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The woke have no vision of the future Today's SJWs believe all that needs to be done to bring about a new world is to destroy the old one

I can't wait until these people are in charge. Photo: JUAN BARRETO/AFP via Getty Images

I can't wait until these people are in charge. Photo: JUAN BARRETO/AFP via Getty Images


December 31, 2020   7 mins

As some conservative commentators have observed, there are striking similarities between woke militants and the Bolsheviks who seized power in 1917. But what is unfolding, in the US and to a lesser extent in other countries, is at once more archaic and more futuristic than a twentieth century revolutionary coup. The current convulsion is an outbreak more closely akin to the anarchical millenarians movements that raged across Europe in the late Middle Ages, whose vision of redemption from history was shared by America’s founders, who carried it with them to the New World.

Nevertheless, Bolsheviks and woke militants do have some things in common. In late nineteenth century Russia, under the influence of their progressive parents, a generation of educated young people was convinced of the illegitimacy of the Tsarist regime. Dostoevsky’s Demons (1871) is a vivid chronicle of the tragic and farcical process by which progressive liberals discredited traditional institutions and unleashed a wave of revolutionary terror. Not only Tsarism but any form of government came to be seen as repressive. As one of Dostoevsky’s characters put it, “I got entangled in my data…Starting from unlimited freedom, I conclude with unlimited despotism.”

The woke generation have learned a similar lesson from their elders, this time about the failings of American democracy. Rejecting old-fashioned liberal values as complicit in oppression and essentially fraudulent, they extend their power not by persuasion but by socially marginalising and economically ruining their critics. As in the show trials orchestrated by Lenin’s disciple Stalin and Mao’s “struggle sessions”, woke activists demand public confession and repentance from their victims. Like the communist elites, woke insurgents aim to enforce a single worldview by the pedagogic use of fear. The rejection of liberal freedoms concludes with the tyranny of the righteous mob.

Yet the impulses that animate the woke uprising are different from those that energised Lenin or even Mao. For the Bolshevik leader — an authentic disciple of the Jacobin Enlightenment, or so he always insisted — violence was a tool, not an end in itself. In woke movements such as Antifa, on the other hand, violence seems to be mainly therapeutic in its role.

One may abhor the type of society Lenin aimed to construct as much as the methods he adopted to achieve it, as I do myself. Tens of millions were enslaved in forced labour camps, executed or starved to death in pursuit of a repellent fantasy. Even so, Lenin attempted to fashion a future that in his view was an improvement on the past.

Woke activists, in contrast, have no vision of the future. In Leninist terms they are infantile leftists, acting out a revolutionary performance with no strategy or plan for what they would do in power. Yet their difference from Lenin goes deeper. Rather than aiming for a better future, woke militants seek a cathartic present. Cleansing themselves and others of sin is their goal. Amidst vast inequalities of power and wealth, the woke generation bask in the eternal sunshine of their spotless virtue.

The key scenes in the woke uprising that followed the killing of George Floyd are rituals of purification in which public officials have washed the feet of insurgents, and acts of iconoclasm in which public monuments have been destroyed or defaced. These are symbolic actions aiming to sever the present from the past, not policies designed to fashion a different future.

The only concrete measure proposed has been to defund and disband the police. As some of the insurrectionaries’ placards have proclaimed, there will be no more police violence when there are no more police. Once repressive institutions have been methodically dismantled, a peaceful anarchy will prevail. As could have been foreseen by anyone with a smattering of history, outbreaks of mass looting in Chicago and other cities have not borne out this confidence.

New, ‘transformative’ systems of law enforcement will confront problems not unlike those faced by the police forces that have been dissolved.  ‘Autonomous zones’ of the kind that have been announced in Seattle, Portland and Minneapolis will need to resolve disputes and enforce their decisions. Local warlords and prophets — some of them no doubt armed — will become arbiters of public safety. When they overreach themselves and fail to protect even minimal levels of security, vigilantes and organised crime will fill the void. Where this proves costly or unstable, federal government may step in and impose order. In other cases, cities may be abandoned to become zones of anarchy.

