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Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago

Well it becomes quite important when we have the unelected Carrie Simmons pushing an insane green agenda/racket that will financially cripple both industry and individuals. It also becomes important when her influence contributed substantially to the ousting of Cummings, one of the few people who might possess the drive and intelligence to change one or two things for the better.

T J Putnam
T J Putnam
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

Nice taste in rattan, though.

Johnny Sutherland
Johnny Sutherland
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

I’ve upvoted you but for the general greening I blame the media. Oh and St Greta of course.

John Hancock
John Hancock
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

She’ll be the death of Boris’s career.

Karen Jemmett
Karen Jemmett
3 years ago
Reply to  John Hancock

Sorry guys, this latest stream is sounding a bit misogynistic to me. Carrie is Boris’s fiancee and close personal companion. I doubt if she has much influence when it comes to Cabinet decisions. If you cast your minds back, it was Cummings who was in danger of damaging his premiership due to concerns about his political accountability or lack of. I do wonder why 47 people endorsed FB’s assessment – an Unheard record, surely? I’m surprised anyone still sees environmental sustainability as being an “insane green racket.” Clearly, the Conservative Government doesn’t and you only need look at the climatic consequences of indifference in Australia to see that climate change really is happening. I like reading all your comments on a wide range of issues, but I just thought I’d offer this feedback and trust you are sufficiently wise and sophisticated not to indulge in any Neanderthal baiting of Greta and Carrie just because they happen to be women.

Simon Flynn
Simon Flynn
3 years ago
Reply to  Karen Jemmett

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Doubt away.
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You are in a very small minority.
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PS – claims of misogyny – means you have an extremely weak argument.
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Last edited 3 years ago by Simon Flynn
CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
3 years ago
Reply to  Karen Jemmett

Come off it this Green nonsense is the greatest confidence trick since the Resurrection and C-19 combined.

BTW : Australia is always having ‘disasters’. Remember when it was being overrun by rabbits?

John Shimmins
John Shimmins
3 years ago

… and cane toads!!

Andrew Thompson
Andrew Thompson
3 years ago

Didn’t their PM build a wall or a fence or something a la Trump and his equally hungry and annoying invaders?

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
3 years ago

Yes, a fence as I recall, and the damned ‘Bunnies’ pushed it over by sheer weight of numbers!

Result: Bio Warfare, a virus known as Mixi’ was released with results that would even have impressed John Wyndham.

I think the ‘Bunnies’ storming the wall/fence is on film.

Andrew Thompson
Andrew Thompson
3 years ago

Indeed it was made into a film. The film was called (quite originally) The Rabbit-Proof fence.

Val Cox
Val Cox
3 years ago

Although that wasn’t really about the bunnies.

Clive Hambly
Clive Hambly
3 years ago

Just another hare-brained plot…

Dennis Boylon
Dennis Boylon
3 years ago
Reply to  Clive Hambly

Oh I don’t know. Maybe we are all rabbits now? “Following the introduction of myxomatosis to control rabbits in the 1950s, the importance of the rabbit-proof fence diminished.” lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit-proof_fence

Duncan Hunter
Duncan Hunter
3 years ago
Reply to  Karen Jemmett

You doubt? She leads this weak, spineless charlatan on the surface by the nose, in reality at a baser level. Running up bills in excess of £200k while sneering at people who shop at John Lewis says much about her Carrie-Antoinette delusions of grandeur. His apparent intervention over Henry Newman being the possible source of leaks shows, as they’d say north of the border, who wears the breeks in that household.

Accepting that Cummings was the source, it is alleged our PM is bombarded by her texts on a daily basis, possibly in excess of 30-40.

His increasingly uncosted and not-thought-through virtue signalling on climate change comes from her as do impromptu, out of left field concerns for badgers and the like. She is running him.

Normally, any mention of a PM and being subject to the whip would make a mockery of centuries of parliamentary convention. But this PM is clearly being whipped; what a weak, pathetic, scruffy disgrace he truly is.

Peter Dunn
Peter Dunn
3 years ago
Reply to  Duncan Hunter

Its obvious you enjoy chewing razor blades..lets hear how you would have led us through this pandemic.
Boris did just that.

Duncan Hunter
Duncan Hunter
3 years ago
Reply to  Peter Dunn

Haven’t the disclosures of the past week revealed to you that blundering, dithering Johnson has no leadership ability and instead it is Gove and others who have pushed the scientists’ will on him? If the vaccine programme hadn’t succeeded so apparently well, I doubt you’d be asking the question.

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
3 years ago
Reply to  Duncan Hunter

You need to do your research, Duncan. The quote about John Lewis isn’t a quote from Carrie or Boris at all. It was a phrase invented by a writer in The Tatler.
All you have achieved is to provide us with an example of confirmation bias.

Duncan Hunter
Duncan Hunter
3 years ago

Fine, Dougie – whatever. And the rest?

Niobe Hunter
Niobe Hunter
3 years ago
Reply to  Karen Jemmett

I’m a woman (and I have always been a woman). The women I respect are women who earn their power and influence by putting their abilities into open competition, not by taking up with a guy old enough to be their father and then bullying and nagging him into doing what they want. Get a life, girl, get a job, win your influence , otherwise you are just like the French Kings’ maitresse en titre – and the last one of those ended under the guillotine.
Greta isn’t a woman, she is a seriously sick girl. She lives on rice pancakes which her mother has to prepare. Her special needs’ school was very cross at her truancy, as there is a very long waiting list for such schools in Sweden, and they felt she was misusing her place.

Last edited 3 years ago by Niobe Hunter
Andrew Thompson
Andrew Thompson
3 years ago
Reply to  Niobe Hunter

I’m a man (yes a real one, born with all the proper bits) and I loved your candied comment re’ being a woman. Made me chuckle. Agree with your comments too I may add.

John Wilkes
John Wilkes
3 years ago

When you say “proper bits” there may be an implication that some peoples bits are in some way not proper.
Clearly this marks you out as suitable for cancellation!
Should I report you to the thought police or will you be turning yourself in?

Peter Dunn
Peter Dunn
3 years ago
Reply to  Niobe Hunter

Very noble, but not averse to having a femininestyle swipe at another female…suppose you’ve got to have your fun.

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
3 years ago
Reply to  Niobe Hunter

I agree with you about Greta, but I must point out that Carrie does indeed have a job and is just finishing her maternity leave.

Matt Sutcliffe
Matt Sutcliffe
3 years ago
Reply to  Karen Jemmett

The correct way for Carrie to exercise political power should probably be to be selected in an electorate and to get elected by the public.

Jack Grieveson
Jack Grieveson
3 years ago
Reply to  Karen Jemmett

I disagree, the criticism of Carrie’s influence is criticism of Boris. It’s perfectly natural for an intelligent, ambitious woman to have strong opinions on things that interest her. What is unforgivable is Boris allowing his decisions to be so influenced by his infatuation with his fiancé, rather than the policy platform he stood on, or his advisors.

PMs have relied heavily on their significant others advice forever. What is concerning is that Boris doesn’t seem to have the strength of character to seek Carries advice, and disregard what doesn’t fit with the platform he was elected on.

