For some Prime Ministers, their premierships are defined by one thing. Winston Churchill and the war, Anthony Eden and Suez, Tony Blair and Iraq, Gordon Brown and the financial crisis, David Cameron and that referendum. For Boris Johnson, it will be Brexit.
True, Johnson’s relatively short time in office has been dominated by the pandemic. But his premiership was both created and defined by Brexit; it was a response to a crisis that our political system showed itself unable to resolve. From the very beginning, it was anchored in a promise to do what MPs had shown themselves incapabable of doing – to Get Brexit Done.
By securing the Withdrawal Agreement, and now a Brexit trade deal, Johnson has delivered what so many of his critics said could not be delivered. And along the way he has challenged our understanding of him as a leader and politician. While many said that he would prefer a no-deal over the withdrawal agreement, he went for the latter; while many said that he would prefer a no-deal over a trade deal, he went for the latter; and while much of our increasingly shrill media and Twitterati has presented him as an ideological zealot, comparable to the likes of Donald Trump, he has once again shown himself to be what many people on these islands consider themselves to be — a pragmatist.
One of the reasons why Johnson has retained much of his support over the past year is that he ended up leading a reassertion of popular sovereignty over parliamentary sovereignty. Brexit was always destined to lead our country into a constitutional crisis because it was the first occasion in living memory when a majority of people outside of parliament asked for something that a majority of people inside parliament did not want to give: a new settlement, a radical and real rupture from the status-quo that had emerged during the preceding half-century. When parliament refused, the pendulum swung back to the people and at the general election of 2019, they ensured that their request for change was respected and delivered. Johnson and his premiership became their vehicle — and they gave that vehicle the largest majority for any Conservative since Margaret Thatcher’s final majority in 1987. Indeed, it is no coincidence that Thatcher and Johnson have held the largest Conservative majorities of the modern era; both have displayed an instinctive ability to tap into deeper currents that were both overlooked and underestimated by the London-centric commentariat.
Johnson now finds himself as the first Conservative leader who can credibly claim to have triumphed over the Europe question, an issue that took down all four of his Conservative predecessors in No 10. One way or another, Margaret Thatcher, John Major, David Cameron and Theresa May were all brought down by Europe. Johnson, though, has triumphed over it. And he has done so while realigning his party and much of the country. Major, Cameron and May never really understood the true power of the conservative electorate, or the extent to which the conservative brand could connect with parts of the country that were long thought beyond reach.
Few, if any, Conservative ‘modernisers’ who dominated the past two decades grasped how the underlying foundations of Britain were shifting in profound ways. They fell into the trap of believing that social and economic liberalism was the winning formula when in fact it was nearing its sell-by date. On a good day, the Cameroons could just about scrape 38% in the polls; today, that is what Johnson is still averaging after an incredibly difficult and some might say disastrous first year in office. That is the power of the coalition that supports him.
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SubscribeHaving secured Brexit, the hard next phase is to rebalance the media, public sector, the third sector, MSM, Police, academia and our judiciary away from cultural Marxism that is endemic.
As you say, the cultural Marxism is ‘endemic’. As such, a return to sanity and morality will require much more than a ‘rebalancing’. Only a decisive reckoning that sees millions of these people defunded and/or removed will do the job.
The tide has already turned on Cultural Marxism. Licence fee payers have abandoned the BBC in huge numbers. Former supporters of the National Trust have cancelled their membership. The guardian is on its knees. Publications such as The New European are unlikely to survive. These are just a few examples of democracy in action. Citizens determine the shape of their country by the choices they make. The vast majority of British citizens choose not to be ruled by Cultural Marxists.
Hope you’re right. The Marxists do have control over our young people as soon as they walk into nursery school. The trend may be difficult to stop
Sadly you maybe correct in view of the fact that one of the last bastions, Eton College has just fallen to the Marxist hordes.
Oh, to think of the joy that must bring to the ‘Shriekers of Quislington’, at this festive time.
Leave your kids with no illusions about the nature of their schooling and teachers as we did way back and they are unlikely to suffer from Marxism. You can do it with older kids via learning and point out the essential contradictions of egalitarian or critical theories. Younger kids, say ages 8-11, can grasp the value our society places on money. They observe that the people who set out to damage our childrens’ minds are paid about the same as a skilled plant operator yet live in middle class enclaves with no access to the real world. Stuck in their silos of gossip and keeping up with the Joneses no wonder state school teachers are often miserable, poor (unless second earners) and have mental health/stress issues. Giving your kids the heads up in early school age can help them 1. See thru the BS and use school to get qualifications that will help them 2. Recognise the few teachers still committed to pedagogical work in an open society and learn as much as you can from these characters before they become extinct.
difficult to turn the tide on something that only exists in the paranoid delusions of third generation followers of Sir Oswald Ernald Mosley, 6th Baronet.
speaking of Baronets…the likeness of Farage to Penelope Keith in her role in “To The Manor Born” is uncanny.
Farage and pretty much everyone else on this thread are trapped in the time warp portrayed in that first episode of TTMB.
The carnage a collapsing empire and its human toll is a gift that keeps on giving.
You must have been snorting something a little too exotic after your Christmas pudding squire.
party hardy my friend…your hangover will be compouned when you discover what is in Johnson’s agreement…get your fishing nets ready.
Miaow!
Don’t waste your time on that cretin.
“Bojo ain’t no Maggie! This dirty deal is BRINO not BREXIT!”
Quite true, but Mrs Thatcher was strongly in favour of expanded cooperation with the EU.
until she wasn’t
“Boris has sold out our Fisherman, and he wont be ever forgiven for that come the next GE.”
I think we can dismiss your post as irrelevant assumption.
next GE –
from Brexit polarisation to acquiescence.
the stages of grief
denial…has been worked through for the past two years and now we are into
anger…Farages turf which he will be stoking and fanning in 3…2…
bargaining…Scotland and Northern Ireland leaving the English dumpster fire to burn itself out while they get on with their lives.
depression… Englands natural state.
acceptance.
