On the one hand the cult of QAnon infecting and infiltrating evangelical churches and on the other hand the cult of Wokeness that has already infected and infiltrated the present US government, academia, large institutions, corporates and organisations, most of corporate media, Big Tech and large percentages of the youth. I know which I am more scared of.
maybe the Church of Woke and the Church of QAnon will merge into the Church of WokAnon or Qoke, and show us all how only Donald Trump Gwyneth Paltrow can save us from an elite of satanist white capitalist sex-traffickers
I wonder why the Americans are particularly vulnerable to such extreme ideas when there are so many alternatives. I would expect the evangelicals to know the Bible better than Q-Anon suggests.
Yes, very much so. I wonder what the two have in common in terms of appeal.
Peter LR
2 years ago
This is a great example of how to write an article from nothing: to quote-
“ A quarter of white and Hispanic evangelical Protestants agreed with Q’s central claim” = Qanon takes over the American Church. Great statistics: 25% means a majority!!
The terms ‘evangelical’ and church are interwoven to supposedly be the same thing. It’s almost impossible now to define exactly what evangelical means. The broad secular meaning tends towards ’nut-job’ which is just mean stereotyping. The evangelicals I know are extremely sane and won’t go anywhere near conspiracy nonsense.
An evangelical movement is one that seeks converts. Judaism is famously not evangelical; you can join if you like, but they don’t send people out to convert you.
Woke and Islam are not evangelical either. They don’t seek converts. Instead they seek to destroy those who disagree with or apostasise from them. You can’t appease either by joining them, because there’s no forgiveness or absolution.
Their certainty that they are right and hatred for those they consider wrong are religiose after a fashion but neither is really a religious movement. They are violent cults.
I thought some Western converts to Islam had travelled to the Middle East to fight for ISIS.
Mikey Mike
2 years ago
Am I the only conservative Christian from the American south who doesn’t know (nor do I know anyone who knows) what QAnon is? I know more one-eyed 9/11 truthers with plaque psoriasis than I know people who know how to pronounce QAnon.
A liberal friend viewed HBO’s film on QAnon and was completely scared and panicked that they were coming for her. It was hilarious. I am a conservative and know lots of conservatives, folks on the right and I don’t know anyone who is a QAnon follower nor does anyone talk about it. I believe that QAnon fascinates the liberal Democrat mind – in fact they are obsessed with QAnon. It’s their boogey man. Rather mystifying.
I find yours and Mikey’s comments interesting. I belong to an evangelical Presbyterian church in London. I think there are members from different parts of the political spectrum and I do not understand why bible believers in the US are almost all Republican voters. Can you explain that for me?
(I have always rather liked the idea that the various political parties here have Bible believing Christians! I am left of centre myself.)
I’m a southern Catholic (albeit in a college town with Democrat state and national representatives) and I can say unequivocally that my conservatism is in the minority in my parish. American Christians are like the American electorate: split pretty much down the middle. There are more conservative denominations (southern Baptists, off the top of my head) but I’m confident that the ideological split in most churches look like most election results – pretty close.
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David Simpson
2 years ago
As always, a confusion of the symptom (Brexit, Trump, QAnon, mmt anyone?) with the cause. So the answer is not to “ban/censor/cancel” the loony theory, but to come at it on its merits/demerits in an open public discussion. Don’t exclude QAnon believers; talk to them , understand their motivations (and they are rarely simply “it’s cos they’re nutters” – they’re much more multi-variant) – as the TrumpDerangementSyndromists and Remoaners should have done from the outset. They might even have won the argument, or begun to understand the problem . . .
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Chauncey Gardiner
2 years ago
Another ex post rationalizing non-piece of a non-phenomenon from Oliver Wiseman. Please keep your silly “Letter from Washington” nonsense over at The Critic.
Tom Lewis
2 years ago
I hope Mr Buffalo head was clever enough to secure image rights. If so, he must be rolling in it, along with the prodigious amounts of “bull***t” that QAnon produce.
David Uzzaman
2 years ago
Less born again and more born yesterday it appears.
Alastair Herd
2 years ago
I genuinely wonder how much of this is a result of locking people in their houses for over a year and letting the internet have it’s corrosive effect…
Roger Inkpen
2 years ago
At various times we’ve been told huge number of Americans ‘believe’ the following:
that they have been abducted by aliens
9/11 was an inside job
the end of the world is nigh
the government is their enemy
the world is flat
the world was created in 6 days
Yet, the USA is:
by far the most powerful country in the world
the centre of innovation
the home of the largest and most successful companies
Presumably someone goes around America asking people these dumb questions that give such high numbers of the ‘wrong’ responses.
Could it just be that the USA is the home to the worst people in the world of which to ask dumb questions?
There is definitely a group in, as far as I know, every country that loves being polled for such surveys because it gives them ample room to exercise their imaginations to the full with the theme of mocking the questions and questioners, ideally without the questioners ever noticing that they are being mocked. I suspect if I type the completion of ‘taking the p..’ I will get censored, so I will skip that word, but most of you reading here will know what I mean.
But the Americans may not. In the USA the expression ‘taking the p’ is not used (or if it is, now, it is a very recent import), despite the fact that the USA has no shortage of people who practice the behaviour every chance they get. More than other places? Somebody should do a poll!
LCarey Rowland
2 years ago
The true Messiah, Jesus, warned that many false prophets would arise and would mislead many.
Hardee Hodges
2 years ago
I did finally find Fall of the Cabal via Bitchute. Google was not helpful. Watching the first chapter was illuminating – huge quantities of nonsense delivered quite professionally with decent production values. I suppose many ill informed people might accept the information. But I can’t imagine it going well with any informed group. I have evangelical friends who would not be impressed. I suppose that some may take up this junk and propaganda affects many. So are there a lot of Q supporters?
