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Why the miners will never win Our slow-burning love affair with coal is coming to a melancholy end

British miners in 1983. Credit: Mirrorpix/Getty Images

British miners in 1983. Credit: Mirrorpix/Getty Images


March 16, 2021   5 mins

Proposals for a controversial new coal mine in Cumbria have been called in, predictably, by a dithering government hedging its bets. Buying time, one assumes, while the algorithm wonks at the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government calculate just how popular coal-mining is these days.

Essentially the fate of the mine, near Whitehaven, has been elevated into an exhibition match between The Past and The Future. Local jobs versus global climate.

In the incandescent blue corner — Mark Jenkinson, Tory MP for Workington. He angrily deplores the call-in as a “capitulation to climate alarmists”, which at least drags conservative thought into the 1990s. In the acid green corner, environmentalists wonder if it’s really such a great idea to go rummaging underneath a local landscape rich with tonnes of radioactive shit excreted by Sellafield nuclear power station.

Fossil fuel. Clue’s in the name. Sorry, coal. Even if you win this battle you’ve lost the fight. Leave it mate, the future’s not worth it.

Honestly boomerphobes, there are many things I can’t quite believe I’ve outlived. Britain in Europe. The modem. Woolworths. The concept of shame in political life. Watching live television. Dictionaries. Normal weather. All of the Ramones. Tolerance. Newspapers. Yet the overthrow of coal feels like the last definitive unmooring from a whole epoch of British self-narrative.

Let’s face it, one of the very few positive things to have emerged from The Current Strangeness is cleaner air. This new, puritan climate is a clean break with the dirtiest of all centuries, the 20th. In those days you burned coal in the grate, smoked fags indoors, burned your rubbish in the garden. That’s just how we used to do things, back in the Smoke Age.

Not any more. The phased de-filthification of energy begins this year. Pretty soon you won’t be able to buy bags of house coal from garages and supermarkets and coal will disappear as a domestic fuel by 2023.

It’s odd now to recall those 1970s TV ads urging us to “come home to a real fire”. It all seemed so cosy, and safe. “Coal supplies will last for over 300 years,” the baritone voiceover assured us. The Three-Hundred Year Carbon Reich — what happened to that? “Coal. The fuel for today that won’t run out tomorrow”. It feels like yesterday. Yeah, I know it’s half a century ago but time’s gone weird. Sometimes the 1970s feel more believable than Crazy Frog, say. Or loom bands. Or Gordon Brown’s spell as prime minister.

Banning house coal would surely have been unthinkable even at the start of the millennium. Nutty Slack, like the Cutty Sark, had always symbolised Britain’s glorious, non-negotiable heroic past, when home fires were burning and we ruled the waves, our ships full of precious cargo, never mind what exactly.

Obviously the ban will be a massive inconvenience for people in the country, who have been burning wet wood, peat, lost ramblers and coal since the Bronze Age. “This typically ill-thought-out policy is clearly concocted by metropolitan flat-dwelling elitists,” gargled one rural correspondent in the Telegraph. Always had a lot of respect for the Telegraph. Specifically, its size. Proper old-school broadsheet. Big enough to take the contents of an ash pan; ideal under kindling.

And I do love a coal fire, who doesn’t? Well, my environmentally-literate grandchildren. And they’re just the tip of the Thunberg. An entire generation now stands akimbo, aghast that “grown-ups” have been cheerfully poisoning the air since Stephenson’s Rocket. How feeble we sound when they ask how we’re tackling the earth’s new violent horrorweather: “Well, you see, we’ve started giving the big storms names…”

Hail coal, and farewell. Another smoke gone the way of tobacco. Typical. Plume by plume, how this dull, scoured 21st Century robs us of our romantic past. Those old black-and-white photos of Routemasters, bomb rubble and St Paul’s, all sexy and grainy with airborne particulates. You knew where you were in the 20th Century. Coal smoke in the streets, cigarette smoke in the sheets. Alas, I also know where I am in the 21st Century. Bafflement in the mind and COPD in the lungs, a microcosm of our stupid world.

Coal ran like a black thread through the post-war yarn we spun ourselves. Empire may have slipped to Commonwealth. We may have been broke after World War Two, but we were still a proud nation forging our destiny under Young Queen Elizabeth and Old King Coal. My very first home assignment as a child was to count the sacks being emptied into our coal-hole, to make sure the coalman wasn’t diddling us. The Two Commandments of our household: trust no-one ever and always count your change.