As for your comments on green sustainability, it may have escaped your notice but not all well intentioned green policies are effective, sustainable or even particularly green, don’t mistake political marketing for policy outcomes. Cancelling badger culls for example, is soppy, emotional, unscientific intervention that has done more harm than good, because Boris doesn’t have the backbone to upset Carrie on one of her pet topics.

Nikki Hayes
Nikki Hayes
3 years ago
Reply to  Karen Jemmett

Totally agree – I’ve actually seen Carrie referred to as Boris’s mistress in more than one media article this week. Would these remarks be made about a female PM with a male partner? Of course not, misogyny is well and truly alive in UK journalism – unfortunately. Cummings is a serial liar, the press were all over him on his stupid trip to Barnard Castle. Now he has been sacked he is clearly the fount of all knowledge and truth in the eyes of the media.

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

Strange how people are queuing up to be nasty about Carrie. The “climate emergency” is indeed a scam but Boris was fully bought into it long before he met Carrie. He gets it from his father.
If you believe the Staggers, then it was Cummings who started the war with Carrie by fabricating a story in Feb last year about them falling out and then claiming that Saj’s Treasury Spads had leaked it, thus cunningly triggering Saj’s resignation.
And while Cummings undoubtedly has intelligence, he has no emotional intelligence and therefore was absolutely the wrong person to effect change from within No. 10, as opposed to coming up with proposals for change that a talented manager could implement.

Katharine Eyre
Katharine Eyre
3 years ago

Looking at this from Austria I cannot help but snigger a bit. If you live here, you just kind of assume that business is in bed with politics and that there’s a certain amount of graft going on. And you read about it, think “for Christ’s sake, this is what I pay my taxes for?” But then you realise that you can’t really do anything about it and get on with your life.
Over the past few years, we’ve had the Ibiza scandal which took down the conservative-far right coalition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibiza_affair), a finance minister signing off a budget where more than a couple of noughts were missing, the same finance minister having dodgy ties to a big gambling company, serious state security lapses regarding the jihadist that committed the terror attack last year and the über-dodgy connections between the BVT (Austria’s intelligence agency) and Jan Marsalek of Wirecard. And did I mention we’re being led by a 34-year-old university drop-out? (see: https://www.politico.eu/article/house-of-sebastian-kurz/).
So, you’ll forgive me if I look at the pseudo-drama being whipped up in Whitehall and think: “try harder.”

Last edited 3 years ago by Katharine Eyre
Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago
Reply to  Katharine Eyre

I didn’t realise it was quite that bad in Austria, which one generally thinks of as a sensibly run country.

Katharine Eyre
Katharine Eyre
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

Hahahaha! Austria a sensibly run country? No. Things are quite nice and neat and tidy here and stuff works (public transport is world-class). That creates quite a good-looking appearance. Under that, stuff can be really quite scuzzy. Politics is a venal and ridiculous mess.

Last edited 3 years ago by Katharine Eyre
Mike Boosh
Mike Boosh
3 years ago
Reply to  Katharine Eyre

To be honest I’d settle for a neat and tidy country where stuff works but the politicos are a bit more corrupt. All we seem to have had for 40 years is incompetence and bureaucracy.

Katharine Eyre
Katharine Eyre
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Boosh

Yeah, I’m quite happy here. It’s a good life. You just enjoy it and don’t look too closely at what’s going on behind the scenes.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
3 years ago
Reply to  Katharine Eyre

Poor old Austria. Adolph & Apple strudel.

Paul N
Paul N
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

Edited to say…
Doh! I need to get out more, and enjoy the sun!
Sorry for accusing you of being blinded by party allegiance. I’ll not derail this bit of the discussion further.

Last edited 3 years ago by Paul N
Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul N

I was aware that there had been some problems in Austria in recent years, and a number of scandals etc. But this seems to happen whoever is in power.
For the record, I do not have a party and you might be surprised to learn that on one of the vanishingly rare occasions I voted in a GE it was for the Lib Dems.

Last edited 3 years ago by Fraser Bailey
Aden Wellsmith
Aden Wellsmith
3 years ago
Reply to  Katharine Eyre

And that misses off the accounting mess. ie. Where the biggest debt, pensions isn’t even reported.

Rob Alka
Rob Alka
3 years ago
Reply to  Katharine Eyre

What a delightful attitude and reality check for Britain. It makes the our media-vs politics-vs-business scenaario look so childish and pathetic.

Trevor Q
Trevor Q
3 years ago

It is no coincidence surely that there are elections next week. If you can’t play the ball try to take out the man.

Chris Stapleton
Chris Stapleton
3 years ago
Reply to  Trevor Q

Yes, but this pathetic attempt at a power grab is the kind of transparent overreach I have come to expect from Remainiers who thought they owned the political discourse, only to have it snatched away by the deplorables of the electorate.

DPS Field
DPS Field
3 years ago

Oh leave us alone, we lost, we don’t much care anymore….find someone else to blame….. your “Remainiers” are just a random tag to point your ire at…….

Hamish McDougal
Hamish McDougal
3 years ago
Reply to  DPS Field

You prefer Remoaner? Remaniacs?

DPS Field
DPS Field
3 years ago

I’m mostly preferring not name calling tbh…. haven’t had a good moan about remaining more than a year or more… so not moaning, not being a maniac, not hating on those of you loving the Brexit… just working, paying taxes and getting on with stuff..

Paul N
Paul N
3 years ago

You won – get over it!

Clem Alford
Clem Alford
3 years ago
Reply to  Trevor Q

And I as an atheist kafir, won’t be voting for Khan. Don’t want London streets renamed and statues depicting both the good and the bad in British history pulled down.

Last edited 3 years ago by Clem Alford
Waldo Warbler
Waldo Warbler
3 years ago
Reply to  Trevor Q

True enough – but the most disturbing thing about this is the role of the BBC in deliberately amplifying and exaggerating the significance of a number of utter non-stories.
The most egregiously stupid is the Dyson nonsense. I have even seen idiot “journalists” in one newspaper describe it as an attempt at tax evasion.
It is a very simple situation: Imagine you are asked to volunteer to work on a critical project in another country for 4 1/2 months. However, if you volunteer, there is a chance that the country you go to help will try to tax you (at double your normal tax rate) on your entire year’s earnings – including income earned in the country where you normally live.
Would you volunteer? If the answer is “no,” then you understand why Dyson needed assurances before he could ask his Singapore-based staff to work on the ventilator project.
It is time the BBC was brought to heel.

Andrew Thompson
Andrew Thompson
3 years ago
Reply to  Waldo Warbler

Its time the BBC was brought to heel by all their editorial staff and reporters being replaced en mass. Despicable bias.

Chris Hopwood
Chris Hopwood
3 years ago
Reply to  Trevor Q

Same old tories same old sleaze

Waldo Warbler
Waldo Warbler
3 years ago
Reply to  Chris Hopwood

Please explain how the Dyson tale is “sleaze”

Simon Flynn
Simon Flynn
3 years ago
Reply to  Waldo Warbler

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He can’t. He can only throw tired cliches around.
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Original thought is beyond him.
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And as for making a case for ‘his’ views – well, forget it!
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John Wilkes
John Wilkes
3 years ago
Reply to  Chris Hopwood

You mean like selling peerages and passports?

