Who on god’s earth are these people who handed over fifteen thousand dollars to this c**k to be part of his “Inner Circle”? For what, based on what? What did they think they were getting for it? It’s all very well complaining about the lack of value received but perhaps they should start by questioning their own judgement.
I would watch this loon’s anti-covid videos as I am exceedingly anti the insane response the Governments took, but once he said he needed that huge crowd funding I never watched him again. But I still hope he wins, as London needs a total Trumping as the horrid race industry runs the London Politics, and London needs to get real and get back to making money and pumping out culture. Currently it is about redistribution of money (except for the global elite, they get it handed to them by the billions as always) and culturally it is about rewriting history and art and culture to make the British Self-Loathing.
This guy will be just what is needed, crazy and out to make money every way possible and maybe stop the cultural decline, but not sure on that as I stopped watching him, and he is from California.
Seems to me this guy is a great candidate for the job. He lives in his own fantasy world, just like all politicians do. Would be refreshing to have a new narrative in charge. The old one is getting gray and torned.
He is a smart guy who has made millions. Who would not want to learn his secrets through personal mentoring?
Nigel Clarke
3 years ago
You should know that Fuller is/was a long time Channel 4 and BBC journalist, which isn’t mentioned in his very brief description above.
Make of that what you will, but to have been in the employ of the 2 most biased broadcasters in the UK for over 10 years suggests to me that whatever he is writing about is completely in line with those who pay him.
Perhaps for his next piece Fuller could do an equally damning expose of Kahn’s last 4 years and where all the money has gone, who he has taken money off, which people he regularly meets coupled with a bit of Kahn’s past legal history. There would undoubtedly be many online outlets that would publish such an expose, Unherd for instance…
David Fuller no longer works for Channel 4 nor BBC. As a freelance on C4, he was frozen out for his pro-Jordan Peterson work after the Cathy Newman interview. Fuller independently produced one of the first documentaries on JP, and it was sympathetic. Fuller continues to produce sympathetic vids on JP and the Intellectual Dark Web on his youtube channel.
I have found David Fuller never less than fair and balanced. I get the impression he continues to have a friendly relationship with JP.
So, never judge a book by its cover.
Agree Judy. David’s channel provides very valuable information. I feel that what is offered there is in alignment with what is offered at Unherd – sites offering alternatives to the mainstream, deeper analysis, highly qualified and interesting guests. And even if the writer of this article was some sort of ‘MSM shill’ the facts regarding Brian Rose are still facts! Rose’s scams deserve to be investigated by the police because in my view they rank as criminal behaviour.
Nigel, can I ask: how did you see my reply? Did you come back to the thread, or was it posted to your profile? I ask because the only way I can see replies is to remember where I commented and return to the threads!
Yes Judy. In the old format there was a tab above the comments which notified you of all replies and interactions with your comments. I was in contact with the Unherd tech people who were very sincere and said they were onto it (and even wrote back to check if I was “satisfied”). However, a couple of months later and nothing has happened. It’s a mystery. Due to the lack of this feature, I have almost completely stopped commenting here. It’s a shame.
David Fuller has that incredibly grating London-media, watched too much American tv, middle class accent that makes him sound like a 15 year old girl. Discriminatory though it is you can predict with utmost certainty what his views probably are from that alone sadly.
Tim Amor
3 years ago
He’s spent an awful lot of money on this and bored me rigid with pop-ups in the process. He must be pretty near to exceeding the legal campaign expenditure limit, and there’s still a month to go, so I hope he get prosecuted by the Electoral Commission.
Unfortunately, as the Tory campaign in 2010 and Tory campaigns since 2010 have shown, the Electoral Commission is pretty toothless. In 2010 money flooded in from a banker based in the Americas, which broke the regulations, but was laundered through a number of companies in the UK with a web of invoices and receipts to obscure their source. All the EC did ultimately was to complain about the obstructiveness of the companies in preventing the ultimate source of the money from being identified, even though his identity is perfectly well known to anyone involved even moderately in UK politics at the time.
I wonder if they are somehow manipulating the betting markets to give him publicity.
