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Simon Denis
Simon Denis
2 years ago

Between 1939 and 1941, the Second World War was a dismal failure from the allies’ point of view because we fought it so badly. Surely the same applies to the war on drugs? The problem is not that war has been declared; it is that our forces lie idle – more interested in prosecuting “hate” than dealing with real crime. You mention gaols. If drugs are rampant within their walls it is a clear instance of simple inefficiency. Indeed, preventing prisoner access to such substances would undoubtedly risk riots, but again it is only because a raft of excessively laxist laws prevent effective repression. One form of spineless despair leads to another. And your solution, not bothering to declare war at all, otherwise known as surrender, will lead to a vicious occupation. Rather than putting the counter cultural cherry on the left-liberal cake, why not smash the whole thing with a wholesale counter-revolution? I know, I know – it’s too difficult.

Last edited 2 years ago by Simon Denis
Dustin Needle
Dustin Needle
2 years ago
Reply to  Simon Denis

Drugs, Terror, Borders – all lost causes during a 21st Century asymmetrical war that our leaders haven’t even woken up to yet.

Gordon Black
Gordon Black
2 years ago
Reply to  Dustin Needle

We could have saved scores of millions of lives and avoided two major wars if we had just surrendered to Wilhelm II. And … no drug, terror, immigration or border problems for 107 years … all for the small price of being bilingual now.

Galeti Tavas
Galeti Tavas
2 years ago
Reply to  Simon Denis

Excellent reply Simon. It is the breakdown of Family first, which is 90% from Liberal policies of paying for low attainment people to have children they cannot support, and then the perversity of adding penalties rather than incentives, when the man lives with them. Takes two parents to raise a child optimally.

Second is is breakdown of community, this is also from Social Programs in a very great many ways, the lack of proper discipline in schools, the permissive attitude like this guy….

These drugs are poisoning your children, so he wants to make them legal? Ask China how much the legal opium worked during the 1800s, when it was a government concession, and every price and law and quality and weights and measure was strictly enforced. Ask Xi if he thinks legalizing Opium is a good idea. Well actually, ironically most of the Fentanyl and other chemical drugs come from there.

Next: License burglars so they are trained to not harm the property when entering, will never enter when the residents are home or risk losing their license, their income can be taxed, and you will stop jailing people for just wanting some cash.

Simon Denis
Simon Denis
2 years ago
Reply to  Galeti Tavas

Excellent points, clearly argued. Yes, above all, to the China argument. It remains an appalling blot on British imperialism that we enchained the Chinese in the vile opium habit – along with the Anglo-French destruction of the great summer palace of the Emperors. And your use of the word poison is apt and unanswerable. It is precisely the recognition from the 1860s forward that certain substances are immensely harmful which led to regulation – of arsenic, for example, along with all other such agents. Why, then, the extreme libertarian desire to undo that Victorian good in favour of a Victorian evil? Because it chimes in with other forms of anti-social self-indulgence. Liberty, equality, fraternity said the French Revolution. Correctly – they each deserve a hearing. Alone, they are monstrous. Fraternity alone leads to fascism; equality alone to communism and liberty alone to anarchy – whether of the political or the moral sort. We are living with a vile, anti-fraternal conspiracy of the worst, resentment-driven equality and the worst, anarchy-prone liberty, to which the answer can only be a Conservative revival.

mike otter
mike otter
2 years ago
Reply to  Simon Denis

Eh? nobody made the Chinese take it and the notion that there was no opium available in China before the British turned up is more lie than myth, a lie beloved of the CCP and UK left. Some of the best opium and hash available comes from the Tien Shan foothills, the ‘Stans and Chinese Himalayas. “Milk of Mazar” maybe a brand image but the plants that make it are spread in a 1000km circle from MazariSharif itself.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
2 years ago

Pretty uniform negative reaction in the comments.

Does anyone have anything to say on the example of Portugal?

Jerry Smith
Jerry Smith
2 years ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

Precisely. What a bunch of idiots respondingf to this article and deliberately misreading it in pursuit of their own anti-woke, anti-liberal etc. agendas rather than addressing the practicalitie.

