I was thinking a woman had written this, while I am listening to someone’s podcast with a guy with a voice that says I read gossip magazines and gossip avidly. Tone of voice, tone of writing style…men morphed. Young women might as well be gay.
I recognise that you have used English words, but, having taken all that time to type it, you could possibly write something that people may understand.
Keep your innocence for your own sanity, Mr Dūrer!
On another note, would you be able to assist me? I’ve just come back to Unherd after a couple of weeks off and I can’t see where any answers to one’s comments etc. are to be found in this new format. Do you have any advice? Thanks.
Hi Dan, I’m afraid Mr Durer has only just about come to terms with the printing press, and is not the person to ask about the diabolical doings of disqus. I hate the look of the new revamp, but is it also swallowing replies? Let’s see
Ah a noble era to be stuck in indeed, Herr D!
I seem to be feeling equally as reactionary about the revamp. Actually my replies seem to be appearing but formerly there was a notification tab (up at the top right next to the “Most voted” etc) which let you know if anyone had replied to your comment etc. Can’t see anything like that now, so I’m not sure how one is notified (how you were notified of my reply to you for example). Any ideas there?
dehavilland
3 years ago
What the fresh hell is “the r-slur”? First we had “the n-word” becoming the word with such magical power it cannot be spoken or even written, like the ineffable name G*d. So now we have “the r-slur”? The sheer absurdity of all this is an astonishing thing to behold
The “n-word” can be spoken and written-but only if you are of the approved victim class. Will someone from the acceptable “r” class come forth please and explain what “r” is?
the NYT seems desperate to infiltrate, for no reason than hoping to catch someone saying something that could be somehow construed as offensive. It’s the same paper whose editor has decided context regarding words is irrelevant. Apparently no one has told the editor that he is editor of a newspaper, where words and context are the medium of exchange.
Am I the only one bewildered at why people chose to immediately silence those that pronounce all these “forbidden” words, before even having a chance to detect WHY those words were uttered? There might be value in learning the logic that drove someone to insult someone else – and society these days is unceremoniously throwing it away before looking at the contents!
It was the journalist who snuck in under a fake name who had the delicate sensibilities. So delicate in fact that even people who did not use the term she found so offensive had to be reported.
Actually, an African American guy, Marlon Anderson, a security guard at Wisconsin West High School was n-bombed by an African American student. He told the student not to call him that and said the word out loud. Upshot: he was fired under the school’s zero tolerance policy for using the n-word. This was in Autumn 2019. In Autumn 2020 the University of Southern California replaced a Business Communication professor because he uttered a Chinese sentence that sounded a bit like the n-word!
Wing Commander Guy Gibson, VC, DSO and Bar, DFC and Bar, had a beautiful Black Labrador Retriever with the wrong name. A name I cannot mention in case the UnHerd Censor has a seizure.
The RAF, as we used to call it recently desecrated the dog’s grave at RAF Scampton, Lincs, in order to be “inclusive ” or some such piffle.
“Never in human history have so many been so badly let down by so few”. Apologies to WSC.
I believe it is a discriminatory reference to yokels as in Ooo R. Alternatively it could be a reference to the paramilitary wing of the Cornish Independence Party – The Ooh R A.
Alex Lekas
3 years ago
Clubhouse has had its first assassination attempt. It will have to wait a bit longer for a confirmed kill. everything you ever wanted to know about today’s media and how it has been infected with wokeltarian culture in two neat little sentences.
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago
I struggled to understand a word of this because it is another world entirely and one that I want nothing to do with. Then I remembered that Bret Weinstein talked about having tried out Clubhouse a few months ago. One would have thought Bret Weinstein had better things to do, but he was looking for places where he could discuss his Unity 2020 initiative. Whatever, better to read a book.
I’ve heard Weinstein say that in some circles he’s considered a heretic, maybe even a member of the dreaded alt-right, for daring to buck some of today’s leftist orthodoxy. He’s an old school liberal, the sort you may disagree with but have an adult conversation with despite that.
I am very aware of that, having watched all his Dark Horse podcasts, and the follow-up Q&As for some months now. And, of course, I have watched his appearances on Joe Rogan and his talks with Douglas Murray and others.
Glad it wasn’t just me-plus other than a few obvious names I haven’t heard of any of these people-who the f … is Jamed Felton? I got lost at “the r-slur” -I falsely assumed it would be explained later but obviously its as a common as a preposition in this world! As you say-back to a good book!
a six letter word for delayed, sometimes applied to individuals with limited cognitive function. It was also not said by the accused, not that this apparently matters to the NYT. Racist, meanwhile, remains standard fare, especially when applied to right wingers. Over time, that word has become diluted by overuse; hence, the attempt to institutionalize ‘white supremacists’ as the substitute term.