In the 1950s coal was Britain’s main energy source. More than a thousand deep mines. Over 200 million tonnes of it hauled up and burned every year. We loved it. Coal was as cheap as fags. People had real patriotism in those days and no wonder. Britain had invented smog in the 19th century — creating both Cabman’s Emphysema and French Impressionism — and we were determined to stay world champions. If you want to know what post-war London air tasted like, lick some barbecue charcoal.

In the 1960s my family had joined the Great Essexodus from London and settled near Basildon. The new commuter cult quickly fell under the spell of sinister “Mr Therm” and switched to gas, but every house still had an open fire and a bunker out the back. If all else failed, reckoned post-war Britons, there was always Spam and coal. Britain had a Ministry of Power and a National Coal Board then, monoliths of non-accountability.

I was 13 when, in 1966, Aberfan happened; 116 children and 28 adults killed by an avalanche of slurry. Unprocessable horror. The shock of it, the news trickling through our school. The aftershock, too,  when a public inquiry, after months and months in smoke-filled rooms with their beer and sandwiches and cliches, found the NCB squarely at fault. Nobody — not one single scuttling negligible bastard — was ever charged.

Economic downturn followed a few years later. I lived in County Durham in the early 70s, where the Great Dismantling of coal had begun amid poverty and desolation. My wife and I bought our first house — for £500 — in one of several “Category D” pit villages abandoned to die. People were being encouraged to move to Peterlee “new town”. The very poor couldn’t. We lived in First Street. They were numbered up to Eighteenth Street, followed by Shop Street, Office Street and Corporation Street. All curved round the historic heart of the place, the pit.

But every last trace of the colliery had gone, replaced with a large, flat, bleak field. Done. Over. The neighbours were all miners’s families. Laid-off, ignored. On one side, an early-retirement pitman sang opera in the outside khazi. On the other, a lonely widower whose pit mates had all died young. None of the abandoned poor had much of an education but everybody could spell “pneumoconiosis”.

In 1974, the Oil Crisis and a miners’s strike put pressure on Ted Heath’s government to impose a three-day week. It sounds catastrophic but if you were young, lazy and in love then less work and candlelit pubs weren’t too bad. A general election was called. “Who Governs Britain?” barked the Tories, as if the miners had neglected to take off their boots in the pantry. Heath got his answer: NOT YOU, you prancing bollock.

It was the last proper victory for the NUM. Rickety Labour governments lasted a few more years, then in 1979 — SMASH! Through the plate glass in her brown Ford Consul GT came the Conservative Sweeney. Thatcher had sworn to crush the unions, especially the miners, and Lady Handbag had the perfect alignment of popular support, a militarised police force and substantial stockpiles of coal. It was horrible to watch. The miners beaten, physically and politically, then the programme of pit closures rolling over them like fresh turf.

In the end it had always contained its own paradox, mining. Today, it feels like a lost cause — the fight for a lethal livelihood beneath the earth. And now we read that the world’s carbon emissions are falling and we’re glad. The forgettable Not-King Coal. Let’s get on with the future, whenever it arrives. The sun and the wind and the tide.

Once, the economic arguments — working class jobs — would have been enough to wave a new coalmine through. Now? Supporting it feels like putting two kilos of anthracite in a child’s school rucksack.


Ian Martin is a writer and a producer known for The Thick of It, In The Loop, Veep and The Death of Stalin. 

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daniel Earley
daniel Earley
3 years ago

Since this coke isn’t for fires it is for production of steel, which, arguably, could be considered a National Strategic Asset, then I suggest you have another look at this article.
We either stop steel production in this country, wipe out an important capability that is necessary to build ships, rail tracks, cars, anything that requires steel and import it all (higher emissions in transportation and manufacture), sending the money and investment out of his country, or we continue steel production but import the coke (higher emissions to mine and transport it) required to manufacture steel, which is usually of a lower quality as we are blessed with high quality coking coal, thus sending money and investment out of this country, or we invest in this country, in skills, jobs and capability and retain a National Strategic Asset.

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
3 years ago
Reply to  daniel Earley

Although I support the continuation of steel production in this country, I should point out that it can’t really be called a strategic asset if we have to import the iron ore in the first place.

John Alexander
John Alexander
3 years ago

So why would you import both, the import cost can be offset by using local coal and keep the money in the local economy instead of spending it outside of the local economy?

Brian Burnell
Brian Burnell
1 year ago

We don’t need to import iron ore either. The steelworks of Redcar were there for a reason, the proximity to the iron ore deposits of the North York Moors, and there were and still is substantial iron ore deposits in the UK. Not that the Greenie and naysayers co-religionists are aware of.

