman, even if there had been salesmen in ancient Athens. It would be as bizarre as calling your play The Fall of Troy: A Farce in Three Acts.
None of this class distinction survived the emergence of mass democracy — a political idea which, ironically, was born in ancient Greece. In the 20th century, by far the bloodiest hundred years on record, tragedy became universal. Once you develop weapons like bombs, you globalise suffering and lamentation. As the tattered old cliché has it, we really are all in this together. You just have to take anyone from the street and push them to their limit. You can even have a tragedy about plumbing, as in Ibsen’s An Enemy of the People.
One of the ancient Greeks’ deepest fears is of hubris — the pride or presumption which leads you to overreach yourself and bring yourself to nothing. When the citizens of Thebes or Athens observed such arrogance they trembled and looked fearfully to the skies, aware that it would have its comeuppance. A species which dominates and destroys its natural habitat in the name of power and acquisition is now reaping the fruits of its overreaching.
Those like King Lear who would be everything must be taught the lesson that humanity is nothing — frail, sickeningly vulnerable and driven by animal need. Kings must be reduced to vagrants, as Lear wanders the heath with fools and madmen. Once you acknowledge that you’re nothing, you have a chance of becoming something — but only, like Lear or Oedipus, by being hauled through hell. For Lear, this repentance comes too late to prevent his death. Whether this will prove true of humanity as a whole remains to be seen. It isn’t looking good.
The problem is that hubris is built into the human species. Because we live not just in a physical world but a world of meaning, we are able to overreach ourselves all the time. Our bodies can build themselves a prosthesis known as civilisation. Technology is an extension of our bodies, but one that can escape our mastery. Badgers and squirrels by contrast, can’t create weapons of mass destruction, unless they’re being very furtive about it. They can’t extend very far outside themselves. They aren’t universal creatures, unless squirrels in California are somehow in touch with squirrels in the Ukraine.
This inability to overreach themselves means that they can’t blow themselves up, but neither can they read Marcel Proust. This is because they don’t have language; but this lack of language or developed concepts is also what keeps them safe from nuclear warfare. (One might make an exception here for dolphins, who after a few lessons might be able to write as well as Jacob Rees-Mogg).
Being a linguistic animal is both a blessing and a curse. In fact, the ancient term “sacred” means both. Because human beings live in a richly developed conceptual world, they can create things which are in danger of slipping from their control and taking on a tyrannical life of their own. Yet having language also means that they can be closer to each other than mere physical contact. They can share their inner lives with each other. Love relationships consist mainly in talking, unless I’m missing out on something.
Civilisation, so Freud claims, is a product of Eros, meaning the creative drives as a whole. There is, however, a problem. Eros is not the only source of civilisation. In order to build bridges and cathedrals, you also need to harness the power of Eros’s old enemy, Thanatos, or the death drive. The death drive for Freud is turned outwards and used to subjugate Nature. Only in this way can cities and social orders be built. Thanatos, however, is a notoriously unreliable servant. It doesn’t want to subjugate things; it wants to tear them to pieces in an orgy of obscene enjoyment. So the very force which is intended to overcome chaos is secretly in love with it. Anarchy lies at the very heart of authority.
Tragic figures aren’t exactly guilty, but they aren’t exactly innocent either. If they were deep-dyed villains, they would forfeit our sympathy and we would be indifferent to their fate. Napoleon may have been a tragic figure, but Hitler wasn’t. Yet tragic heroes aren’t blameless, because the tragic crisis results from their own actions, however little they may intend it.
Oedipus, who has been described as a “guilty innocent”, doesn’t mean to kill his father and marry his mother, but he contributes without knowing it to a network of cause and effect which causes these things to occur. His own past actions return to plague him in alien form. “We are neither the innocent nor the wicked,” remarks the protagonist of William Golding’s novel Free Fall. “We are the guilty. We fall down. We crawl on hands and knees. We weep and tear each other.”
It is just the same with climate change, which nobody ever intended but which is the consequence of billions of individual acts. Nobody ever turned the ignition key in their car or heaped a shovelful of coal on the fire with the idea of wiping out the human race. As Inspector Clouseau might say, no-one is guilty and everyone is guilty.