Andrew Thompson
Andrew Thompson
3 years ago
Reply to  Trevor Q

Like the line in the Hokey Cokey: ‘……..And that’s what its all about’

James Slade
James Slade
3 years ago

These stories don’t matter because there isn’t a credible opposition. Voters would rather have Boris running the country rather than the people that thought a terrorist supporting racist should be PM. Until such times that changes these stories won’t change voters minds. The cash for honours and the dodgy dossier didn’t put a dent in Tony Blair for the same reason

Zach Thornton
Zach Thornton
3 years ago
Reply to  James Slade

The opposition is not credible because it is fragmented. The Conservative’s successfully unified the Brexit vote, which is the most important schism in British politics today. There is a realignment going on and one cannot know where it will lead. The most well-off households in Britain are now less likely to vote Tory than the average person. This is an almost incomprehensible development compared with even 10 years ago. The reverse is true of uneducated and unskilled labourers who are now more likely to vote Tory than the average person. British politics is not delineated between left or right in the sense of big versus small government. The primary difference between people is their sense of identity, in essence, British sovereignty first versus global cooperation. Right now, the group supportng British sovereignty first are voting exclusively for the Tory’s but the globalists while broadly a majority – more people voted Labour, Liberal and Green than Tory in 2019, 2017 and 2015 – are fractured between various political parties. It’s not hard to envisage a new faction or leader in politics quickly changing the status quo and managing to coalesce the remain vote around a set of core values and aspirations. Minority party rule cannot last forever. Even more so when you examine changing demographics across England as graduates and ethnic minorities move out of cities and begin to influence politics in the surrounding commuter hinterland.

Last edited 3 years ago by Zach Thornton
James Slade
James Slade
3 years ago
Reply to  Zach Thornton

Self deluding nonsense. Brexit is a symptom of the left’s problem not the reason. The middle class metropolitan left is actively hostile to main stream views in the country. It had a moral choice and it chose an Iranian supporting racist while calling anyone who disagreed with been ruled by unaccountable incompetent bureaucracy racists. Until the metropolitan left work that they might actually be wrong Boris will be in power. Nobody cares that you all agree over quail and claret at high table.

Zach Thornton
Zach Thornton
3 years ago
Reply to  James Slade

Brexit is a reaction against the perceived assault on national sovereignty arising from the forces of globalisation and an increasingly multi-ethnic nation. Brexit has little to do with the traditional left-right split. There’s lots of polling data in regards people’s changing attitudes that bares this out. Electoral Calculus is particularly good. By all means, keep your head buried in the sand but the status quo will not last.

James Slade
James Slade
3 years ago
Reply to  Zach Thornton

So you all didn’t tell everyone to vote for a terrorist supporting racist because he was against Brexit. Hint the fact the a terrorist supporting racist was elected twice to the leader of a self avowed anti racist party might be a problem. Every time the left wonders off into Bennism, the working class vote tory. They did it in the 80s and now they do it again. It wasn’t Margo and Jerry from the golf club that kept the tories in power for 18 years.

Zach Thornton
Zach Thornton
3 years ago
Reply to  James Slade

Most working class people voted Labour even in the 1980s. Mondeo man was a media trope and not the rule. Again, go and read the historical election and polling data for yourself. The point is that 2021 is not 1981. There are key differences between the two eras and you’re failing to grasp the new schism in British politics, in my opinion. We are in the midst of a great political realignment.

Zach Thornton
Zach Thornton
3 years ago
Reply to  James Slade
James Slade
James Slade
3 years ago
Reply to  Zach Thornton

It’s no skin off my nose, you can believe what you want, just don’t be surprised if the tories are still in power in in another 15 years.

Zach Thornton
Zach Thornton
3 years ago
Reply to  James Slade

Does the evidence not fit with your point of view? Considering our rigid electoral system I certainly would not be surprised if we had another 20 years of minority party rule. Nonetheless, the system is unstable and the ongoing realignment may take us in a direction that no one can predict.

Last edited 3 years ago by Zach Thornton
James Slade
James Slade
3 years ago
Reply to  Zach Thornton

Hint they have been in power 10 years and have just increased their majority.

Zach Thornton
Zach Thornton
3 years ago
Reply to  James Slade

As I say, they have our unfair and unrepresentative electoral system to thank for that.

Jon Redman
Jon Redman
3 years ago
Reply to  Zach Thornton

What a dim argument. It’s a breath of stale air that takes me back to 1983, and to outraged student lefties fulminating about how 56% “voted against” Fatcha. Of course by those lights, 72% “voted against” the cretin Foot and 74% “voted against” the SDP. Likewise in 2019, 70% “voted against” the terrorist-fe||ating Iran-smooching anti-Semite Corbyn.

Zach Thornton
Zach Thornton
3 years ago
Reply to  Jon Redman

If you think Lib Dem and Green voters have more common with a Brexit Tory Party you’re seriously deluded. One wonders how long this forum will be moaning about Corbyn and using his name as an excuse for Johnson’s corruption.

Last edited 3 years ago by Zach Thornton
Matt Sutcliffe
Matt Sutcliffe
3 years ago
Reply to  James Slade

The boundary changes will certainly level the playing field and benefit the tories in the next couple of elections when compared to the past couple of elections.

Niobe Hunter
Niobe Hunter
3 years ago
Reply to  Zach Thornton

I like bares it out (sic). Market research has got a lot more exciting since I was involved in it, obviously.

Clem Alford
Clem Alford
3 years ago
Reply to  Zach Thornton

Sharia will become the dominant law as the Muslim demographic is racing ahead of the white indigenous Brits. Political Islam is clever. The womb is also seen as a weapon and where women are seen as the tool of Allah for making soldiers for Allah.
I am looking at a Muslim prayer mat start up. Want to invest?

Clem Alford
Clem Alford
3 years ago
Reply to  Clem Alford

Wait until you experience it. I have had loads of times. Don’t play music it’s against my religion I was told by an imam at a wedding. Go and research political Islam. They have 1400 years experience and are winning. Pleased I won’t be around to see the result having been to Islamic lands.

Zach Thornton
Zach Thornton
3 years ago
Reply to  Clem Alford

I’ve lived in Bethnal Green, have Muslim friends and my girlfriend comes from a Muslim family. Nothing sinister at all. They are all amazing people, moderate and committed to mainstream secular values. You are blinded by bigotry.

Hamish McDougal
Hamish McDougal
3 years ago
Reply to  Zach Thornton

The overwhelming majority of Muslims are NOT terrorists BUT the overwhelming majority of terrorists are Muslims.

Zach Thornton
Zach Thornton
3 years ago

There are a plethora of non-state violent groups in the world using terror as a tactic. Some Muslim and many not. Do you have a citation for your assertion? In the UK circa 30% of referrals to Prevent are white supremacists or alt-right fascists. The proportion is increasing year-on-year.

Hamish McDougal
Hamish McDougal
3 years ago
Reply to  Zach Thornton

I talk not of thinkers or talkers, but of DOERS. And I make no apologies for considering only Europe, my (& probably your) home, not elsewhere.

