‘Rising hate against LGBTI’ in Europe could be directly linked to a corresponding increase in the importation of a culture that openly despises LGBTI and in their home countries punish it with death. Yet the progressive left see no issue in its weird support for Islam and its equally weird obsession with identity politics, especially trans.
That is because both support for the alphabet-soup sexual minorities and support for Islam serve the common purpose of destroying the Christian foundations of Western Civilization so that it can be refashioned according to the likes of secular know-it-alls.
This is what happens when governments allow pressure groups to set the agenda.
ralph bell
2 years ago
Very well written illuminating article on how The European Council of Europe is allow undemocratic processes to influence laws based on poor arguments.
Even though I’m not well up on this subject, I think it’s a great article too, and it has given me much to think about.
Also, you may be able to make physical changes to your body, but you will still have whatever combination of chromosomes you were born with. It turns out there are more combinations than XX or XY. Who knew?
There are different combinations, but still two sexes. In most cases it depends on the presence or absence of the Y. So XO (Turner syndrome) is female while XXY (Klinefelter syndrome) is male.
…what Cheryl said…and a heartfelt vote of thanks for the good sense and decency you consistently contribute to this generally toxic and frequently deranged debate. If I ever spot you in a bar, I have every intention of standing you a large one..!
‘it turns out there are more combinations than XX or XY’…very rarely but some folks are determined to hold the majority to ransom on the back of it.
Francis MacGabhann
2 years ago
The more governmental, administrative and state bodies that exist, the more opportunity for people who know better than the rest of us to quietly capture these institutions and use them to ram garbage like this down peoples’ throats. Whatever the problem, more government is never the answer.
Fam Barr
2 years ago
Very timely – I am going through a horrible experience of my 11yr old being bullied by a non-binary 11yr old. The narrative is always the poor trans/non-bi victim but I am learning that these minority groups are quite vicious.
Sorry to hear that. We are all human and the same rules should apply to us all. Identifying into trans or non-bi should make no difference when it comes to how we relate to other people.
…which is why there should be no legal necessity to single out particular characteristics of specific minority groups. The present voracious appetite for crafting more and more dystopian, divisive measures targeting sexual/gender/racial/ et al distinctiveness of an individual are a nonsense when what is actually required is that the present human rights laws be enforced vigorously and appropriately.
Andrea X
2 years ago
I think the problem is that none of this filters through. It is my belief that the VAST majority of the population knows what a woman is and all this is SO far removed from any aspect of real life that even asking the question is… out of the question as it is meaningless and cannot even be conceptualised.
Add to that some obscure European body (and I had never heard of the Council of Europe), and here we are. For whatever reason a fringe group has gained a foothold in the corridors of power and as what they are proposing is that the earth is flat, no-one pays any attention, so they can gain ever more power bit by bit. Then all of a sudden there is a virtuous circle, as the politician find themselves embroiled with the flat earthers (where did they come from again?), So they have to give them more power, but then they ask for more and more and the process continues ever amplified (does this remind anyone of the SNP?)
In Italy a few years ago there was a lot of talking about the so called “gender ideology”. I never really understood what it was, but I suspect it’s exactly what you are describing here. It seems to have gone out of fashion these days, but I don’t know if it is operating in the shadows.
I wonder… Maybe we need a Phyllis Shlafly 😀
The Council of Europe drafted the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) so is not so obscure, although its deliberations are hardly ever publicly reported on. The ECHR has become somewhat controversial in the UK since its provisions were adopted into the UK Human Rights Act by the Blair government. The complaint is that it has been used to stray into areas of daily life never intended by its authors. This is one of them.
I didn’t know this and am very thankful to you for drawing attention to it. We know that this lobby pushes its agenda in through back doors and targeted the human rights movement brother than individual country’s democratic processes. Worrying.
In exactly the same way the nascent EU started with the idea of controlling the production of coal, iron and steel so no country could build very large tanks, again.
…indeed so. They had in mind an immediate history of Genocide…not the right of a bloke (not) in a frock to wander about in a women’s changing room with an erection…which is pretty much exactly what happened in the briefly notorious “Spa” case. About which the TG lobby have now fallen silent, because the perpetrator has been charged with indecent exposure…an offence for which he has previous…
…”its deliberations are hardly ever publicly reported on.” Sounds like a textbook definition of obscurity.
Steve White
2 years ago
The questions that those that insist the fiction of gender identity is real can never answer
IsJessica Yaniv a woman? Is Karen White a woman? Is Barbie Kardashian a woman? Perhaps they are just dangerous predators that self identify as women?