It’s the same with the Christian idea of original sin, which means that we are sinful but not responsible for it. In the tangled web of human actions and relationships, you can’t move without hurting someone somewhere. Our actions spin out of control and breed monstrous consequences which can come to dominate our own lives. The ancient Greeks knew all about Marx’s concept of alienation. It’s just that they gave it the name of Fate. We are weaving our own inescapable destiny all the time, and doing so through actions which are genuinely free.
The good news is that free action to avert total collapse is still possible for us, if only just. We can take heart from the fact that not all stage tragedies end badly. The first great piece of tragic art we have, Aeschylus’s Oresteia, ends on a positive note. The blind, beggarly Oedipus is finally gathered to the gods, while Shakespearian tragedy usually ends with the tentative emergence of new life. We come away from many a tragic drama remembering the dignity or defiance of those who go to their deaths, not just their agonies. A tragedy isn’t always a piece of theatre which ends in total ruin. It’s a situation in which you have to be broken and remade if you’re to have any chance of redemption, and even then there are no guarantees. As the poet W.B. Yeats writes, “Nothing can be whole or sole/That has not been rent.”
We shall, for instance, weather Covid, but not reducing the planet to flood and desert is a different matter. To avoid that, we shall need to renounce the urge to power and possession which has driven us so far, and learn instead to live like the birds of the air and the lilies of the field. That means undoing an awfully long history, and history is what we mostly are made of.
It’s true that people will do extraordinary things if the only alternative is to die. Certainly nothing short of such an alternative will cause governments and the transnational corporations to abandon their death-dealing habits. But people will also do extraordinary things if they think they are going to die anyway, such as murder, rape, loot and hunt for vengeance.
We haven’t thought enough about what kind of existence we will have if doom becomes unavoidable. People who have nothing to lose are dangerous. I wouldn’t like to be a racist cop if those I’ve beaten and humiliated know they can hang me from a lamp post without being put away for twenty years because the world won’t last that long. One thing is for sure: being broken and remade rules out mere reformism. Reformism wouldn’t have kept Lear alive, and it won’t keep us alive either.
Terry Eagleton is a visiting professor in English at Lancaster University.
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SubscribePeople may be interested in to know that in the recent ‘mock elections’ held in Swedish high schools every election year — which is a big thing around here — the Swedish youth are voting right wing. Moderaterna (i.e. mainstream right) got the most votes, with the Swedish Democrats getting the second most.
The new government (the real one) got rid of the Ministry of the Environment, and have a new Ministry of Climate and Business. It’s headed by Romina Pourmokhtari, who at 26 is the youngest Minister ever. She is from the Liberal Party, (which isn’t left wing here, though they used to be pro immigration) and used to head their Youth Organisation. (All political parties here have a youth organisation.) In her first after her appointment she said that in her opinion environmental issues “had been given too much weight” in previous governments. “If we want to solve climate issues, it’s about transforming industry and the transport sector.”This is a pro-growth, pro-export, and pro-lots-of-new-Swedish-technologies Minister talking.
So don’t believe it when the media starts talking about Greta Thurnberg as the spokeswoman for her generation. Around here, her generation mostly isn’t buying it.
Children taught the principles of Classical Liberalism will overwhelmingly choose Liberty every time, which is why Leftists so diligently set about gaining control of global schools and eradicating it from any and all discussions. No form of totalitarianism, no matter what banner it hides under, can ever win the war of ideas on a level playing field.
Greta Thunberg is an unfortunate victim of child abuse, an autistic child indoctrinated to spew leftist propaganda.
Oh please. This is an adult responsible for her own actions.
Her and her lot would have us all back in the middle ages as serfs if they could. Anyone ever seen her attempt to answer questions without a script? – she doesn’t have a clue.
I disagree. She does have a clue. Those who write in the comments on Unherd have a lot of knowledge, both historical and scientific. I am a scientist of the old school where science was funded by the government and, so, was less amenable to taking bribes. I have many ideas and thoughts about a huge number of subjects. But nobody listens to me.
Greta has basically one thought about one subject and she is known all over the world. She is a celebrity – more than a celebrity. Therefore, she knows a great deal more than me and more than anyone who contributes to these columns.
She is a celebrity — more than a celebrity, therefore she knows a great deal more than anyone….