The history of the medieval millenarians illustrates this process. They were antinomians, heretical believers who anathematised the Church and considered themselves released by divine grace from any moral restraints. While asserting their superior virtue, their signature practice was self-flagellation. Forgiveness — whether of themselves other others — was notably absent.

As Norman Cohn writes in his seminal study The Pursuit of the Millennium: Revolutionary Millenarians and Mystical Anarchists of the Middle Ages (1957), “in Germany and southern Europe alike flagellant groups continued to exist for more than two centuries.” Probably originating in Italy in the mid-thirteenth century, the flagellant movement reached a peak in Germany in 1348-9 when it was inflamed by the Black Death. There, as in other parts of Europe, the flagellants turned on sections of the population they accused of conjuring up the pestilence, particularly Jews, many of whose communities were wiped out.

Two hundred years later, the Anabaptist prophet Jan Bockelson seized control of the city of Munster, turning it briefly into a communist theocracy in which forcible baptisms and public executions became daily spectacles. Bockelson’s rule ended when, after a long siege, the city fell to armies acting for the Church. He was tortured to death in the town square.

For Cohn, the study of medieval millenarians was an essential part of understanding modern totalitarianism. It is also useful in understanding the woke movement. Medieval flagellants and woke militants combine a sense of their own moral infallibility with a passion for masochistic self-abasement. Medieval millenarians believed the world would be remade by God when Jesus returned after a millennium of injustice (millenarians are also known as chiliasts, chiliad being a thousand years), while the woke faithful believe divine intervention is no longer necessary: their own virtue will be sufficient. In both cases, nothing needs to be done to bring about a new world apart from destroying the old one.

There are some differences between the two movements. Mediaeval millenarians attracted much of their support from illiterate peasants and poor urban workers. The woke movement, on the other hand, is mostly composed of the offspring of middle class families schooled in institutions of higher learning. Like their medieval predecessors, woke activists believe themselves to be emancipated from established values. But, possibly uniquely in history, their antinomian rebellion emanates from an antinomian establishment.

The rise of the woke movement has not occurred as a result of a takeover of American institutions by a dictatorial government. Key American institutions have overthrown themselves, while Trump’s attempts to assert dictatorial power have so far been ineffectual. It may be that the scenes of anarchy that are part of the uprising will work in Trump’s favour in November. At least a third of the American population is opposed to woke values, a number that could increase substantially the more the uprising involves public disorder. Equally, Biden may prevail by promising a more peaceful future and find himself compelled to rein in the insurgency in order to preserve some degree of public order. Either way America will remain more or less ungovernable.

The foundational crimes of the American regime — black slavery and the seizure of indigenous groups’ lands that followed the War of Independence—are real enough. But so, in its continuing formative influence, is the mythology from which America was born. A Lockean fusion of Protestant religiosity with an Enlightenment faith in reason was the founding American religion.

Throughout most of American history Lockean liberalism has reflected the realities of power. Locke himself helped draft constitutions for Carolina that legitimated slavery, and argued that indigenous peoples could be suppressed on the ground that they had not cleared the wilderness and made their land productive. On occasion — as in the Rooseveltian settlement that followed the Second World War and made possible the civil rights movement in the Fifties and Sixties — America’s divisions were partly transcended. For the most part a redemptive myth has gone hand in hand with repression. The record suggests this will continue. Icons will be smashed and antinomian passions ventilated, while social and racial antagonisms remain brutal and intractable.

More than the faux-Marxian musings of postmodern thinkers, it is the singular American faith in national redemption that drives the woke insurgency. The self-imposed inquisitorial regime in universities and newspapers — where editors and journalists, professors and students are encouraged to sniff out and report heresy so it can be exposed and exorcised — smacks of Salem more than Leningrad. Saturated with Christian theology, Locke’s Enlightenment liberalism is reverting to a more primordial version of the founding faith. America is changing, radically and irreversibly, but it is also staying the same.

America’s ungovernability is morphing into a distinctive pattern of governance, with power shifting to institutions that are dismantling their traditional structures. Universities have become seminaries of woke religion, while newspapers are turning into sermonising agitprop sheets. At the same time mass unemployment and accelerating automation are stripping workers of what remained of the bargaining power they exercised before the neoliberal era.