You need to get over this hurdle in order to make a case. I asked this of a Trans Rights Activist in my union and their answer was – yes they are women because they feel it and identify as it.
This is pure fiction in my opinion. It is based on false philosophical ideas and translates into, to feel it is to be it. So you either have to base the feelings on stereotype feelings that you imagine how it feels to be a woman or you believe in a “sexed soul” that we are all born with.
Why this focus on merely human trans rights? There are many of us struggling with anthropomormism..I don’t often confess this as I will be reviled and attacked. But I feel condemned to spend my life in the wrong body…I feel that I am a horse: not any old horse, mark you – I identify as a pure bred Akal Teke stallion (who in their right mind would not covet a coat like that?)
I have felt this way since childhood, prancing and cavorting (in private): a trot, a whinney, a toss of the mane (discretely) in public. Even at that age aware of the vicious discrimination I will face if ever I have the courage to come out…
…anthropomormism… I don’t wish to nag but surely you mean anthropoMormonism?
Mark Goodge
2 years ago
I don’t have any problem with gender identity being a protected characteristic in discrimination law. It’s broadly analogous to other indentity-based protected characteristics, such as sexuality and religion, and few people have a problem with those.
What does seem odd to me, though, is the extent to which the campaign for recognition of gender identity as a protected characteristic and the rights associated with that has morphed into a campaign to denigrate and downplay sex as a protected characteristic and the rights associated with that.
It seems blindingly obvious to me that sex and gender identity are not the same thing, just as sex and sexuality are not the same thing. Just because you possess a male body does not mean that you are necessarily sexually aroused by a female body. We’ve moved on from the idea that men can only fancy women, and vice versa. And rightly so. And just because you possess a male body does not mean that you necessarily identify as a man.
However, male-bodied people who are attracted to other male-bodied people are still male. Recognising that is a key aspect of gay rights. We no longer believe that being gay is a sign of effeminacy. We do not, as is still the case in some places, insist on treating gay men as if they were women, because “real men” aren’t gay.
And the same applies to gender identity. Your identity does not change your biology. A male-bodied person who identifies as other than a man is still biologically male. And, while their identity can, and should, be protected by law from abuse and discrimination, it does not negate their right – or anybody else’s right – to also be protected from discrimination and abuse on the grounds of their biological sex.
Treating sex and gender as interchangeable has the potential for all sorts of undesirable outcomes. For example, it’s been reported that biological females who identify as men are not being called for routine smear tests, because the database records only their gender, not their sex. This is an absolute travesty, and trans rights campaigners have every reason to be up in arms about it. A person’s medical records should always include both sex and, if different, gender identity, because both are relevant to their risk profile and any necessary treatment. Many of the issues described by Caroline Criado Perez in “Invisible Women” stem from an unjustified assumption that male and female bodies are interchangeable.
The reality is that sex matters, and will always matter. You can’t legislate that away, and even trying to will inevitably cause harm. A civilised society recognises that a person is a complex mix of biology and identity, and treats both of those aspects of their personhood with respect.
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Judy Englander
2 years ago
The pertinent question is, is Carrie Johnson unwilling to declare that only women have cervixes?
If we don’t know then it probably means the media haven’t asked her, which they ought to – because as a confidante of the prime minister she probably has more influence on public policy than any of the Labour frontbenchers who’ve been asked the question.
If that is so then how come, as a bloke, I have an afliction diagnosed as Cervical Spondylosis? My doctor tells me that men and women have a body part with that name – its the top 5 vertibrae. You All will have to choose a different female body part (Quite close to the Cervix that men do not have.)
Cervical Spondylosis is so called because it affects the spine in the neck – the word “cervical” comes from the Latin word for “neck”. The cervix is so called because it’s the “neck of the womb”, and takes its name from the same Latin word even though it’s not related to the spine. Possibly more confusingly, though, cervical cencer is cancer of the cervix, not cancer of the neck, even though cervical spondylosis is an affliction of the neck, not the cervix. The English language can be inconsistent at times.
And also, don’t forget, that despite our possession of all kinds of things ‘down below’, women are still the only ones capable of loading the dishwasher properly while stirring the pasta, yelling at the kids to be quiet and doing her pelvic floor exercises. All at the same time. While planning how to pay off the credit card and deciding how to organise care for her elderly father (or any other relative). You see, gender is about more than chromosomes and girl parts. It’s a mindset and a skill set. The whole package. Shoot me down if you dare.
David Fee
2 years ago
I greatly value your articles Debbie. You impart valuable information from a balanced position of true understanding. Thank you.