Chris Rimmer
3 years ago
“Yet in the consensus-based reality occupied by the rest of us […]”
Whatever Brian Rose has or hasn’t done that’s illegal or unethical, I’d just like to state for the record that I don’t believe that reality is determined by consensus.
Is the statistic that 97% of a sample of scientific papers which expressed an opinion on whether human activity had more than no effect at all on the climate said that, yes, they thought it had more effect than none? That’s what I remember of what I’ve heard, but do you have a good reference?
and hosted a slew of interviews with other controversial conspiracy figures from Infowars‘s Alex Jones to anti-vaccine activists Judy Mikovits and Robert Kennedy Jr.
Is there a consensus that all 3 of them are wrong about everything, and don’t deserve to be heard? I appreciated how they helped me to consider alternative interpretations of what I see, rather than trying to close people’s minds by using dismissive ad-hominems.
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Warren Alexander
3 years ago
Rose is about as likely to be elected Mayor of London as I am to be elected Queen of England.
Derek M
3 years ago
He;s hardly the UK’s first ‘post-truth’ politician, that ship sailed a long time ago.
As for the Icke interview it’s no different from BBC, Sky, Ch 4 etc allowing politicians and officials to make all sorts of assertions without evidence unchallenged, indeed that’s more dangerous as many more people take them seriously and they have real power
J J
3 years ago
This is how the political right in the UK now works. All you need to do is say you are a victim of powerful forces who wish to silence your message of truth. Then you can dismiss all counter arguments or objections as attempts to undermine you.
These forces are variously described as the: Elite, Establishment, Illuminati, Globalists, WEF, Great Reset, Communists etc They are almost never precisely defined. To do so would expose the stupidity of such a concept.
The smart ones among you would of worked out this is almost a mirror image of the strategy used by the Left, although they sometimes use slightly different oppressive groups.
I suspect people are beginning to see through these rather simplistic strategies. Unfortunately, reading some of the posts on this comments section, many still do embrace them.
This is how the political right left in the UK now works. FIFY
Lex Pagani
3 years ago
If the size of a Windsor knot is inversely proportional to the trust one can place in an individual, Brian Rose is down there with Philip Green and Bernie Madoff.
kecronin1
3 years ago
I love UnHerd. I want to hear essays pushing in all sorts of directions. I’ve seen a couple of Mr. Rose’s interviews, including one with Seth Godin, and thought they were informative. But it always boggled my mind that anyone would hand over good money for some master mind course with him.
Simon Newman
3 years ago
When I saw the Youtube vids I thought it was a parody/joke candidate.
David J
3 years ago
This man is new to me, though his conspiracy stuff isn’t.
My neighbour was (and is) a true believer in such things, even going to the trouble of creating a DIY Faraday cage to keep out assorted radiation, especially wi-fi, mobiles, 5G and much else.
Useless of course (I tested it) but keeps her happy.
About 4 years ago I met a lovely woman at the park who you could tell had a physical frailness about her. She told me she had been a teacher at a large middle school in LA. When she started getting headaches and other ailments the docs couldn’t figure it out. A colleague said it might be the Wi-Fi just installed at the school. She was skeptical as was her attorney husband. But as she learned more, she thought it was a possibility. When the school was asked to test the RF, they waited until school was out of session. She complained that they should have done it while school was in session with all the children’s laptops and phones in the room. Knowing how corrupt LAUSD is, their response wasn’t surprising. I think we won’t understand the impact form these frequencies for quite some time. https://theconversation.com/sonic-attacks-in-china-and-cuba-how-sound-can-be-a-weapon-97380
Err, wi-fi does not use audio frequencies. In fact it uses the same frequency that is used by microwave ovens, but obviously at much lower power levels. And why do microwaves use 2.4GHz? because that is the optimal frequency for exciting water molecules. i.e. the worst that could happen from too much wi-fi is a slight warming. Probably much less than the leakage from your microwave oven.
BTW newer forms of wi-fi use frequencies in the 5 GHz band.
The moniker Max Headroom has already attached itself to Keir Starmer, much as Steptoe did to his predecessor.
David Jory
3 years ago
So what you are saying is that Brian Rose is less corrupt, expensive and harmful to the citizens than the Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrats parties.