Because of course celebrities know more than the rest of us little peons.
Logic fail.
I appreciate your sarcasm, too many have missed the point.
Fifty-six more than caught the irony, at current levels.
Her propaganda message certainly resonates with you, Comrade!
IRONY, folks!
so is this https://www.instagram.com/p/B9qPMhUHCvo/ and it was aimed at many influencers exposing them as hacks, shills and charlatans.
picture sarcasm with a dangerous ring of truth to it.
So very misunderstood..!
These 55 dislikes (at the time of writing) ought to be read as 55 likes for sure..!
IRONY folks.. wrote another comment.. so rightly..!
I have an impression that people are so angry about Grettaisms, that even a hint of a supposedly support lights a red signal..!
So let us see a positive side to this strange effect..!
You can‘t be a scientist, if you think a celebrity knows more than anyone who contributes to these columns. How do you assume what people do for a living or how informed they are about this subject. Greta is a puppet, who reads the scripts of certain scientists, especially those of the Potsdam Institut in Germany.
Of course, government ministers are well known for their incorruptibility, just as government programs are famous for efficiency and cost control.
Middle Ages for you and me.. Good Greta will be part of the ruling class and enjoy all the comforts of modern society.
Oh for heaven’s sake why do we care? This woman isn’t even an idiot savant, just an idiot.
‘Growth’ can just as easily mean doing more with less, FFS.
Could do, but doesn’t
“Could do, but doesn’t” he writes, whilst performing in seconds a task that, 100 years ago, would have required several man hours of labour.
Respectfully, I disagree. Those that champion Thunberg and those who detract from her both, I think overstate her agency. She is ultimately a classic social movement activist and little per se is new about her – that much is I think true.
But she absolutely is a cautionary tale about activism in a social media age.
As she was seen at intergovernmental organisations and spoke with real politicians so she had a kind of media-legitimising effect. When I was young eco activists smashed up places to stop intergovernmentals meeting, now they applaud as Greta walks through the door.
We – we meaning institutions like society at large, newspapers of record and our officialdom – care because she has become something she should never have become: a source of legitimacy. That of course shows the extent of the decay in our politics and our leadership – that our leaders are reduced to lionising kids off social media. It is notable that Thunberg never found a receptive audience in China.
We should care not for her activism perhaps, but because she is a cautionary tale about decay in western politics and we should all take that dead serious.
I don’t think we disagree. You’re saying we should care about her because we care about her, and that’s a dangerous phenomenon. No argument with that – it’s terrifying. I’m just saying we shouldn’t care about her.
‘we should care about her because we care about her, and that’s a dangerous phenomenon.’
Indeed – I could not agree more.
RE: When I was young eco activists smashed up places to stop intergovernmentals meeting, now they applaud as Greta walks through the door.
Not just her. When we were young idiotic and/or racist concepts like “anti-racism,” “defund the police,” and “trans women are women” would have been laughed out of the room. Now they’re government policy in many places.
not in the EU…..The EU Commission itself is the most white middle class elitist group of politicians on earth. More akin to Rhodesia in the 60s or Germany in the 30s. When we hear talk of anti-racism it is often directed at – for example – Brexit voters in the UK. Demonised as some kind of bigoted neanderthals. The reality of course being the opposite.
The EU seem to welcome people from Africa but as long as its to low paid jobs and politics they are ok.
It was pretty obvious when she blamed Britain for starting dangerous CO2 emissions with the Industrial Revolution. ( which one when, I wonder). Most CO2 does not remain permanently in the atmosphere. Obviously if it was cumulative we would be seeing a very different climate niw, one similar to that before the Ice Ages. I would add that the climate got awfuljy cold between 1940 and the mid 1970s. Yet the war saw full industrial deployment after the warm Depression years. But she wanted to blame Britain, indhstrialusation, etc, and quotes Michael Mann and his totally discredited theories. The entire western elite could not stand up to an ignorant 16 year old.
Why would they ignore her..? She is a pure product of elite groups and they happily see her evolve as engineered and collect their profit..!
The population of England just before the Black Death has been estimated at about 3.7 million people. It now stands at 57 million.