Peta Seel
2 years ago
It is not hard to see where all this is going. It is yet another offshoot of the totalitarianism that is creeping inexorably into every aspect of our lives.
In terms of respecting the privacy and safety of women, and men too come to that, I was horrified to read recently in the DT that the NHS have put out “guidance” for staff saying that people who insist on being in same sex wards are to be regarded as racist, sexist and/or transphobic. I was immediately reminded of a conversation I had years ago with a district nurse in France. I told her that we were impressed with the quality of French hospitals which mostly have one or two-bedded rooms with their own showers, while the NHS in Britain still had wards with rows of beds. She was horrified as everyone knows that this is the best way to spread infections. When I added that many of the wards were also mixed sex she quite simply didn’t know whether to laugh or cry. I dread to think what her reaction would be to self-identifying transwomen being allowed into women’s wards….!
Good, well-informed and well articulated article from Debbie as usual.
Martin Smith
2 years ago
If gender is just socially determined why is reassignment considered necessary?
Excellent question? This movement has changed the meaning of gender to be the same as sex….
Niobe Hunter
2 years ago
It’s not really a war on sex, though,is it? It’s a ‘war’ on women, or at least, an attempt to put women back into an automatically subservient position. The ‘rights’ in question always seem to be about men enjoying (in the Tudor as well as modern sense) the prerogatives and protections which women have o so slowly gained over the centuries. The ‘ rights’ of the poor deluded girls who are encouraged to cut off their breasts and ingest male hormones to grow a straggly beard, hormones which will often render them sterile and probably impact on their long term health are not much of a topic in this debate. They are just collateral damage in the great obliteration of the female as an independent being.
I think that the early days of the male to female movement, there were confused and troubled men who really did think that adopting a female ‘identity’ would be a panacea . I knew some of them. Now though, I think it has mainly become a vehicle for the s****ually troubled (‘s@@k my lady d##k’ as they rant) and the psychologically disturbed ( kill the TERFS) .and even further along the line, it is being cynically adopted by predators who just see an opportunity to access women at their most vulnerable : naked, incarcerated, sick or fearful.
The real question is why some women are embracing this attack on themselves. Is it just for personal or political advantage? Do they think that decrying female rights is going to somehow protect them from the revisionists and the aggressors? Because history shows that that has very very rarely been the case.
michael stanwick
2 years ago
Resolution 2048 remains influential to this day. After deciding that transgender people were subject to widespread discrimination and “frequently” targeted by hate speech, the Assembly called on member states to: […] re-educate society.
Calling on member states to re-educate society means engineering the way we talk about things. This re-education has the implicit assumption that the populace will be forced to speak and therefore think different thoughts – to think ands speak the correct way and to not think and speak the wrong way according to the applied postmodernist doctrine.
This re-education is done through tyranny. Perhaps this is happening now via university matriculation requirements and workplace re-education requirements etc?
Where is the force of the state in protecting its citizens from the threat of tyranny?
Yes, talk of ‘re-education’ is a chilling echo of the worst features of communist oppression of anyone seen as a dissident. And your mention of ‘university matriculation requirements’ (eg the disgraceful tests on correct thinking set at universities such as St Andrews and Kent) reminds us that those who reject this modern form of fascism must stand up and fight it! Some universities have forgotten what a university is: it is time for a counter-revolution against this dangerous nonsense.
Gordon Black
2 years ago
About 20-odd years ago I used the acronym BLIGHT as a mnemonic to remember all the categories. As they kept on getting added to I wondered why they didn’t just simply use NH (Not Heterosexual) as an apposite grouping.
Franz Von Peppercorn
2 years ago
Is anybody doing any investigation of where the funding for this ideology comes from.
All of this bs because advocates only gave women consideration as an afterthought, if at all.
Sue Ward
2 years ago
Not so much rising hate against LGBTQI but certainly rising hostility to the T part as ordinary straight and gay people (and also parents of all orientations) start to understand what this obsession with self ID actually means. Most people have a live and let live attitude to trans but trans activists do not have this attitude to the rest of us who must be forced to say things we don’t believe and batter our brains into thinking things that we don’t really think. It is frightening that their continued prodding of the slumbering beast of public opinion will ultimately produce a backlash which will engulf us all.
I am reminded of the activities of the Paedophile Information Exchange back in the day, which sought to normalise sexual activity with children, resulting in a huge public backlash, but not before their cause at first was supported by certain politicians and other public figures who should have known better.
