‘Mostly, though, he is still paying the price for being a successful upstart and a centrist from outside traditional, political structures.’
Macron is an énarque who worked for the Rothschilds, was previously a minister in the Hollande govt, loves the EU, and is using the threat of climate change to destroy the lives of normal people . As such, he is the embodiment of the establishment and the traditional structures and was put there as such.
Meanwhile I have no doubt that John sneaks a dig at Trump even into this shopping lists. And, as always, there is the complete lack of concern for those killed by Islamists and criminals – 11 policemen/women were killed last year in France.
Yes, he came from outside of Paris and made it through Grand Ecoles because he is smart and hard worker . Should France (or UK, Germany, USA) let the village drunk run the country?
worked for the Rothschilds,
Despite the historical connotation (what are you hinting ?) the bank is tiny and while reputable his frankly unimportant. JPMorgan, Goldman, BNP, SoGen etc. are all bigger and more important.
loves the EU,
Plenty of people do, the French people had the chance to vote for LePen – only 33% did. The Dutch just had the chance to vote for the populist and only c.20% did. Despite your “magnificent’ mental gymnastics people don’t seem willing to give power to the populists. And there is a good reason for that – LePen couldn’t answer basic questions about EU or economic policies during the presidential debate. AfD is tearing itself apart.
You seem to be suggesting that I am anti-semitic, when in actual fact I consider Jews to be the most useful people on the planet. I was merely pointing out that he made a lot of money for a bank of some kind, and I named that bank.
As for whether or not the village drunk should be put in charge of the countries you list, I don’t see how they could done a worse job than those who have been in charge for some decades now.
I attended Sciences Po Paris and I can confidently say that it is one of the most overrated elite schools in the world. Its main strength is its extensive carnet d’adresse composed of influential and well-connected people in France and abroad.
As for the French loving the EU, the only time they were asked on the matter 15 years ago, they voted against the European constitution.
The only reason Macron appears to be smart is because of the abysmal intellectual quality of the opposition. People like François Boulo on the left and Marion Marechal on the right would tear him apart.
Be fair now. He did mention the problem with radical Islam.
Vastly exaggerated was his term of choice.
Katharine Eyre
3 years ago
“In the present zizanie (which shows no signs of abating), Macron has been both victim and a would-be aggressor. He is the intended victim of a campaign of poison-pen letter-writing by a group of retired and serving military officers who allege that France is on the verge of “disintegration” and “civil war”. They should be taken seriously for what they are: a Trump-like campaign by people close to the far-right leader Marine Le Pen to semer la zizanie or sow discord. But they should be taken less seriously for what they describe: a dystopian and vastly exaggerated picture of France’s genuine problems with radical Islam and other forms of violence.”
Conveniently forgetting to add that about 60% of French citizens agree with at least some of the sentiments set out in those letters. Might that have been relevant information here?
Vivek Rajkhowa
3 years ago
Imagine underplaying the very real abd recognised threats facing France because shock horror those whose duty it is to protect France have called it out. The establishment truly is evil
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Put aside the dealing between French politicians LePen has the same problem as before. While many French (the True French!) agree with her on immigration and Islam they also have reasonable questions about her policies on economy and EU/EZ. Although she has abandoned per previously policy of leaving EU/EZ (because it is not popular – yes, it is not!) she has (as far as I can tell) not been able to articulate a vision about France in/on EU. The reality is that France can not run away from geography, its economy is fully integrated in EU. From Airbus to electrification to semiconductor policy France can not do it on its own. It needs EU and its market.
France (Europe) need a pan-european answer to immigration and Islam.
Jeremy Smith—While many French (the True French!) agree with her on immigration and Islam they also have reasonable questions about her policies on economy and EU/EZ
Unless the True French stand up to immigration and Islam they will become a powerless minority in a Muslim country. Everything else, including economic policy and the EU, is of secondary importance. The same applies to every other (formerly) white Christian nation.