Steve Wesley
3 years ago
This is simply 20th century American TV evangelism reimagined for the 21st century. Every Rose has it’s thorn eh?
Yes I was reminded of Elmer Gantry. Fantastic film if you haven’t seen it with Burt Lancaster as the charismatic and criminal preacher.
Ed James
3 years ago
Was shocked when Brian Rose started publicising conspiracy theories about Covid-19 and how they started to get popular. Relieved he is so unlikely to get anywhere in the mayoral election.
tns1
3 years ago
The elections are a weak method of choosing the right person for the job. London has been a great trading capital of the UK, but in recent years or decades it is changing beyond it’s past sucess and stories slowly creep out of the place to the rural parts of the UK and we ex-Londoners are in the dark to the going ons. All I hope is that the hatred camp do not win and the commonsense candidate is the one we need the most. We are getting transport firms quoting huge prices to send goods to London and some even just say we do not do London. Please vote for a person that will make London the greatest city in the world again. You have the choice dropping onto your doormats. Choose wisely my friend the holy fail could be the result.
Dick Barrett
3 years ago
If he changed his name from “Rose” to “Rosebud” he could easily be the new Citizen Kane.
bell.mariana
3 years ago
He is a disgusting, image-obsessed, creepy, “self-development” scam artist. No amount of muscles or East European “stunners” can make him likeable or acceptable. A very unattractive man with the charisma of a bloated slug (and I am a person who agrees with many things he says).
Mike Spoors
3 years ago
For those of us in the UK who don’t see the Mayor of London election as quite on the same level as the POTUS election could those of you who do explain why we need to know about someone we have no affinity with? I mean who is this Sadiq Khan?
Peter Jackson
3 years ago
Another smear job. I read the smear job on Unherd of both George Galloway and Alex Salmond. I suppose this is in part because of the inherent small mindedness of Tory thinking and its media. I also suspect, however, that Unherd is being subverted by its neo con cousins…
David Mallinson
3 years ago
His campaign was never about winning the election for Mayor of London. It was always about building a brand, curiously named Brian Rose! When the voting is over and Khan remains as Mayor what will be left in the minds of Londoners? Brian Rose….challenger brand of course. And from there he can extend anywhere using his existing channel and subscribers. He is a canny operator, make no mistake about that.
Robin Lambert
3 years ago
Unfortunately Sadist Khan,the Pi***poor mayor of an EU regional assembly (UK isn’t in EU) Record Crime,Record business failures,etc..has 18 opponents 15 if you dont count Woke tories,lib-dims,green; the Opposition should have fielded 1 or at most 2 candidates,Now idiots like ”rejoin” have crawled out from under a Vaccine stone, I think londoners must be thick?> i lived there until 2018, i thank god I left the cycle lane madness & Violence behind..bon appetit!
Many of the people who drive the London economy live outside the city and do not get to vote.
John Stone
3 years ago
i don’t know a lot about Brian Rose – but if being sceptical of government agendas makes you “post-truth” that is just cheap sloganising. My belief is that 5G is not closely implicated in the spread of Covid but it is an incredibly dangerous technology which is a completely unnecessary development for ordinary civil communication. Shoddy article. I will probably vote for Fox or Kurten. Telling people 5G is benign is about as “post-truth” as you can get.
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Nick Faulks
3 years ago
A BBC journalist (ex) has decided that he really, really doesn’t like a minor would-be politician and writes ten pages about it. Why is this interesting?
Well, watching Rose interviewing the ex goalkeeping oddball David Icke, without asking for any evidence of Icke’s assertions, ands without a hint of irony, was hilarious. Much funnier than most post modern comedians.
Richard E
3 years ago
Richard Tice and Laurence Fox should withdraw and back this candidate.
I was thinking something similar.. is it not the time instead of individuals we start working as teams?.. is it not working together natural? the Old false divisions -right /left/ centre-.. is dying for a long time now.. it is only us we do not see what is in front of our eyes.. I believe entirely new fresh candidates required everywhere, but not standing as individuals but working together.. I would like to see Fox and Rose as mayors together.. that should be the new normal.. and that would be Our normal since a very long time ago..
