The article omits three important factors that have shaped East Germany since 1990. Firstly, the Germans insisted on paying East Germans West German pay rates. This made any East German company that had not installed West German machinery and work practices immediately insolvent. Secondly, the economies of the East German export markets in Communist times collapsed, so East German companies lost their previous customers. Thirdly, there has been the massive transfer of income from West to East Germany. This started with the West Germans paying for the worthless Kommie Mark bank accounts in Deutsche Marks. It has continued with the provision of a welfare state that allows East Germans to comfortably survive on the dole.
None of these factors apply to Cuba. Cubans are not suddenly going to be paid in dollars. A transformation in Cuba will not be accompanied by a collapse of neighbouring economies. And no one is going to pay for a welfare state that supports the work shy. The main danger to Cuba is not economic but that it turns into a narco paradise.
I agree with you. The comparison the author makes is not logic as Cuba won’t be unified with California. Germany probably had to do what you describe in order to stop everyone from leaving and resettling in West Germany and therefore implemented west German standards and costs over night. This broke the economy but achieved its goal. The scenario of other east European countries is more realistic for Cuba.
Chris Wheatley
2 years ago
The author uses her experience of living in East Germany to predict something in Cuba. I should think that Cuba would be far, far worse – more like Russia perhaps.
East Germany had the relatively calm example of West German politics to act as a guide in the transition. A capitalist Cuba would effectively be taken over by oligarchs and gangsters, like Russia in 1991. Ordinary, non-young, people would be lost while a few fast-reactors would benefit.
‘Second-Hand Truth’ by Svetlana Alexievich shows how the Russian population was split 50/50 with adaptable people loving the new capitalism and non-adaptable people still seeing S**lin as a hero.
On my very limited experience of Eastern Germany in 2015 and 2016, you could see that some people and some areas had done better than others. Potsdam, Weimar and Leipzig – prosperous. Frankfurt on Oder, Brandenburg and Cottbus – definitely not. Touristy places like Weimar obviously attracted visitors and money. Dresden obviously attracted visitors to its rebuilt historic centre. Take the tram out to the eastern edge where there was a large post communist shopping mall and the tram passed huge prefab tower blocks…..how many people in those blocks had benefitted in any way?
Yes, I agree. About 15 years ago I went to work in Zagreb. I was taken to eat in a fabulous restaurant and the hotel was nice. When I travelled to the factory the taxi took a huge detour and I thought that the driver was cheating me. When I asked he said that they never took visitors around the area with the grey concrete buildings.
Later I specifically asked for a tour around that area and thousands of people were living in poverty in these grey concrete buildings.
A fair enough argument, except that it is exactly the same as the author’s! ‘For Cuba this process is far more risky….’ etc
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peter lucey
2 years ago
But free Cubans can read books and surf the net – and fish from boats.. My only visit to Cuba (2012) showed the grinding poverty and boredom of a totalitarian socialist state. I was disgusted by the “apartheid” dual-currency system – Cubans earn a worthless National Peso, only accepted in shops that have no goods, whereas the Convertible Peso is used by foreigners and privileged locals in shops with actual goods.
Jan Fonfara
2 years ago
I think that the East German scenario is not very likely for Cuba as there is no West Cuba to re-unify with. What broke the East German economy is not a sell-out of its companies but that one day to the other almost western salaries had to be paid (when the east currency was exchanged 1:1). That is what killed the industry and made East Germany uncompetitive. Also it made West German living standards the target over night which could only be paid for by huge subsidies from the west. A more likely scenario is the Czech one where citizens received parts of the companies they worked in, they bought their state owned flat very cheaply, competitiveness was retained and living standards rose gradually.
The problem for east Germany was not capitalism but that it was absorbed by a hyper efficient, expensive and rich place and had to compete over night while losing any ability to do just that. No other Eastern European country did that and Cuba won’t either.
Christopher Hilton
2 years ago
“When I travelled to the island in 2005, toilet paper was still rationed to three sheets at a time in public places. The family I stayed with in Havana had none at all, and resorted to installing a bidet instead. There were long queues in front of shops whenever deliveries of staple goods such as eggs or cooking oil arrived”.
I lived in Cuba from 2000 until just after Fidel Castro’s death in 2016. While there were always shortages and times could be hard (if you had no money, while many Cubans do have money), I saw none of the above. The queues for toilet paper and the rest were occasional, not the norm. I accept things have changed, but not as much as the western media would like to think.
A new edition of T S Eliot’s letters reviewed in this week’s Spectator refers to a similar three-sheet rule in the British military: ‘1 up, 1 down, 1 burnisher’.
Purely by coincidence, an anagram of T S Eliot is toilets.