Jeff Carr
Jeff Carr
3 years ago
Reply to  daniel Earley

Could not agree more. The natural extension of this argument is the removal of modern manufacturing industry and infrastructure and a reversion to living in burrows in the hillside.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago
Reply to  daniel Earley

I would have thought that the author would have retired shamefaced from public life after the Death of Stalin.
It is time we called climate activism what it is, a mental health issue, and treated it accordingly

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  daniel Earley

The only coke that modern politicians know about, goes up their snouts, assuming that they are not immersed in the public trough at the time…

Richard Palmer
Richard Palmer
3 years ago

More misinformation by the MSM. The coal mine in Cumbria is NOT for domestic heating or electricity production, its for coking coal essential in steel production. Fact Fact Fact.

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago
Reply to  Richard Palmer

Facts mean nothing to the MSM. Or any of our various governments.

Phil Thompson
Phil Thompson
3 years ago
Reply to  Richard Palmer

quite, coking coal to make carbon steel like for railway lines or construction of bridges, buildings etc.Carbon steel, the clue is in the name.

Colin Tregenza Dancer
Colin Tregenza Dancer
3 years ago
Reply to  Phil Thompson

Sorry to be picky, but to be 100% accurate, the carbon/coke requirement is nothing to do with the need to alloy iron with carbon to produce steel.
The coking coal is used in blast furnaces (along with limestone) to combine with the oxygen in iron ore (which is a mix of different iron oxides) to yield pig iron. The oxygen combines with the carbon to produce carbon dioxide which goes out in the flue gases, leaving molten iron. The resulting iron has too much carbon for most uses, so then has to be put through a converter to produce a lower carbon product suitable as the starting point for steel production.
So the clue, isn’t actually in the name.

Colin Tregenza Dancer
Colin Tregenza Dancer
3 years ago

And just to be absolutely accurate, the coking coal has to be baked first to produce coke (almost pure carbon, which is used in the blast furnaces) + various gases and oils (which are often used as chemical feedstuffs).

Alan Thorpe
Alan Thorpe
3 years ago
Reply to  Richard Palmer

Facts matter and the one missing here is that coal can be burnt cleanly in a modern power station. The second fact is that a coal fired power station will produce cheap, reliable energy, unlike useless wind turbines and solar panels.

Tony Nunn
Tony Nunn
3 years ago
Reply to  Alan Thorpe

So what if coal can be burnt cleanly? The fact remains that there isn’t an inexhaustible supply of the stuff. In the past 300 years we’ve used up a large proportion of coal deposits that took nature millions of years to create. It’s not sustainable, so we might as well move on sooner rather than later.

John Alexander
John Alexander
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Nunn

Move on to what? The solutions bieng wielded and foisted on us all rely of fossil fules and hydrocarbons. Nuclear is a greate replacement but the fear bogeyman is there too. We live in a finite world we are told by economists.

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Charles Hedges
Charles Hedges
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Nunn

Underground coal gasification.

Martin Brumby
Martin Brumby
1 year ago
Reply to  Charles Hedges

If anyone had ever been able to get it to work reliably.

Keith Bryant
Keith Bryant
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Nunn

The International Energy Agency, in 2013, estimated that the total remaining recoverable reserves of coal was 3000 years.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Nunn

It depends what sort of coal, actually: small seam very high calorific value coal would now, due to advances in mining technology, be more available, and is clean burning when compared to German and Other ” brown coals”… Again, Thatcher era conveniently covered up this fact, and that the Yorks, Notts and Derby fields would be economic as technology advanced.

Martin Brumby
Martin Brumby
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Nunn

Why?
Would it not be sensible to abandon coal AFTER there is a cheaper, more efficient alternative?
If you want a new pair of shoes, do you throw the old ones away first and then order new?

Of course, nuclear should have been expanded as the French did.

Of course, we should have been fracking for gas for at least the last decade.

But we prematurely shut down coal, generating reliable and affordable electricity and then blew up all but three power stations. There are 300 years of identified coal reserves in the UK. At least enough could be mined economically for the next 50 years, although fracked gas would likely displace gas long before that.

If we weren’t led by malevolent, corrupt incompetents.

Marian Otrebski
Marian Otrebski
3 years ago
Reply to  Richard Palmer

Who cares about facts these days?

Andrew Thompson
Andrew Thompson
3 years ago

Indeed.

Brian Burnell
Brian Burnell
1 year ago

I do! And if you were rational and sensible so would you.
Without facts and those enterprising people who make use of them, civilization would go backwards rather than forwards. But perhaps that’s what you want.
Perhaps you should go back to primary school and start over.