Who on god’s earth are these people who handed over fifteen thousand dollars to this c**k to be part of his “Inner Circle”? For what, based on what? What did they think they were getting for it? It’s all very well complaining about the lack of value received but perhaps they should start by questioning their own judgement.
Caveat Emptor indeed
I was thinking exactly the same… Its hard to have too much sympathy for people who hand over that much without knowing exactly what they’re buying
I would watch this loon’s anti-covid videos as I am exceedingly anti the insane response the Governments took, but once he said he needed that huge crowd funding I never watched him again. But I still hope he wins, as London needs a total Trumping as the horrid race industry runs the London Politics, and London needs to get real and get back to making money and pumping out culture. Currently it is about redistribution of money (except for the global elite, they get it handed to them by the billions as always) and culturally it is about rewriting history and art and culture to make the British Self-Loathing.
This guy will be just what is needed, crazy and out to make money every way possible and maybe stop the cultural decline, but not sure on that as I stopped watching him, and he is from California.
Seems to me this guy is a great candidate for the job. He lives in his own fantasy world, just like all politicians do. Would be refreshing to have a new narrative in charge. The old one is getting gray and torned.
He is a smart guy who has made millions. Who would not want to learn his secrets through personal mentoring?
You should know that Fuller is/was a long time Channel 4 and BBC journalist, which isn’t mentioned in his very brief description above.
Make of that what you will, but to have been in the employ of the 2 most biased broadcasters in the UK for over 10 years suggests to me that whatever he is writing about is completely in line with those who pay him.
Perhaps for his next piece Fuller could do an equally damning expose of Kahn’s last 4 years and where all the money has gone, who he has taken money off, which people he regularly meets coupled with a bit of Kahn’s past legal history. There would undoubtedly be many online outlets that would publish such an expose, Unherd for instance…
David Fuller no longer works for Channel 4 nor BBC. As a freelance on C4, he was frozen out for his pro-Jordan Peterson work after the Cathy Newman interview. Fuller independently produced one of the first documentaries on JP, and it was sympathetic. Fuller continues to produce sympathetic vids on JP and the Intellectual Dark Web on his youtube channel.
I have found David Fuller never less than fair and balanced. I get the impression he continues to have a friendly relationship with JP.
So, never judge a book by its cover.
Agree Judy. David’s channel provides very valuable information. I feel that what is offered there is in alignment with what is offered at Unherd – sites offering alternatives to the mainstream, deeper analysis, highly qualified and interesting guests. And even if the writer of this article was some sort of ‘MSM shill’ the facts regarding Brian Rose are still facts! Rose’s scams deserve to be investigated by the police because in my view they rank as criminal behaviour.
Thanks for putting me right, noted.
Nigel, can I ask: how did you see my reply? Did you come back to the thread, or was it posted to your profile? I ask because the only way I can see replies is to remember where I commented and return to the threads!
Yes Judy. In the old format there was a tab above the comments which notified you of all replies and interactions with your comments. I was in contact with the Unherd tech people who were very sincere and said they were onto it (and even wrote back to check if I was “satisfied”). However, a couple of months later and nothing has happened. It’s a mystery. Due to the lack of this feature, I have almost completely stopped commenting here. It’s a shame.
Are you intimating that the current mayor is corrupt? If so back your allegation up with something concrete.
Haha
David Fuller has that incredibly grating London-media, watched too much American tv, middle class accent that makes him sound like a 15 year old girl. Discriminatory though it is you can predict with utmost certainty what his views probably are from that alone sadly.
He’s spent an awful lot of money on this and bored me rigid with pop-ups in the process. He must be pretty near to exceeding the legal campaign expenditure limit, and there’s still a month to go, so I hope he get prosecuted by the Electoral Commission.
Unfortunately, as the Tory campaign in 2010 and Tory campaigns since 2010 have shown, the Electoral Commission is pretty toothless. In 2010 money flooded in from a banker based in the Americas, which broke the regulations, but was laundered through a number of companies in the UK with a web of invoices and receipts to obscure their source. All the EC did ultimately was to complain about the obstructiveness of the companies in preventing the ultimate source of the money from being identified, even though his identity is perfectly well known to anyone involved even moderately in UK politics at the time.