Last edited 3 years ago by Hamish McDougal
Paul N
Paul N
3 years ago

In Ireland, most of the terrorists are not muslim. I wouldn’t call them particularly christian either, mind. As one old local put it, they are no great prop to either community.

Last edited 3 years ago by Paul N
Hamish McDougal
Hamish McDougal
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul N

Maybe I should have said England, instead of Europe. Anyroad, Ireland is a special case. And, circumstances there do seem to change.

Waldo Warbler
Waldo Warbler
3 years ago
Reply to  Zach Thornton

Ever spent time in the Middle East?

Bertie B
Bertie B
3 years ago
Reply to  Zach Thornton

Your argument here appears to be, if everyone who didn’t vote for the party that had the most votes, had all voted for the same alternative, then that alternative would have won.
The key problem with that argument is that the last time any party got more than 50% of the vote was 1935, before that 1931 – and both of those were Conservative majorities.
Minority party rule cannot last forever – this proves it. But one (or even 2) occurance of it doesn’t fundamentally change the political system.
The voters are fractured, smaller parties will always get a small percentage of the vote and the larger parties will incorporate their policies to attempt to woo those people who voted for them. Thinking of politics more as a series of pressure groups rather than the left vs right might help

Last edited 3 years ago by Bertie B
Zach Thornton
Zach Thornton
3 years ago
Reply to  Bertie B

FPTP only works in a solidly 2-party state and even then I believe it forces far too broad a church on the main political parties and leads to far too many votes counting for nothing.
A majority of votes in 2019 were for political parties advocating for a second referendum on Brexit. It’s funny how a narrow majority in a referendum is enough for massive constitutional change and the removal people’s EU citizenship but when it comes to General Elections we are perfectly happy with a minority winner takes all approach. If Labour had a backbone they would immediately champion a more proportional voting system. The Tories will not because they are quite happy with minority rule.

Graeme Laws
Graeme Laws
3 years ago
Reply to  Zach Thornton

If we go proportional representation, in any one of the available formats, we will end up with more or less permanent coalitions. Which may or may not be a bad thing, but carries two big problems. First, the loss of the constituency MP. Secondly, no-one will know when they go to the polls how much of whose manifesto will survive the coalition horse trading. If we go that way, we should do it with a total constitutional re-think, put to a referendum, on the basis that it will need more than a Commons majority of one to overturn it.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
3 years ago
Reply to  Graeme Laws

Good summary. I’d add that the actual result depends a lot on political culture in addition to the voting system (consider Denmark v. Italy v. Israel), and that it is hard to predict what political culture would evolve in the UK post-FPTP. The big advantage of a proportional system is that voters have choices (!), so it becomes very hard to govern against a strongly held majority opinion. In a proportional system, Corbyn would never have a chance of being in full control of a parliamentary majority, for instance.

Last edited 3 years ago by Rasmus Fogh
Zach Thornton
Zach Thornton
3 years ago
Reply to  Graeme Laws

The voting system in Scotland is a mixture of a proportional list and larger constituencies with a direct representative. I’d favour the introduction of the AMS system that works well in the devolved assemblies being used for future general elections. If it’s part of a winning manifesto pledge then there’s no reason for a referendum.

Niobe Hunter
Niobe Hunter
3 years ago
Reply to  Zach Thornton

So the removal people have EU citizenship, but the rest of us don’t? Is it something to do with packing cases?
I think your arguments would be more persuasive if you could be bothered to read them before posting.

Waldo Warbler
Waldo Warbler
3 years ago
Reply to  Zach Thornton

British sovereignty first versus global cooperation…” 
With respect, this is nonsense. NATO is one of the most successful inter-governmental; alliances ever. It has mostly kept us safe for decades, despite the best efforts of idiot eurocrats to undermine it. Being a member of NATO entails absolutely no surrender of sovereignty.

Paul N
Paul N
3 years ago
Reply to  Waldo Warbler

We’re not allowed to declare war on the French though. Some may consider than an unacceptable sacrifice…

Waldo Warbler
Waldo Warbler
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul N

🙂
But, that was a sovereign agreement at the start of the NATO treaty. We did not confer on NATO the powers to make changes to the rules that we were subsequently obliged to follow.
It is akin to the difference between signing a contract to join a gym versus giving the gym power of attorney over your life.

Last edited 3 years ago by Waldo Warbler
Zach Thornton
Zach Thornton
3 years ago
Reply to  Waldo Warbler

They’re broad categories but nationalism vs globalism is the key divide in British politics as opposed to fiscal conservatism vs tax and spend.
Nationalism scale
Anti-EU / suspicious of sharing sovereignty / critical of climate change accords / critical of immigration
Globalism
Pro-EU / positive about multiculturalism / concerned about climate change
I don’t think the above broad categories negate the benefits of NATO. There are going to be elements of cross-over between the two but I think the overall picture is useful for understanding British politics in 2021.

Tom Graham
Tom Graham
3 years ago
Reply to  Zach Thornton

No, the difference is between people who do real work for a living, who now all vote Tory, and students, welfare queens and those with bulls*** jobs who vote Labour.

Zach Thornton
Zach Thornton
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Graham

One wonders what ‘real’ is subtext for but whatever you really mean there’s no point discussing politics with someone pushing such baseless stereotypes.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
3 years ago

Who really gives a toss about a measly £58K?

The real question is what the hell has happened to the £37 billion, yes billion, that has been squandered on this “Trick & Trace “ nonsense?

Riccardo Tomlinson
Riccardo Tomlinson
3 years ago

That’s how much was budgeted for 2 years. As I understand less than one sixth of that has been spent.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
3 years ago

What £6 billion already!?

That’s the cost of one Ski Jump Aircraft Carrier and its American planes!

Time to “cut & and run”, and save the other £31 billion.

Thank you.

Last edited 3 years ago by CHARLES STANHOPE
Tom Graham
Tom Graham
3 years ago

And most of that was spent on testing – tens of millions of tests – not T & T.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Graham

Thank you.
I wonder who owns the Testing monster?

Last edited 3 years ago by CHARLES STANHOPE
Geoffrey Simon Hicking
Geoffrey Simon Hicking
3 years ago

There are days when I wish someone would destroy the British media. It is badly informed, prone to hysterics, and cannot be held to account.

The media will always win. If the media becomes corrupted, it cannot be stopped.

Johnny Sutherland
Johnny Sutherland
3 years ago

Not sure you could build a bonfire big enough 🙁

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago

Well it’s doing a pretty good job of destroying itself. Very few people people believe it any more, and more and more people refuse to pay for it.

Clem Alford
Clem Alford
3 years ago

Becomes?? Has been for a long time.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
3 years ago

Yesterday you were singing the praises of Herman and I was rather curious.
Herman got fairly savagely criticised for numerous errors in ‘To Rule the Waves’…. including the upside down Union flag on the cover.