Exactly. You can reverse disastrous economic, foreign, industrial or environmental policies etc, but you cannot reverse demographics once they reach a certain point. Sadly, we are probably now beyond that point in western Europe and the Islamization is inevitable.
Fraser Bailey—Having reached this stage of Islamization, and with voters in Western Europe still blindly supporting the mainstream parties which engineered it, a coup followed by a dictatorship seems the only way out. Needless to say, I hope I am wrong.
I used to think that. To lapse into the vernacular I thought Europe had lost its ‘bottle’.
However the recent Balkan Wars revealed that there is still an enormous reservoir of barbarism and ferocity that Europe an call upon to “repel boarders”.
Perhaps ‘we’ effete Western Europeans should recruit an Eastern European mercenary force to rid us of this pressing dilemma?
Pressure from the US to appear even handed!
Impress the KSA fo example that it is not always anti Muslim.
(Only when it comes to Israel.)
Looney Leftie
3 years ago
I’m not sure if comparing Macrons rating with that of Hollandes is much of a positive. I also don’t think Le Pens party is as far right as it used to be. Although her fathers ghost still looms large, Marine has managed to rid the party of quite a lot of the loons. In my opinion, Macrons splitting of the centre right party is very dangerous ground for him, I believe Le Pen will benefit the most from this split. Time will tell.
Le Pen has always been leftish economically. But we now live in a world where to be a left-liberal is to support the Tech giants, other large corporations and the Military Industrial Complex (at least in the US), and to be on the right is to oppose the insane forever wars, and to stand up to tyrannies like China. It is very telling that Lichfield always attacks the peacenik Trump who merely wanted to bring jobs back to the American working classes, which is what Le Pen wants to to.
I also think the whole spectrum of politics has moved to the left. Johnson is doing a great job as a Lib Dem PM! It also seems anyone who is generally right wing is branded ‘far right’, not saying Le Pens party wasn’t ‘far right’ (as I state above) to begin with, but not so sure it is now.
I know US very well and it was the Left that opposed (historically) corporate power and the Right that was comfortable with it, Only now have the Republicans discovered (they are the stupid party after all) that Big Tech is monopolistic, crashes competition and free speech.
P.S. I am still waiting for Trump to release his taxes.
Yes a ‘token gesture’ and Mr Assad’s chaps were warned in advance, so no harm done, I gather.
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Tom Lewis
3 years ago
This is the SECOND article today that suffers from poor editing (too many chieftains and not enough Indians ?). Do authors really not bother reading back what they have written, it strikes me as incredibly sloppy and undermines what might otherwise be good and informative opinion pieces.
Usually read most of these things when I wake up so put often it down to just being fuggy.
Full of interesting stuff, but this piece seriously needed someone to tighten it up a wee bit.
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago
To be fair to Macron he does sometimes ask the right questions, which puts him ahead of the vast majority of politicians. Thus far, however, I have not seen him come up with any of the right answers.
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Jon LM
3 years ago
The use of ‘Islamophobia’ as a pejorative presupposes that Islam is benign, and that it is irrational to fear it.
I reject that premise.
AC Harper
3 years ago
But that, in itself, cannot explain the degree of hysteria and personal hatred — between political opponents but also between supposed allies — which has enlivened and disfigured French politics in the last three weeks.
But as the Evening Ball wears on the courtiers scrabble for advantage for position and patronage in the next Court… and most courtiers have already realised that there will not be enough elite jobs to go around and that means that other courtiers must go.
Pierre Henri
2 years ago
If the retired officer’s views should not be taken seriously, then why should François Hollande, of all people, be quoted by Davey and Lhomme (Un président ne devrait pas dire ça, 2016) as saying “Car c’est quand même ça qui est en train de se produire: la partition” (this is actually what is ongoing : a partition). Isn’t a partition what a country such as Ireland in the 20th century, experiences, following a civil war ? And shouldn’t Macron himself be taken seriously for much of what he says about the “separatist” threat ?