The system that seems to be emerging is a high-tech variation on feudalism, with wealth creation concentrated around new industries and most of the population disenfranchised and dispossessed. While this metamorphosis gathers speed, the American media are manufacturing fictional narratives of national redemption.

America is on the way to becoming a semi-failed state. Its soft power has collapsed, probably irrecoverably. Yet it does not follow that it will cease to be a globally powerful actor. In a competition with totalitarian China, an American regime that mixes authoritarian control with zones of anarchy may have a comparative advantage. Classical totalitarianism is as obsolete as classical liberalism, and American mercantilism may be more resilient and innovative than Chinese state capitalism. A ruling elite shaped by figures like Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk may prove more capable of deploying new technologies than a communist emperor who has put China into a deep freeze. One of the most surreal moments during the insurrection occurred when Musk’s SpaceX, almost unnoticed, launched astronauts into space.

As the woke movement spills over into parts of Europe and the UK, it should be clear that this is no passing storm. Here, as in the US, woke militants have few, if any, definite policies. What they want is simply the end of the old order. The paroxysm we are witnessing may be remembered as a defining moment in the decline of the liberal west. Perhaps it is time to consider how to strengthen the enclaves of free thought and expression that still remain, so they have a chance of surviving in the blank and pitiless world that is being born.


John Gray is a political philosopher and author. His books include Seven Types of Atheism, False Dawn: the Delusions of Global Capitalism, and Black Mass: Apocalyptic Religion and The Death of Utopia.


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Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 years ago

the wokerati increasingly resemble the dog who chases cars – what would happen if he caught one? They are in the same situation; it is often rage for its own sake, and in the US at least, rage from a generation with less to be angry about than any in the country’s history. If the Bolsheviks or Medieval peoples are going to be invoked, then let’s be honest about it and mention the violence that followed.

Alex Tickell
Alex Tickell
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

I agree Alex totalitarianism will always end badly, but I think the author was making a different point regarding motivation?

Dennis Boylon
Dennis Boylon
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

See Seattle, Portland and Minneapolis. We don’t have to wonder

ml holton
ml holton
3 years ago

What I’m not understanding is the sudden fascination with ‘class’ in pop culture, evidenced by the surge of Downton Abbey spin-offs, like The Great (a fantasy retelling of Catherine’s ascent to the throne in Russia) or, the latest mock-Regency rage, Bridgerton. After viewing the latter, it struck me how tediously ‘conventional’ it was, even with all its ‘diversity’ malapropisms.

It seems that there remains a deep seated yearning (and intuitive understanding) for clear markers within the hierarchical structures of any society.

Equality, per se, is the fantasy. There are (and have always been) ‘winners’ and ‘losers’. To the victor goes the spoils. etc, etc. As always.

And yet, somewhere within the fertile muck of contemporarism, a new ‘utopianism’ has taken hold where marginal & marginalized minorities are ascending through the vast ‘pc’ bureaucracies of media & government. These ‘ascenders’ are attempting to impose their ‘socialist’ views on the existing majority’s pragmatism. They are attempting to usurp the daily reality of the ‘survival-of-the-fittest’ with a delusional – yet increasingly seductive – naive romanticism. At best, their increasing ascension is premeditated, calculated and deliberate. At worst, it’s alarming and dangerous to the ‘status quo’. If these class-obsessed wannabes do secure the ‘wealth & power’ they so persistently desire, rest assured, purging conservative property-owners & free-thinking dissidents will be next …

Watch for the latest rewrite of the ever-exhilarating French Revolution, where ‘Off With His Head!’ will soon equal the trivializing Trumpism, ‘You’re Fired!’

Starry Gordon
Starry Gordon
3 years ago
Reply to  ml holton

Human beings are willful animals, and do not like subordination. They will put up with it if there seems to be a substantial payoff, or if they are terrorized, but they do not take well to being objects of it anyway. Hence the need for force and fraud to maintain a class structure, class being that conflict frozen in place for the moment. But even when things seem to be quiet, there is enormous tension under the surface between the willfulness of humans and whatever suppresses it, including the willfulness of other humans. In short, class is war. The particular gyrations you mention are the efforts of those who have power and wealth to evade and deflect the envy and hatred of those who have not, lest open conflict break out.