Is he up to the standard of N.A.M. Rodger or Andrew Gordon for example

Geoffrey Simon Hicking
Geoffrey Simon Hicking
3 years ago

He is an excellent single-volume introduction to the 18th century. Even though he may be wrong on stuff, there is no other popular work that mentions the War of Austrian Succession or Suffren’s exploits in one volume, etc etc etc. The general stuff is all there and is pretty A OK. Some of his WW2 stuff is a bit off, and his Jutland account is so hilariously romanticised that it isn’t real history at all.

…but then that’s weirdly ok. You KNOW it’s so off you’ll look for the real thing elsewhere. Where he gets it right, he’s very good. Going from the 14th century up to the Falklands while avoiding the usual stupid pitfalls like “battleships obsolete off Malaya”, or “Nelson invented everything” is a pretty good achievement.

If you want the full detail, go NAM. Herman’s a good introduction to the RN’s history for a 14 year old…. which I was when I first read it. Herman provides the context that you can place NAM’s detail in.

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Jon Redman
Jon Redman
3 years ago

I’d vote for that as long as the destroying starts with the BBC.

Jez O'Meara
Jez O'Meara
3 years ago

Carrie is the weak spot that Boris Johnson can ill afford, for whatever reasons she appears to be a lightening rod for a lot of the turmoil in downing street.

Kathryn Richards
Kathryn Richards
3 years ago
Reply to  Jez O'Meara

True, but I do wonder just how valid it all is. Who is leaking this, and why? To discredit Boris?

Clem Alford
Clem Alford
3 years ago

Honey trap. Profumo, Christine Keeler comes to mind.

steve horsley
steve horsley
3 years ago

come on,boris discredits himself.the man is a proven liar,no denying.

Josie Bowen
Josie Bowen
3 years ago
Reply to  Jez O'Meara

Perhaps you’ll hear “get out of my flat” once again, only this time from no. 10.

Albireo Double
Albireo Double
3 years ago

I’m afraid that many in the media are just as narcissistic as the politicians. They all think that they amount to something, or that their vacuous witterings are worth listening to. After all, these are people who appear to think that Twitter is real life – and that it matters, even one tiny bit. How deluded can people be?
Meanwhile out there in the real world, the 99.9% of us just get on with our lives, and occasionally look in through the little Westminster window and chuckle wryly at the preening self-obsession, narcissism and self-absorbtion on display.
The Oscars this year had about a fifth of its audience of 4 years ago – a steepening of a years-long decline. And this in a year when we were all at home with not too much to do! That says better than anything I can say, about the utter disconnect between us, and the world’s luvvies, politicos and their-hangers on.

Kevin Thomas
Kevin Thomas
3 years ago

It is worryingly reminiscent of the American media’s behaviour during the Trump administration, which was to exaggerate, or entirely fabricate, a new scandal or outrage every week in the hope that one of them would bring him down or that the sum of them all would damage his image with enough voters. God help us if that is what the British media is turning into. Plenty of them seem to really hate Boris, largely for making fools of them over Brexit. I agree that none of the current stories will do much harm. I could care less what he says in private or who nearly paid for the number 10 redecorations.

Al Johnson
Al Johnson
3 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Thomas

Yes, that’s an insightful point. The Remainer press haven’t forgiven him, or voters, for Brexit.

Chris Hopwood
Chris Hopwood
3 years ago
Reply to  Al Johnson

The Daily Mail is a brexiteer paper

Niobe Hunter
Niobe Hunter
3 years ago
Reply to  Chris Hopwood

It used to be. It’s current editor was a prominent campaigner for Remain ( as soon as the owners changed their minds)

Zach Thornton
Zach Thornton
3 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Thomas

Compared to say, Trump’s sincerity, honesty and integrity on display during press interviews on a weekly basis. He so corrupted basic human values that honest reporting was deemed lies. A sorry state of affairs.

Andrew Best
Andrew Best
3 years ago

Is it a disgusting example of greed and believing they are worth it, yes
Is it immoral, yes
Do we as individuals and a country have more important things to worry about, yes
Saying a politician is suspect and a bit grubby is like saying fish swim in the sea, no s**t Sherlock!
Next you will tell me that the labour say they love the NHS and the Tories want to sell it to the highest bidder, never heard that before.
Your only there for a few years so just do your job, running the country and helping us don’t worry about pleasing your girlfriend, your probably dump her for a younger model soon anyway

A anyotherbizniz
A anyotherbizniz
3 years ago

I agree nobody should care that much about a few thousand spent refurbishing Number 10. But we should all be concerned when the PMs go-to response when asked about it is to lie and to send his Cabinet out to dissemble on his behalf.

He should have owned up and shrugged it off, so we could all have moved on. Instead of which we are all tangled up in the web of deceit he has spun.

Decorations don’t matter. Lies do.

steve horsley
steve horsley
3 years ago

he s an expert.

Peter LR
Peter LR
3 years ago

If it looks like a gossip article (ie nothing to substantiate facts; or clearly deliberate misrepresentation, I don’t waste time reading it). What galls me is the way we have surrendered to expediency in order to promote a binary view: that is, there is no longer any pang of conscience about deliberately misrepresenting or misquoting to bring someone down. We probably no longer notice how many headlines are encased in quotes which is the nearest they get to owning up to gossip.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
3 years ago

The MAIN issue is that the prime minister is increasingly influenced by his girlfriend.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
3 years ago

Messalina comes to mind.

Colin Macdonald
Colin Macdonald
3 years ago

58K is a lot, to be sure, on the other hand there must be plenty of proles living in Third World countries shocked that the leader of a G7 country lives in a flat, while their own leaders occupy presidential palaces. Erdogan’s stately pile is a prime example.

Harvey Johnson
Harvey Johnson
3 years ago

Apologies, but Turkey is not a ‘Third World’ country. The rest of your point is certainly valid, though.

Simon Baggley
Simon Baggley
3 years ago
Reply to  Harvey Johnson

The politics are – attempted military coup springs to mind

Stephen Pearson
Stephen Pearson
3 years ago

Bozza isn’t head of state though – why should he be given a palace? Surely 10 Downing St and Chequers are enough for him.

John Riordan
John Riordan
3 years ago

You might equally well ask why our Head of State has (I think) two palaces and multiple estates while the person who actually runs the State gets a poxy flat above the shop and a comparatively modest weekend retreat.

Clem Alford
Clem Alford
3 years ago

Doesn’t he own a couple of houses already?

Simon CHee
Simon CHee
3 years ago

not using public purse afaik–thats not the issue.

Judy Johnson
Judy Johnson
3 years ago

The actual sum isn’t the point. Is lying not the point? Once someone has lied, how do you know when to believe them?

Clem Alford
Clem Alford
3 years ago

And Putin and Modey

Richard Lord
Richard Lord
3 years ago

The prime minister of the UK receives a good but not over generous salary. Someone doing such a high pressure job, on behalf of us all, deserves to have a space where they can relax. Given the vast sums of money involved in government, surely it would be reasonable to allocate a sum of money to each incoming PM to decorate the Downing Street flat.

Jez O'Meara
Jez O'Meara
3 years ago
Reply to  Richard Lord

It’s a good wage but really when you stack the numbers, not sure what they get now is it 175k?