“White supremacists'” was a change that had to be made, as so many of the racial “victim” class are clearly racists themselves.
Chuck Burns
3 years ago
I am not familiar with “Clubhouse”. This is the first I’ve heard of it. My opinion is that the article was well written. Can’t say that about much of what is published nowadays. If Clubhouse is supposed to be a way to exchange ideas in real time it seems to miss the mark. Who has the time to engage in extemporaneous conversation with strangers in a moderated arena about random topics? My feeling is the best approach is just to allow free speech in the forums that already exist. A free speech YouTube for instance. I guess it is be too late that. The Techno-Capitalist-Left has already decide to ignore the Constitution. The former United States is no longer a Nation of laws. What is discussed will be what is approved, what is allowed, what supports the “approved” agenda of the day.
Totally agree. I can’t fathom why so many commentators seem at a loss about what this is about. If you don’t understand something research it or not depends on your motivation.
Drahcir Nevarc
3 years ago
I’ve never heard of Clubhouse, or any of the people mentioned in this article, and don’t understand what the article is about.
Actually, I have heard of Weinstein. I think he was one of those sane professors who got caught up in one of those liberal arts college race meltdowns a couple of years ago.
Yes, Eric is probably the smartest man in America, and Bret (there is only one ‘t) is probably the nicest man in America. Their parents must be very proud.
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
So amused at Taylor Lorenz’ self-own. Clubhouse actually blocked her and then she snuck in using a burner account. Then bragged about it on Twitter. Media doesn’t have a right to join Clubhouse, nor should they be allowed to if they are going to lie about what is said.
Jean Fothers
3 years ago
This modern world we are galloping into, is a load of total BS. Makes me glad I’m getting old.
It’s the modern world that is boring us all to death #tedious : )
Dominic Rudman
3 years ago
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Laura Creighton
3 years ago
Correction: Dr. Eric Berne published the scientific papers that were the basus for his system of Transactional Analysis in the late 1950s, not 1970s. Games People Play — which is still well worth reading, by the way — was published in 1964. The examples he draws, based on what he had been observing in the world and among his own patients understandably reflect the behaviour of middle class North Americans in the 1950s, but some of them — Let’s You and Him Fight comes to mind — are thriving in modern times as well. And, of course, we have invented a whole host of new dysfunctional interpersonal games.
Bern’s idea of the “stroke” as a currency of social interaction is a valuable concept which has universal application ““ not just among “middle class North Americans in the 1950s”. In Bern’s view the “stroke” plays to recognition hunger which he defines as a basic human need. So much so, that those denied positive, affirming, strokes will settle for (or actively seek) negative strokes ““ any acknowledgement, good or bad, is better than none. Which brings to mind Oscar Wilde’s well known remark in regard to being talked about: “The only thing worse is…”.
Good that Gavin Haynes sees the link to Berne’s pop-psychology but on social media the craving for recognition goes beyond merely angling for likes or upticks. In the Transactional Analysis system, games almost always begin with the provocation (or hook) of a put-down. This triggers a response and the game is on. You can see that playing out on social media in the behaviour of so-called trolls.
Last Jacobin
3 years ago
Is this a satirical piece? I feel suddenly very old and out of touch. And I know what Twitter is.
My kids (29 and 29) have mentioned Clubhouse recently. One has a friend who’s a fashionable caterer in LA who’s participating in foodie discussions. The other is a budding nutritionist (almost graduated MS Columbia) who’s doing likewise. The nutritionist says so far the conversations are really dull, but she’s willing to give it another go. Not sure this will compete with the totally corrupt & censorious TWITTER app, but in general these things are just ‘time sucks’ – even the youngsters agree on that and perhaps this is a rare point that all generations can agree on, ie. get off of social media and live-your-life.
Are there exciting nutritionist discussions? I don’t mean to be dismissive of the field which helps so many people, but it isn’t exactly scintillating, is it?
Totally agree on the time suck point.
Karen Lindquist
3 years ago
I think it’s hilarious that more people were just scratching their heads at the coy euphemism for retard. There. I said it. Now we will all probably go to SJW hell. Sorry, not sorry.
I’m pleased to say I haven’t a clue what any of this is about
Thank God. I thought it was only me.
I was thinking a woman had written this, while I am listening to someone’s podcast with a guy with a voice that says I read gossip magazines and gossip avidly. Tone of voice, tone of writing style…men morphed. Young women might as well be gay.
I recognise that you have used English words, but, having taken all that time to type it, you could possibly write something that people may understand.
I was about to make the same comment. Treble uptick.
Keep your innocence for your own sanity, Mr Dūrer!