Peter Francis
Peter Francis
3 years ago

This is one of the best, if not the best, articles that I have read in 2020. It made me remember the feeling I had, during a three year stint in the States, that middle class Americans, regardless of their political and religious allegiances, are more anxious about antinomian outbreaks than are their counterparts in the UK.

Starry Gordon
Starry Gordon
3 years ago
Reply to  Peter Francis

There is one problem with the article — it seems to be fact-free. Really — look around in it and see if you can reliably identify any particular entity, person, group, subject, movement, location, and so on. There are some sobriquets / slurs, like ‘woke’, but however gratifying to prejudice, these are neither informative nor entertaining.

robasghar
robasghar
3 years ago
Reply to  Starry Gordon

Gray discussed the defund/abolish movement, which crystallizes his concerns about the social justice movements.

robasghar
robasghar
3 years ago
Reply to  Starry Gordon

Gray discussed the defund/abolish causes. They symbolize the larger social justice movements, which are about dismantling what exists, without building something new or better.

David Foot
David Foot
3 years ago

The wokes are marxists and we need to do a Stalin purge of Marxists in the West before they purge, split and destroy us. They have floated a load of ideas which make no sense and fundamentally are against any form of merit.
USA and many parts of the British Empire are places where people are prepared to die with their children to get in to and the alternative tyrannies of Marxism, Islam, African nationalism have only generated hell holes people are prepared to die in order to get out of.

Even though USA did something like this in the 1930s and 1940s to the British Empire and they were so stupid as to give China the blue prints of the West in order not to pay their own workers decent wages, it would be a terrible thing if USA split and fell like the real thing did after 1945 with a bit of USA help.
USA is effectively the Renegade British Empire of the Americas and it is the last mayor Western power. It is better that USA survives strong.
The Marxist Empires of Russia and China are intact in part thanks to the mistakes of USA.
For the record the British Empire didn’t survive the Marxists of 1945 and the simultaneous USA attacks such as from Eisenhower and Roosevelt and Stalin, our “special” relation Roosevelt not only agreed with Stalin more than with Churchill but also wanted to stop Canada going in to WWII to help England and that was supposed to be our ally!

Starry Gordon
Starry Gordon
3 years ago
Reply to  David Foot

Once you get to recommending Stalin’s methods, it’s time for a little reflection.

Ralph Windsor
Ralph Windsor
3 years ago
Reply to  Starry Gordon

Although, to paraphrase the mass-murdering old b@stard: eliminate the Woke, eliminate the problem. Only in a manner of speaking, of course ;).

Imran Khan
Imran Khan
3 years ago

Good article but don’t worry, property owners will always defend their property. In the 2011 riots I know for a fact that Asian areas were left alone as they had armed themselves and attacked the rioters. I was told by a Turkish friend that armed groups patrolled Green Lanes just north of Tottenham where it all started. It was the soft area like trading estates that were trashed. If you own property that you have worked for you will defend it.

Drahcir Nevarc
Drahcir Nevarc
3 years ago
Reply to  Imran Khan

“I was told by a Turkish friend that armed groups patrolled Green Lanes just north of Tottenham where it all started.”

This is true. I remember seeing it on tv at the time.

Alex Tickell
Alex Tickell
3 years ago
Reply to  Imran Khan

It’s not really about the theft of property, rather the appropriation of thought.

Kiran Grimm
Kiran Grimm
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Tickell

Well, bless my soul!
I never would have considered rioting and looting to be a kind of intellectual exercise ““ a fascinating topic of philosophical discussion among the well-educated, well-informed elite (no less).

Still, if the rioting doesn’t threaten your property (or wellbeing or life) you can afford to take a more lofty view.

Meanwhile, those vulgar rioters will be more interested in the appropriation of big-ticket consumer durables rather than thought. They just don’t get it do they?