Nobody cares. More people work in fairgrounds than fishing.
and yet here you are…finance is going the way of the fisheries.
Resentment is like drinking poison and hoping it will kill your enemies. Nelson
Mandella.
“Boris never had any intention of keeping his red line promise on fishing and until the small print is scrutinized and approved Brexit is only a smokescreen for May’s BRINO.”
Do you mean the EU, that empire that’s just had one of its biggest funders and markets walk away from it?
Well, if there’s a deal in place, then it hasn’t had one of its biggest markets walk away. It remains to be seen what effect Brexit will have on EU funding.
“Yes, British Fishermen have been sold out AGAIN. So much for taking back control when it’s the EU that is dictating how much they will take and how much we will take.”
I’m sorry for your media-induced psychosis. You’re in real pain. And the tragic thing is it’s all been a creation of Alistair Campbell types and other modern-day propagandists of his ideologically perverted ilk.
Like most, you really didn’t give a second thought to the EU or considered how it supposedly made your life better in every meaningful way before the ref, and now you truly believe the world is about to collapse because that’s the narrative they used. Pure, full-on brute-force fear-mongering and demonization of the opposition.
It’s been strange watching so many people be driven to mental illness simply because they rely on the MSM to inform, educate, and guide them intellectually about the world. That is what they believe their brand of MSM does for them and do not realize they are, in fact, being manipulated (they moronically believe that only happens in the opposite direction). And make no mistake, your loathsome, irrational, vitriolic reply to a factually accurate, balanced piece like this is MENTAL and unhinged.
You’re a poisoned, toxic, uneducated, brainwashed individual. But like most of you, you are too arrogant and delusional to see that.
John what a fantastic summary well done
your grief is noted and the tinge of anger is good sign as it indicates you are moving the stages of grief.
Boris Johnson admits Brexit deal falls short for financial services
PM says agreement ‘does not go as far as we would like’ over sector’s access to EU markets
Boris Johnson has conceded that the Brexit trade deal “perhaps does not go as far as we would like” over access to EU markets for financial services, while insisting he had achieved an accord his critics said would be impossible.
In an interview with the Sunday Telegraph, the prime minister said he had defied accusations of “cake-ism” ““ seeking the impossible ““ in getting a trade deal that allowed divergence from EU standards.
It had been, Johnson said, billed as out of the question “that you could do free trade with the EU without being drawn into their regulatory or legislative orbit”.
And…you smell!!!
Don’t be such a vulgar t**t!
You can do better than that.
Don’t be so vulgar.
You can do better than that.
The Brexiteers won. Time to grow up and stop whingeing about the result Mr Yesbizness, you are beginning to sound remarkably like that idiot President Donald Trump.I can’t help feeling that fanatical EU
propagandists, like you, must also accept some of the blame for helping the
Brexit camp win. Well done!
take your expressions of angst to the authors of the comments published in the Press…like this…or not… some find it comforting to put their heads where the sun don’t shine when confronted with difficult truths.
Boris Johnson admits Brexit deal falls short for financial services
PM says agreement ‘does not go as far as we would like’ over sector’s access to EU markets
The reality is that our “financial sector” is far too large a proportion of our economy and it doesn’t earn it’s keep. The profits, and telephone number salaries and bonuses are diverted offshore and contribute nothing to the welfare of the general population or the country as a whole. It is time we kicked it, and neo-liberal economics into the gurgler.
I think if you check some reliable statistics you will find that countries with a large manufacturing sector are the countries with a favourable balance of trade. Despite our oversized service sector, it doesn’t make up for genuine added value products and the deficit has been made up by selling the countries assets and utilities brick by brick for the last 40 years.
Leaving the E.U. is not an end in itself, It is just the first and necessary step to restoring a sane and fair economy in this country. There is much to do and we are now free to do it. We just need a government that puts the interests of the country and it’s people first.
It’s a female of the species that inhabits the slopes of Mt Hood, Oregon.
Sadly, you are wasting your time.
And apparently in the quest for more balanced reporting the circulation figures of the Sun, Daily Mail and Daily Express have rocketed.
Dream on and tilt at your windmills.
LOL
Why are you laughing Jeremy?
You will lose a lot more battles as democratic accountability is restored to the people of this country.
Again LOL
The British people had the chance to hold the politicians accountable for the Iraq War during GE2005. The 2 political parties that institutionally supported the war got c.66% of the vote. The only major political party that institutionally opposed the war (LibDems) didn’t win the election. Unless of course it promised to eat English babies in their election platform? Did it?
The British people had the chance to hold Boris accountable after he sold Northern Ireland with his WA – after promising NOT TO DO SO during his Tory leadership campaign.
The Lib Dems a “major political
party”? They have made themselves an irrelevance under a series of non-entity ‘leaders’ and are likely to be buried by Reform UK next year.
the first body in that grave will be Johnson’s followed in quick succession by Gove The Dunce and Rees-Mogg The Effete…good times.
“They have made themselves an irrelevance under a series of non-entity ‘leaders’ and are likely to be buried by Reform UK next year.”
Completely pointless in relation to GE2005. But go for it. The insanity is fascinating .
The 2 political parties that institutionally supported the war got c.66% of the vote.
They were deliberately misled, some might even say lied to, by the Prime Minister. Unless you think MPs should have assumed a PM would lie to them to curry support for a war, of course they would support the government. Once it became clear that they had been lied to that support evaporated. If you tested that Parliament now on whether they still agreed with the Iraq War knowing what they know now, you’d find they wouldn’t, I think.
Lib Dem knee jerk pacifism is not a respectable, moral or worthy position. It’s cowardice masquerading as principle, which is why the Lib Dems are – rightly – laughed at, despised, and irrelevant.
By 2005 EVERYBODY Knew that there were no WMDs in Iraq. And as you say the PM lied. People (not MPs) had the choice to punish both parties – they did not.