A P
A P
3 years ago

As a born and bred marra, currently writing this from the hugely deprived and forgotten town of Whitehaven, I would advise anyone who automatically condemns the idea of this coal mine to come and visit this town and just see for yourself how important these jobs would be.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
3 years ago
Reply to  A P

So much for the Red Wall then?

Aestivator .
Aestivator .
3 years ago
Reply to  A P

Greetings fellow jam eater. I came here to complain that as usual this article labels Sellafield a nuclear power station, when in fact the power station at Sellafield (Calder Hall) closed in 2005 and was a minor part of the site.

And yes, jobs are needed – betting shops can’t possibly employ the whole town.

John Smith
John Smith
3 years ago

If you wanted to “come home to a real fire” in the 1970’s, you bought a holiday cottage in Wales.

Hal Lives
Hal Lives
3 years ago
Reply to  John Smith

Beat me to it!

Last edited 3 years ago by Hal Lives
William Murphy
William Murphy
3 years ago
Reply to  John Smith

Yes, I remember that cruelly funny sketch.

Andrew Thompson
Andrew Thompson
3 years ago
Reply to  John Smith

You still can apparently

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
3 years ago
Reply to  John Smith

Yes, about 250 burnt and not a single prosecution.
Mid Summer Murders in reverse so to speak.
.

Chris Hill
Chris Hill
3 years ago

I used to pretend our coal bunker was a Churchill tank with twin hatches, and the gas poker to light the fire was a flamethrower. You don’t get that sort of fun with renewables.

Simon Latham
Simon Latham
3 years ago

Coal really is nature’s bounty, like oil and gas. It can be burnt relatively cleanly and we have reserves. Judging by the recent pictures of frozen wind turbines in Texas and snow covered solar panels in Germany, as the grand solar minimum leads to global cooling, we should not rule out old King Coal.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
3 years ago

Thank you for a splendid essay.
As our former PM, “Runaway Dave” said so appositely, all this ‘Green stuff is crap’.
Even if one buys into this Emissions rubbish the tiny little UK produces almost nothing in comparison to China or India. Yet HMG, with extraordinary conceit seriously believes that the World looks the UK to set an example!
What utter tosh, they are in fact incredulous at our propensity for self mutilation.
The fact that millions of our fellow Britons are going to suffer completely unnecessary hardscape because of this lunatic Green Agenda is a national disgrace, and those responsible should be arrested for High Treason, sent to the Tower, and subsequently dealt with in the traditional manner, which incidentally for women meant burning on a ‘real fire’.

jollykeith91
jollykeith91
3 years ago

At the closing of the coal mines the then government convinced the miners pension fund that it would be in the interest of miners if the fund entered into an arrangement where the government would act as guarantor for the payment of the miners pensions,
The arrangement was the government would pay the pensions if the pension fund failed to make enough interest from the investments to pay the pensions
For this guarantee the government would take 50% of the surplus interest after the pensions were maid .
Well successive governments have had billions from the miners pension fund as it has never as far as I’m aware failed to make a profit from its investments.
Over the lifetime of the National Coal Board the employer contribution into the miners pension scheme was less than £1 billion pounds I believe.
Well the £ 50 million a year the government have received as there 50% of the surplus after the pensions are paid has been a very lucrative cash cow for successive governments.
Many miners have died since the mines closed so ( less pensions to pay out = more surplus for the government.
It wont be very long till the government is the biggest benifisury of the miners pension fund ,
An absolute disgrace that any British government would countenance this plundering to continue.
My question is —- who’s pension is next for this treatment ? Post worker’s, Steelworks ?, Railways?
A VERY BRITISH DISGRACE

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
3 years ago
Reply to  jollykeith91

Yes, the UK has taken a lot of Double First’s in ‘Disgrace’ since 1945, and we are on track to take a PhD for another very soon.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  jollykeith91

Superb point, and Thatcher and others conveniently avoided to inform the public that the union pension funds were actually ” Investment brothers in arms” with Britain’s largest quoted companies, and subsidisers of governments via their massive investment in gilts: I suspect that very few people nowadays even know this?

John Lewis
John Lewis
3 years ago

A mention of the effect of green subsidies on fuel bills wouldn’t be out of place.

Stephen Pearson
Stephen Pearson
3 years ago

If this mine is not commissioned then coal will continue being imported from the US and Europe, adding to pollution. Unfortunately it looks as if it will go the same way as another much vaunted energy solution – fracking.