A visitor from 1348 would be astonished at the density of settlement, the vast size of cities and the sheer number of people. If he went out into the countryside he would see fields being prowled by huge tractors and combine harvesters and sprayed with herbicides and pesticides. Even that doesn’t feed all those people; huge ships come every day to be unloaded at mechanised docks. Millions of tons of food are imported.
I quite like the sound of ‘de-growth’. I’m also attracted to ‘re-wilding’.
The only problem is; which 50 million people are we going to dispense with?
“I quite like the sound of ‘de-growth’. I’m also attracted to ‘re-wilding’.”
I’d sign up to that… I imagine it would take a century or so of careful management to achieve. Unfortunately there are some who would want de-growth now, careless of the consequences. We see them blocking roads or vandalising buildings because they know what’s best for us and they want it now. Which is why I won’t jump on the de-growth bandwagon.
Those people know that de-growth is going to take time. They’re blocking the roads to get us to slow down enough to recognise that we have to start now, just because it will take us that long. It’s obvious that we humans are a creative lot. If we would face this situation without the detritus of distrust and violence, and grabbing and greed, and loss of community connection. If we sat together and sorted through what we needed as communities and what was the best way to make it. We would have started. And that’s all we have to do now.
Insulate Britain:
Expecting the Government to achieve a substantial building project within 3 to 8 years sounds like ‘now’; to me.
According to the Worldometers website the UK is 17th on the list of CO2 emitters, with 1.03%. Sweden is in 63rd place with 0.13%.
Top emitter is China at 29.18%.
What effect does a school strike in Sweden have on China? What reception would Ms Thunberg get if she tried to organise something similar in Beijing?
We could starve and shiver in the dark after turning everything off, and it would make only 1% difference.
Tell it to China, USA and India and perhaps they could make some difference.
Shocking: spontaneous underground coal fires in China release more CO2 each year than entire US transportation sector. So, yeah, that cold shower or two probably won’t move the needle too much…
Type ‘coal seam fire’ into Wikipedia and you’ll see that the US isn’t clean in this respect, either.
I’m angry about Australia, too. They emit 1.13% of the world’s CO2 for a population of just under 23 million people.
An Australian government website says;
You’re angry about 1.13%? What does it matter about population numbers when the amount is inconsequential.
Renewables stand at 18.62% for 2022.
https://www.cleanenergyregulator.gov.au/RET/Scheme-participants-and-industry/the-renewable-power-percentage
Solid point made: sadly, however, “careful management “ has become an oxymoron as of late…
Stop immigration and the 50 million will die of old age in a century and a bit. Given present day reproduction rates in the mathematics of demography, England will have a stable population of 4 million in that time … fact.
That is mathematically true but it ignores the fact that much of the world is getting demograohically both younger and more numerous.
Do what you suggest and we wouldn’t have any young soldiers to defend our borders………………oh.
More than that: if country needs young soldiers to protect it’s borders then country needs not only just young men (brainwashed like Greta) but it needs young men who are sceptical to pacifism, humanism, leftism, multiculturalism … just to be able to serve in army, to defend borders, to shoot, to KILL actually (don’t you know that verb “kill” is absolutely personal unuthinkable to leftist youth like Greta?).
If you have youth which doesn’t believe in all this leftist bullshit and ready to serve in army and ready to kill outsiders to protect THEIR country then this country can hope to protect it’s borders… and probably with such a youth the LBGT ideas will fade and the birth rate of locals will rise and stabilise?
Some nations have such a youth. Poland, for example. Just look a short but brilliant video (15 min) made by one young Pole and feel how far the idea of that movie from the novadays obligatory humanism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAqgV9RDeR4
You have hit the nail squarely on the head! All of those “extra” souls above the minimal levels of subsistence farming made possible by the development of energy-on-demand technologies and the utilization of excess stored energy. With each advancement, the work-replacing devices get lighter and more powerful/capable. The energy density of gasoline is 80x greater than the very best batteries (compare curb weight of a Tesla to comparable Honda! Lugging that extra 1000lbs around will come at a cost…) If we collectively decide to abandon the use of excess stored energy, we also abandon all hope for all those extra souls who were born because of it.
The policy of the BBC and the wider UK media, and of course many activists groups, would be to dispense with white British Citizens. Apparently they are a problem.