Ralph Windsor
Ralph Windsor
3 years ago
Reply to  Kiran Grimm

Well, of course, the big ticket TVs they half-inched they needed for their Open University social ‘science’ courses.

Robin Lambert
Robin Lambert
3 years ago
Reply to  Imran Khan

Croydon Shops were burnt or looted in 2011, where I was shops were boarded up,like Washington DC….

Andrew Hall
Andrew Hall
3 years ago

The idea that wokeists are part of a miserabilist medieval tradition of flagellants is one I cherish and will try to use more often in conversation.

Peter KE
Peter KE
3 years ago

The woke are criminal thug anarchists wanting to destroy democratic society. Semi-educated in areas of no value. We need to cut off the supply starting at universities and then attack the social systems they rely on. This piece is an unnecessary over-analysis.

Ralph Windsor
Ralph Windsor
3 years ago
Reply to  Peter KE

Wrong. Remember: know your enemy.

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago

Funnily enough I happened to read Dostoevsky’s ‘Devils’ early in 2020. It served as an appropriate appetiser for the BLM/Antifa looting, burning and killing etc.

Drahcir Nevarc
Drahcir Nevarc
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

I agree, his anatomisation of the mentality of 5th form marxism is uncannily prescient.

rogerldale
rogerldale
3 years ago

They attack a the culture that abolished slavery and laud the cultures that tried to keep it. All cultures used slaves( including African) to some extent on an opportunistic basis prior to the modern era. The BLM in the UK is aiming at the most anti- slavery of nations.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/world

Dennis Boylon
Dennis Boylon
3 years ago
Reply to  rogerldale

Not entirely. There is an exemption in the 13th amendment. One that “liberal” California has been the worst offenders of using. Penal slavery.

Ian Perkins
Ian Perkins
3 years ago

“The key scenes in the woke uprising … are … acts of iconoclasm in which public monuments have been destroyed or defaced. These are symbolic actions aiming to sever the present from the past, not policies designed to fashion a different future.”
There just might be a hint of truth in this severing of the present from the past, were the US South dotted with as many prominent statues of Harriet Tubman or John Brown as Robert E Lee. But it isn’t.

“The foundational crimes of the American regime ” black slavery and the seizure of indigenous groups’ lands that followed the War of Independence ” are real enough.”
But not real enough not to celebrate those behind these crimes against humanity, while black and indigenous people continue to reap the consequences.

Gary Greenbaum
Gary Greenbaum
3 years ago

” One of the most surreal moments during the insurrection occurred when Musk’s SpaceX, almost unnoticed, launched astronauts into space.”

Yeah, whatever. And China became the first nation in four and a half decades to return material from the Moon and the first to conduct a robotic rendezvous and docking in lunar orbit. That’s a little beyond sticking a sports car in solar orbit.

Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
3 years ago
Reply to  Gary Greenbaum

Perhaps you are unaware that the more difficult effort was launching a robot to collect a sample from an asteroid has happened with the robot on it’s way back now. The robot hovered to collect the sample but did so. Rather amazing US effort. I suppose intent is all that is now required.

Ralph Windsor
Ralph Windsor
3 years ago
Reply to  Gary Greenbaum

Asinine comment. The astronauts were not in the sports car. They were on their way to the International Space Station. Musk’s Space X and Bezos’s Blue Yonder are significant engineering developments with huge future potential. That is not to deny Chinese or other developments in space technology but back in the fifties and early sixties it looked as though the USA would trail behind the USSR in the so-called Space Race. But that is not how it turned out.

Dennis Boylon
Dennis Boylon
3 years ago

“Trump’s attempts to assert dictatorial power” ?

Kiran Grimm
Kiran Grimm
3 years ago

This rather interesting line at the end of John Gray’s penultimate paragraph:
“One of the most surreal moments during the insurrection occurred when Musk’s SpaceX, almost unnoticed, launched astronauts into space.”

The phrase “…almost unnoticed” stands out. Yes, it was reported in the MSM but with little of the fanfare that accompanied previous developments. Space exploration just isn’t sexy anymore. The public are content with the space opera fantasies of Star Wars and Star Trek which have the same relationship to the development of space travel that pornography has to actual sex.