Chris Eaton
2 years ago
This article is so inept I don’t feel it’s worth wasting my time trying to refute it….so, I’ll simply respond: you are a godless name only member of the Church of England who doesn’t know their ass from a hole in the ground.
On the one hand the cult of QAnon infecting and infiltrating evangelical churches and on the other hand the cult of Wokeness that has already infected and infiltrated the present US government, academia, large institutions, corporates and organisations, most of corporate media, Big Tech and large percentages of the youth. I know which I am more scared of.
maybe the Church of Woke and the Church of QAnon will merge into the Church of WokAnon or Qoke, and show us all how only
Donald TrumpGwyneth Paltrow can save us from an elite ofsatanistwhite capitalist sex-traffickersI wonder why the Americans are particularly vulnerable to such extreme ideas when there are so many alternatives. I would expect the evangelicals to know the Bible better than Q-Anon suggests.
True, but the UK has also been infected with the Woke cult…..
Yes, very much so. I wonder what the two have in common in terms of appeal.
This is a great example of how to write an article from nothing: to quote-
“ A quarter of white and Hispanic evangelical Protestants agreed with Q’s central claim” = Qanon takes over the American Church. Great statistics: 25% means a majority!!
The terms ‘evangelical’ and church are interwoven to supposedly be the same thing. It’s almost impossible now to define exactly what evangelical means. The broad secular meaning tends towards ’nut-job’ which is just mean stereotyping. The evangelicals I know are extremely sane and won’t go anywhere near conspiracy nonsense.
An evangelical movement is one that seeks converts. Judaism is famously not evangelical; you can join if you like, but they don’t send people out to convert you.
Woke and Islam are not evangelical either. They don’t seek converts. Instead they seek to destroy those who disagree with or apostasise from them. You can’t appease either by joining them, because there’s no forgiveness or absolution.
Their certainty that they are right and hatred for those they consider wrong are religiose after a fashion but neither is really a religious movement. They are violent cults.
I thought some Western converts to Islam had travelled to the Middle East to fight for ISIS.
Am I the only conservative Christian from the American south who doesn’t know (nor do I know anyone who knows) what QAnon is? I know more one-eyed 9/11 truthers with plaque psoriasis than I know people who know how to pronounce QAnon.
A liberal friend viewed HBO’s film on QAnon and was completely scared and panicked that they were coming for her. It was hilarious. I am a conservative and know lots of conservatives, folks on the right and I don’t know anyone who is a QAnon follower nor does anyone talk about it. I believe that QAnon fascinates the liberal Democrat mind – in fact they are obsessed with QAnon. It’s their boogey man. Rather mystifying.
I find yours and Mikey’s comments interesting. I belong to an evangelical Presbyterian church in London. I think there are members from different parts of the political spectrum and I do not understand why bible believers in the US are almost all Republican voters. Can you explain that for me?
(I have always rather liked the idea that the various political parties here have Bible believing Christians! I am left of centre myself.)
I’m a southern Catholic (albeit in a college town with Democrat state and national representatives) and I can say unequivocally that my conservatism is in the minority in my parish. American Christians are like the American electorate: split pretty much down the middle. There are more conservative denominations (southern Baptists, off the top of my head) but I’m confident that the ideological split in most churches look like most election results – pretty close.
As always, a confusion of the symptom (Brexit, Trump, QAnon, mmt anyone?) with the cause. So the answer is not to “ban/censor/cancel” the loony theory, but to come at it on its merits/demerits in an open public discussion. Don’t exclude QAnon believers; talk to them , understand their motivations (and they are rarely simply “it’s cos they’re nutters” – they’re much more multi-variant) – as the TrumpDerangementSyndromists and Remoaners should have done from the outset. They might even have won the argument, or begun to understand the problem . . .
Another ex post rationalizing non-piece of a non-phenomenon from Oliver Wiseman. Please keep your silly “Letter from Washington” nonsense over at The Critic.
I hope Mr Buffalo head was clever enough to secure image rights. If so, he must be rolling in it, along with the prodigious amounts of “bull***t” that QAnon produce.
Less born again and more born yesterday it appears.
I genuinely wonder how much of this is a result of locking people in their houses for over a year and letting the internet have it’s corrosive effect…
At various times we’ve been told huge number of Americans ‘believe’ the following:
Yet, the USA is:
Presumably someone goes around America asking people these dumb questions that give such high numbers of the ‘wrong’ responses.
Could it just be that the USA is the home to the worst people in the world of which to ask dumb questions?
There is definitely a group in, as far as I know, every country that loves being polled for such surveys because it gives them ample room to exercise their imaginations to the full with the theme of mocking the questions and questioners, ideally without the questioners ever noticing that they are being mocked. I suspect if I type the completion of ‘taking the p..’ I will get censored, so I will skip that word, but most of you reading here will know what I mean.
But the Americans may not. In the USA the expression ‘taking the p’ is not used (or if it is, now, it is a very recent import), despite the fact that the USA has no shortage of people who practice the behaviour every chance they get. More than other places? Somebody should do a poll!
The true Messiah, Jesus, warned that many false prophets would arise and would mislead many.
I did finally find Fall of the Cabal via Bitchute. Google was not helpful. Watching the first chapter was illuminating – huge quantities of nonsense delivered quite professionally with decent production values. I suppose many ill informed people might accept the information. But I can’t imagine it going well with any informed group. I have evangelical friends who would not be impressed. I suppose that some may take up this junk and propaganda affects many. So are there a lot of Q supporters?
This article is so inept I don’t feel it’s worth wasting my time trying to refute it….so, I’ll simply respond: you are a godless name only member of the Church of England who doesn’t know their ass from a hole in the ground.