‘Mostly, though, he is still paying the price for being a successful upstart and a centrist from outside traditional, political structures.’
Macron is an énarque who worked for the Rothschilds, was previously a minister in the Hollande govt, loves the EU, and is using the threat of climate change to destroy the lives of normal people . As such, he is the embodiment of the establishment and the traditional structures and was put there as such.
Meanwhile I have no doubt that John sneaks a dig at Trump even into this shopping lists. And, as always, there is the complete lack of concern for those killed by Islamists and criminals – 11 policemen/women were killed last year in France.
Yes, he came from outside of Paris and made it through Grand Ecoles because he is smart and hard worker . Should France (or UK, Germany, USA) let the village drunk run the country?
Despite the historical connotation (what are you hinting ?) the bank is tiny and while reputable his frankly unimportant. JPMorgan, Goldman, BNP, SoGen etc. are all bigger and more important.
Plenty of people do, the French people had the chance to vote for LePen – only 33% did. The Dutch just had the chance to vote for the populist and only c.20% did. Despite your “magnificent’ mental gymnastics people don’t seem willing to give power to the populists. And there is a good reason for that – LePen couldn’t answer basic questions about EU or economic policies during the presidential debate. AfD is tearing itself apart.
You seem to be suggesting that I am anti-semitic, when in actual fact I consider Jews to be the most useful people on the planet. I was merely pointing out that he made a lot of money for a bank of some kind, and I named that bank.
As for whether or not the village drunk should be put in charge of the countries you list, I don’t see how they could done a worse job than those who have been in charge for some decades now.
I attended Sciences Po Paris and I can confidently say that it is one of the most overrated elite schools in the world. Its main strength is its extensive carnet d’adresse composed of influential and well-connected people in France and abroad.
As for the French loving the EU, the only time they were asked on the matter 15 years ago, they voted against the European constitution.
The only reason Macron appears to be smart is because of the abysmal intellectual quality of the opposition. People like François Boulo on the left and Marion Marechal on the right would tear him apart.
Be fair now. He did mention the problem with radical Islam.
Vastly exaggerated was his term of choice.
“In the present zizanie (which shows no signs of abating), Macron has been both victim and a would-be aggressor. He is the intended victim of a campaign of poison-pen letter-writing by a group of retired and serving military officers who allege that France is on the verge of “disintegration” and “civil war”. They should be taken seriously for what they are: a Trump-like campaign by people close to the far-right leader Marine Le Pen to semer la zizanie or sow discord. But they should be taken less seriously for what they describe: a dystopian and vastly exaggerated picture of France’s genuine problems with radical Islam and other forms of violence.”
Conveniently forgetting to add that about 60% of French citizens agree with at least some of the sentiments set out in those letters. Might that have been relevant information here?
Imagine underplaying the very real abd recognised threats facing France because shock horror those whose duty it is to protect France have called it out. The establishment truly is evil
Put aside the dealing between French politicians LePen has the same problem as before. While many French (the True French!) agree with her on immigration and Islam they also have reasonable questions about her policies on economy and EU/EZ. Although she has abandoned per previously policy of leaving EU/EZ (because it is not popular – yes, it is not!) she has (as far as I can tell) not been able to articulate a vision about France in/on EU. The reality is that France can not run away from geography, its economy is fully integrated in EU. From Airbus to electrification to semiconductor policy France can not do it on its own. It needs EU and its market.
France (Europe) need a pan-european answer to immigration and Islam.
Jeremy Smith—While many French (the True French!) agree with her on immigration and Islam they also have reasonable questions about her policies on economy and EU/EZ
Unless the True French stand up to immigration and Islam they will become a powerless minority in a Muslim country. Everything else, including economic policy and the EU, is of secondary importance. The same applies to every other (formerly) white Christian nation.