Quentin Vole
Quentin Vole
3 years ago

Those wishing to blame ‘Fatcha’ for the closure of the UK’s deep mines in the early 80s must explain why nearly all the deep mines across France, Belgium and Germany closed at much the same time. The real reason was more efficient surface transport, which allowed surface-mined coal to be imported from the US and even Australia at far lower cost than any deep mine could achieve.

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Galeti Tavas
Galeti Tavas
3 years ago
Reply to  Quentin Vole

I think that the unions were militant Marxists was the real reason for the coal disaster. If an approachment was made to the Gov to keep mines open on the basis of unemployment with the goal of not taking in new workers and letting existing ones work out their days at a real, subsidized, wage, I think the public would have backed it. Instead the unions were political rather than worker advocates.

Could have evolved rather than blown up, to everyone’s betterment.

Brendan O'Leary
Brendan O'Leary
3 years ago
Reply to  Quentin Vole

They had perhaps only stayed open as long as they had because of nationalisation and fear of unions.

Jonathan Andrews
Jonathan Andrews
3 years ago
Reply to  Quentin Vole

I recall seeing convoys of coal lorries, over 100 I think, on the M4 going from Port Talbot to Llanwern (or the other way, I don’tremember) during the strike. The rail workers refusing to transport Australian coal.

I understand, Aussie coal was cheaper, being just scraped off the ground than deep mined local anthracite.

Why limited claim to Welsh royalty is my great grandfather who was a winding engineer: controlling the lifts that took the miners to the pit face. Their lives in his hands. My father has a memory of his funeral when he was a child and of hundreds of miners following his coffin.

I enjoyed this article. The world moves on but I grew up with a coal fire and feel a nostalgia for that. I know it’s not sensible but there you are.

ralph bell
ralph bell
3 years ago

It’s funny no one has told Germany this who switched from Nuclear to Coal for Electricity generation following The Japan Nuclear catastrophe. Another case of many of the herd environmentalists not understanding the science but just going with the warm feeling option.

Richard Bell
Richard Bell
3 years ago

What is really disgraceful is that while this argument is going on the Drax Power Station is BURNING WOOD from USA forests ??? ….. Yes American trees are being cut down and shipped from the USA to the UK and burnt to make electricity !!! …….. How unbelievably STUPID is that ?
So why not import Coal from elsewhere in the world and ship it to the UK to make Steel …… makes perfect sense !!!
The Green Religion will never see or admit that they are WRONG until we are all back in the Stone Age sitting around a camp fire with what wood is left Knapping Flints !!!

Jorge Espinha
Jorge Espinha
3 years ago

Mr Martin, if you really want to see the end of coal don’t write anymore articles like this one. You almost convinced me of the contrary.

Ed Cameron
Ed Cameron
3 years ago

Ian! Brilliant writing. Loved it. Rolling crackling chuckling and spitting like a… well, like a bonfire.

Martin Brumby
Martin Brumby
1 year ago
Reply to  Ed Cameron

Glad you like it, when there is hardly a sentence that isn’t nonsense.

Nick Johns
Nick Johns
3 years ago

This reads like a pastiche of an Alexei Sayle rant. It quite took me back. Like Sayle’s rants, whilst it has a certain frantic, bilious, splenetic, poetry, it feels like a speech in search of a point.

Malcolm Davies
Malcolm Davies
3 years ago

remember ‘Coal not Dole’….where are the left now ?
This mine would create good well paying jobs, not the neo liberal amazonia minimum wages that the usual economic regeneration projects promise.
cant there be a comprimise between the green loby and industry ? It seems to me again working class communities are being shortchanged….

Tom Lewis
Tom Lewis
3 years ago
Reply to  Malcolm Davies

Surely you mean “Shafted”, or maybe, in this particular case’ Un-shafted.

Last Jacobin
Last Jacobin
3 years ago
Reply to  Malcolm Davies

The left are calling for investment and jobs in renewable energy and more energy efficient homes and businesses. Thatcher knew she could import cheap coal from Eastern Europe and at the same time destroy the heart of the Trade Union movement which with its ethos of collectivism over individualism she saw as an ideological threat to her vision of conservatism. It wasn’t about coal.