D Ward
D Ward
2 years ago

Hmmm. Middle class liberal-luvvies want to decriminalise drugs. I wonder why that could possibly be.
Also. As long as you have middle class liberal-luvvies thinking it is acceptable (funny, even, certainly harmless) to snort coke (and I’m looking at you, BBC people), then you are always going to have a drugs problem.
These types are oh-so-bleeding heart about everything but don’t stop to think for a minute of the cost of their addiction on other people e.g. in Colombia.

Galeti Tavas
Galeti Tavas
2 years ago
Reply to  D Ward

I have been down with the lowest of addicts, lived in their world, this writer needs to join them and see the whole picture. What does this mostly is hopelessness. A bunch of people who feel utterly without hope, but not on drugs, may be an improvement, but not much of one.

This guy wants to tackle the symptom, but does not care about the disease.

Jonathan Weil
Jonathan Weil
2 years ago
Reply to  Galeti Tavas

Isn’t it the war on drugs that is tackling the symptom (drugs) and not the disease? And isn’t he advocating treatment of mental health problems (the disease)? Did I miss something?

Galeti Tavas
Galeti Tavas
2 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Weil

You missed a great deal. The war on drugs is a war on crime.

It is not a mental health issue for the most part, it is that young people have been raised to not have full time employment which would consume their energies, and also give them hope in life, and meaning.

Idle hands are the devil’s workshop”
is one of the great truths. Young men especially Must work. They have huge energy which has to be consumed or it will turn to anti social, or self destructive, behavior. This is our genetic directive.

When young feel they will not be able to work themselves into home ownership and marriage, or at least, a fair apartment, girlfriend, car, pocket money – but are locked out of the real world as they just cannot have the work to support that, they are idle and hope less. They have no ability to imagine why early death matters, that losing years to addiction matters, they are caught in the cycle of hopelessness – and it is not really mental health – it is that they just never got qualified to be able to succeed, for many reasons. They have been raised to FAIL, and so are failures, and a psychiatrist is not going to fix them. Only society being fixed will.

Jonathan Weil
Jonathan Weil
2 years ago
Reply to  Galeti Tavas

Ok, so let the disease be hopelessness, and its cause societal failure. I still don’t understand why that analysis lends credence to the war on drugs, which has nothing to say to “people who feel utterly without hope” beyond trying (and failing) to keep drugs away from them. Best case scenario, as you say, “may be an improvement, but not much of one.” Whereas if something were done about the hopelessness, we wouldn’t need a war on drugs because the true disease of which drug use is just a symptom would have been dealt with.

O Thomas
O Thomas
2 years ago
Reply to  Galeti Tavas

I find this quite unpersuasive. I agree with your general thrust about society, and youth — male youth particularly — but a “war on drugs” doesn’t address those factors at all. Even with terrible addiction it’s trying to drain the tub with the taps running. And as for being a war on crime, when applied to e.g. cannabis the fact that it is a crime is arbitrary when we have a legally sanctioned but more dangerous drug like alcohol absolutely everywhere.
I suppose the issue is: better to draw a moral line above a random set of drugs and make policy that is ineffective but does reflect that this behaviour is beyond the pale in society, or compromise morally with policies that might suggest it is less taboo but yield much superior outcomes?

mike otter
mike otter
2 years ago
Reply to  Galeti Tavas

As David Lee Roth wisely said early 80s when asked “do you have a drug problem?” His reply: “not now, i can afford it”.

Jon Redman
Jon Redman
2 years ago

As night follows day, right after drugs are decriminalised there will follow a Twitter campaign for the rights to use them at work and to sue your employer if he then fires you for being off your t1ts.

Chris Scott
Chris Scott
2 years ago
Reply to  Jon Redman

Yes, but Jon, there has been no campaign to use or consume alcohol at work; and nicotine is no longer accepted in the work place.