Jill Abigail
2 years ago
Thank you, Debbie, for taking the time to contribute to our current legislative move in New Zealand to endorse sex self-identification. Those of us submitting against the legislation are being treated with absolute contempt by the Select Committee – as you yourself experienced, when you were told by the Green Party member that we have our own trans leadership in New Zealand and [as she implied] don’t need any advice from outsiders like you. Those of us who are 2nd wave radical feminists are in absolute despair over here at what is happening. This account you’ve just written from the Council of Europe and one person’s ludicrous influence adds yet more devastating news. But thank you again for keeping on with your writings on behalf of natal women.
Thank you, but you are right. These are worrying devlopments. We can shine a light on them but merely knowing about them is not enough.
Nicholas Taylor
2 years ago
Maybe the attraction of undemocratic and totalitarian political and religious movements is that they replace the discomfort of ambiguity with the reassurance of conformity. It is obvious which state is most inherently stable. History is full of movements that sweep across countries or wider regions aligning the spins of individuals, as far as they are able or allowed to express them. However, these never seem to end well.
Andrew Fisher
2 years ago
Identity politics has reached a position of such power and influence because of the endless attrition by fanatical activists, such as the wretched and absurd Ben Chikha, whom naive governments and institutions seem to on this basis consider experts whose views must be acted upon. And despite the ludicrous and obvious inconsistencies of the ideology, such as it is almost encouraged to ‘change’ gender but it would be anathema to claim to change race. And yet sex is a far more biologically meaningful category than race.
In addition, it is seemingly very important for the ‘woke’ project that they lay claim to the definition of women (fascinatingly and disturbingly, much less interested in the term ‘men’), while at the same time declaring that there may be hundreds of genders! Of course the more ludicrous and sinister this nonsense is – a hidden deep misogyny at its core – the more necessary it is for them to fight dirty and use power, not argument, to win the day, as in totalitarian societies.
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Brooke Walford
2 years ago
So glad the lid is being lifted on insideous gender law-making by stealth by a trans person .Thank you Debbie Hayton.
Indeed – whether one agrees or disagrees with Tony Benn more generally that is a major contribution to the art of clear political thinking.
Marcia McGrail
2 years ago
It feels strange to ask (and I’m not really sure if I’m allowed) but doesn’t a society reap what it sows? Isn’t it hypocritical of openers of the Pandora’s boxes this society finds itself emeshed in, to bemoan that others are more than willing to open them too far? Some countries are cultivating chimeras – what about their prospective human/animal rights?
John Davies
2 years ago
This is a chilling account of how the democratic process is being abused and exploited by devious and well-funded groups in order to achieve undemocratic ends. (Historic parallels exist for this of course). Ultimately, it exposes the incapacity of the institutions of western society and their inability to defend the values of that society when presented with hysterical, self-righteous and ignorant rhetoric in the name of a cause that is presented as politically virtuous. The very idea that the ‘Council of Europe’ can institutionally condemn ‘criticism’, whether of the transgender argument or anything else, should objectively render it utterly unfit for purpose. Unfortunately, this corrupted body appears already to have had massively disproportionate influence since the leaders of all three of the UK’s main political parties are now convinced that it is political suicide for them to recognise the distinct identity of the female sex. If the Council of Europe is so weak and unrepresentative that it allows unelected, unaccountable fanatics effectively to dictate the political agenda of European countries it is time for those countries to reform it or walk away.
Peter Francis
2 years ago
Thanks, Debbie Hayton, for another great article. I know very little about “trans rights”, except for snippets of news in which so-called “activists” seem to act in such a way as to polarise opinion, rather than win arguments, when they villify perceived opponents. So your measured arguments are greatly appreciated by this reader.
sally ingrey
2 years ago
There is a lot of money and powerful people behind the trans agenda, it is not coming from the ‘grassroots’ as gay rights did in the 70’s. Debbie Hayton has provided an excellent example of how this works in practise. Thank you.
Alison Tyler
2 years ago
I do not hate trans gendered people nor do I want others to do so. I do however feel that much of the debate about women and trans women is focused on envy and misogyny. As a woman I can define myself, politicians and activists should not abrogate to themselves that right.
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Brian Delamere
2 years ago
As a person without a cervix, I think this is hilarious.
As a person with a cervix, Brian, I can assure you there is nothing funny in any of this. Women are being erased from our own language, losing our rights to assemble together in single-sex spaces, called transphobic if we don’t want to sleep with male-bodied transwomen, losing our rights to compete with one another in women-only sport…. and so on and so on. It is deadly serious.
‘Rising hate against LGBTI’ in Europe could be directly linked to a corresponding increase in the importation of a culture that openly despises LGBTI and in their home countries punish it with death. Yet the progressive left see no issue in its weird support for Islam and its equally weird obsession with identity politics, especially trans.