To quote Ko-Ko-san, “I’ve got a little list.”
So we now follow the advice of a girl with scant basic school education, who has never actually done a proper days work in her life, but has happily taken all the benefits from those little people who worked and paid taxes, such that she could be brought up in a society which provided her with healthcare, a free (and wasted ) education, clean , and free from starvation and disease. No longer a child, just a very mouthy and opinionated woman, who has contributed zilch to the lives of others, and now seeks to dictate and impoverish those who provided her with the life she leads,
What a fine example
Anyone who thought this celebrity truant was somehow apolitical until now, wasn’t paying attention.
This Cabbage Patch Kid of Climate Catastrophism has always been the creature of people (her parents among them) with a deeply political and pernicious agenda.
I had hoped she had been quietly forgotten, as she deserves to be.
As Sunak and Starmer agree to meet in the middle on most major issues, there is a gap somewhere far left of the Greens that is waiting to be filled. I heard George Montbiot on the BBC this morning pushing a similar anti-growth polemic, which will be lapped up by the young and the naive trendy oldies.
With the Labour Party abandoning any pretence to be of the left – on the same BBC programme I heard the Shadow Home Secretary seeming to berate the Tories for not being hardline enough on illegal immigration – this is fertile ground for someone younger and more plausible than Corbyn.
How long until there is a new political movement, grabbing votes from all the major political parties on an anti-growth, redistributive platform that ignores the need for wealth creators? It will probably lead to economic disaster, but isn’t that kind of the idea? We all get to live in misery on an equal basis?
Is England not already in the midst of an economic disaster?
i don’t see sufficient evidence/data to support that view … so any link to an objective data source would be welcomed – as would a clear definition of “economic disaster”.
OK heres a list: energy crisis, diesel crisis this is the basis of our whole economy we are in a crisis! Wake up!
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Europes-Natural-Gas-Shortage-Could-Trigger-A-Food-Crisis.html
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/LNG-Freight-Rates-Hit-Record-High-As-Europe-Races-To-Secure-Gas.html
https://energynow.com/2022/03/column-global-diesel-shortage-pushes-oil-prices-higher-john-kemp/?amp
Link here click to see UK gas price, select over 10 year period at the bottom of the graph, look at that spike https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/uk-natural-gas
Link here click bottom of graph to see UK electricity price over 5 years obvs same spike: https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/electricity-price
This is where our economic crisis is. Its just about to start catching up with us. Get your candles and your bikes ready.
More, supply chain issues equals economy issues, just saw this:
Commodity trader Trafigura warned that global copper stocks have fallen to record lows, with current inventories enough to supply world consumption for just 4.9 days. Freeport-McMoran was also vocal about shortage risks, stating that the current low prices do not reflect the tightness in the physical market…..
Source: https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/copper
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11379823/Ministers-war-game-emergency-plans-cope-WEEK-LONG-blackouts.html
Quote:
One Whitehall source told the paper: ‘We need to think about how we can help people in advance. The fact they’re talking about it now means they have a real concern it could happen
I really don’t know how people can’t see this is very bad, and coming our way fast. Greta will be the least of your worries anyway.
Of course she has. She always was. Now she is after fame power and money. Lord help us all
Like all good champagne socialists.
How long will it be before she ‘identifies as non-binary’ and becomes ‘they’?
Using a plural pronoun implies a ubiquitous, all-seeing presence that using a singular one does not.
What? How is that even relevant to anything in the article or greta?
Pretty sure the kids more hung up on saving the world tbh. Shame the same can’t be said for you, its pretty easy to sit in your arm chair and slag off a 19 year girl instead of offering constructive conversation though I suppose. Right or wrong at least she is trying, better role model for kids/teenagers than most celebrities I would say, improvement on Britney and the spice girls anyway.
She is not going to cop27. Everyone saying she’s after money power etc. Tbh if she was surely cop is the place to be?
It’s perfectly legit to “slag off” a 19-year-old knownothing who has helped turn even governments into knownothings advocating idiotic and dangerous causes, including, but not limited to, reversing the industrial revolution and thereby also removing all the benefits to humanity of modernity.