On another note, would you be able to assist me? I’ve just come back to Unherd after a couple of weeks off and I can’t see where any answers to one’s comments etc. are to be found in this new format. Do you have any advice? Thanks.
Hi Dan, I’m afraid Mr Durer has only just about come to terms with the printing press, and is not the person to ask about the diabolical doings of disqus. I hate the look of the new revamp, but is it also swallowing replies? Let’s see
Ah a noble era to be stuck in indeed, Herr D!
I seem to be feeling equally as reactionary about the revamp. Actually my replies seem to be appearing but formerly there was a notification tab (up at the top right next to the “Most voted” etc) which let you know if anyone had replied to your comment etc. Can’t see anything like that now, so I’m not sure how one is notified (how you were notified of my reply to you for example). Any ideas there?
What the fresh hell is “the r-slur”? First we had “the n-word” becoming the word with such magical power it cannot be spoken or even written, like the ineffable name G*d. So now we have “the r-slur”? The sheer absurdity of all this is an astonishing thing to behold
The “n-word” can be spoken and written-but only if you are of the approved victim class. Will someone from the acceptable “r” class come forth please and explain what “r” is?
R is for ret ard..the space is intentional because, well, you know, it’s the r-slur.
This “Clubhouse” must be a refined space of delicate sensibilities…
the NYT seems desperate to infiltrate, for no reason than hoping to catch someone saying something that could be somehow construed as offensive. It’s the same paper whose editor has decided context regarding words is irrelevant. Apparently no one has told the editor that he is editor of a newspaper, where words and context are the medium of exchange.
Context became obsolete with “deconstruction” theory.
Strikes me that Groucho Marx had it right: I refuse to join any club that will let me in.
Am I the only one bewildered at why people chose to immediately silence those that pronounce all these “forbidden” words, before even having a chance to detect WHY those words were uttered?
There might be value in learning the logic that drove someone to insult someone else – and society these days is unceremoniously throwing it away before looking at the contents!
It was the journalist who snuck in under a fake name who had the delicate sensibilities. So delicate in fact that even people who did not use the term she found so offensive had to be reported.
R stands for the word I apply to myself when I confront algebra.
I’m hoping I’m not from this particular approved victim class but it’s my understanding it’s “retard”.
Actually, an African American guy, Marlon Anderson, a security guard at Wisconsin West High School was n-bombed by an African American student. He told the student not to call him that and said the word out loud. Upshot: he was fired under the school’s zero tolerance policy for using the n-word. This was in Autumn 2019. In Autumn 2020 the University of Southern California replaced a Business Communication professor because he uttered a Chinese sentence that sounded a bit like the n-word!
The Washington D.C. city council had a major problem when a councilman (councilperson?) used the word “niggardly”-it is now disallowed.
I remember that. My was that amusing.
Wing Commander Guy Gibson, VC, DSO and Bar, DFC and Bar, had a beautiful Black Labrador Retriever with the wrong name. A name I cannot mention in case the UnHerd Censor has a seizure.
The RAF, as we used to call it recently desecrated the dog’s grave at RAF Scampton, Lincs, in order to be “inclusive ” or some such piffle.
“Never in human history have so many been so badly let down by so few”.
Apologies to WSC.
Is it calling someone a racist?
Childish, basically…
I believe it is a discriminatory reference to yokels as in Ooo R. Alternatively it could be a reference to the paramilitary wing of the Cornish Independence Party – The Ooh R A.
Clubhouse has had its first assassination attempt. It will have to wait a bit longer for a confirmed kill.
everything you ever wanted to know about today’s media and how it has been infected with wokeltarian culture in two neat little sentences.
I struggled to understand a word of this because it is another world entirely and one that I want nothing to do with. Then I remembered that Bret Weinstein talked about having tried out Clubhouse a few months ago. One would have thought Bret Weinstein had better things to do, but he was looking for places where he could discuss his Unity 2020 initiative. Whatever, better to read a book.
I’ve heard Weinstein say that in some circles he’s considered a heretic, maybe even a member of the dreaded alt-right, for daring to buck some of today’s leftist orthodoxy. He’s an old school liberal, the sort you may disagree with but have an adult conversation with despite that.
I am very aware of that, having watched all his Dark Horse podcasts, and the follow-up Q&As for some months now. And, of course, I have watched his appearances on Joe Rogan and his talks with Douglas Murray and others.
He is, as you say, the original woolly liberal.
Glad it wasn’t just me-plus other than a few obvious names I haven’t heard of any of these people-who the f … is Jamed Felton?
I got lost at “the r-slur” -I falsely assumed it would be explained later but obviously its as a common as a preposition in this world!