That is because both support for the alphabet-soup sexual minorities and support for Islam serve the common purpose of destroying the Christian foundations of Western Civilization so that it can be refashioned according to the likes of secular know-it-alls.
You are bang on the money. When most Westerners complain about religion it’s almost always Christianity they’re referring to.
Sadly I think you are right
This is what happens when governments allow pressure groups to set the agenda.
Very well written illuminating article on how The European Council of Europe is allow undemocratic processes to influence laws based on poor arguments.
Even though I’m not well up on this subject, I think it’s a great article too, and it has given me much to think about.
Also, you may be able to make physical changes to your body, but you will still have whatever combination of chromosomes you were born with. It turns out there are more combinations than XX or XY. Who knew?
There are different combinations, but still two sexes. In most cases it depends on the presence or absence of the Y. So XO (Turner syndrome) is female while XXY (Klinefelter syndrome) is male.
Thanks Debbie. I was thinking, sort of intuitively, that gender (sex? I don’t even know the correct terminology!) was likely to be mainly about the Y
Yes it is, and in particular one gene (the SRY gene) that is almost always present on the Y but virtually never present on the X.
Oh god, Debbie, not only full of commons sense but also up on the science. Ever thought of running for office? I’d vote for ya!
…what Cheryl said…and a heartfelt vote of thanks for the good sense and decency you consistently contribute to this generally toxic and frequently deranged debate. If I ever spot you in a bar, I have every intention of standing you a large one..!
Note to self: gender tends to mean gender identity, and sex is biological sex
‘it turns out there are more combinations than XX or XY’…very rarely but some folks are determined to hold the majority to ransom on the back of it.
The more governmental, administrative and state bodies that exist, the more opportunity for people who know better than the rest of us to quietly capture these institutions and use them to ram garbage like this down peoples’ throats. Whatever the problem, more government is never the answer.
Very timely – I am going through a horrible experience of my 11yr old being bullied by a non-binary 11yr old. The narrative is always the poor trans/non-bi victim but I am learning that these minority groups are quite vicious.
Sorry to hear that. We are all human and the same rules should apply to us all. Identifying into trans or non-bi should make no difference when it comes to how we relate to other people.
…which is why there should be no legal necessity to single out particular characteristics of specific minority groups. The present voracious appetite for crafting more and more dystopian, divisive measures targeting sexual/gender/racial/ et al distinctiveness of an individual are a nonsense when what is actually required is that the present human rights laws be enforced vigorously and appropriately.
I think the problem is that none of this filters through. It is my belief that the VAST majority of the population knows what a woman is and all this is SO far removed from any aspect of real life that even asking the question is… out of the question as it is meaningless and cannot even be conceptualised.
Add to that some obscure European body (and I had never heard of the Council of Europe), and here we are. For whatever reason a fringe group has gained a foothold in the corridors of power and as what they are proposing is that the earth is flat, no-one pays any attention, so they can gain ever more power bit by bit. Then all of a sudden there is a virtuous circle, as the politician find themselves embroiled with the flat earthers (where did they come from again?), So they have to give them more power, but then they ask for more and more and the process continues ever amplified (does this remind anyone of the SNP?)
In Italy a few years ago there was a lot of talking about the so called “gender ideology”. I never really understood what it was, but I suspect it’s exactly what you are describing here. It seems to have gone out of fashion these days, but I don’t know if it is operating in the shadows.
I wonder… Maybe we need a Phyllis Shlafly 😀
The Council of Europe drafted the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) so is not so obscure, although its deliberations are hardly ever publicly reported on. The ECHR has become somewhat controversial in the UK since its provisions were adopted into the UK Human Rights Act by the Blair government. The complaint is that it has been used to stray into areas of daily life never intended by its authors. This is one of them.
I don’t dispute it is important. I just never heard of it, and if I had, I wouldn’t have known what it was.
No criticism intended. Very few people are aware of it. It started with the best of intentions after WWII.
I think many people think we left Europe when we left the EU. We did not leave the Council of Europe.
I didn’t know this and am very thankful to you for drawing attention to it. We know that this lobby pushes its agenda in through back doors and targeted the human rights movement brother than individual country’s democratic processes. Worrying.
Basically infiltration of institutions by Cultural Marxists following Gramsci and Frankhurt School.
In exactly the same way the nascent EU started with the idea of controlling the production of coal, iron and steel so no country could build very large tanks, again.
…indeed so. They had in mind an immediate history of Genocide…not the right of a bloke (not) in a frock to wander about in a women’s changing room with an erection…which is pretty much exactly what happened in the briefly notorious “Spa” case. About which the TG lobby have now fallen silent, because the perpetrator has been charged with indecent exposure…an offence for which he has previous…
…”its deliberations are hardly ever publicly reported on.”
