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Jon Redman
Jon Redman
2 years ago

Many will suffer severe punishments. Violence will be unleashed against them in a magnitude that those in the West do not comprehend. Body parts will be chopped off. Sexual harassment, rapes, honour violence and murders will become the norm.

Let’s keep all this in perspective. While this may be true, the US government has focused with laser precision on the key issues, such as pronouns. Women and girls may be raped and tortured in Afghanistan, but the Biden administration is acting resolutely against micro-aggressions. Body parts may be chopped off but no transsexual will be triggered by being referred to as male.
These achievements are well worth America’s having created the world’s first – and most heavily-armed – terrorist superstate.

George Glashan
George Glashan
2 years ago
Reply to  Jon Redman

The Guardian is one step away from endorsing the rape of women / children in Afghanistan. If it was framed as; a mental health service to lessen the stress of western whiteness oppression on Jihadists, via an offline only-fans service provided face to veil by anti-volunteer women / child sex workers and free at the point of use for service using Jihadists.

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Sanjay Banerjee
Sanjay Banerjee
2 years ago

Well written, as always. It’s not just the Afghan girls and women that are fighting back; their husbands, brothers and fathers too are giving them support. This is a welcome development.
There is another welcome development that is beginning to show up. The average Afghan feels shortchanged and betrayed by America and her allies. They are also incensed by the duplicitous role played by Pakistan in installing the Taliban into power. They want their country back and this feeling is taking on a national character.
Interesting days ahead.

Penelope Lane
Penelope Lane
2 years ago

You make the important point that “fighting back”, on its own, is not enough. The resistance needs to have adequate forces at its disposal to make victory possible. The allied withdrawal from Afghanistan has just made that external support near-impossible in the short term.
Women face the added problem of the sheer overpowering nature of male physical brute force, which reaches right into the home on a minute by minute basis, facilitating a regime of total surveillance and total imprisonment of women.
In my view, it is facile to imply that women will have any effective choices available to them for either private, personal or public freedoms in the near future.

Dustshoe Richinrut
Dustshoe Richinrut
2 years ago

“If things continue as they are, there will be no music in Afghanistan.”
As picked out from an article given by a link in this sobering piece.
But what will be the Taliban’s idea of a national anthem?
With the loss of Kabul and District to the Taliban, there is nowhere else in the entire region for young Afghan women, keen to hold on to an artistic vision of life, to fall back on. Would the members of the music school find “solace” in neighbouring countries? In Pakistan? In Iran? Or in, is it Tajikistan? The “Little America” that was a feature of Kabul and District has been truly dissolved, by means of the solvent of Short-sighted America. Moreover, perhaps Afghanistan’s many mountainous zones handily, for the Taliban, block radio waves carrying radio and television signals, solace-filled broadcasts, to the cultured souls of Kabul and District. The sort of stuff that would, a little, enliven in unison a population.
You can’t stop the music? I’m afraid, if America bows out disgracefully, even the music can be stopped. What defiance there is is like being on a hiding to nothing.

L Walker
L Walker
2 years ago

We’ve already bowed out disgracefully.

Angelique Todesco-Bond
Angelique Todesco-Bond
2 years ago

This article made me cry. Just take a moment and think what it would be like to wake up tomorrow and have your life relegated to little more than a living shadow filled with fear, under the threat of violence or a violent death at every turn.

Dennis Lewis
Dennis Lewis
2 years ago

Yes, it somewhat puts the supposed Western patriarchy into perspective, doesn’t it?

Penelope Lane
Penelope Lane
2 years ago

Dr Ali’s account is heartbreaking. What strikes me particularly is that she is able to cite no practical measures that anyone has yet put in place for effectively supporting these women. They have, apparently, nothing but their defiance to rely on. That will not be enough. I cannot see that they have any future. That’s the stark reality of how bad their situation is.
This Trump/Biden pull-out needs to be seen as a crime against humanity. Women are not some minority group, to be lumped together with gays or atheists or musicians or similar. They comprise the majority of the population. So a crime against the majority is a crime against humanity.
The media would do well to keep this in mind as the inevitable accommodations start to be made with the Taliban terrorist regime and women bit by bit become invisible again in men’s deliberations.

Tom Watson
Tom Watson
2 years ago
Reply to  Penelope Lane

Whereas crimes against ‘some minority group’ aren’t crimes against humanity? I’m impressed – hadn’t expected the most right-wing thing I’d read today would come from a feminist. Love how Unherd manages to keep the comments section fresh!