Interesting, I’d never heard of him.
I wonder if they are somehow manipulating the betting markets to give him publicity.
“Yet in the consensus-based reality occupied by the rest of us […]”
Whatever Brian Rose has or hasn’t done that’s illegal or unethical, I’d just like to state for the record that I don’t believe that reality is determined by consensus.
Ah but, a 97% consensus forms the reality of climate change
Is the statistic that 97% of a sample of scientific papers which expressed an opinion on whether human activity had more than no effect at all on the climate said that, yes, they thought it had more effect than none? That’s what I remember of what I’ve heard, but do you have a good reference?
It’s even worse than that…
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/01/tol-statistically-deconstructs-the-97-consensus/
Is there a consensus that all 3 of them are wrong about everything, and don’t deserve to be heard? I appreciated how they helped me to consider alternative interpretations of what I see, rather than trying to close people’s minds by using dismissive ad-hominems.
Rose is about as likely to be elected Mayor of London as I am to be elected Queen of England.
He;s hardly the UK’s first ‘post-truth’ politician, that ship sailed a long time ago.
As for the Icke interview it’s no different from BBC, Sky, Ch 4 etc allowing politicians and officials to make all sorts of assertions without evidence unchallenged, indeed that’s more dangerous as many more people take them seriously and they have real power
This is how the political right in the UK now works. All you need to do is say you are a victim of powerful forces who wish to silence your message of truth. Then you can dismiss all counter arguments or objections as attempts to undermine you.
These forces are variously described as the: Elite, Establishment, Illuminati, Globalists, WEF, Great Reset, Communists etc They are almost never precisely defined. To do so would expose the stupidity of such a concept.
The smart ones among you would of worked out this is almost a mirror image of the strategy used by the Left, although they sometimes use slightly different oppressive groups.
I suspect people are beginning to see through these rather simplistic strategies. Unfortunately, reading some of the posts on this comments section, many still do embrace them.
This is how the political
rightleft in the UK now works.FIFY
If the size of a Windsor knot is inversely proportional to the trust one can place in an individual, Brian Rose is down there with Philip Green and Bernie Madoff.
I love UnHerd. I want to hear essays pushing in all sorts of directions. I’ve seen a couple of Mr. Rose’s interviews, including one with Seth Godin, and thought they were informative. But it always boggled my mind that anyone would hand over good money for some master mind course with him.
When I saw the Youtube vids I thought it was a parody/joke candidate.
This man is new to me, though his conspiracy stuff isn’t.
My neighbour was (and is) a true believer in such things, even going to the trouble of creating a DIY Faraday cage to keep out assorted radiation, especially wi-fi, mobiles, 5G and much else.
Useless of course (I tested it) but keeps her happy.
About 4 years ago I met a lovely woman at the park who you could tell had a physical frailness about her. She told me she had been a teacher at a large middle school in LA. When she started getting headaches and other ailments the docs couldn’t figure it out. A colleague said it might be the Wi-Fi just installed at the school. She was skeptical as was her attorney husband. But as she learned more, she thought it was a possibility. When the school was asked to test the RF, they waited until school was out of session. She complained that they should have done it while school was in session with all the children’s laptops and phones in the room. Knowing how corrupt LAUSD is, their response wasn’t surprising. I think we won’t understand the impact form these frequencies for quite some time. https://theconversation.com/sonic-attacks-in-china-and-cuba-how-sound-can-be-a-weapon-97380
Err, wi-fi does not use audio frequencies. In fact it uses the same frequency that is used by microwave ovens, but obviously at much lower power levels. And why do microwaves use 2.4GHz? because that is the optimal frequency for exciting water molecules. i.e. the worst that could happen from too much wi-fi is a slight warming. Probably much less than the leakage from your microwave oven.
BTW newer forms of wi-fi use frequencies in the 5 GHz band.
Good heavens, Max Headroom for Mayor, anyone?
The moniker Max Headroom has already attached itself to Keir Starmer, much as Steptoe did to his predecessor.
So what you are saying is that Brian Rose is less corrupt, expensive and harmful to the citizens than the Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrats parties.