Sounds like a textbook definition of obscurity.
The questions that those that insist the fiction of gender identity is real can never answer
IsJessica Yaniv a woman? Is Karen White a woman? Is Barbie Kardashian a woman? Perhaps they are just dangerous predators that self identify as women?
You need to get over this hurdle in order to make a case. I asked this of a Trans Rights Activist in my union and their answer was – yes they are women because they feel it and identify as it.
This is pure fiction in my opinion. It is based on false philosophical ideas and translates into, to feel it is to be it. So you either have to base the feelings on stereotype feelings that you imagine how it feels to be a woman or you believe in a “sexed soul” that we are all born with.
Which is it?
Why this focus on merely human trans rights? There are many of us struggling with anthropomormism..I don’t often confess this as I will be reviled and attacked. But I feel condemned to spend my life in the wrong body…I feel that I am a horse: not any old horse, mark you – I identify as a pure bred Akal Teke stallion (who in their right mind would not covet a coat like that?)
I have felt this way since childhood, prancing and cavorting (in private): a trot, a whinney, a toss of the mane (discretely) in public. Even at that age aware of the vicious discrimination I will face if ever I have the courage to come out…
…anthropomormism… I don’t wish to nag but surely you mean anthropoMormonism?
I don’t have any problem with gender identity being a protected characteristic in discrimination law. It’s broadly analogous to other indentity-based protected characteristics, such as sexuality and religion, and few people have a problem with those.
What does seem odd to me, though, is the extent to which the campaign for recognition of gender identity as a protected characteristic and the rights associated with that has morphed into a campaign to denigrate and downplay sex as a protected characteristic and the rights associated with that.
It seems blindingly obvious to me that sex and gender identity are not the same thing, just as sex and sexuality are not the same thing. Just because you possess a male body does not mean that you are necessarily sexually aroused by a female body. We’ve moved on from the idea that men can only fancy women, and vice versa. And rightly so. And just because you possess a male body does not mean that you necessarily identify as a man.
However, male-bodied people who are attracted to other male-bodied people are still male. Recognising that is a key aspect of gay rights. We no longer believe that being gay is a sign of effeminacy. We do not, as is still the case in some places, insist on treating gay men as if they were women, because “real men” aren’t gay.
And the same applies to gender identity. Your identity does not change your biology. A male-bodied person who identifies as other than a man is still biologically male. And, while their identity can, and should, be protected by law from abuse and discrimination, it does not negate their right – or anybody else’s right – to also be protected from discrimination and abuse on the grounds of their biological sex.
Treating sex and gender as interchangeable has the potential for all sorts of undesirable outcomes. For example, it’s been reported that biological females who identify as men are not being called for routine smear tests, because the database records only their gender, not their sex. This is an absolute travesty, and trans rights campaigners have every reason to be up in arms about it. A person’s medical records should always include both sex and, if different, gender identity, because both are relevant to their risk profile and any necessary treatment. Many of the issues described by Caroline Criado Perez in “Invisible Women” stem from an unjustified assumption that male and female bodies are interchangeable.
The reality is that sex matters, and will always matter. You can’t legislate that away, and even trying to will inevitably cause harm. A civilised society recognises that a person is a complex mix of biology and identity, and treats both of those aspects of their personhood with respect.
The pertinent question is, is Carrie Johnson unwilling to declare that only women have cervixes?
If we don’t know then it probably means the media haven’t asked her, which they ought to – because as a confidante of the prime minister she probably has more influence on public policy than any of the Labour frontbenchers who’ve been asked the question.
She should tell us one way or the other, after all, she is the Prime Mistress
If that is so then how come, as a bloke, I have an afliction diagnosed as Cervical Spondylosis? My doctor tells me that men and women have a body part with that name – its the top 5 vertibrae. You All will have to choose a different female body part (Quite close to the Cervix that men do not have.)
Cervical Spondylosis is so called because it affects the spine in the neck – the word “cervical” comes from the Latin word for “neck”. The cervix is so called because it’s the “neck of the womb”, and takes its name from the same Latin word even though it’s not related to the spine.
Possibly more confusingly, though, cervical cencer is cancer of the cervix, not cancer of the neck, even though cervical spondylosis is an affliction of the neck, not the cervix. The English language can be inconsistent at times.
I would have thought it fairer to blame Latin. Surely English is blameless here.