Penelope Lane
Penelope Lane
2 years ago
Reply to  Tom Watson

crimes against ‘some minority group’ aren’t crimes against humanity? … the most right-wing thing I’d read today…
A crime against humanity can be viewed quantitatively or qualitatively.
I was highlighting the quantitative aspect, making the point that the sheer numbers of women whose lives will be devastated far outweighs the numbers involved in any other single affected group.
I wanted to make this point because, as I have been reading, listening to and watching a wide cross-section of the media, I have been getting the distinct impression that this difference in scale, and hence in total social impact of the damage, is constantly overlooked. That is why Dr Ali’s article is so important. I only wish the same sort of detailed analysis and passionate caring for women could be seen as a central, primary concern of most male journalists and academics. Unfortunately, that does not seem to be the case.
So my comment could not in any sense be regarded as “rightwing”, as you claim: you put words in my mouth that were not there and not intended. Of course I regard crimes against gays, artists, adherents of minority religions, etc., as crimes against their humanity.
To jump from my comment about the greater seriousness of some crimes against humanity, to a conclusion that I therefore am dismissing all other crimes against humanity as inauthentic, is illogical and unfounded in the facts of what I said.
I was hoping for some constructive responses which would look more closely at the reality of Afghani women’s situation, and extend the boundaries of the discussion in a helpful way.
i don’t think your sarcastic, “smart Alec”, misguided attempt at put-down point-scoring adds anything worthwhile to the discussion of this profoundly serious issue.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
2 years ago
Reply to  Penelope Lane

Penelope, it isn’t our country, and the West has shown itself unable or perhaps unwilling to robustly combat Islamist extremism even in its own lands.

Someone says, yes, he is now a good boy, ok say the parole board, of course he is telling the truth, what a success for our Prevent strategy. Said Muslim is released and commits carnage on London Bridge.

Frankly, women’s rights in the West are threatened HERE if this pusillanimous, self loathing and weak, woke left liberalism carries in for many more years.

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Penelope Lane
Penelope Lane
2 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Fisher

You make a good point. The west has indeed shown itself unable or unwilling to combat Islamist extremism. I suspect inability more than unwillingness, although both can be seen to have been at play. And it is not our country.
Nonetheless, if one believes in universal human rights, then we have some sort of responsibility to work for them: to uphold them in freer societies, and introduce them where they are not yet much in evidence.
Huge questions arise about the best way to do this, of course. It is not proven that war is best. Peaceful intervention may be harder, but in the long run, more beneficial in its effects.
What I find unforgivable is the US’ adoption of an approach—armed intervention—then its reneging on responsibilities it took on with this approach. And worse—its failure even to attempt to plan for positive alternatives to plug the gap now left by its departure.

Douglas Proudfoot
Douglas Proudfoot
2 years ago

Our leaders never told the truth about the War on Terror. It’s not a war we can win. It’s a war of “mowing the lawn,” as the Israelis say, of constantly whacking the Islamic terrorists back for as long as it takes to exhaust their rabid desire to kill us. We could never expect to win in Afghanistan if the Taliban had access to almost unlimited funding from opium sales and winter sanctuary in Pakistan. We never made any serious effort to destroy opium crops controled by the Taliban, nor did we attack their sanctuaries in Pakistan in any systematic way.
US rules of engagement in Afghanistan were a joke. Our soldiers needed approval from lawyers in Florida for artillery and air strikes on positions that were shooting at them. Use of the most effective munitions was limited by the rules of engagement. It was like we had to give our enemies a “sporting chance” to win, at the expense of our own casualties.
We need to get real. General officers need to resign over stupid rules of engagement, and strategies billed as decisive that are guaranteed losers.
The US needs to act like the War on Terror is a Marathon, not a sprint. We need to fight on the cheap, training indigenous forces to fight without hugely expensive US style logistical and technical support. We need to kill terrorists, and help their enemies defeat them in affordable ways. We can’t afford to occupy and nation build primitive countries, primarily because it doesn’t work.
If we feel the need to replace a government in a country, we must be ready to do what it takes. That means ruthlessly eliminating all guerrillas’s funding sources and bombing any sanctuaries in “neutral” countries. If we ain’t ready to do the needful, we shouldn’t play. Our resources are not limitless. We can’t waste any more lives and money on losing strategies.

earlene xavier
earlene xavier
2 years ago

Ayaan,
You are an amazing and brave woman and I am in awe of what you have accomplished in your life. We need more women like you to stand up and speak for oppressed women everywhere who are unable to speak for themselves. I weep for the women and girls of Afghanistan, and hope they continue to have the will to resist the barbaric regime in Afghanistan

Terence Fitch
Terence Fitch
2 years ago

Nation change is not our business. Nato is not a social service. Open ended military adventurism is a busted flush and twas always thus. Western women now expect the overwhelmingly young men they despise to go and die for this ’cause’.

Jon Hawksley
Jon Hawksley
2 years ago

This was not unpredictable. Life changing for the young who saw a different future. To resist though can make it worse. If public opinion becomes a threat then an obvious response would be to stifle it by shutting down the internet. That would have an enormouse impact on women working and socialising from their homes.

Julie Kemp
Julie Kemp
2 years ago

Lovely lady; refined, enlightened, crisp and easily readable authoress. I read James A Michener’s ‘Caravans’ 40 years ago and dimly now recall how i wanted to visit such an ancient territory and didn’t. Bravo for the Afghan women and girls doing their cultural and social responsibility – it’s truly noble as would be the men who aid and protect them.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
2 years ago

I’m very sympathetic to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who is a really brave person, who has put her life on the line for her anti-Islamist views.

But… the Afghan state which had promoted these social advances for women, simply collapsed overnight. After 20 years of Western intervention. How deep could its roots have been?

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Cheryl Jones
Cheryl Jones
2 years ago

Maybe it’s time for the Afghans to decide for themselves what kind of country they want to live in?