Jon Redman
Jon Redman
2 years ago
Reply to  Chris Scott

Agreed, but equally there hasn’t been a campaign to come to work as a man one day and a woman the next.
An important difference between drugs and alcohol is that you do not to become intoxicated on alcohol to enjoy it. Alcohol with food improve one another and wine has complex flavours that you can appreciate in small amounts. Nobody crunches up a pill or sticks a needle into a vein because they enjoy the taste or feeling. They’re only ever, by definition, used to get off your t1ts.
This being so, someone is sure to argue that as it’s legal to use drugs and as all they’re for is getting off your t1ts you should be entitled to do so at work; and it’s hate speech to argue otherwise.

Simon Denis
Simon Denis
2 years ago
Reply to  Jon Redman

Absolutely spot on, Mr Redman.

Al M
Al M
2 years ago
Reply to  Jon Redman

As night follows day, decriminalise an unwanted activity and you get more of it. Certainly possible to debate what happens once people enter the criminal justice system, which the author addresses; but removing this avenue will have unintended consequences not suffered by your average bien-pensant, be they abstemious and ascetic or, even worse, those who adopt decadence as an affectation.

Meanwhile, I’ve just savoured the last glass of a well-aged Faugeres. And so to bed.

mike otter
mike otter
2 years ago
Reply to  Jon Redman

Our employee contracts say its a breach of contract where the use of drugs impairs your ability to do your job. We are all desk pilots. Note we don’t discriminate between recreative and prescription drugs. Some of our best sales reps have been space cadets. Not sure if i’d be so keen to see such contracts for pilots, doctors, gas fitters etc.

Al M
Al M
2 years ago

Misses several points; riddled with non-sequiturs and frames arguments as as binary choices. To begin with:

People ending up in prison for a small stash? Not usually, no and almost never as a first offence. After a string of other convictions is another matter.

Will people wish to buy currently illicit drugs legally? How would this work and which drugs as they are all very different substances.

The rise of heroin use in the UK in the 1980s was not a consequence of drug laws introduced a decade earlier; far more significant were the changes in international production and supply chains.

Last edited 2 years ago by Al M
Galeti Tavas
Galeti Tavas
2 years ago
Reply to  Al M

Another thing – Where are the relevant statistics! Who are the ones doing all the crime? Are they a problem UK Imported? Because my guess is the yes side is the weightier side.
Maybe as well as keeping drugs out you need to keep people who are likely to become social negatives out too.

Dapple Grey
Dapple Grey
2 years ago
Reply to  Al M

‘Will people wish to buy currently illicit drugs legally? How would this work and which drugs as they are all very different substances.’
i wondered that. If drugs were made legal, would people be able to buy any drug they wish from shops like we can buy fags and alcohol today?

Chauncey Gardiner
Chauncey Gardiner
2 years ago

The most effective drugs program?: jobs, jobs, jobs.
The worst drugs program?: A UBI: Pay people not to work, to stay home, to get depressed, to drink, to smoke, to shoot up.

Chris Scott
Chris Scott
2 years ago

There is a big financial incentive to produce, export and sell narcotics in the UK. You can remove this incentive either by (1) liquidating the growers, cartels, dealers and the facilitators (this is not a desirable option for liberal politicians and military), or (2) you can legalise narcotics, tax and regulate them and offer support to addicts, but this option needs political balls, and there are none in the UK. There is also the issue of poverty in South America, for example. Growing coca crops, refining and selling it is going to net you more cash than growing chia, soja or cotton.