Lib Dems supported military action in Ex-Yugoslavia (how is that for pacifism?) and Libya.
Sorry, but I’m not going to vote Lib Dem just to punish someone for having assumed the PM to be truthful.
It’s this insistence that whatever matters to them is the only thing that should matter to everyone, and that this alone should drive my vote, that marks the Lib Dems out as a fringe whack job party (see also the 2019 election, and the LD belief that overturning the referendum was going to be a big vote winner).
“Sorry, but I’m not going to vote Lib Dem just to punish someone for having assumed the PM to be truthful.” – nice try!
The LibDems is the none-of-the-other party and in reality is just a joke. The party to vote for when you refuse to join the real world.
yes, because the party of Jeremy Corbyn, Mark Francois screams competence.
Certainly more so than the party of Jo “I am a candidate for PM” Swinson, or of Nick “Principles? Me?” Clegg, or of Menzies “I’m a foreign policy expert because I’ve got an atlas” Campbell, or of Charlie “I am ash pished ash a farrt” Kennedy, or of Paddy Pantsdown, or of David “Gurr back to yurr constitchencies an’ prepare furr goverrnment” Steel, or Jeremy “Shoot Rinka” Thorpe, or of Cyril “Bend over my knee little boy” Smith…
The Lib Dems have mediocrity running through them like a stick of rock.
Not to mention Leila Slugger Moran and her dream to make the LibDem’s more woke than Jeremy Jewbaiter and the National Socialists.
The Catch-22 with this argument is that in a democratic country, people have the right to choose whether or not to educate their children privately.
Bring on the referendums!
be careful what you wish for.
and by ‘…this country…’ you mean England which is destined to become a unitary state with an economy smaller than Scotland’s and that of a unified Irish Republic.
The City’s exodus to Dublin and Amsterdam is the death knell for England’s economy.
“In the wake of Brexit, Amsterdam is the new London”
‘How a city less than a tenth of London’s size is becoming Europe’s unlikely financial powerhouse’
Fortune Magazine; BY VIVIENNE WALT
November 25, 2019
Stop swallowing the fantasy pills old boy.
you are the essence of conservative ideologie’s bankruptcy offering feeble ad hominems in the absence of rattional argument.
You are insane
doubling down on the ad hominem I see
Pot and kettle
It’s not boy it’s a nun actually. Maybe we should call her sister from now on?
Ok, sister it is. Sounds a bit creepy though.
Did they forget to buy the batteries for your new toys this Christmas then or what?
: “Boris never had any intention of keeping his red line promise on fishing and until the small print is scrutinized and approved Brexit is only a smokescreen for May’s BRINO.”
ad hominem noted
Don’t forget Eton College, that fountainhead of Wokeness!
Hopefully soon to wither on the vine.
go change your diaper.
Happy Christmas Hockey Mom!
What a vulgar specimen you are, and incidentally in English we call the thing you are sitting in a nappy not a diaper.
Couldn’t you also have confined all your juvenile piffle to just one post?
perhaps you should try this when you next change your diaper…
In partnership with a retired Salk Institute scientist, Dr. Camille Newton and her husband developed the PureWickâ„¢ System in the pursuit of a better way to help manage female urinary incontinence. As a visiting physician, Dr. Newton saw caregivers struggle to keep their loved ones dry using traditional incontinence products.
Your derisory, bigoted remarks lead me to conclude you are either unbalanced, or a Marxist troll.
Well spotted!
tut…tut…hey what old boy…
“Boris has sold out our Fisherman, and he wont be ever forgiven for that come the next GE.”
I’m guessing you didn’t get get many hugs and kisses as a child.
May God heal all your sorrows and turn confusion to calm in 2021.
fallacies such as the ad hominem are better understood as perversions or corruptions of perfectly good arguments…you really need to try to put forward your perfectly good arguments though I suspect perversion and corruption are your baliwick.
You know, you can have too much of a good time…
I presume your brain transplant got cancelled.
said the corrupt pervert
you third generation Black Shirts are a disgrace.
You are referring to the Woke brigade, I take it.
you are too modest ignoring your family’s ties to Sir Oswald Ernald Mosley, 6th Baronet, that original copy of Mosley’s Memorandum gathering dust in your archives will fetch a pretty penny in the right [extreme] quarter.
Good grief! You are in a far worse state than I thought. Stop taking the drugs, they are obviously screwing up your mind. You poor deluded scumbag. You are totally deranged!
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Because cultural Marxism is a culture of nothing drawn from nonsense i expect most of the msm, public sector etc are just followers, dupes in thrall to the naked emporer Marx and his successors. The few loud mouths at the front probably believe they have the key to history, but the followers are easy picking for the next snake oil or virus salesman that comes along.
Anybody with an interest in having a left-leaning government in the future (I count myself as one) should read this article. They won’t, of course. “Most normal people who do not live their lives on Twitter will not hand power to people who appear to loathe everything about the country they love.” In a nutshell.
I would very much rather not have a left-leaning government in future. However, it’s reassuring to know that at least some people on your side of the debate actually want Britain to prosper.
You’re absolutely right but I doubt there is any hope. Boris is almost certainly with us for the next 10 years. As you rightly say, if you are perceived as hating your country, the loss of the Red Wall will be entrenched. There is no guarantee that it will return.
Psephologically speaking, that is nailed on. Nobody goes from an 80-seat majority – which would have been 100 on fair boundaries – to defeat in one election cycle. The Conservatives won so big in ’87 they were always odds-on to win in ’92. After the latter, they became a minority government within a few years, and it is mostly minority administrations that lose elections.
2024 is won already; the only question really is whether 2019 was 1983 or 1987 – or even 1979.
That is incorrect. If a GE were to happen now, based on current polling, then Con would not win a majority (although would be the largest party). I actually think a Hung Parliament is a real possibility and no party would go into a coalition with Con. TBP may go into coalition with Con, but the would only ever take sease that were Con to begin with, so that does no really help.