And also, don’t forget, that despite our possession of all kinds of things ‘down below’, women are still the only ones capable of loading the dishwasher properly while stirring the pasta, yelling at the kids to be quiet and doing her pelvic floor exercises. All at the same time. While planning how to pay off the credit card and deciding how to organise care for her elderly father (or any other relative). You see, gender is about more than chromosomes and girl parts. It’s a mindset and a skill set. The whole package. Shoot me down if you dare.
I greatly value your articles Debbie. You impart valuable information from a balanced position of true understanding. Thank you.
It is not hard to see where all this is going. It is yet another offshoot of the totalitarianism that is creeping inexorably into every aspect of our lives.
In terms of respecting the privacy and safety of women, and men too come to that, I was horrified to read recently in the DT that the NHS have put out “guidance” for staff saying that people who insist on being in same sex wards are to be regarded as racist, sexist and/or transphobic. I was immediately reminded of a conversation I had years ago with a district nurse in France. I told her that we were impressed with the quality of French hospitals which mostly have one or two-bedded rooms with their own showers, while the NHS in Britain still had wards with rows of beds. She was horrified as everyone knows that this is the best way to spread infections. When I added that many of the wards were also mixed sex she quite simply didn’t know whether to laugh or cry. I dread to think what her reaction would be to self-identifying transwomen being allowed into women’s wards….!
Good, well-informed and well articulated article from Debbie as usual.
If gender is just socially determined why is reassignment considered necessary?
Excellent question? This movement has changed the meaning of gender to be the same as sex….
It’s not really a war on sex, though,is it? It’s a ‘war’ on women, or at least, an attempt to put women back into an automatically subservient position. The ‘rights’ in question always seem to be about men enjoying (in the Tudor as well as modern sense) the prerogatives and protections which women have o so slowly gained over the centuries. The ‘ rights’ of the poor deluded girls who are encouraged to cut off their breasts and ingest male hormones to grow a straggly beard, hormones which will often render them sterile and probably impact on their long term health are not much of a topic in this debate. They are just collateral damage in the great obliteration of the female as an independent being.
I think that the early days of the male to female movement, there were confused and troubled men who really did think that adopting a female ‘identity’ would be a panacea . I knew some of them. Now though, I think it has mainly become a vehicle for the s****ually troubled (‘s@@k my lady d##k’ as they rant) and the psychologically disturbed ( kill the TERFS) .and even further along the line, it is being cynically adopted by predators who just see an opportunity to access women at their most vulnerable : naked, incarcerated, sick or fearful.
The real question is why some women are embracing this attack on themselves. Is it just for personal or political advantage? Do they think that decrying female rights is going to somehow protect them from the revisionists and the aggressors? Because history shows that that has very very rarely been the case.
Resolution 2048 remains influential to this day. After deciding that transgender people were subject to widespread discrimination and “frequently” targeted by hate speech, the Assembly called on member states to:
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re-educate society.
Calling on member states to re-educate society means engineering the way we talk about things. This re-education has the implicit assumption that the populace will be forced to speak and therefore think different thoughts – to think ands speak the correct way and to not think and speak the wrong way according to the applied postmodernist doctrine.
This re-education is done through tyranny. Perhaps this is happening now via university matriculation requirements and workplace re-education requirements etc?
Where is the force of the state in protecting its citizens from the threat of tyranny?
Yes, talk of ‘re-education’ is a chilling echo of the worst features of communist oppression of anyone seen as a dissident. And your mention of ‘university matriculation requirements’ (eg the disgraceful tests on correct thinking set at universities such as St Andrews and Kent) reminds us that those who reject this modern form of fascism must stand up and fight it! Some universities have forgotten what a university is: it is time for a counter-revolution against this dangerous nonsense.
About 20-odd years ago I used the acronym BLIGHT as a mnemonic to remember all the categories. As they kept on getting added to I wondered why they didn’t just simply use NH (Not Heterosexual) as an apposite grouping.
Is anybody doing any investigation of where the funding for this ideology comes from.
Yes Jennifer Bilek in the US e.g. https://thefederalist.com/2018/02/20/rich-white-men-institutionalizing-transgender-ideology/
All of this bs because advocates only gave women consideration as an afterthought, if at all.
Not so much rising hate against LGBTQI but certainly rising hostility to the T part as ordinary straight and gay people (and also parents of all orientations) start to understand what this obsession with self ID actually means. Most people have a live and let live attitude to trans but trans activists do not have this attitude to the rest of us who must be forced to say things we don’t believe and batter our brains into thinking things that we don’t really think. It is frightening that their continued prodding of the slumbering beast of public opinion will ultimately produce a backlash which will engulf us all.