L Paw
L Paw
3 years ago
Reply to  Last Jacobin

Usual socialist rot from you. Militant marxist miners union held the UK to ransom in early seventies causing the country to only run 3 days per week until the union got the concessions it wanted. Last time I checked, our democracy works on the basis of the electorate voting in a Gov’t in Westminster to run the country, not militant unions.
When Scargill called out the miners on strike in 1984, he did so without a ballot. He also foolishly (for the miners cause) called them out going into Summer when coal demand was low. The Gov’t of the day had wisely stock piled coal in an effort to keep the UK’s power on. The nasty dispute that followed no doubt did include errors by the Govt in handling the strike. The sad result was many mining communities lost employment and much more. Much of the reason for that however was the Marxist NUM leadership and their determination to bring the UK to it’s knees as part of their struggle to overthrow ‘the bosses’, be that Coal Board or Conservative Govt, who they did not recognise as legitimate.
The contrast will always be the undemocratic strike led by Scargill with the legitimate, democratic Gov’t led by Margaret Thatcher.

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago

‘Pretty soon you won’t be able to buy bags of house coal from garages and supermarkets and coal will disappear as a domestic fuel by 2023.’
This is a tragedy. My parents still have a coal fire and there are few more reassuring sights than returning from a long walk to see the smoke emerging sedately – and harmlessly – out of the chimney. To some extent the climate change scam is harmless, and I would be the first to admit that I have done well from writing about ‘sustainability’ etc for countless corporations and organisations. However, when you remove the simple, harmless, pleasure of a coal fire, you start to do real psychological and medical damage.

Alison Houston
Alison Houston
3 years ago

I feel very sick contemplating an old age of staring into an empty grate in the evening. How are we supposed to bear it? Why do they want us to be so miserable and cold, I would rather just die. On the other hand I want the politicians who decided we had to freeze to death in the North of England to be very seriously tortured for years on end, but kept alive in their agony.

https://solidfuel.co.uk/solid-fuel-wood-burning-news/

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
3 years ago
Reply to  Alison Houston

Thanks for that link.
You should be alright if you buy it from a Coal Merchant by the hundredweight or perhaps half hundredweight.

The 10-20kg bags have obviously had it, sadly.

However don’t you feel virtuous about all those ‘hidden’ Green Taxes/Subsidies you are already paying?

.

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Johnny Sutherland
Johnny Sutherland
3 years ago
Reply to  Alison Houston

I think you’re spotted the MMCC followers main plan  just die

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
3 years ago

If Corona doesn’t kill you the Cold soon will,
Or as our wonderful PM might say:

STAY AT HOME.
FREEZE TO DEATH.
SAVE THE NHS.

Andrew Thompson
Andrew Thompson
3 years ago
Reply to  Alison Houston

North west. I’m with you on that one.

Alison Houston
Alison Houston
3 years ago

“Pretty soon you won’t be able to buy bags of house coal from garages and supermarkets and coal will disappear as a domestic fuel by 2023.”

Is this true?

I live in a big, cold house, I burn tons of coal, will I still be able to burn Ovoids?

I will have to stockpile. Logs are useless and expensive in as much they cost nearly as much but give out half the heat. I don’t live in a wooded area and my husband smashed his wrist up falling off his bike and can’t just go out with the chainsaw anymore.

Will they actually enforce the law if enough people go on burning it?

Last edited 3 years ago by Alison Houston
Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
3 years ago
Reply to  Alison Houston

Yes, there will be Coal Marshalls, alongside Covid Marshalls in ‘Brave New Boris Britain’.

Galeti Tavas
Galeti Tavas
3 years ago

Those two will be minor sub-groups in the basement of the huge new building for the new Dept of POS, ‘prosecution of speech’ which will employ thousands making sure any hate speech, or any feelings hate speech was made, is rigorously stamped out and lives ruined of any who offended.

Brendan O'Leary
Brendan O'Leary
3 years ago

Thatcher had sworn to crush the unions, especially the miners

You left out the bit where Scargill, without letting NUM members vote, initiated massive strikes with the express purpose of bringing down an elected government, as he had with Heath in 74.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
3 years ago

Fortunately, Scargill got his just deserts.

John Alexander
John Alexander
3 years ago

Complete idocy simply put.
Its a politcal game being played by the Elite. The climate game like the covid19 contrick has the same common denominators.
Both were invented by computer games called “Models” and both were annouced by idots.Is it ot yet obvious to all that a model cannot be used for predicting life.
We see the same absudity of models (computer generated sequences) bieng used to cerate vaccines.
Models live in the world of fiction, we live in the world of real life.
Global warming, global cooling, climate change are fear based, as is covid19. Tools for terrorising the populace – both use and rely unseen bogeymen. C02 an invisible gas, Sars-Cov an invisible virus.
Covid-19 and climate change ideologues are intrinsically linked. ‘Remedies’ for both depend on crippling Western economies through lockdowns and spending public billions on green fantasies- Karen Harradine Conwomen
What will be used to replace coal? Wind and Sun and Batteries? (WSB) All the proposed solutions use coal in their creation- so why be so stupid. Clean the emmissions and use sensible solutions to protect the enviroment. Banning or censoring are not sensible and nor is cutting of your nose to spite your face.
WSB~ What Stupid BS
Qui bono.