Therefore a left wing alliance coalition is a real possibility.
Absolutely, categorically not.
There has been only one occasion since WW2 when a government with a majority was defeated and replaced by the Opposition with its own majority (Heath in 1970 won a majority of ~30 against Wislon who’d had a majority of ~60). That’s the one and only time.
So starting from there, look at the landscape and ask yourself what about the Labour Party points to its upending this 75-year trend.
– Its electrifying leader?
– Its impressive suite of policies?
– Its clear and purposeful programme for government, articulately – expressed by heavyweight spokesmen clearly equal to the challenges of office?
– Its freedom from disgusting associations with anti-Semitism or wokeism?
– The large number of winnable marginals where it’s second?
– Its electoral recovery in Scawtlun?
– Public indifference and dislike for the government?
– Its articulate critique of government policy errors?
– Its historic record of competence in office?
Nope to every single one.
On present form, Sir Keir Stürmer may well go forward a bit but with the loss of Scawtlun he’ll do well to get t about 230 seats. Labour are two, maybe four more elections defeats away from power and the laughable LD and SDP minnows are not going to change this.
I’m not sure the Labour Party aren’t actually finished electorally, certainly in England if Scotland goes. Maybe a different realignment will emerge.
Dream on, pal.
More of a nightmare.
A very good and readable article from Matthew, as so often. As he says, the BBC, the denizens of QuIslington, the modern Labour party and the vast majority of the media will never understand the lives of normal, decent, useful people. Nor will they ever have any respect for democracy, as demonstrated by their love of the profoundly anti-democratic EU. (And I write as a sometime denizen of QuIslington who was once very pro-EEC and EU). I have also lived, worked and paid taxes in four EU countries, including the UK.
New conspiracy theories from you every day.
Calm down Jeremy
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Let the jester continue to caper about.
His dance seems to be growing more frenzied.
can’t wait for Johnson’s agreement to be fully disected and diseminated…you and your will be doing a conservative’s jig resembling St Vitus’ dance
I’ve a feeling the men in white coats be arriving soon to take you away.
your ad hominem is noted and your surrender is appreciated.
What conspiracy theory has Fraser Bailey expressed today? What new conspiracy theory did he express yesterday? What new conspiracy theories did he express on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday?
And answer from Jeremy…. there came none..
Par for the course with Jezza.
Read Frasers historical comments
trump’s election, biden, who killed Kennedy…the list goes on
Your insinuation thst Fraser is some sort of paranoid conspiracy theorist is a reliable indication of his excellent grasp of reality.
Pot, kettle, black Jerry.
QAnon acolytes are as pernicious as genital warts.
People who are blinded by ideology become fascists.
“Quislington” – Brilliant!
Quislinginton founded by the Viking clan of Quisling who also produced Vidkun Quisling who like you was sympathetic to the little Austrian corporal with the Chaplin mustache…brilliant indeed.
Thanks. I’ve been using that one in various comment sections for some years now. One or two people have picked up on it, but perhaps we can get it into everyday speech if we all try hard enough.
I intend to use it whenever I can, and off course all those ‘up ticks’ I seem to be garnering are rightfully yours!
I upvoted you for the Quislington, but this shameless sucking up to Boris will stop when the real world comes along in a few years.
Work From Home, WFH! That is the end of London prosperity. As TVs stopped being made in the West as it outsourced, my guess is desk work will too. Till now the work visa kept global competition from taking London desk jobs. Half a worker’s cost is salary the rest UK costs, Western salaries are very high. Contracting per hour with no benefits or tax or NHS or pension or office costs will run the tedious work overseas to Manila and Mumbai at 1/4 the cost, and they can work 80 hours for it.
You guys are like the home weavers when the factory mills opened. It only takes a few percent of middle class jobs to fallow the service jobs to covid and things can reach a tipping point. How about the pensions holding Office buildings with reduced need? It all is looking like a tsunami!
Boris the craven did this. Sure, he kept at Brexit, but wrecked UK by his lockdowns!
I voted Remain. But was eventually persuaded to support a ‘Global Britain’ version of Brexit. I voted for my first Conservative PM as I thought he had the ability to ‘thread the needle’ . He was very much a ‘use only in an emergency’ type candidate. The Brexit impasse was an emergency. By hook or by crook, I had a sense he would get it done. And he did.
To call the Pandemic a curve ball would be an understatement. He never had the temperament or image to manage a ‘natural disaster’ type crisis. I do however think he may be the right person to lead us out of the pandemic. To ‘bounce back’. The media and the Left tried to assassinate Boris before the election and failed spectacularly. They tried again during the pandemic and had much more success.
But I think the Left and the Media were talking crap about Boris before the election and I think they have been talking crap about him since the election. I actually think he has performed well in almost impossible circumstances. For the first time since March I am optimistic that we may find a way out of this mess and BJ just might be the best person to do it. By hook or by crook
Are you talking about the same Boris that betrayed NI…after promising during the Tory leadership NOT TO DO THAT?
Are you talking about the same person that is accused by EVERYONE that has worked with him as a liar, charlatan, lazy, immoral and so on?
It’s Christmas Day Jeremy. Go and play with your new toy .
Nice try!
I state facts and you pretend that I did not.
neo fascist tory’s don’t do facts
You lost. You can retire the fascist rhetoric now. It’s boring.
spoken like the good little fascist that you are…loss is something you will become very familiar with in the coming decade.
It’s an old toy. Ask Jeffery Toobin.
That description would fit most of the human race, at one time or another.
As to NI “when the facts change etc”, as that paragon of socialist virtue Keynes so appositely said.
Anyway back to the train set, one of the demented pygmies has derailed the “Flying Scotsman”, yet again!
When it comes to NI facts didn’t change at all, Boris just lied.
Leavers here pretend that they he did not.
The ‘art’ of a politician, it was ever thus.
$350 million pounds a week to the NHS
I would expect a better answer from you.
We both know he lied.
Teresa May (in her own weird way) was far more honest.