Technological progress IS the future of humanity though absurd movements such as Extinction Rebellion are doing their best to denounce it as greedy and immoral while the intersectional crowd will only grudgingly give credit to developments that are too male and too white.

Dodgy Geezer
Dodgy Geezer
3 years ago

Local warlords and prophets ” some of them no doubt armed ” will become arbiters of public safety. When they overreach themselves and fail to protect even minimal levels of security, vigilantes and organised crime will fill the void. Where this proves costly or unstable, federal government may step in and impose order. In other cases, cities may be abandoned to become zones of anarchy….

Er… not at all. We know what will happen – history is FULL of such examples. When the revolution starts drowning in its own blood, a ‘strong man’ arises and takes over as a dictator. Like Napoleon. Happens all the time….

Ralph Windsor
Ralph Windsor
3 years ago
Reply to  Dodgy Geezer

And old Boney did say- or is alleged to have said – “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake”. Let us hope the Woke are making such a mistake.

robert scheetz
robert scheetz
3 years ago

John Gray’s etiology is surprisingly reductive. After all the critical thinking of the last 2 and one half centuries: Marx, Nietzsche, Frankfurt, …Foucault & Derrida, Western nihilism is honestly come by; and, he sees only Norodniki and Lenin. For sure its actuality is horrible, but these types are only realizing a programme long hard-wired into future history, correcting, e.g., for the vicious lie of the justification narrative of the “god-given right” of the oppressor class since John Brown’s body lies a moldering in the grave.

Frances An
Frances An
2 years ago

This really deserves to be a best of 2020 article. It traces the radical progressive-left’s descent into madness and pointless rebellion so well. Professor Gray please come back and write something else when you can!

zac chang
zac chang
3 years ago
What we might think of as the "war on wokeness" appears to be simply one more iteration of the same entrenched intolerance that has characterized our history reflexively defending itself. It makes me think immediately of a quote by Neil Gaiman:
"I was reading a book (about interjections, oddly enough) yesterday which included the phrase “In these days of political correctness…” talking about no longer making jokes that denigrated people for their culture or for the colour of their skin. And I thought, “That’s not actually anything to do with ‘political correctness’. That’s just treating other people with respect.”Which made me oddly happy. I started imagining a world in which we replaced the phrase “politically correct” wherever we could with “treating other people with respect”, and it made me smile. You should try it. It’s peculiarly enlightening. I know what you’re thinking now. You’re thinking “Oh my god, that’s treating other people with respect gone mad!”
and also of a different quote by John Cleese:
"Snowflakes is a word used by sociopaths in an attempt to discredit the notion of empathy."
The simple fact is that in a widely intolerant rape culture institutional racism world, displaying basic human decency is a threat to that status quo. That's why this term, or any term, which indicates willingness to care about the feelings and dignity of others will suffer denigration. In precisely the same hypocritical way that the sort of people who burned Harry Potter books clutch their pearls in outrage at the prospect of the Dr Seuss foundation discontinuing a handful of largely unread titles with racist content, bigoty will always claim that anti-bigotry is "the real bigotry" in a classic exampe of what Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels meant when he reportedly said:
"You must always accuse your opponents of doing the thing that you yourself are doing."
As one term for encouraging human kindness is steadily disempowered by alt right bros displaying contempt for it over and over again until their acolytes reliably parrot that malice every time it comes up, new terminology for the same thing will inevitably arise, and this endless cycle will begin anew. It's repellent, but at least it's understandable, and no matter how hard the most awful individuals around us try to normalize sociopathy, human empathy also isn't going away, at least not yet.
Alex Tickell
Alex Tickell
3 years ago

So true! Contrasting twentieth century communism which for all it’s dreadful faults did bring many millions out of poverty, with the modern equivalent which seeks simply to destroy the present, substituting anarchy and suppression of free thought. We of a certain age are the last bulwark, if in doubt try conversing with the average educated youth.

