‘In the rural village setting, if you are born and die in the same place, people can eventually work out who you are. If you say one thing and do another, others notice. Your true nature emerges over time.’
That is a very interesting observation. But it seems to me that there is a serious distinction between that and the woke wolf packs.
In the village, you have a legitimate personal interest in whether your neighbour is sincere: Will he keep his bargain with me? Are the goods he sells me sound? Will she betray my confidences? Will he be a faithful husband? Those questions genuinely matter to your well-being in your real life. Misjudge your neighbour’s sincerity and it may harm you.
But what interest does the mob have in a whether a stranger’s views on transgenderism mean that they cannot be a sincere feminist? Or whether public figure X seems to be a good person, but some diligent offence-archaeologist has unearthed and made public some ill-advised social media post made when X was a teenager?
How can such ‘insincerity’ harm you (or anyone else)?
This isn’t about protecting your own safety by avoiding harm from unreliable people you actually know. It’s about finding ‘reasons’ to humiliate and destroy strangers, who can’t do you any harm (especially not just with their opinions).
Very perceptive comment. Twitter has enabled pure impersonal malice – monsters from the Id.
Galeti Tavas
2 years ago
I loath this lazy analogy of Woke, Far Left/Liberalism being called New Puritanism.
“the idea that we are now in an age of New Puritanism, a new era of moral intensity.”
Why not new the Stalinism? Militant Atheism is such a better example to use for these Secular-Humanists. Stalin’s spies in every work place, in every apartment, in every government office and University, all watching, and all must find some one to send to their doom to show their own purity. No clear laws or history – just made up as it went along, no structured system of beliefs laid out for millennia – just a rage which possessed the Mob, and that they used to inflict their beastly amorality onto society.
The Puritans were devout Christians, and so had entire Books of lessons, examples, dogma, history of close to two millennia, complex and intensely thought out Theology, they has practices, clergy, services. They had Absolute Morality, and Ethics, they would be martyred literally for their beliefs, they lived their beliefs. They had Work Ethic, they were driven to do Good Works, to Build, to make better, to serve others.
The woke is entirely unstructured. There is no great book of Wokism, no laws, doctrines, no 10 Commandments, no hierarchy, no learning, no ethics and morals, just outrage, and an attempt to tear down – never to Build. Giles, I always expect better of you.
I agree with you final paragraph, but the rest is projection.
Calling them the ‘New Puritans’ is no lazier than conflating Left/Liberalism with Atheism. The most radical woke advocates would have been Puritans or any other fanatical religious types in any other era or country.
Like it or not the non-religious are the largest faith minority in the UK, and it’s not all the same people who read Foucault and no-platform people.
‘Puritanism’ works on one level because both share a comparable zeal that believes they are morally pure and correct. It also works at a more basic level just as the word Puritanism is used in everyday speech (somewhat in abstract from the actual Puritans themselves). It’s not much more than that.
Also as history enthusiast, I would not agree with your slightly (American?) misty-eyed view of the Puritans. They were too radical for Britain and Puritan England lasted barely a decade. The reason the Pilgrim fathers left was less persecution and more that British society didn’t agree with their radical views. Britain has never liked religious zealots. Orwell said it better than I could:
…the common people are without definite religious belief, and have been so for centuries. The Anglican Church never had a real hold on them, it was simply a preserve of the landed gentry, and the Nonconformist sects only influenced minorities. And yet they have retained a deep tinge of Christian feeling, while almost forgetting the name of Christ. – England Your England
And sorry but this adds no value:
The Puritans were devout Christians, and so had entire Books of lessons, examples, dogma, history of close to two millennia, complex and intensely thought out Theology, they has practices, clergy, services. They had Absolute Morality, and Ethics, they would be martyred literally for their beliefs, they lived their beliefs. They had Work Ethic, they were driven to do Good Works, to Build, to make better, to serve others.
You can replace the word Puritan with Wahabist and it makes the same points.
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Matthew Powell
2 years ago
An interesting article. But I can’t help but thinking that the left wing middle class comedians, who came to saturate all programming, have a symbiotic relationship with the politicians who they claimed to be holding to account.
Ultimately both the neo-liberal politicians and the comedians were telling the public the same thing. Politics is corrupt and futile. Instead of putting your faith in democracy, put it in technocrats and experts, who are beyond reproach, who are beyond mockery. The Technocracy which has replaced our democracy is a humourless one, which takes offence at comedy and so is rarely joked about but instead hated; as often happens when we can no long laugh about our troubles.
For all of us who took the jokes about our politicians all too sincerely. The joke may just be on us.
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Stephen Rose
2 years ago
I don’t think the association with Puritanism is a particularly good fit for many reasons, progressives aren’t hard working, abstineous and god fearing But certainly there is prothytising, zealotry and gnosticism in the mix.