Then I believe the people from Havana were putting a giant play for myself and my wife’s benefit when I visited 5 years a go. Havana is a giant favela, I saw abject poverty I didn’t read about it. I entered one of their markets, and it was squalid, I lived in Mozambique in 2002/3 and I could enter a rural market in Inhambane and I could encounter a large variety of produce. Not in Havana the capital of Cuba. Every single Cuban that talked to us in the street wanted to scam us. I can’t testify this but according to people in the tourist industry Cuba is a major destination for sexual tourism. I heard many times great things about the glories of Cuba’s education system, however I didn’t spot a single cuban with a book or reading in a park, the bookshops only sold revolutionary crap.
Finally I don’t understand the lack of women and black people in the very top of Cuba’s rulling class. Very weird.
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Christopher Hilton
2 years ago
And Cubans, despite everything, are the happiest, care-free people I have ever met.
Possibly because there are informers everywhere? People are generally pretty conformist in any case, as we’ve seen in the enthusiasm for successive lockdown in many Western countries.
There are certainly not informers ‘everywhere’. I had many radical friends over 16 years in Cuba; not one was ‘informed’ on. You see what you want to see, trapped in a western media bubble or just plain dishonest.
John Hicks
2 years ago
Another insightful commentary drawn from Hoyer’s experience and observations reinforcing that society’s reaction to the stuff people suffer is the better predictor of outcomes than the stuff itself. Cuba will be blessed should their families’ have been strengthened, like those East German families, whose skills appraising authority, determining trust and managing reliance are quite remarkable. Accumulated responding to a dictatorship of Stassi, Informers and bent traditions, these are intergenerational skills likely to enrich society into the future. No doubt like the Ku’dam, Florida also beckons?
Tony Taylor
2 years ago
Our daughter likes to watch old Olympic highlights. One of her favourites is Flo-Jo winning gold in the 100 and 200 in Seoul. I don’t mind watching them with her, but my eyes usually drift toward the muscular East German sprinters Flo-Jo beat in both races. It’s hard to explain to a child how drug cheating works. At least the Cubans haven’t taken that leaf out of East Germany’s book.
PS: good work on The Rest is History.
PPS: and yes, I’m aware Flo-Jo could have been on the gear too; especially as she beat the EGs.
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Jorge Espinha
2 years ago
First the communists destroy the economy, then they destroy civil society. They make sure nothing exists beyond the party. After decades in power a red aristocracy takes form. The sons and daughters of the regime live in Spain, France, Mexico, etc where they have access to freedom and comforts that ordinary Cubans can only dream of. The day the regime colapses it will leave behind a completely bankrupt society both financially and morally. Problems will arise and capitalism will be blamed. I hope when the time comes Cubans will not let their oppressors go unpunished.
The article omits three important factors that have shaped East Germany since 1990. Firstly, the Germans insisted on paying East Germans West German pay rates. This made any East German company that had not installed West German machinery and work practices immediately insolvent. Secondly, the economies of the East German export markets in Communist times collapsed, so East German companies lost their previous customers. Thirdly, there has been the massive transfer of income from West to East Germany. This started with the West Germans paying for the worthless Kommie Mark bank accounts in Deutsche Marks. It has continued with the provision of a welfare state that allows East Germans to comfortably survive on the dole.
None of these factors apply to Cuba. Cubans are not suddenly going to be paid in dollars. A transformation in Cuba will not be accompanied by a collapse of neighbouring economies. And no one is going to pay for a welfare state that supports the work shy. The main danger to Cuba is not economic but that it turns into a narco paradise.
I agree with you. The comparison the author makes is not logic as Cuba won’t be unified with California. Germany probably had to do what you describe in order to stop everyone from leaving and resettling in West Germany and therefore implemented west German standards and costs over night. This broke the economy but achieved its goal. The scenario of other east European countries is more realistic for Cuba.
The author uses her experience of living in East Germany to predict something in Cuba. I should think that Cuba would be far, far worse – more like Russia perhaps.
East Germany had the relatively calm example of West German politics to act as a guide in the transition. A capitalist Cuba would effectively be taken over by oligarchs and gangsters, like Russia in 1991. Ordinary, non-young, people would be lost while a few fast-reactors would benefit.
‘Second-Hand Truth’ by Svetlana Alexievich shows how the Russian population was split 50/50 with adaptable people loving the new capitalism and non-adaptable people still seeing S**lin as a hero.
On my very limited experience of Eastern Germany in 2015 and 2016, you could see that some people and some areas had done better than others. Potsdam, Weimar and Leipzig – prosperous. Frankfurt on Oder, Brandenburg and Cottbus – definitely not. Touristy places like Weimar obviously attracted visitors and money. Dresden obviously attracted visitors to its rebuilt historic centre. Take the tram out to the eastern edge where there was a large post communist shopping mall and the tram passed huge prefab tower blocks…..how many people in those blocks had benefitted in any way?
Yes, I agree. About 15 years ago I went to work in Zagreb. I was taken to eat in a fabulous restaurant and the hotel was nice. When I travelled to the factory the taxi took a huge detour and I thought that the driver was cheating me. When I asked he said that they never took visitors around the area with the grey concrete buildings.