OK, yes he lied, but that is par for the course for a politician, even the sainted WSC did so on occasion! Irritating I grant you, but that is the way of the world. Even the Ancients we’re guilty on occasion.
Incidentally one of your countrywomen, one “Nun Yerbizness (NY) from Oregon needs to tone down her vulgarity if she wishes to taken seriously. I have no doubt you find her an embarrassment, as I do.
Finally, I do hope you are not going to desert this “sceptered isle” as a result of the Brexit outcome? You spoke rather eloquently of the gentleness of this place, it would be sad to loose you!
The issue was not one of betrayal. It was one of splitting a sovereign country with a trade barrier. Highly undesireable but not betrayal to my mind. NI remains within the Uks customs union. Importantly the people of NI have the power to end the withdrawal agreement.
so Boris is quoting “…that paragon of socialist virtue…” these days.
buy fishing fleet futures now…it is England’s future.
I think he’s talking about the man who’s just won the next election, as a matter of fact.
I didn’t question the fact that BoJo won the election. I simply pointed out his betrayal and his lies. Snowflake Leavers here pretend they he is not a liar, lazy or immoral!
Liar? Show me a PM in the last 100 years who hasn’t.
Immoral? Again, not many PM’s around who weren’t. Wilson? Churchill? Major? Others non proven, I am sure.
Lazy? No. That is an out and out lie. No-one who is in No 10 has the chance to be, and certainly not over the last 10 months. I doubt very much that you could have put in the number of hours he must have done.
Lazy? Just ask his old housemaster from Eton.
Boris Johnson is still the man from the Bullingdon Club who delighted in setting fire to banknotes while sneering at the homeless. The man who was the butt of jokes in ‘Have I Got News For You’.
‘There are none so blind than they who will not see’.
DenialAR…….etc, meant the NEXT election I think you will find.
conservative ideology requires self delusion and willful ignorance.
As does all fundamentalist ideology especially yours with it’s complete intolerance for anything other than your world view. Name calling belongs to the primary school play ground not to serious discussion.
please do point to this “serious discussion” you think you and yours provide.
Plenty of name calling on here today from BOTH sides of the opinion – or are you picking and choosing what you want to see?
Actually, you are confusing it with Marxism.
Easy enough mistake for a Moscow troll to make.
If the train set has already lost its appeal you should go to bed. You are plainly over-tired.
the next election involving the voters of England and perhaps Wales.
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The J J to whom you address your comment is a person whom I very much disagree with about Brexit, but whom I very much admire, both for his/her respect for democracy, and for the cogency with which he/she expresses his/her views.
J J’s comment, as a Remain-voter in 2016, amounts to a fairly cautious defence of the thesis that Boris is the best man to lead us out of the Covid crisis.
Your first argument, i.e. re Northern Ireland, is specious. Presumably you are to be understood as arguing as follows:-
1. Boris betrayed NI after promising not to
ergo
2. Boris is not the best man to lead us out of Covid.
This argument is manifestly invalid. 1 even if true has no bearing on the truth of 2.
Your second argument is ludicrous. It’s plainly untrue that everyone Boris associates with thinks ill of him. Even if they did, so what? What we care about is his capacity to negotiate EU trade treaties and lead us out of Covid. We don’t care about his social life.
Give it up, Jerry. You’re pushing water uphill.
Ralphie you are embarrassing yourself.
Perhaps a lie-down might help you? You seem a little overwrought.
Word of advice, Jeremy, worth what it costs you – shrieking about Boris being a liar from now until 2024 isn’t going to get you anywhere. Literally not one millimetre.
You hate Boris because Thatcher-like he keeps routing the left, but he keeps routing the left because nobody but the left hates Boris. He comes over as a likeable bloke you could have a drink with who’s honestly trying to do his best for the country. I know you hate to hear that, but he does.
I feel your pain because it was obvious in 1995 to thinking people that Blair and Brown were pure evil – why could nobody else see this? But saying so didn’t work and never defeated Blair.
Learn from the mistake. Start by writing off 2024 and 2029 – they’re lost. Stop trying to refight 2019 and think instead about what’s involved in denying the Tories a seventh term in 2034.
Yup. The Tories under Boris nailed the vaccine. In the end, that’s what people will remember, particularly as the EU starts serious recriminations on why they have failed so badly. Certainly, mistakes were made and sometimes worse than elsewhere (although the same things have been seen almost everywhere) but it was critical to nail the single most important thing of all, and they did.
I agree. I think the vaccine success was very much down to that ‘big picture’ approach of BJ. He had ‘testing’ and ‘vaccines’ in his head from very early on. It’s no coincidence that we now lead the world in both. Not that you would know that from the British media. The PM was focusing on the destination and not the journey. In the short term that has cost him and perhaps the country, but in the long term it will save him and perhaps the country.
the vaccine developed and created by two Turkish imagres to Germany and both Muslims and manufactured in Belgium…your welcome you mendacious son of a conservative.
Global Britain, Global Vaccine. Wonderful.
Global British Irrelevance and Decline.
Don’t try to be smart if you are ignorant!
heal thyself physician.
And still not used in those countries! Your argument is ridiculous – like claiming to win a war when all your military is stuck on the other side of the world.
Free to be! Thank goodness they landed in a country where they could thrive!
The media and the left are the same thing.
Unfortunately I largely agree. Things are changing though. The Andrew Neil station will soon to start. Social Media of course is becoming much bigger. The BBC could own the market for ‘factual based news’ if someone their was remotely interested in that. But they seem more intent in pursuing a moral crusade on behalf of the Left.
So let’s all forget about the croneyism and the blatant lies. Let’s all forget about the awarding of PPE contracts etc to Boris’s chums. Let’s all forget about the mismanagement of the coronavirus crisis. Let’s all forget about the years and years of austerity that has brought needless misery to oh so many people. Decent hard working families are now seeing their savings diminish. Pensioners are struggling and yes I include a great number who thought their additional private pension would provide a buttress to poverty but now see that they were mistaken. Great Britain has slipped from 1st to 15th in that respect in such a short time.