Run the country – 175k

Run bet365 – 465 million

I would much rather pay politicians “industry standard” wages BUT they be held much more accountable and have the best possible credentials for the roles. Higher pay might even attract far more competent people into the jobs that know how business, science, health, education work along with a keen sense for getting value for our money.

James Slade
James Slade
3 years ago
Reply to  Jez O'Meara

I know the argument pay peanuts, get monkeys but a highly paid monkey is still a monkey. The idea that someone who can earn 100s of millions elsewhere is going to enter into the cauldron of public life for 300k a year is laughable.

Jez O'Meara
Jez O'Meara
3 years ago
Reply to  James Slade

Isnt the idea that ANYONE earning hundreds of millions for doing a role laughable 🙂 but yes beside the point I guess.

I was thinking of paying sensible industry standard wages in the hope of attracting better more accountable and qualified talent.

Clem Alford
Clem Alford
3 years ago
Reply to  Jez O'Meara

I would do it for way less but I will have to save up to buy a smart suit and get a haircut. Don’t need tha latter. Got the PM look.

Betty Fyffe
Betty Fyffe
3 years ago
Reply to  Jez O'Meara

But that hasn’t worked.

Betty Fyffe
Betty Fyffe
3 years ago
Reply to  Jez O'Meara

That was Shirley Williams’s argument – except that our politicians became better paid, but certainly not higher calibre.

Grant Evans
Grant Evans
3 years ago
Reply to  Richard Lord

they get £ 30 K each year whilst in office.

Ian Wigg
Ian Wigg
3 years ago
Reply to  Richard Lord

Could you imagine any other developed country kicking up so much fuss over spending £58k on the presidents’ apartments? It’s like the outrage over the cost of renovating the Speaker’s apartments and The Palace of Westminster. They’re Grade 1 Listed Buildings which means everything about them is prescribed in minute detail and such stuff costs a lot of money.

psciagar
psciagar
3 years ago
Reply to  Richard Lord

They do, it’s £30,000. The £58,000 is an overspend.

Betty Fyffe
Betty Fyffe
3 years ago
Reply to  psciagar

As Dolly Parton said “It cost a lot of money to look this cheap”.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
3 years ago
Reply to  Richard Lord

The Head of the London Fire Brigade gets £240K. That’s the power of ‘collective bargaining’ for you.

Chris Hopwood
Chris Hopwood
3 years ago

Does the Head of the London Fire Brigade get provided with a London town house, country estate, chauffeur driven Range Rovers to take the family to the pub on a Sunday lunchtime, £115K to run an office in retirement etc etc??

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
3 years ago
Reply to  Chris Hopwood

Or the personal protection team even?
No, I think not, but a damned good pension of about £16OK pa.

Cynthia Neville
Cynthia Neville
3 years ago

Well written.

Al Johnson
Al Johnson
3 years ago

India isn’t the story here.

The story is that we’re sleepwalking into a totalitarian state while the political elite argues over wallpaper.

Mike Boosh
Mike Boosh
3 years ago
Reply to  Al Johnson

“have sleepwalker into…” I’m afraid. The only question is, will we ever be allowed out, and what totalitarian control measures will they leave in place if/when some restrictions are eased?

Peter LR
Peter LR
3 years ago

Alison, from where do you get all this inside information; do you work in Downing Street? I ask because you state things as fact?

Will Podmore
Will Podmore
3 years ago

Pro-EU media attack pro-Brexit PM – hardly news, is it?

Zach Thornton
Zach Thornton
3 years ago
Reply to  Will Podmore

I totally agree, after all, it was only that famous Europhile publication The Daily Mail that broke the ‘bodies piled high’ story.

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Gorgia Verolini-Wright
Gorgia Verolini-Wright
3 years ago

I guess journos generally focus on writing articles which get major responses. I was appalled this am to see the quality (lack of, generally) of comments under an article in the Times attacking Boris. It doesn’t appear to matter what he does, he is always attacked in the same way by the same people in large numbers & that phenomenon will continue to drive these ridiculous articles ..

Kevin Thomas
Kevin Thomas
3 years ago

This is it though, it’s entirely people who already hate him, whether for Brexit or lockdown or consigning Corbyn to the dustbin of history, just grabbing at whatever story comes along that is supposedly bad for him. I doubt there is one person in the country who is genuinely angry that a Tory donor nearly paid for the redecoration rather than Boris. If there is, they should seek help.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
3 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Thomas

Does depend which Tory donor it is, (Dyson? Lex Greensill? Nicola Sturgeon? One of Putin’s tame oligarchs? Huawei? ..) and what he expects to get in return. Well, we do not know till we are told, do we?

Clem Alford
Clem Alford
3 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Thomas

Who gives a shit about any of them while trying to survive on a lousy state pension.

Sean MacSweeney
Sean MacSweeney
3 years ago

Can’t even begin to articulate the contempt that I harbour for the MSM and their vulture “fake news” style of journalism

willy Daglish
willy Daglish
3 years ago

Glad I am not the only disgusted by this pointless non-scandal.

Steve J
Steve J
3 years ago

I don’t care about Westminster gossip. I don’t care how the PM paid for redecorating his mistress’s boudoir.
I do care that Johnson is an awful, authoritarian Prime Minister who has trashed the economy, public finances, civil liberties and children’s education in response to a virus that doesn’t present a very big risk for most of the population.

Richard Lord
Richard Lord
3 years ago
Reply to  Steve J

Tell that to India!

Harvey Johnson
Harvey Johnson
3 years ago
Reply to  Steve J

This comment was going so well right up until the last line there.

Kathryn Richards
Kathryn Richards
3 years ago
Reply to  Steve J

You obviously missed the bit about ‘bodies piled high’ specifically because he did NOT want to close the country down.

Steve J
Steve J
3 years ago

I didn’t miss it. I don’t care what was said in the discussions leading up to lockdown #2. I care that he implemented lockdown #2.

steve horsley
steve horsley
3 years ago
Reply to  Steve J

he was sold to us as a Conservative.what happened there?

Mike Wylde
Mike Wylde
3 years ago

I’m not sure I remember quite as much fuss over Bercow’s wallpaper. Even with the possibility it might have been chosen by his wife.

Phineas Finn
Phineas Finn
3 years ago

Seldom have I read such drivel. Pick 3 historical ‘bad-guys’; add the lad Boris to the witches’ brew (as a piquant foil) and hey presto- you have the makings of a mid-week article for the ‘herd’ community. It will take better writing than this to get me to financially subscribe to Unherd.

hijiki7777
hijiki7777
3 years ago

If the matter is so trivial, why doesn’t Johnson give straight answers to straight questions? If it were trivial, then that would be easy to do, right?
Why has he let this story string out over so many days, and who can tell when it will end? All he has to do is follow the ministerial code of conduct, or if he thinks it needs changing then he should change it. We have had these stories coming over for many years now. I recall the scandal over a Labour minister’s wallpaper. We didn’t hear the Tories then claim it was a minor matter. The ministerial code is meant to stop this kind of thing. If you don’t like it, don’t be prime minister. There was no shortage of other candidates.