As for the current wave of satire, it is as lacking in humour, absurdity, imagination and self mockery as progressive politics.
I stopped watching, listening, to a genre I used to love, some years ago. Brass eye, Rory Bremner, Bird and Fortune, Spitting image, News Hudlines, drop the dead donkey. Swift, Wilde, The New Yorker, Private Eye, Viz, I lapped it up.
Today the jokes are horribly lame and repeat accepted truths endlessly.Full of little homilies meant to make you feel good about yourself. Which would be bad enough if they weren’t so hobbled by the need not to offend and so sterile in terms of imagination. It may be a lack of trust in the disposition of your audience and their ability to process a joke, but the idea of signalling your virtue
would seem damming to a satirist, who should publish and to hell with it. You should bite the hand that feeds you, at least occasionally. But I dare say the £30,000 appearance fee for HIGNFY keeps you compliant.
Martin Smith
2 years ago
It’s more complicated yet: how do we know what we really think, never mind the reasons why? We are full of self-delusion and deceit.
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Judy Englander
2 years ago
The mask Greek actors wore was called a ‘persona’. You hid your real countenance behind a character-mask for the audience. Jung then used the term for the social self (or polite/conventional/false self) that we present in daily life. Modern virtue-signalling is simply the ancient persona brought into the online world. And it’s just as performative, just as fake, with the added irony that’s it’s a false self pretending to be a true self.
I think we err in imposing modern moral judgement on Greek drama.
Human consciousness was very different in those days. The Greek persona developed out of earlier Eastern spiritual systems which saw Maya as the Goddess who created the outer world of appearances. She was divine. She had a divine function—creating our world. No condemnation in the sense of immorality was implied. Western Theosophists of the nineteenth century, who had an imperfect understanding of Buddhism and Hinduism, translated Maya as “illusion”, thereby giving it a derogatory Victorian prim-and-proper tone never implied in the original. If we describe a dress as a clothing covering over a beautiful inner figure, that does not imply there’s anything inherently wrong with the dress. On the contrary, the dress, too, may be lovely.
The Eastern, and then Greek, teaching referred to the distinction between the inner and outer spiritual worlds. Both worlds were spiritual, but on relatively different levels of reality. Students were taught that humans comprised an inner divine Ego-Self and an outward-facing Persona. Today we might call the divine part the likeness—we are made in the likeness of the divine, whereas the physical-world persona could be called the image of that inner divinity that we present to the outer world. Greek actors presented this image via their various masks. Equivalents can be found across the world—think of Japanese kabuki or noh drama, Indonesian wajang puppet theatre, etc. Shakespeare’s “All the world’s a stage..” perhaps conveys the style of Greek drama better.
Jung plagiarised this teaching then reduced its significance and import to the purely superficial “social self” you describe. Modern psychology’s founders—both Freud and Jung—did their best to update things for modern conditions, but ended up trivialising the profound depths of traditional spirituality. Jung in particular created a god-awful mess with his “archetypes”, assuming one could simply conflate all the precise, time-and-place specific, diverse divinities of previous spiritual traditions into one western consumer-oriented grab-bag of pseudo-tools for modern self-improvement workshopping entrepreneurs.
Modern psychology has taken the goddess Psyche out of her creation and appears to be in the process of reducing us all to eye-blink rates and brainwave impulses in its vain attempt to outdo the natural scientists at their own game.
This is proving right now to be to all our detriment, since we struggle to create an authentic new spirituality.
We find ourselves reduced to, on the one hand, those who would deny any divine human origins outright, thereby reducing us to our merely animal part, which is rapidly taking over in the absence of anything to balance it out, and, on the other hand, those who have given up trying to understand or know anything at all, who take refuge in a bit of mindless hand waving, accompanied by loud sighing and repeated uttering of the name “Jesus”, with the occasional fainting fit thrown in for good measure, all to a background of appallingly bad music and the rattle of the inexorable credit-card plate.
Both these camps have excluded the Christ from his own religion, thereby taking the potential for positive future evolution toward enhanced consciousness/conscience and better ability to Love, out of the picture of our possibilities.
Reading this, you will no doubt have concluded that I am angry. Very angry. Returning to the theme of Giles Fraser’s article, how can you know whether my anger is righteous anger, or morally self-righteous anger? Am I signalling a path to higher virtues, or am I virtue-signalling?
Paul Sorrenti
2 years ago
. . . the whole of our lives seem to resemble a kind of demonic Turing Test, an attempt to work out the truth of the other at some impossibly digital distance
Brilliantly put. And the clearest sign that for the robots to achieve their pre-programmed mission to become more like us, the algorithm has learnt that the path of least resistance is not ‘become more conscious’ but ‘reduce their consciousness’ and meet in the middle, or very near the bottom. Clever girls
We now call this virtue signalling — which is not about younger people being more self-righteous, but more about the need to demonstrate moral sincerity in a context where so many of the traditional mechanisms for establishing it have collapsed.