Don’t get me wrong I’m not a great lover of the EU but I am a great admirer of Jacinda Ardern of New Zealand – 25 deaths in total. New Zealand was once divided into two – the North Island was traditionally a lot more left leaning while the South Island was traditionally conservative. No more – now the whole nation is swathed in red. Why, because she had the guts to make the hard call. The integrity to govern for all the country, not just for the chosen few or the so called elites who are dressing up eugenics in red white and blue.
I give it three months and all who are regarding Boris as some kind of saviour will be demanding his resignation.
You make many good points, but we have been governed by crooked incompetents for at at least 30 years. Perhaps, not the EU issues appears to have been settle, we can focus on getting our own house properly in order.
In what respect exactly?
Good grief. The notion that Boris Johnson’s main objective during the midst of the biggest national disaster since the second world war, was to hand out cash to his friends is absurd. It’s so absurd it undermines the credibility of anyone who makes the accusation. You must know that?
The urgency of the crisis at the start of the year was so great, that only a fool would of expected NHS staff to go without PPE whilst we did a ‘competitive tender’. Or delayed orders whilst we completed the necessary paperwork. We know what the headlines would of been if they had gone out to full tender “NHS staff die whilst Tories try to save cash!”
In terms of austerity, there was no austerity. Public spending did not reduce in any meaningful sense, in real terms, in hardly any year post the financial crisis. It certainly did not reduce for the NHS, that even before COVID was receiving more funding in real terms than any period in its history. Indeed it was receiving more funding than Corbyn promised in the 2017 election. In terms of living standards, disposable incomes were at a record high prior to COVID. This was particularly the case for pensioners. Absolute poverty was at a record low. Income inequality was lower than when the Tories took office in 2010 and at about the EU / OECD average.
Jacinda Ardern is a woke PM extraordinaire. NZ’s economy is destroyed and will be until they reopen their borders (at which point they will get COVID infections). Australia and NZ locked down at the sametime as the UK. They got lucky insofar as they were not infected at that point. The UK was already heavily infected, there was no way to of known that. We also have higher population density and lower vit D levels (research suggests both, particularly the later, increase infection and death rates).
BJ was elected in a landslide victory with 43.7% of the popular vote, and even now polling at 40% (arguably within the margin of error). And this despite the media and the Left literally accusing him of genocide, criminal incompetence and corruption.
People are no longer listening to the hysterical moral outrage you guys pump out, whether its on racism, poverty, our evil national history, COVID or the PM. It’s just vile nonsense and has no bearing on reality, as my reference to the real facts above demonstrate. I am happy to provide citations from the ONS for all the facts I have referenced.
Well future history books will prove who’s right and who’s wrong
As Churchill said, “History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it” . Perhaps Boris ‘the author’ will do the same.
Spot on. My lifelong distrust of Etonian born-leaders went on hold when he was appointed, I held my breath and hoped he wouldn’t run true to type and, wow! he didn’t. 2021 is already looking a lot better…
I always enjoy a Goodwin article. This is wonderful.
The observation that (apolitical) people do not vote for people that loathe their own country is such a fundamental truth that I wonder why it needs to be said. But clearly it does.
Vitreol and grievance sell, but only sparingly.
(In a healthy society, at least.)
“Vitreol and grievance sell, but only sparingly.”
you and yours need to take your own adivce…
“The observation that people do not vote for people that loathe their own country…”
have no fear you and yours will soon enough be able to love the solitary state of England and salute the St. George’s flag with fascist salute.
Will not happen. This deal is bad news for the nationalists. Much love nevertheless, from someone actually in Scotland. I laugh at your tired fascist trope. You have lost totally now and your grief is less than you deserve for your total disrespect for the democratic system.
said the tired fascists living out the trope.
when Northern Ireland and Scotland’s electorate vote for independence we will see who has “…total disrespect for the democratic system.”
you don’t even know what the deal consist of and your false bravod speaks volumns as to what you fear it entails.
“have no fear you and yours will soon enough be able to love the solitary state of England and salute the St. George’s flag with fascist salute.”
Good grief. That’s quite a leap of logic and sense.
People do not, in the majority, vote for people who loath their own country. The last election result in the UK shows this.
indeed…Northern Ireland and Scotland resoundingly told England to get stuffed.
I don’t know. USA has always been Flag Waving Patriotic, that is now just slightly the majority. I would say the Biden/Harris win shows the self hating group is increasing yearly at a fast pace. UK has never been Flag Waving in modern times, and is full of self loathers. I would challenge Frasier and say the mass will soon only vote for people who loath their country. Blair hated the English man so much he set out to have him replaced, and in London replacement is at over 50%.
I voted for the Referendum Party in 1997 – this has been a long wait. It’s been a terrible year, but I’ll be raising a glass of good cheer to Boris, Lord Frost, Nigel Farage, Daniel Hannan and Dominic Cummings tomorrow.
May they all be subjected to the justice of The Mikado: ‘something lingering, with boiling lead in it …’
For the Crime of delivering what the people voted for?
The wrong people, apparently. Or perhaps the stupid people. Remoaners resort to name-calling as a badge of dishonour, it seems.
Name-calling – the politics of the play-ground. They have no arguments worth the paper, so resort to name-calling, sneering, jeering and ridicule. It doesn’t work – Hillary didn’t collect votes by calling those who didn’t vote for her ‘deplorables’. But they never learn that lesson.
Long may it continue, Valerie.
In the 80s, I doubt if even The Lady could have won her three huge majorities without the aid of the loony left. Boris will likewise gain electorally from the loony intolerance of the woke, who are a widely and deeply disliked deranged fringe in much the same way.
The Conservative campaign slogans practically write themselves.