Oh my days, really? Which government policy here has she actually influenced then? Pretty sure trump shrugged her off. Our own governments are doing a pretty good job of sending us back pre industrial revolution, see my post above, only 5 days supply of copper left, Europe will suffer blackouts this winter is a question of when, not if. The climate debate is now nearly irrelevant compared to the energy crisis tbh so don’t worry yourself about gretas influence too much. Just seriously guys do we need to descend into namecalling and nastiness? She’s just a kid. That’s written a book with some new ideas. Wow, what a crime against humanity.
She was always one of them.
Smash the system! (Book launch at the RFH).
London’s middle class lefties in a nutshell.
Greta Thunberg may be one of the most famous people in the world, but I don’t know anyone who takes her seriously. Her thoughts are fatuous. The young woman has nothing to add to the world, but thanks to her fame, seems to be able to get past her mental illness to live in the world. Thank God at least for that.
When the media say ‘left’ here, its fair to say they mean ‘far left’ but wont actually say it.
This girl has been pictured in a violent extremist organisations t-shirt – as were her parents. She is a far left activist, and it would be disingenuous not to put her on the extreme left.
She was recently at the BBC with a ‘team’ of people. So the climate activist actually has an entourage that travels around the world with her telling people not to travel around the world.
That is perfect far left behaviour “Do as we do, not as we say”
That’s a shame, I was beginning to have hopes that she’d found some common sense when she said that nuclear should be used rather than fossil fuels when needed. Still, she is very young and a bit more life experience may help there.
Yes let’s all listen to a creepy uneducated school drop out to solve all our problems. Makes perfect sense.
Saint Greta meets Che Guevara: Who’da thunk it?
How is this new news? That has been obvious for a long time, like all the other green aristocracy who imagine themselves presiding over a Net Zero’ed class of car-free energy rationed hoi polloi.
You think she swam from Stockholm, then up the Thames to this event? Nah… me neither.
The author acts as if this is somehow new or a revelation. Thunberg has been a leftist puppet from day one.
These are the sins of the liberal empire. The Left says capitalism, but specifically it’s liberalism and what came out of historically liberal thought that gave us all these gifts.
Ironically in this sense, it’d seem the reason Rishi Sunak avoids COP is the same reason Thunberg discredits it – they don’t believe that (Woke) liberalism will provide the answers – just looking at it from opposite ends. It’s telling how Sunak got an ambivalent reaction for clearly not being Woke from the likes of BBC yet being a minority.
Wokeism is liberalism adapted to its past sins and ready to take the responsibility once again to move the world forward, to gain the trust of people exactly like Thunberg. Therefore it’d be a big loss for Wokeism if it failed to attract and retain her, given Wokeism put so much energy to create her persona in the first place.
Rubbish 100%. True liberals don’t — and shouldn’t — buy into woke nonsense. The two are mutually exclusive.
Is that an actual argument or just wishful thinking?
Gone full commie. And in other news, Peewee Herman announced he is gay.
Whatever she is, she is clueless about any science related to the climate. The rest is blah blah blah. Hur vågar hon?
I know this is a contra to most people’s views, but please hear me out. Greta has gone off on this tack because she is a puppet of the WEF Globalist cabal and dances to their tune. She is talking the Great Reset but what is missed is the rising alternative – not by challenging them – let them introduce CBDCs programmable cash – localised economies will be superior in every way, and will allow those that wish to – living ‘Off-grid’. I write about this concept every week:
https://austrianpeter.substack.com/p/the-financial-jigsaw-part-2-localisation?s=w
AND here is my archive: https://www.theburningplatform.com/author/austrian-peter/
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And profitable?
She is a tool, nothing more, and a very ineffective one. No one cares about her other than the fact that she espoused her faux righteous anger at Trump walking by and not acknowledging her while she was in the middle of her tantrums has become a meme. Oh and the “How dare you!!!” tirade. This is what she’s been reduced to.
Gaiaism disguising itself as AGW/Climate Change is a scam. Always has been. Reject these twerps and keep them from achieving power at all costs.
It is hardly surprising that Greta thinks this way given how closely tied environmental activism has become with the more experimental end of the modern Left.
Is anyone sure that enviro activism isn’t the triumphant product of the more experimental end of the modern Left?
If she takes a step towards the Communist Party, she can be respected!