I am reminded of the activities of the Paedophile Information Exchange back in the day, which sought to normalise sexual activity with children, resulting in a huge public backlash, but not before their cause at first was supported by certain politicians and other public figures who should have known better.
Thank you, Debbie, for taking the time to contribute to our current legislative move in New Zealand to endorse sex self-identification. Those of us submitting against the legislation are being treated with absolute contempt by the Select Committee – as you yourself experienced, when you were told by the Green Party member that we have our own trans leadership in New Zealand and [as she implied] don’t need any advice from outsiders like you. Those of us who are 2nd wave radical feminists are in absolute despair over here at what is happening. This account you’ve just written from the Council of Europe and one person’s ludicrous influence adds yet more devastating news. But thank you again for keeping on with your writings on behalf of natal women.
Thank you, but you are right. These are worrying devlopments. We can shine a light on them but merely knowing about them is not enough.
Maybe the attraction of undemocratic and totalitarian political and religious movements is that they replace the discomfort of ambiguity with the reassurance of conformity. It is obvious which state is most inherently stable. History is full of movements that sweep across countries or wider regions aligning the spins of individuals, as far as they are able or allowed to express them. However, these never seem to end well.
Identity politics has reached a position of such power and influence because of the endless attrition by fanatical activists, such as the wretched and absurd Ben Chikha, whom naive governments and institutions seem to on this basis consider experts whose views must be acted upon. And despite the ludicrous and obvious inconsistencies of the ideology, such as it is almost encouraged to ‘change’ gender but it would be anathema to claim to change race. And yet sex is a far more biologically meaningful category than race.
In addition, it is seemingly very important for the ‘woke’ project that they lay claim to the definition of women (fascinatingly and disturbingly, much less interested in the term ‘men’), while at the same time declaring that there may be hundreds of genders! Of course the more ludicrous and sinister this nonsense is – a hidden deep misogyny at its core – the more necessary it is for them to fight dirty and use power, not argument, to win the day, as in totalitarian societies.
So glad the lid is being lifted on insideous gender law-making by stealth by a trans person .Thank you Debbie Hayton.
5 questions that work well.
Indeed – whether one agrees or disagrees with Tony Benn more generally that is a major contribution to the art of clear political thinking.
It feels strange to ask (and I’m not really sure if I’m allowed) but doesn’t a society reap what it sows? Isn’t it hypocritical of openers of the Pandora’s boxes this society finds itself emeshed in, to bemoan that others are more than willing to open them too far? Some countries are cultivating chimeras – what about their prospective human/animal rights?
This is a chilling account of how the democratic process is being abused and exploited by devious and well-funded groups in order to achieve undemocratic ends. (Historic parallels exist for this of course). Ultimately, it exposes the incapacity of the institutions of western society and their inability to defend the values of that society when presented with hysterical, self-righteous and ignorant rhetoric in the name of a cause that is presented as politically virtuous. The very idea that the ‘Council of Europe’ can institutionally condemn ‘criticism’, whether of the transgender argument or anything else, should objectively render it utterly unfit for purpose. Unfortunately, this corrupted body appears already to have had massively disproportionate influence since the leaders of all three of the UK’s main political parties are now convinced that it is political suicide for them to recognise the distinct identity of the female sex. If the Council of Europe is so weak and unrepresentative that it allows unelected, unaccountable fanatics effectively to dictate the political agenda of European countries it is time for those countries to reform it or walk away.
Thanks, Debbie Hayton, for another great article. I know very little about “trans rights”, except for snippets of news in which so-called “activists” seem to act in such a way as to polarise opinion, rather than win arguments, when they villify perceived opponents. So your measured arguments are greatly appreciated by this reader.
There is a lot of money and powerful people behind the trans agenda, it is not coming from the ‘grassroots’ as gay rights did in the 70’s. Debbie Hayton has provided an excellent example of how this works in practise. Thank you.
I do not hate trans gendered people nor do I want others to do so. I do however feel that much of the debate about women and trans women is focused on envy and misogyny. As a woman I can define myself, politicians and activists should not abrogate to themselves that right.
As a person without a cervix, I think this is hilarious.
As a person with a cervix, Brian, I can assure you there is nothing funny in any of this. Women are being erased from our own language, losing our rights to assemble together in single-sex spaces, called transphobic if we don’t want to sleep with male-bodied transwomen, losing our rights to compete with one another in women-only sport…. and so on and so on. It is deadly serious.
You are not wrong
Time to become trans.
I so dislike being fashionable.
How dare you threaten my bits, I like them as they are.
Why? If he became “she”, “she” still wouldn’t have a cervix.