And it’s boiling oil anyway
Ah the champagne tasted good last night ! To see the idiotic BBC ‘sprouts’ floundering and gobsmacked by Boris achieving the unbelievable – these were the same idiots last week siding with the north of the border scot -1st minister crankey on her idiotic suggestion that the UK should make a further extension to the Brexit timetable. Not only has Boris got the job done – he has saved the UK taxpayer Billions in not having to extend the deadline. Now we have our independence back- its time to start weeding out all the marxist guardian reading idiots from society and opposition government.
“Now we have our independence back- its time to start weeding out all the marxist guardian reading idiots from society and opposition government”
How are you going to do that? Shut down Guardian?!
Make creative industries “conservative”?!
The Guardian will shut down itself- it can barely break even now – not surprising with the woke staff
it is a non-profit…donations continue to pour in.
Dry your eyes and shut up.
I’m flattered Jim…you’ve come all this way to reveal that you are a conservative snowflake just for me…so sad to see yet another puveryor of ad hominem.
That’s a hoot coming from you.
It is certainly non-profit, in the sense that it doesn’t make a profit. As for the donations, they were obviously insufficient to prevent the culling of approximately 20% of the Guardian’s UK staff a few months ago. And I write as one who was still buying the actual physical Guardian newspaper until about 10 years ago.
When I was at (grammar) school our English teacher advised us to ask our parents to buy the Manchester Guardian daily, as this would show us perfect English and only true stories. Poor “Slasher” Smith, turning in his grave now….
They sold off the profitable Auto Trader to fund the loss-making Guardian and Observer but that could only be done once; and because the online Graun is not behind a paywall they have to resort to begging for ‘donations. Insolvency beckons.
It may take a while but once the social services and teacher supplement ads went online the writing was on the wall. Business wise they’re just thrashing around like all old media to try and find a viable business model…in UK *journalism* (asterisks because there are so many new forms of journalism that it’s becoming an empty label..but hear meaning what most people think of as *traditional* media) the Mail have a machine that might carry them to really , properly viable and stable model, but video is a key item and they haven’t properly got that, the News UK have print/brands (Sun Times) have started an upmarket talk radio station, and have the Taklsport and Talkradio BBC attackers,but are still light on video.
Guardian is too wordy but has a place near the New York Times as a wokey (they’d say progressive) place but weak on video…. and all media is heading to a singularity based around video where brands will battle it out.
Amazon buying the Washington Post is possibly the way it will go with Newspapers becoming trophy prizes for Big Tech, that owns acerage in the social media and other digital spaces…
It is a really tough environment as Vice, Huff Post and Buzzfeed have found even with no legacy interests to keep bearing in mind.
The biggest problem for the Guardian is that the Internet seems to love monopolies and in a global battle for the *so woke they’re mad* demographic the New York Times seems to have all the weapons it needs.
The state of flux in media is shown by the intersting (which usually means not at all interesting) fact that some of the largest rtraditional media sites, in local newspapers are little more than proxies for a legacy hold on the local football team coverage…the largest threat to the provincial press right now is an outfit called the Athletic, which is VC funded and looks like it’s business plan is to do to spor what getty Images did to the photographic coverage of sport..and own the space…if they succeed you will see enormous and possibly asteroid sized extinction event effects amongst the local papers, and nationals.
It is certainly *interesting timnes in the media* and you are right to point out the Guardian is burning through the cash pile from it’s definitely not-woke, but massively successful in the 2nd hand car mags…and right to say they can’t sell again what they already sold.
It always amused me the Guardian/Observer was only saved by selling a magazine/website that was very popular with the people the Guardian hates the most. Namely, white working class men.
I actually “subscribe” (donate) to the Guardian. I was under the impression that their business model was working for them?
I recently read someone complain that the consequence has been that they’re now catering to the _US_ woke segment
Well a few months ago they made approximately 20%of their UK staff redundant. This followed cuts in previous years. They have, of course, been catering to the woke segment before woke was even a thing.
A couple of days ago, one of the podcasters I follow highlighted a Guardian story complaining about the success of podcasters and their ‘misinformation’ and ”lack of context’ etc, as if the Guardian didn’t contain more misinformation and lack of context than virtually any other publication on the planet.
Believe me, they are worried.
Also they have essentially stopped BTL commenting on articles as the few true believers left could not sustain the practice.
Boris did achieve something extraordinary. We are still in the free market, but with extra paperwork and costs for UK business… And a large percentage of the population have been sold this as a victory winning back a sovereignty we never lost.
The UK had the best of both worlds, in the EU but with our own currency, and strong influence. We abandoned a position of strength for a chimera of nationalism and exceptionalism. And roughly 50% of the country are delighted with it. Quite a trick!
‘but with extra paperwork and costs for UK business’ I own a business which exports. Currently I have three processes for managing orders, UK, EU, rest of the world. Now I will only have two, UK and rest of the world. Actually it is a reduction in processes. In any case we had to get the electronic processing of Customs data working two years ago to be ready for this, so any changes are already in place.
My expectation is ‘rest of the world’ is more complex that ‘EU before brexit’ so a % has moved from a simple process into a more complex one. Plus, there is also a new NI category.
Despite not being a heavy drinker, I must confess to having downed an entire bottle of champagne yesterday.
Just the one?
It’s only the end of the beginning.
hold that thought and get back to us in five years.
Likewise.
Great article…straightforward, sober language and spot on.
Some analyses of politics go down rabbit holes every bit as deep and labyrinthe as conspiracy theorists ever do.
I completely agree that it wasn’t Brexit ambiguity, anti-semitism or failure to articulate sufficently socialist policies that did for Corbynism. It was the combination of not just failing to recognise the core vote crowded at the back of the hall (behind the various noisy identity wars groups waving placards at the front) it was when they did see them and recognise them, Labour didn’t like them.
If things need a ‘moment’ that Thornberry white van man tweet was that moment.
The outriders like Novara Media, Owen Jones, and any passing BLM with a line in marxist patter didn’t help…but it was the overall atmosphere of *anyone but Britain*.