Later I specifically asked for a tour around that area and thousands of people were living in poverty in these grey concrete buildings.
A fair enough argument, except that it is exactly the same as the author’s! ‘For Cuba this process is far more risky….’ etc
But free Cubans can read books and surf the net – and fish from boats.. My only visit to Cuba (2012) showed the grinding poverty and boredom of a totalitarian socialist state. I was disgusted by the “apartheid” dual-currency system – Cubans earn a worthless National Peso, only accepted in shops that have no goods, whereas the Convertible Peso is used by foreigners and privileged locals in shops with actual goods.
I think that the East German scenario is not very likely for Cuba as there is no West Cuba to re-unify with. What broke the East German economy is not a sell-out of its companies but that one day to the other almost western salaries had to be paid (when the east currency was exchanged 1:1). That is what killed the industry and made East Germany uncompetitive. Also it made West German living standards the target over night which could only be paid for by huge subsidies from the west. A more likely scenario is the Czech one where citizens received parts of the companies they worked in, they bought their state owned flat very cheaply, competitiveness was retained and living standards rose gradually.
The problem for east Germany was not capitalism but that it was absorbed by a hyper efficient, expensive and rich place and had to compete over night while losing any ability to do just that. No other Eastern European country did that and Cuba won’t either.
“When I travelled to the island in 2005, toilet paper was still rationed to three sheets at a time in public places. The family I stayed with in Havana had none at all, and resorted to installing a bidet instead. There were long queues in front of shops whenever deliveries of staple goods such as eggs or cooking oil arrived”.
I lived in Cuba from 2000 until just after Fidel Castro’s death in 2016. While there were always shortages and times could be hard (if you had no money, while many Cubans do have money), I saw none of the above. The queues for toilet paper and the rest were occasional, not the norm. I accept things have changed, but not as much as the western media would like to think.
A new edition of T S Eliot’s letters reviewed in this week’s Spectator refers to a similar three-sheet rule in the British military: ‘1 up, 1 down, 1 burnisher’.
Purely by coincidence, an anagram of T S Eliot is toilets.
I have in my possession a poem called The Waste Bin by someone calling themselves T.O.Ilets.
Then I believe the people from Havana were putting a giant play for myself and my wife’s benefit when I visited 5 years a go. Havana is a giant favela, I saw abject poverty I didn’t read about it. I entered one of their markets, and it was squalid, I lived in Mozambique in 2002/3 and I could enter a rural market in Inhambane and I could encounter a large variety of produce. Not in Havana the capital of Cuba. Every single Cuban that talked to us in the street wanted to scam us. I can’t testify this but according to people in the tourist industry Cuba is a major destination for sexual tourism. I heard many times great things about the glories of Cuba’s education system, however I didn’t spot a single cuban with a book or reading in a park, the bookshops only sold revolutionary crap.
Finally I don’t understand the lack of women and black people in the very top of Cuba’s rulling class. Very weird.
And Cubans, despite everything, are the happiest, care-free people I have ever met.
Outward signs of regime criticism, and political opposition were very much absent when I visited. Cant understand why…
Possibly because there are informers everywhere? People are generally pretty conformist in any case, as we’ve seen in the enthusiasm for successive lockdown in many Western countries.
There are certainly not informers ‘everywhere’. I had many radical friends over 16 years in Cuba; not one was ‘informed’ on. You see what you want to see, trapped in a western media bubble or just plain dishonest.
Another insightful commentary drawn from Hoyer’s experience and observations reinforcing that society’s reaction to the stuff people suffer is the better predictor of outcomes than the stuff itself. Cuba will be blessed should their families’ have been strengthened, like those East German families, whose skills appraising authority, determining trust and managing reliance are quite remarkable. Accumulated responding to a dictatorship of Stassi, Informers and bent traditions, these are intergenerational skills likely to enrich society into the future. No doubt like the Ku’dam, Florida also beckons?
Our daughter likes to watch old Olympic highlights. One of her favourites is Flo-Jo winning gold in the 100 and 200 in Seoul. I don’t mind watching them with her, but my eyes usually drift toward the muscular East German sprinters Flo-Jo beat in both races. It’s hard to explain to a child how drug cheating works. At least the Cubans haven’t taken that leaf out of East Germany’s book.
PS: good work on The Rest is History.
PPS: and yes, I’m aware Flo-Jo could have been on the gear too; especially as she beat the EGs.
First the communists destroy the economy, then they destroy civil society. They make sure nothing exists beyond the party. After decades in power a red aristocracy takes form. The sons and daughters of the regime live in Spain, France, Mexico, etc where they have access to freedom and comforts that ordinary Cubans can only dream of. The day the regime colapses it will leave behind a completely bankrupt society both financially and morally. Problems will arise and capitalism will be blamed. I hope when the time comes Cubans will not let their oppressors go unpunished.