Chris Milburn
Chris Milburn
2 years ago

What a terrible article.
The only valid point is: Does Portugal have something good going on? Tough call if Portugal’s model is applicable to a country like Britain that is much more multicultural and socially fragmented.
The fallacy that we have had a “war on drugs” is ridiculous. I could regale you with stories, but here in Canada, short of killing or trying to kill someone, we hardly send anyone to jail anymore. A local drug dealer who threatened an associate with a gun was released on his own recognizance, with an agreement to appear later. He subsequently shot two people and led the police on a dangerous (for them and the community) manhunt. The idea that people get thrown in jail for having a bit of coke in their pocket, or a few joints, is ridiculous and inaccurate. It is this kind of meme that maintains the left wing “if only we were nicer to people, then nobody would use drugs”.
Here in Canada, we have been on a 25 year treadmill of “harm reduction”. The whole time we have been doing it, overdose deaths and substance abuse related societal harms have increased. And yet the answer is still “we need to do more harm reduction”. The proponents of harm reduction need to read about the Peltzman effect.
I am always amazed that the left wing question for these type of problems is always “What is society/the government doing wrong/not spending enough money on!?”. Perhaps the useful question is why do so many people abuse drugs now. Maybe the god-shaped hole in our hearts? Maybe not having to get up and milk cows at 5AM every morning? Maybe having no compelling reason to be a productive and functional member of society? So many profound and important issues are at the heart of substance abuse, and none are approached when we boil the solution down to lowering the barriers to drug use, and making it “safer”.

John Barclay
John Barclay
2 years ago

The article neglects to mention that the stigma associated with being a drug user has been removed by our liberal (probably) drug using elites. This is a contributor to increased drug usage.

So how about the government mandating employers carry out random drug tests in the workplace? How about employment being conditional upon a “clean” result. A bit like a covid test. Think that might have an effect on casual users who think it’s cool to snort cocaine or smoke a joint?

By all means give serious addicts help and don’t criminalise people who really need help, but unless being a user has a serious stigma and real world consequences, you’re not fighting a war at all, so you can’t say it’s been lost.

Last edited 2 years ago by John Barclay
Galeti Tavas
Galeti Tavas
2 years ago
Reply to  John Barclay

“So how about the government mandating employers carry out random drug tests in the workplace?”

In China 80% of the business are government owned, so the distinction between public/private is blurred – this is not true in the West – the private employers are NOT police, policing is NOT their job. You want an ugly world where all are monitoring and monitored, a society where being a Rat is part of one’s duty.

Al M
Al M
2 years ago
Reply to  John Barclay

Absurd. Drug use, especially heroin and other opiates, still carries a considerable social cost. Realistically, how many people do you know who are open about their heroin use in the workplace, or indeed any illegal substance?

If you wish to live in a society where your employer takes a blood test daily, then you’re entitled to your opinion. I shall leave it at that.

Last edited 2 years ago by Al M
Brendan O'Leary
Brendan O'Leary
2 years ago
Reply to  John Barclay

Many industries, heavy equipment users for example, already mandate drug tests and have done for decades.

No government intervention required.

Chris Scott
Chris Scott
2 years ago

There is a big financial incentive to produce, export and sell narcotics in the UK. You can remove this incentive either by (1) l*quidating the growers, cartels, dealers and the facilitators (this is not a desirable option for liberal politicians and military), or (2) you can legalise narcotics, tax and regulate them and offer support to addicts, but this option needs political backbone, and there are none in the UK. There is also the issue of poverty in South America, for example. Growing coca crops, refining and selling it is going to net you more cash than growing chia, soja or cotton.

Satyam Nagwekar
Satyam Nagwekar
2 years ago

De-criminalisation may not necessarily provide the answers looking at America’s opioid crisis but a shift in policy is certainly worth exploring. Laws targeting distribution rather than possession make sense.

mike otter
mike otter
2 years ago

Act like you know! The main reasons for GB govt preserving the criminal gangs at the top of the drug trade are as follows: 1. Money into the UK financial services industry. 2. Great way to keep the poor, surplus to the job market men of fighting age divided and weakened. 3. Gives the govt an armed and dangerous 5th column more flexible/leak proof than Mi5 & co 4. Allows politicians, the media, city high flyers access to the drugs they want without the risk of getting burned or arrested. As for ” violence, grooming, young recruits” ?? That’s no way to run any business, legal or otherwise and will end in bankruptcy and probably jail if its drugs. Sad thing is to quote Lisa Crystal Carver, Drugs Are Nice. (but you’ve got to remember to stop and reset) #slytherindisco #neverstopthemadness

Guy Johnson
Guy Johnson
2 years ago

Another example of the superiority of free market capitalism over state intervention.