Drahcir Nevarc
Drahcir Nevarc
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Tickell

“communism which for all it’s dreadful faults did bring many millions out of poverty,”

It didn’t.

Bruce Dalcher
Bruce Dalcher
3 years ago
Reply to  Drahcir Nevarc

Alex Tickell, I have seldom seen a comment more factually incorrect than your claim about poverty.

David Nebeský
David Nebeský
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Tickell

You have no idea about poverty in communist countries.

wrirwin
wrirwin
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Tickell

Communism transformed the Russian poor from serfs of the Tsar into serfs of the Communist Party. You can argue that was progress, but be honest about the facts, including the millions of “poor”who died in the process.

David Boulding
David Boulding
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Tickell

20thC Communism killed millions and plunged people into poverty and starvation. It has done nothing for anyone.

David Eppel
David Eppel
3 years ago

I think there may be a few thousand ‘Antifa’ a movement grossly exaggerated by MSM. The US has a huge problem with low IQ, uneducated Trump enablers who ignore truth facts and reason, in the same way religionists do.(Scammed be evangelists who are about as Xtian as Genghis Kahn). The abuse of economic power by Republicans is just appalling. Their hatred of low earners and minorities has no place in this world. The ‘K’ shaped recovery is simply a transfer of wealth (government debt) from the poor to the rich. And people are angry about this? Surely not.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 years ago
Reply to  David Eppel

is it Trump people who engaged in rioting, looting, and murder for months in numerous US cities? Is it Trump people who brand all white people as unreconstructed racists? Is it Trump people who attack others for saying such radical things as “men do no get pregnant”?

Their hatred of low earners and minorities has no place in this world.
Where is any evidence of either? Before the pandemic, unemployment rates among minorities were at historic lows. That’s a poor result from people who allegedly hate minorities. Wall St, Hollywood, Big Tech, and Big Media are subsidiaries of the left. They’re not Repubs; they would eliminate Repubs if they could.

Karen Lindquist
Karen Lindquist
3 years ago
Reply to  David Eppel

David, The US is the third most populous country on earth, and your summarization of it is not only skewed, but betrays a bias that sounds like typical European drivel.
It may interest you to know that out of nearly 350 million people, about four times that of the UK, we are all basically immigrants, and the number of more recent immigrants who come here unable to read or write in their own native language is high. It is a problem, to be sure, but it is one that liberals neglect to tackle.
If you think liberals, democrats, or progressives are somehow under the thumb of the Republicans who rule with an iron fist, maybe you should learn about the hawkish policies of Obama. And Bill Clinton. Two presidents who did very little good in their 8 years in office.
The left ignores facts and reason as much as any fundamentalist conservative. Two sides of the same coin. The difference is that the media isn’t fanning the flames of crazy religious hatred at the moment, as the handlers have them busy promoting anti-science woke hysteria.
The “hatred of minorities” you mention is 1) not much different than any other place, except we are wayyyyy bigger and have wayyyy more mixed cultures, which often don’t get along because those cultures don’t want to conform to the very much British colonial value system. Those fundamentalists conveniently get left out of the conversation by the likes of you.
People here overwhelming actually do not hate minorities. Do they respect the working class? No less than Britain. The percentage of fringe assholes who do hideous things publically is probably on par with the UK. But four times the people, and most of them armed with guns.
The abuse of economic power is something that has existed under both parties. Stop getting your news from facebook.
As for a transfer of wealth, I don’t know what you think is happening, but it isn’t that. And those lefties you think are doing so much good? Most of them from privileged families with way more money than my working class self.

Robin Lambert
Robin Lambert
3 years ago
Reply to  David Eppel

Garbage. Trump scores 32% of his vote came from Black districts, he has done more for ‘Blue Collar’ Workers than Any democrat since lyndon johnson ”The Great society”.

Rob C
Rob C
3 years ago
Reply to  Robin Lambert

If Trump got 100% of the Black vote it would only amount to 13%. But he got maybe 12% of 13% about 2%.

Ralph Windsor
Ralph Windsor
3 years ago
Reply to  David Eppel

Makes about as much sense as speaking in tongues.