This is simply 20th century American TV evangelism reimagined for the 21st century. Every Rose has it’s thorn eh?
Yes I was reminded of Elmer Gantry. Fantastic film if you haven’t seen it with Burt Lancaster as the charismatic and criminal preacher.
Was shocked when Brian Rose started publicising conspiracy theories about Covid-19 and how they started to get popular. Relieved he is so unlikely to get anywhere in the mayoral election.
The elections are a weak method of choosing the right person for the job. London has been a great trading capital of the UK, but in recent years or decades it is changing beyond it’s past sucess and stories slowly creep out of the place to the rural parts of the UK and we ex-Londoners are in the dark to the going ons. All I hope is that the hatred camp do not win and the commonsense candidate is the one we need the most. We are getting transport firms quoting huge prices to send goods to London and some even just say we do not do London. Please vote for a person that will make London the greatest city in the world again. You have the choice dropping onto your doormats. Choose wisely my friend the holy fail could be the result.
If he changed his name from “Rose” to “Rosebud” he could easily be the new Citizen Kane.
He is a disgusting, image-obsessed, creepy, “self-development” scam artist. No amount of muscles or East European “stunners” can make him likeable or acceptable. A very unattractive man with the charisma of a bloated slug (and I am a person who agrees with many things he says).
For those of us in the UK who don’t see the Mayor of London election as quite on the same level as the POTUS election could those of you who do explain why we need to know about someone we have no affinity with? I mean who is this Sadiq Khan?
Another smear job. I read the smear job on Unherd of both George Galloway and Alex Salmond. I suppose this is in part because of the inherent small mindedness of Tory thinking and its media. I also suspect, however, that Unherd is being subverted by its neo con cousins…
His campaign was never about winning the election for Mayor of London. It was always about building a brand, curiously named Brian Rose! When the voting is over and Khan remains as Mayor what will be left in the minds of Londoners? Brian Rose….challenger brand of course. And from there he can extend anywhere using his existing channel and subscribers. He is a canny operator, make no mistake about that.
Unfortunately Sadist Khan,the Pi***poor mayor of an EU regional assembly (UK isn’t in EU) Record Crime,Record business failures,etc..has 18 opponents 15 if you dont count Woke tories,lib-dims,green; the Opposition should have fielded 1 or at most 2 candidates,Now idiots like ”rejoin” have crawled out from under a Vaccine stone, I think londoners must be thick?> i lived there until 2018, i thank god I left the cycle lane madness & Violence behind..bon appetit!
Many of the people who drive the London economy live outside the city and do not get to vote.
i don’t know a lot about Brian Rose – but if being sceptical of government agendas makes you “post-truth” that is just cheap sloganising. My belief is that 5G is not closely implicated in the spread of Covid but it is an incredibly dangerous technology which is a completely unnecessary development for ordinary civil communication. Shoddy article. I will probably vote for Fox or Kurten. Telling people 5G is benign is about as “post-truth” as you can get.
A BBC journalist (ex) has decided that he really, really doesn’t like a minor would-be politician and writes ten pages about it. Why is this interesting?
Well, watching Rose interviewing the ex goalkeeping oddball David Icke, without asking for any evidence of Icke’s assertions, ands without a hint of irony, was hilarious. Much funnier than most post modern comedians.
Richard Tice and Laurence Fox should withdraw and back this candidate.
Are you mad?
or withdraw and support Bailey
Bailey is a Tory Chancer,Promising to Tax rich pensioners & Take Away Transport Passes is NOT popular or logical..
That’s the best suggestion I have seen on here for a long time.
Perhaps they should all withdraw to give Khan a free run?
Although no-one has withdrawn, Kahn’t clearly is going to get a free run
I was thinking something similar.. is it not the time instead of individuals we start working as teams?.. is it not working together natural? the Old false divisions -right /left/ centre-.. is dying for a long time now.. it is only us we do not see what is in front of our eyes.. I believe entirely new fresh candidates required everywhere, but not standing as individuals but working together.. I would like to see Fox and Rose as mayors together.. that should be the new normal.. and that would be Our normal since a very long time ago..