I feel like there’s so much truth in this, and thank you for humanising the virtue signallers. It’s a nice antidote to the them vs us demonisation they receive in the comments section of Unherd. Irritating as they are, imagine being brought up on a diet of zoom and emojis, poor blighters. It’s not all their fault a war is coming
‘In the rural village setting, if you are born and die in the same place, people can eventually work out who you are. If you say one thing and do another, others notice. Your true nature emerges over time.’
That is a very interesting observation. But it seems to me that there is a serious distinction between that and the woke wolf packs.
In the village, you have a legitimate personal interest in whether your neighbour is sincere: Will he keep his bargain with me? Are the goods he sells me sound? Will she betray my confidences? Will he be a faithful husband? Those questions genuinely matter to your well-being in your real life. Misjudge your neighbour’s sincerity and it may harm you.
But what interest does the mob have in a whether a stranger’s views on transgenderism mean that they cannot be a sincere feminist? Or whether public figure X seems to be a good person, but some diligent offence-archaeologist has unearthed and made public some ill-advised social media post made when X was a teenager?
How can such ‘insincerity’ harm you (or anyone else)?
This isn’t about protecting your own safety by avoiding harm from unreliable people you actually know. It’s about finding ‘reasons’ to humiliate and destroy strangers, who can’t do you any harm (especially not just with their opinions).
Very perceptive comment. Twitter has enabled pure impersonal malice – monsters from the Id.
I loath this lazy analogy of Woke, Far Left/Liberalism being called New Puritanism.
“the idea that we are now in an age of New Puritanism, a new era of moral intensity.”
Why not new the Stalinism? Militant Atheism is such a better example to use for these Secular-Humanists. Stalin’s spies in every work place, in every apartment, in every government office and University, all watching, and all must find some one to send to their doom to show their own purity. No clear laws or history – just made up as it went along, no structured system of beliefs laid out for millennia – just a rage which possessed the Mob, and that they used to inflict their beastly amorality onto society.
The Puritans were devout Christians, and so had entire Books of lessons, examples, dogma, history of close to two millennia, complex and intensely thought out Theology, they has practices, clergy, services. They had Absolute Morality, and Ethics, they would be martyred literally for their beliefs, they lived their beliefs. They had Work Ethic, they were driven to do Good Works, to Build, to make better, to serve others.
The woke is entirely unstructured. There is no great book of Wokism, no laws, doctrines, no 10 Commandments, no hierarchy, no learning, no ethics and morals, just outrage, and an attempt to tear down – never to Build. Giles, I always expect better of you.
I agree with you final paragraph, but the rest is projection.
Calling them the ‘New Puritans’ is no lazier than conflating Left/Liberalism with Atheism. The most radical woke advocates would have been Puritans or any other fanatical religious types in any other era or country.
Like it or not the non-religious are the largest faith minority in the UK, and it’s not all the same people who read Foucault and no-platform people.
‘Puritanism’ works on one level because both share a comparable zeal that believes they are morally pure and correct. It also works at a more basic level just as the word Puritanism is used in everyday speech (somewhat in abstract from the actual Puritans themselves). It’s not much more than that.
Also as history enthusiast, I would not agree with your slightly (American?) misty-eyed view of the Puritans. They were too radical for Britain and Puritan England lasted barely a decade. The reason the Pilgrim fathers left was less persecution and more that British society didn’t agree with their radical views. Britain has never liked religious zealots. Orwell said it better than I could:
And sorry but this adds no value:
You can replace the word Puritan with Wahabist and it makes the same points.
An interesting article. But I can’t help but thinking that the left wing middle class comedians, who came to saturate all programming, have a symbiotic relationship with the politicians who they claimed to be holding to account.
Ultimately both the neo-liberal politicians and the comedians were telling the public the same thing. Politics is corrupt and futile. Instead of putting your faith in democracy, put it in technocrats and experts, who are beyond reproach, who are beyond mockery. The Technocracy which has replaced our democracy is a humourless one, which takes offence at comedy and so is rarely joked about but instead hated; as often happens when we can no long laugh about our troubles.
For all of us who took the jokes about our politicians all too sincerely. The joke may just be on us.
I don’t think the association with Puritanism is a particularly good fit for many reasons, progressives aren’t hard working, abstineous and god fearing But certainly there is prothytising, zealotry and gnosticism in the mix.
As for the current wave of satire, it is as lacking in humour, absurdity, imagination and self mockery as progressive politics.