Exactly. You can reverse disastrous economic, foreign, industrial or environmental policies etc, but you cannot reverse demographics once they reach a certain point. Sadly, we are probably now beyond that point in western Europe and the Islamization is inevitable.
Fraser Bailey—Having reached this stage of Islamization, and with voters in Western Europe still blindly supporting the mainstream parties which engineered it, a coup followed by a dictatorship seems the only way out. Needless to say, I hope I am wrong.
I used to think that. To lapse into the vernacular I thought Europe had lost its ‘bottle’.
However the recent Balkan Wars revealed that there is still an enormous reservoir of barbarism and ferocity that Europe an call upon to “repel boarders”.
Perhaps ‘we’ effete Western Europeans should recruit an Eastern European mercenary force to rid us of this pressing dilemma?
Makes you wonder why Western Europeans were essentially on the side of Islamists in that conflict.
Pressure from the US to appear even handed!
Impress the KSA fo example that it is not always anti Muslim.
(Only when it comes to Israel.)
I’m not sure if comparing Macrons rating with that of Hollandes is much of a positive. I also don’t think Le Pens party is as far right as it used to be. Although her fathers ghost still looms large, Marine has managed to rid the party of quite a lot of the loons. In my opinion, Macrons splitting of the centre right party is very dangerous ground for him, I believe Le Pen will benefit the most from this split. Time will tell.
Le Pen has always been leftish economically. But we now live in a world where to be a left-liberal is to support the Tech giants, other large corporations and the Military Industrial Complex (at least in the US), and to be on the right is to oppose the insane forever wars, and to stand up to tyrannies like China. It is very telling that Lichfield always attacks the peacenik Trump who merely wanted to bring jobs back to the American working classes, which is what Le Pen wants to to.
I also think the whole spectrum of politics has moved to the left. Johnson is doing a great job as a Lib Dem PM! It also seems anyone who is generally right wing is branded ‘far right’, not saying Le Pens party wasn’t ‘far right’ (as I state above) to begin with, but not so sure it is now.
I know US very well and it was the Left that opposed (historically) corporate power and the Right that was comfortable with it, Only now have the Republicans discovered (they are the stupid party after all) that Big Tech is monopolistic, crashes competition and free speech.
P.S. I am still waiting for Trump to release his taxes.
What the same Trump who ordered air strikes on Syria because the rebels blamed a chemical attack they perpetrated on the Assad regime
Yes a ‘token gesture’ and Mr Assad’s chaps were warned in advance, so no harm done, I gather.
This is the SECOND article today that suffers from poor editing (too many chieftains and not enough Indians ?). Do authors really not bother reading back what they have written, it strikes me as incredibly sloppy and undermines what might otherwise be good and informative opinion pieces.
I hate to say so, but I agree.
Usually read most of these things when I wake up so put often it down to just being fuggy.
Full of interesting stuff, but this piece seriously needed someone to tighten it up a wee bit.
To be fair to Macron he does sometimes ask the right questions, which puts him ahead of the vast majority of politicians. Thus far, however, I have not seen him come up with any of the right answers.
The use of ‘Islamophobia’ as a pejorative presupposes that Islam is benign, and that it is irrational to fear it.
I reject that premise.
But as the Evening Ball wears on the courtiers scrabble for advantage for position and patronage in the next Court… and most courtiers have already realised that there will not be enough elite jobs to go around and that means that other courtiers must go.
If the retired officer’s views should not be taken seriously, then why should François Hollande, of all people, be quoted by Davey and Lhomme (Un président ne devrait pas dire ça, 2016) as saying “Car c’est quand même ça qui est en train de se produire: la partition” (this is actually what is ongoing : a partition). Isn’t a partition what a country such as Ireland in the 20th century, experiences, following a civil war ? And shouldn’t Macron himself be taken seriously for much of what he says about the “separatist” threat ?