Last edited 3 years ago by John Alexander
Jez O'Meara
Jez O'Meara
3 years ago

Current Nuclear and further intensive research in nuclear seems the way forward. Sadly we have to rely on French and Chinese “expertise” to make it in the UK, how we lost that ability to do it ourselves here is a national shame.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago

Give me a miner’s pub and company over any place filled with pontificating eco sandaloid/ racist zealot/ LGBT and / or bourgeois white shod Kayleighs and Tiger Jades, Or similar detritus…

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago

Give me a miner’s pub and company over any place filled with pontificating eco sandaloid/ racist zealot/ LGBT and / or bourgeois white shod Kayleighs and Tiger Jades, Or similar detritus…

Stu White
Stu White
3 years ago

There’s nothing quite like being down a pit. I’d happily enough to back to it.

SHARMAKE FARAH
SHARMAKE FARAH
3 years ago

A good rule I use in most of these discussions: If someone says the MSM or Mainstream Media is fake, it´s report-worthy because they will almost always post something factually incorrect.

SHARMAKE FARAH
SHARMAKE FARAH
3 years ago

A good rule I use in most of these discussions: If someone says the MSM or Mainstream Media is fake, it´s report-worthy because they will almost always post something factually incorrect.

Stuart Y
Stuart Y
3 years ago

I (unfortunately) still reside in the place you speak of (Horden), fortunately live across from the numbered streets but can honestly say having lived all around the world have never been in such a bleak and uninspiring place.

Having said that this place was abandoned to the literal dregs of society long ago, but their are quite a few of the old timers hanging onto what was a testament to old style hard work and real community.

Stuart Y
Stuart Y
3 years ago

I (unfortunately) still reside in the place you speak of (Horden), fortunately live across from the numbered streets but can honestly say having lived all around the world have never been in such a bleak and uninspiring place.

Having said that this place was abandoned to the literal dregs of society long ago, but their are quite a few of the old timers hanging onto what was a testament to old style hard work and real community.

David Fülöp
David Fülöp
3 years ago

As I understood the reasoning behind this new mine was that the coal was essential for UK based steel production.
Can somebody enlighten me whether this was true or not ? If true then how would it NOT make sense to open the mine in the UK instead of having to import it?

G Matthews
G Matthews
3 years ago

In this discussion nobody has noticed that we import 240,000 tonnes of coal a year from Russia. Does anyone seriously think that coal mined in Russia is clean and has been mined with health and safety in mind? Why do we outsource our crap to other countries with lower standards rather than dealing with it ourselves? The responsible thing to do would be to say that if we still need some coal, we should mine it ourselves and take responsibility for the pollution ourselves.

Charles Hedges
Charles Hedges
3 years ago
Reply to  G Matthews

The major problem is that over the last 60 to 70 years , those who make policy decisions have no technical expertise. The days when a Tory MP may have been an Engineer in the Armed Forces or owned an engineering firm or a Labour MP a former craftsman who had risen to a a foremen, are long gone.

D Ward
D Ward
3 years ago
Reply to  Charles Hedges

But it’s more important, apparently, to have “professional” politicians than people who know what they are talking about. Apparently.

Chris Wheatley
Chris Wheatley
3 years ago

Can we go back to having a discussion about anthropogenic global warming?

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
3 years ago
Reply to  Chris Wheatley

No.

Galeti Tavas
Galeti Tavas
3 years ago
Reply to  Chris Wheatley

Are you some sort of Denier then? Because deniers of all sorts are being catalogued for the future purges, I hope your affairs are in order.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  Galeti Tavas

have you paid your flat earth society sub too?

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris Wheatley

no

John Huddart
John Huddart
3 years ago

Well it looks like HMG and CCC will bow to the inevitable climate zeitgeist and coal box the Woodhouse colliery scheme, since it looks like gas may provide a suitable alternative in the steel making process. Actually I was afraid that the owners of the site would sell it to the Indians, or god forbid, the Chinese. Still, once the umpteen toxic chemicals,left by it’s previous owners,have been removed it will make a lovely, healthy leisure area overlooking the Irish Sea. Why not name it Woodhouse Park?.