I’m surprised that anyone would be surprised. It’s axiomatic. Capitalism Kills. I see no hope in achieving any of the COP targets untill either war over fossil fuels or diminished water and food supplies hits the capitalist system so hard they have to change. Greta is right in all she says. She is still the alarm bell, our Cassandra. It’s just that those addicted to capitalism will not listen and will dismiss her now she forces us to look more closely in the mirror.
A look at that face .. those eyes, that posture, that smirk … and it strikes me she must immediately identify as non-binary if she ever wants to get laid.
She resembles Chucky (the doll from the horror film)
also tacky.
But true
That’s very ugly Todd. And sadly typical of a lack of anything more intelligent to say.
tacky
Greta is attacking the psychopathic entity at its heart, the vampire that runs our society and makes us behave like cannibals. Its just too painful for us to admit she is right
Right about what?
Greta is a wonderful young woman with guts and passion. I applaud her. Her country is headed fully far right. Far right and far left end up being the same. Counter productive, counter intelligent, anti-freedom, and anti-life, and in the end very destructive. Greta speaks truth and people are afraid of that truth. The truth is that we’re heading right back into the times of WW11 only potentially worse. This time we already have the Atomic bomb, and maniacs willing to use it. We are a divided and divisive world. Fear and hatred, distrust, greed, abuse, accusation, despair are rife within communities. And we are being manipulated to hate each other. And shooting the messenger is always the first response in times like these.
How dare a young person tell us that we have to change! How dare she see clearly what we refuse to see at all! I don’t think any of us could know anything absolutely, but she has spent a huge amount of her short life, educating herself about the realities of the situation we’ve got ourselves into. And she hasn’t resiled, even when she receives hatred and denigration, and accusation, largely from people generations older than she is. But she doesn’t look away. She faces it all with valour.
Keyboard snippers, sadly, willing to look away, waiting for things to return to ‘normal’, unwilling to even be curious about what our world would like like if we stopped fighting and accusing each other, and distrusting each other, and started to appreciating the the beautiful and unique planet we live on. Which appears to be the only planet we could survive for more than a minute on, let alone thrive on.
Yes, I know. Chirp Chirp Chirp
Hello, really great comment especially liked the part ‘Her country is headed fully far right. Far right and far left end up being the same. Counter productive, counter intelligent, anti-freedom, and anti-life, and in the end very destructive’
This is what I’m worried about too, and it’s evident on this forum that things seem to be creeping way potentially.
I think we do need a major rethink on the way we are going about things, and I think there’s not enough people who realise just how badly things are going for Europe at the moment, so many are so stuck in their comfortable ruts and hung up on arguing old ideology, just like you say. I don’t mind greta bringing something new and radical to the table, why not? Do you down voters all really think capitalism is the answer forever more? You really think the endless stream of plastic and sparkly crap is what we should aspire to? I’m not sure it is. Please feel free to smote me down! Obviously it would have to be done in a way as to not stop everything over night I hate the just stop oil lot just to be clear (funded by American elites and oil barons and this is where it gets sooo murky on these issues this is part of the problem too) . If the energy crisis doesn’t finish capitalism as we know it the fourth industrial revolution will so maybe its time to start talking new ideas. Maybe she has some good points, maybe there’s some really awful ideas but until we discuss them and hash them out who knows? Isn’t that how democracy is supposed to work? Through the power of intelligent non nutter gone too far either way sensible debate? I bet every single person on this thread that has slated her hasn’t read her book. I haven’t so I can’t really pass an opinion.
I was homeschooled for part of my education I cannot tell you how much more time you have to study things you love really in depth in a way that is impossible at school. So I can’t slate her on that either.
I don’t know much about her to be honest but why not let her talk if people want to listen, I do know shes turned my very old skool conservative voting dad from a massive climate change denier that used to swear at green peace adverts into a tree hugger after he heard her on radio 4. Not sure what that says really….but I’ve typed it so it’s going out there
Just had a Google her reason for not going to cop is pretty legit I would say: The Cops are mainly used as an opportunity for leaders and people in power to get attention, using many different kinds of greenwashing,” she said.
The Cop conferences, she added, “are not really meant to change the whole system”, but instead encourage gradual progress.