I stopped watching, listening, to a genre I used to love, some years ago. Brass eye, Rory Bremner, Bird and Fortune, Spitting image, News Hudlines, drop the dead donkey. Swift, Wilde, The New Yorker, Private Eye, Viz, I lapped it up.
Today the jokes are horribly lame and repeat accepted truths endlessly.Full of little homilies meant to make you feel good about yourself. Which would be bad enough if they weren’t so hobbled by the need not to offend and so sterile in terms of imagination. It may be a lack of trust in the disposition of your audience and their ability to process a joke, but the idea of signalling your virtue
would seem damming to a satirist, who should publish and to hell with it. You should bite the hand that feeds you, at least occasionally. But I dare say the £30,000 appearance fee for HIGNFY keeps you compliant.
It’s more complicated yet: how do we know what we really think, never mind the reasons why? We are full of self-delusion and deceit.
The mask Greek actors wore was called a ‘persona’. You hid your real countenance behind a character-mask for the audience. Jung then used the term for the social self (or polite/conventional/false self) that we present in daily life. Modern virtue-signalling is simply the ancient persona brought into the online world. And it’s just as performative, just as fake, with the added irony that’s it’s a false self pretending to be a true self.
I think we err in imposing modern moral judgement on Greek drama.
Human consciousness was very different in those days. The Greek persona developed out of earlier Eastern spiritual systems which saw Maya as the Goddess who created the outer world of appearances. She was divine. She had a divine function—creating our world. No condemnation in the sense of immorality was implied. Western Theosophists of the nineteenth century, who had an imperfect understanding of Buddhism and Hinduism, translated Maya as “illusion”, thereby giving it a derogatory Victorian prim-and-proper tone never implied in the original. If we describe a dress as a clothing covering over a beautiful inner figure, that does not imply there’s anything inherently wrong with the dress. On the contrary, the dress, too, may be lovely.
The Eastern, and then Greek, teaching referred to the distinction between the inner and outer spiritual worlds. Both worlds were spiritual, but on relatively different levels of reality. Students were taught that humans comprised an inner divine Ego-Self and an outward-facing Persona. Today we might call the divine part the likeness—we are made in the likeness of the divine, whereas the physical-world persona could be called the image of that inner divinity that we present to the outer world. Greek actors presented this image via their various masks. Equivalents can be found across the world—think of Japanese kabuki or noh drama, Indonesian wajang puppet theatre, etc. Shakespeare’s “All the world’s a stage..” perhaps conveys the style of Greek drama better.
Jung plagiarised this teaching then reduced its significance and import to the purely superficial “social self” you describe. Modern psychology’s founders—both Freud and Jung—did their best to update things for modern conditions, but ended up trivialising the profound depths of traditional spirituality. Jung in particular created a god-awful mess with his “archetypes”, assuming one could simply conflate all the precise, time-and-place specific, diverse divinities of previous spiritual traditions into one western consumer-oriented grab-bag of pseudo-tools for modern self-improvement workshopping entrepreneurs.
Modern psychology has taken the goddess Psyche out of her creation and appears to be in the process of reducing us all to eye-blink rates and brainwave impulses in its vain attempt to outdo the natural scientists at their own game.
This is proving right now to be to all our detriment, since we struggle to create an authentic new spirituality.
We find ourselves reduced to, on the one hand, those who would deny any divine human origins outright, thereby reducing us to our merely animal part, which is rapidly taking over in the absence of anything to balance it out, and, on the other hand, those who have given up trying to understand or know anything at all, who take refuge in a bit of mindless hand waving, accompanied by loud sighing and repeated uttering of the name “Jesus”, with the occasional fainting fit thrown in for good measure, all to a background of appallingly bad music and the rattle of the inexorable credit-card plate.
Both these camps have excluded the Christ from his own religion, thereby taking the potential for positive future evolution toward enhanced consciousness/conscience and better ability to Love, out of the picture of our possibilities.
Reading this, you will no doubt have concluded that I am angry. Very angry. Returning to the theme of Giles Fraser’s article, how can you know whether my anger is righteous anger, or morally self-righteous anger? Am I signalling a path to higher virtues, or am I virtue-signalling?
Brilliantly put. And the clearest sign that for the robots to achieve their pre-programmed mission to become more like us, the algorithm has learnt that the path of least resistance is not ‘become more conscious’ but ‘reduce their consciousness’ and meet in the middle, or very near the bottom. Clever girls
I feel like there’s so much truth in this, and thank you for humanising the virtue signallers. It’s a nice antidote to the them vs us demonisation they receive in the comments section of Unherd. Irritating as they are, imagine being brought up on a diet of zoom and emojis, poor blighters. It’s not all their fault a war is coming
Wash your mouth out father