Stephen Rose
Stephen Rose
3 years ago

Oh dear, my recollection about Pugin wallpaper seems to have been taken down. For balance I could mention Sir Michael Heseltine and the deputy priministral carpet. My point is politics has its share of venality, like every other area of human contest. When parties attack soft furnishings, its a sure sign of frustration.

hughrosetrian
hughrosetrian
3 years ago

Vaccines take time to administer and work. It would probably be of much more help to the Indian health services today to receive immediate supplies of oxygen and the unused equipment from our unused Nightingale hospitals.

Peter James
Peter James
3 years ago

One after another, the big names of British political journalism puffed themselves up to express their moral indignation.” I was amazed (and shocked) by this. Every time one of them spoke I was expecting the killer shot to launched at the open goal. ‘Mr Cummings, maybe I misheard, please confirm that you drove 60 miles to check your eyesight.’ The killer question never came, they all droned their statements of moral indignation.

Patrick O'Connell
Patrick O'Connell
3 years ago

20 bedsteads, 600 concubines? 30 concubines to a bed? Too crowded!

Paul Booth
Paul Booth
3 years ago

In my view the state should pay for the redecoration of the flat that is in the head of government’s official home.

T J Putnam
T J Putnam
3 years ago

Sadly the PM and his friends are not on your side, Peter. Whatever the subject, they conspire to push their personal foibles to the fore because they imagine they can carry on as they like. People will come to believe it’s endemic and any other Government would be better. Time to get a grip.

Antony Hirst
Antony Hirst
3 years ago

Boris has got Brexit Done and won the phoney war against a virus. So now all the ‘difficult’ things are out of the way, the knives are out.
The fact is Boris is unfit to lead. Fact(er) is that so is the whole of Westminster.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
3 years ago
Reply to  Antony Hirst

Exactly, well said.

jonathan carter-meggs
jonathan carter-meggs
3 years ago

NO ONE CARES!!

Andrew Baldwin
Andrew Baldwin
3 years ago

Peter writes: “Covid, however, made politics heavy again. Suddenly it became impossible to prevail through rhetorical means alone. The politicians who tried, such as Donald Trump or Ursula von der Leyen, came badly unstuck.” He shouldn’t try to rewrite history. Trump made a lot of mistakes in dealing with the pandemic, but he was also responsible for Operation Warp Speed. These drive-by sneers at Trump are becoming habitual on Peter’s part. I suggest he write two or three columns that will represent his full Trump takedown, and then we can judge his arguments on their merits. What does he think of Trump’s making the C-CPI-U the escalator for elements in the US income tax?

Stuart Bennett
Stuart Bennett
3 years ago

I’ve all but lost interest in the news and daily politics for exactly the reasons expressed here by Peter Franklin. The empty puerile nature of almost everything put int front of me is insulting, and yet papers sell. The bottom of the barrel is nearly worn through.

And yet people continue to click click click… where does the problem really lie? Is it the professions of politics and journalism or the audience? I’ve not settled on an answer yet.

Last Jacobin
Last Jacobin
3 years ago

But don’t forget that last autumn, the media were more interested in attacking Kate Bingham for who she’s married to and who she went to school with, than understanding her vital work with the Vaccine Taskforce
As far is it goes this is fair enough. But without transparent systems for determining how people like Bingham or Dido Harding get appointed it does look as though roles are given out based on personal friendships and the result can be positive (as with vaccines) or negative (as with Test and Trace). These issues are too important for the outcome to be determined by whether or not your mate’s wife turns out to be a good egg or a bad one.
Yes, the £58k may seem unimportant but has to be seen in context of all the things that are important that are brushed aside – inquiry into handling of Covid, illegal prorogation of parliament, ministers breaching their own code, EHRC finding Home Office broke race laws over hostile environment, VIP procurement streams. The £58k is important because of all the other more important things that this government shrugs aside or slips out of dealing with.

Johnny Sutherland
Johnny Sutherland
3 years ago
Reply to  Last Jacobin

When you have a few months to mess around with going through a nice selection process (multiple panels, psychometric testing etc) is brilliant. However, when the house is on fire ….

Judy Johnson
Judy Johnson
3 years ago

Well said Alison. Since Boris became PM I have assumed that he lied to his family when he was having adulterous relationships and would therefore definitely lie to those he has never met such as the electorate. Consequently what he says is of little interest to me.

Kathryn Richards
Kathryn Richards
3 years ago
Reply to  Judy Johnson

That has to be one of the daftest comments.
If you accept that someone who lies to their spouse about an affair will automatically lie to everyone else around them, then you must assume that, something like, 25% of the population lie to everyone all the time.
As for wallpapergate. I don’t care – as long as the taxpayer didn’t pay.
The apparent fact (no proof as yet) that Carrie spent £200000 disgusts me, but then again, it is a listed building and belongs to the nation.
I do wonder who else has re-decorated, and how much they spent. Mrs Blair?

Judy Johnson
Judy Johnson
3 years ago

The fact he is a liar matters more to me than how much he spends on wallpaper.

Mike Wylde
Mike Wylde
3 years ago
Reply to  Judy Johnson

He’s a politician, therefore he lies.

Zach Thornton
Zach Thornton
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Wylde

Surely a get out of jail free card no matter how egregious their behaviour? Politicians are just people, therefore, they are not all the same.

Clem Alford
Clem Alford
3 years ago
Reply to  Zach Thornton

Politicians are all the same, shits.

Zach Thornton
Zach Thornton
3 years ago

I am less inclined to trust serial philanderers and proven liars in my personal life, as I am sure you are too.

Clem Alford
Clem Alford
3 years ago

And the Blair’s bad taste. Costs more to cover it up!

Fennie Strange
Fennie Strange
3 years ago

“In this country we now have a choice…” Do we? Do we really? I’d be very grateful if someone – anyone – could explain to me how I exercise that choice.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
3 years ago
Reply to  Fennie Strange

Bar shooting yourself, absolute nothing I’m afraid.

Rob Alka
Rob Alka
3 years ago

You have to wonder why politicians don’t fight back against the media. Answers that mislead or change the subject does make politics pathetic and reviled profession
Yet I think there are justifiable reasons why politicians choose to mislead or not be transparent with public or media:
1) Politicians have a right to personal privacy. Journalists (supposedly on behalf of the public) demand the right to check a politician’s integrity or morality. There needs to be a reason of substance to overrride giving a politician the benefit of the doubt.
 2) When politicians are negotiating a deal for the beneit of the countryor at least for mutual benefit, to give in to the deamd for transparency can hand the advantage to the other side whose interests are for their country, not ours. 
3) Companies entering into an arrangement with government have a right to personal and commercial privacy, with their ethics given benefit of the doubt. It is up to government to become familiar and comfortable with business rather than for business to learn how to tread on eggs when dealing with government.
4) Media abuses transparency by reporting selectively, ambiguously, with innuendo and with “quotations” unsourced. The agenda seeks to sensationalise a situation or harm a government whose politics a given media doesn’t subscribe to, or a politician whose scalp they are after for no good discernible reason. It is hard to imagine such reporting is inept or careless. There is wilful distortion that makes it almost impossible for politicians to tell it the way it is.
5) In almost any field, directors, executives or clerks have qualifications or experience that, if dissatisfied, can be taken to another employer. For a politician, there is no other employer in their field of expertise (such as it is!), so they must seek a new career, just like a doctor being struck off. This makes the insatiable demand for transparency insidious.
 