As you say-back to a good book!
I think it must mean calling someone a racist.
a six letter word for delayed, sometimes applied to individuals with limited cognitive function. It was also not said by the accused, not that this apparently matters to the NYT. Racist, meanwhile, remains standard fare, especially when applied to right wingers. Over time, that word has become diluted by overuse; hence, the attempt to institutionalize ‘white supremacists’ as the substitute term.
Thanks, I reckon you’re right.
“White supremacists'” was a change that had to be made, as so many of the racial “victim” class are clearly racists themselves.
I am not familiar with “Clubhouse”. This is the first I’ve heard of it. My opinion is that the article was well written. Can’t say that about much of what is published nowadays. If Clubhouse is supposed to be a way to exchange ideas in real time it seems to miss the mark. Who has the time to engage in extemporaneous conversation with strangers in a moderated arena about random topics? My feeling is the best approach is just to allow free speech in the forums that already exist. A free speech YouTube for instance. I guess it is be too late that. The Techno-Capitalist-Left has already decide to ignore the Constitution. The former United States is no longer a Nation of laws. What is discussed will be what is approved, what is allowed, what supports the “approved” agenda of the day.
Totally agree. I can’t fathom why so many commentators seem at a loss about what this is about.
Totally agree. I can’t fathom why so many commentators seem at a loss about what this is about. If you don’t understand something research it or not depends on your motivation.
I’ve never heard of Clubhouse, or any of the people mentioned in this article, and don’t understand what the article is about.
Actually, I have heard of Weinstein. I think he was one of those sane professors who got caught up in one of those liberal arts college race meltdowns a couple of years ago.
The Professor from evergreen is Eric Weinstein’s brother, Brett Weinstein. Both are worth listening to, at least outside of Clubhouse.
Aha, thanks.
Yes, Eric is probably the smartest man in America, and Bret (there is only one ‘t) is probably the nicest man in America. Their parents must be very proud.
So amused at Taylor Lorenz’ self-own. Clubhouse actually blocked her and then she snuck in using a burner account. Then bragged about it on Twitter. Media doesn’t have a right to join Clubhouse, nor should they be allowed to if they are going to lie about what is said.
This modern world we are galloping into, is a load of total BS. Makes me glad I’m getting old.
It’s the modern world that’s getting old…
It’s the modern world that is boring us all to death #tedious : )
…
Correction: Dr. Eric Berne published the scientific papers that were the basus for his system of Transactional Analysis in the late 1950s, not 1970s. Games People Play — which is still well worth reading, by the way — was published in 1964. The examples he draws, based on what he had been observing in the world and among his own patients understandably reflect the behaviour of middle class North Americans in the 1950s, but some of them — Let’s You and Him Fight comes to mind — are thriving in modern times as well. And, of course, we have invented a whole host of new dysfunctional interpersonal games.
Bern’s idea of the “stroke” as a currency of social interaction is a valuable concept which has universal application ““ not just among “middle class North Americans in the 1950s”. In Bern’s view the “stroke” plays to recognition hunger which he defines as a basic human need. So much so, that those denied positive, affirming, strokes will settle for (or actively seek) negative strokes ““ any acknowledgement, good or bad, is better than none. Which brings to mind Oscar Wilde’s well known remark in regard to being talked about: “The only thing worse is…”.
Good that Gavin Haynes sees the link to Berne’s pop-psychology but on social media the craving for recognition goes beyond merely angling for likes or upticks. In the Transactional Analysis system, games almost always begin with the provocation (or hook) of a put-down. This triggers a response and the game is on. You can see that playing out on social media in the behaviour of so-called trolls.
Is this a satirical piece? I feel suddenly very old and out of touch. And I know what Twitter is.
I would say that it’s a brilliant combination of satire, farce, comedy and tragedy. And that is quite an achievement.
It’s Greek to me…
My kids (29 and 29) have mentioned Clubhouse recently. One has a friend who’s a fashionable caterer in LA who’s participating in foodie discussions. The other is a budding nutritionist (almost graduated MS Columbia) who’s doing likewise. The nutritionist says so far the conversations are really dull, but she’s willing to give it another go. Not sure this will compete with the totally corrupt & censorious TWITTER app, but in general these things are just ‘time sucks’ – even the youngsters agree on that and perhaps this is a rare point that all generations can agree on, ie. get off of social media and live-your-life.
Are there exciting nutritionist discussions? I don’t mean to be dismissive of the field which helps so many people, but it isn’t exactly scintillating, is it?
Totally agree on the time suck point.
I think it’s hilarious that more people were just scratching their heads at the coy euphemism for retard.
There. I said it. Now we will all probably go to SJW hell.
Sorry, not sorry.