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Richard Carpenter
Richard Carpenter
3 years ago

As one of Ian Martin’s contemporaries, I read this piece mostly as a love letter from us boomers to our evaporated childhood of comforting certainties – toxic and unsustainable as they may have been.
Ian may disagree. If he does I’m sure he’ll gently correct me with that tact and delicacy for which he is rightly renowned.

Last edited 3 years ago by Richard Carpenter
Margaret Donaldson
Margaret Donaldson
3 years ago

I was brought up in black air, black houses and streets, black washing lines and black snot when you blew your nose. During the 1980s and 1990s when pits were being closed and miners losing their jobs and their culture, I ventured to suggest to my father that it was a shame. He turned to me and said, ‘What civilised country would send men down to work in conditions like that?’ For once I had to concede. Wales, Lanarkshire, Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire all green and pleasant again. No black spit for the miner or black snot for the rest. Even so, if a new mine could be automated and the coal burned with 97 percent efficiency, it might be worth it. It remains a significant strategic resource.

Richard Hazell
Richard Hazell
3 years ago

Heath won the popular vote in the 1974 “Who governs Britain?” election but because constituencies were so unequal in size in those days Labour won more seats.

Sean MacSweeney
Sean MacSweeney
3 years ago

Enjoyed this walk down memory lane, was shocked that no one was held accountable for Aberfan though, I was hoping we could reverse the misery of decimalisation and go back to 240 pence in the pound again, also Fahrenheit usage, now we are out of the EU we can make metrication obsolete

Keith Bryant
Keith Bryant
3 years ago

Aberfan, 2008 Banking Fraud, Grenfell. No-one is ever held to account.

Andrew Martin
Andrew Martin
3 years ago

” The perfect alignment of public support….” that is all you need to know about why the Thatcher revolution has been such a success. It was what the wider public wanted . Despite the tone and tenor of this article that which it praises was never possible while we were in thrall to the left.

Dewi Jones
Dewi Jones
3 years ago

The negative effects of global warming will make COVID look like a walk in the park. Unless we accept the need for radically different approaches towards our environment the cost to the human race will be catastrophic. Unfortunately, most politicians put self interests and short term assessments first.

Charles Hedges
Charles Hedges
3 years ago
Reply to  Dewi Jones

How has the climate varied over the last 550 M years and why ?

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  Dewi Jones

rubbish

Dr Stephen Nightingale
Dr Stephen Nightingale
3 years ago

But it isn’t coming to an end: we love our Heritage Steam Train Industry all the more, and Ian Martin breathes not one word about that. #Brexit is driven by nostalgia (and/or tax dodging), and the beating heart of our nostalgia factory is riding on a steam train, at Haworth, Pickering, Ribblehead, or out of York. If we can’t ride on one we still herd and huddle by the lines with our clicky cameras.

How are we going to give the Flying Scotsman a sustainable future – after its 3 million pound retro-refit – if we can’t shovel coal into it?

alistair richardson
alistair richardson
3 years ago

We bought a terraced house in a post-industrial part of Durham City in the early 80s for 3 grand. Tell the young people these days that and they won’t believe you… Its subsequently been knocked down, not with us in it, along with the rest of the terrace to provide space to provide flats for posh Durham yooni students. I’m sure there’s a metaphor for something lurking there…

Steve Hill
Steve Hill
3 years ago

1984-Conservative government close down coal mines-Left outraged. 2021-Conservative government open coal mine-Left outraged. Crazy world eh?

Charles Hedges
Charles Hedges
3 years ago

Underground Coal Gasification
Released By Royal Academy of Engineering
INGENIA ISSUE 43 JUNE 2010

BIOGRAPHIES – Paul Younger FREng, Jon Gluyas, Martin Cox and Dermot Roddy
Paul Younger FREng is Director of the Newcastle Institute for Research on Sustainability, based at Newcastle University.
He is an environmental engineer with particular expertise in the management of abandoned coalfields.
Jon Gluyas is Durham University’s first professor of Geoenergy, Carbon Capture and Storage, and is currently Chairman of the British
Geological Survey. Previously in the industry, Jon founded two oil companies and is a former President of the Petroleum Exploration
Society of Great Britain.
Martin Cox of Aberdeen Drilling Management has been an engineer in the energy industry for 30 years, starting as a Student Apprentice
in the NCB Deep Coal Mines division followed by 25 years in the oil and gas industry in the UK and overseas.
Dermot Roddy is Science City Professor of Energy and Director of the Sir Joseph Swan Institute for Energy Research at Newcastle
University. His industrial background encompasses petrochemicals and renewable energy.