Nick Faulks
Nick Faulks
3 years ago

But he didn’t pay for it himself, did he? He hasn’t got any money. Somebody else paid for it, and we don’t know who. That’s the point.

Dave Smith
Dave Smith
3 years ago

We sure are grounded in the real. Internal passports on the way . First time ever an Englishman has ever been faced with such a thing in peacetime .. Freedom of movement and assembly on a knife edge and at the whim of the misery guts of sage and Robespierre’s mini me Hancock. I hope it is the little things that do for this government in the end. Like wallpaper and sofas.
I am not voting again .A pointless exercise which by taking part means that I half condone this assault on my way of life.
The financial future is horrendous and now this build back better drivel. It will all be made in China like these electric cars with batteries which need raw materials only buyable if China says so. Truth is the lot of them panicked last March. The NHS was not up to the job so the country had to be shut down for three weeks .That was a joke .It is still shut down and looks to be staying that way if sage is allowed zero covid.,
Yes it does matter that Carrie Antoinette and Johnson spend money like water on tacky designer gear for that tacky house in Downing St. The small businesses ruined, lives put on hold, children kept out of school and he and her spend thousands. It gets up our noses. It ‘s got up mine. I want him gone .
.

Tom Graham
Tom Graham
3 years ago

Why does the media hate Boris Johnson?
Four reasons:

  1. He is a Tory, and most journalists are left-wing Corbyn lovers.
  2. He led the successful campaign to take Britain out of the EU, and most journalists are screaming remaniacs.
  3. He was a journalist, and made shedloads of money doing it.
  4. He quit journalism for a wildly successful political career – becoming Mayor of London and Prime Minister.

Envy and political hatred. Hence the hysteria about curtains. It won’t ever stop as long as he is PM. The media really are lower than vermin. Anyone disagree?

Steve Gwynne
Steve Gwynne
3 years ago

The Medieval Court comes to my mind.

These self serving careerists are not heavy in real politics but heavy in unreal power games.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
3 years ago

OK, nasty intemperate remarks, and self-indulgent, semi-corrupt personal finances are not in themselves the biggest problem. If you had a prime minister who was otherwise honest, or competent, or had useful ideas, or cared about the country he is governing, or promoted good colleagues and practices, you could shrug your shoulders at some entitlement. Since what we have is Boris Johnson, we should instead consider that even Mobuto Sese Seko started small. It may be only the first time he is proroguing parliament to exclude it from important decisions, or hands out bucketloads of contracts to government chums, or finances his personal lifestyle by ‘loans’ from rich businessmen, but once we establish that this behaviour is OK for the prime minister – and his friends – it is unlikely to be the last.

Jez O'Meara
Jez O'Meara
3 years ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

Had to disagree here with you, a lot of very broad things you’ve thrown at the man here. I personally think the man does care for the country, is as honest as he can be in his position, and has done as good a job with the pressures of COVID, Brexit, the Union issues with Scotland as anyone can reasonably measure.

Harvey Johnson
Harvey Johnson
3 years ago
Reply to  Jez O'Meara

If he’s truly as honest as he can be in his position, we’re doomed.
Surely basic honesty should be the minimum.

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rr99x8zqgj
rr99x8zqgj
3 years ago
Reply to  Harvey Johnson

Oh for heavens sake – whatever happened the refurbishment was never going to cost the taxpayer anything so who cares.
My major problem is the peanuts we pay the PM (whoever it is) to run the country. Compared with the CEO of major companies the salary is ridiculous.
Perhaps the quality we get is our own making.
As for the honesty issue, the next time I hear a politician give an honest answer I’ll fall out of my chair. The problem however is the media – any honest answer would be accompanied by howls of derision and immediate demands for a resignation.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
3 years ago
Reply to  rr99x8zqgj

Sure, we ought to up the PM’s salary to £100 millon a year or so. Who knows, we might even get Philip Green to apply, if we are lucky!

D Ward
D Ward
3 years ago
Reply to  rr99x8zqgj

I think even Fishwife gets more than him, with her 5m people and wee Pretendy Parliament

Judy Johnson
Judy Johnson
3 years ago
Reply to  Harvey Johnson

I agree. Ads I wrote above, I assume he lied to his family when he was a serial adulterer and therefore he would lie whenever expedient to people he has never met – most of the electorate.

Johnny Sutherland
Johnny Sutherland
3 years ago
Reply to  Harvey Johnson

In politics – Shirley you must be joking.

Clem Alford
Clem Alford
3 years ago

‘Let them eat cake’ comes to mind.

Aden Wellsmith
Aden Wellsmith
3 years ago

Shows a lack of ambition 🙂

Hilary LW
Hilary LW
3 years ago

Johnson’s usefulness, such as it was (Get Brexit Done etc.) has long passed its sell-by date. He’s a liability in more ways than one, and now needs to be discredited. He’s known for some time that he’s trapped in this role, that he thought would be such fun – the cornered, hunted look of recent weeks says it all. He was easily snared by his narcissism, but he has the intelligence to realise that the end is nigh. He thought he could rely on his popularity, but there are far more powerful forces controlling the agenda. I almost feel sorry for him, except that he absolutely brought it on himself in his absurd pride. It’s like a Shakespearean tragedy, but with a terrible script.

Jorge Toer
Jorge Toer
3 years ago

A band of pundits opportunistic greedy people,,if you aadministered a country with corrupted actions ,down the road are citizens that will do the same ,results are ,the jungle.

Peter Dunn
Peter Dunn
3 years ago

Thoughtful&brilliant observations..& a superb piece of writing.

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago

Am I the first to come up with ‘Carrie Antoinette’?

Rob Alka
Rob Alka
3 years ago

“ruled by super-persons who consider themselves above the details of governance and are much more interested in fleeting moods and shifting narratives then anything concrete”
How does one become a super-person by pursuing what is titillating but lightweight and insignificant?
I fear the answer is that such a pursuit meshes with the interests or fascinations held by the majority of citizens
The implication then becomes that any politician who attempts to dismiss or rise above a self-entitled mischief-making media (eg by telling them in an interview where to get off) will face even more virulent character-assassination from a baying media mob, supported by its readers or viewers who preach but don’t practice a higher order of things.
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“Covid, however, made politics heavy again. Suddenly it became impossible to prevail through rhetorical means alone”
Don’t bet on it. Well, not until the current politicians get a brain or personality transplant or until the voting masses are prevented from choosing candidates whom they can identify with.

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Last edited 3 years ago by Rob Alka
steve horsley
steve horsley
3 years ago

this across the board standing behind boris johnson is sickening.writer after writer in the telegraph and times have done the same knowing full well that the pm is at it and wouldn t know the truth if it bit him on the arse.maybe they re frightened of who would take over.

Rob Alka
Rob Alka
3 years ago
Reply to  steve horsley

I’m “at it” too
Don’t we all want to be “at it”?
I don’t know if I want truth that bites me on the arse