Sir Keir is making noises that he actually realises this, but he has a ton of work to do to even scratch the surface.
Labour disappeared in Scotland because instead of any clear active policy it relied on waving Thatcher’s shround, with *Evil Toarries* inked across it…once the SNP pinched that (when the hard left voluble crew decided infiltrating the nationalists and trying to get power in a smaller country might work where endless attempt to infiltrate Labour and do it in the larger have failed)…once it was gone Labour had nothing.
Once people make that first vote, they can be won back…but they won’t drift back.
Anyway… Johnson may just be either the most lucky general that ever worked the earth, or he has some crazy superpower to tap into stuff (and in people like Mr Cummings, recognise it when he sees it) that other politicians can’t get near intellectually.
Either way he’s got a hell of a wind..and if by May (let alone March) people are revelling in family days out *like we used to enjoy* he could already be sailing virtually unstoppably towards a second win just 8 months after his Slough of Despond.
And if Remainers, who vainly hoped the EU would rain on his parade, hope Nicola Sturgeon will vicarously make them winners I fear they may be disappointed.
Nicola has hidden the Inde issue inside Brexit for a reason..and now Brexit is clearing the focus on Inde will be relentless…in the last two months the UK govt social media effort is already unrecognognisable from the ones under Cameron and May.
A million vaccinated in an independent UK and not one jab yet in the old EU.
At what point do we consider a humanitarian intervention for this failed state?
Not a minute had passed since the news than someone shouted, Scotland has been shafted!”
I wonder who that was…
Possibly an anally retentive Jockroach.
“jockroach”? I’m going to start using that…
Liberty or death!
(Shame about the fish, and the fishermen).
(Life isn’t perfect – but how can we help them?).
Let’s hope, as good Europeans, that this speeds the collapse of the (so called) ‘EU’,
and once again, we British help save the Continentals from Tyranny.
Who is next?
This whole amazing escape from the latest attempt for one power to control all of Europe is down to one man Nigel Farage – Without him there would have been no promise of the Referendum and without him no keeping of that promise and without his Brexit Party no escape from May and Ollie’s BRINO and no Boris who has defied the elites that surround him and actually delivered what the British people requested with 17 million ‘F’ offs to Brussels and it’s apparatchiks and especially its ‘Judicial Imperialism’ via the ECJ – Excellent, well done Nigel Farage whose character will feature in so many future movies depicting this ‘Shakespearian’ plot with all its cliff hangers and ironies and distinctive characters scattered throughout.
Farage is, as you say, the hero of this saga. More or less single handed, he extricated the UK from the tyranny of the EU. He did so in the face of enormous opposition and ridicule from our repulsive establishment, and he did so peacefully. How often has a country extricated itself from an empire without a single death?
There’s a good case for him getting the fourth plinth in Trafalgar Square, under the gaze of Nelson, the last man to do as much as he has to thwart a French-led European empire.
Viewed from afar (Australia), Brexit seems to me to hold out the opportunity to set your own course, and to be as good or as great as you wish, or can be. We have a strong economy and a pride in our achievements, and we are an independent nation; the people of Britain can be stronger still. Take the exit for what it is and make the best of it. You really can do it!
(And stop back-biting each other; you’re way better than that.)
Maybe you’re right, got to look at the small print, but it looks like the EU haven’t left us bruised and bleeding in the gutter as I had thought would be the case. Covid has done and will continue to do immense economic damage, whether it would ever have been possible to level up the Red Wall is problematic, but with £2 trillion public debt?
Don’t worry with MMT it will be a doddle.
Jeremy Smith, our expert Money Lender will, I’m sure be only too delighted to explain it to us.
UK will print money and GBP will go down. Inflation will be higher than wage growth and the population will be slowly impoverished.
That is all you (anyone) really need to know.
Or so you hope.
We must be punished for our impertinence!
No, that is what has ACTUALLY happened since the 2007/8 crash. Look at the numbers – public info.
You are a Leaver snowflake. Feelings over facts!
Dear Jeremy,
Your feelings are clearer than your facts I’m afraid. What characterises a snowflake leaver?
Clearly what happened after the crash must be seen relative to what happened elsewhere.
You despise Boris but where are facts about his lazyiness or is it just your impression – how many hours does he put into his job do you think? As to his immorality, what about John Major or Lloyd George who have received much less bile? And which lies are you referring to (most politicians attempt to mislead to some degree)?
Personal attacks are pointless. It would be more helpful to give us some of the facts you allude to but don’t specify.
I wasn’t aware that I (or anyone else) was supposed to argue about Lloyd George – i was talking about BoJo. And (based on your comment) he is immoral. Pointing out Lloyd George is utterly pointless.
BoJo in the last 15 months argue against the Irish (part) of the deal only to betray DUP/NI in less than 3 months. Please, please explain that to me as a “misleading” argument.
He just argued that the WA was not “optimal” and tried to break international law. The same deal that he sold to the public as the “own ready deal”…How is that “to some degree” misleading?
And you, Jerry, are a very naughty boy being rude to guests here. Off to bed with you.
How sad!
So Jeremy, I presume you and your family will be packing their bags and departing this “green and pleasant land” and heading off to the ‘Big Bagel’ and the land of Mr Joe Biden?
Let us all hope that people like him do just that and give us all a break.
My salary is in GPB. my bonus is in EUR. As of now I am FX covered in relation to GBP. During my Investment Banking days (1998-2011) I was paid in USD.
Worst thing, I will have to move to Lux.
Ah! I missed that in my previous post.
Luxembourg really?
Won’t you miss the warm beer, the sunless skies, the obsession with dogs, the sense of history radiating from the very ground, even the dry sense of humour? This is still a” sceptered isle, a fortress built by nature for herself against infection and the hand of war”. Also a haven from “the envy of less happier lands”.
After a manic Christmas of dogs , feral grandchildren, copious amounts of food and gargantuan amounts of the elixir of life, and having seen most the world, there is, believe me no finer place to live, than England/Arcadia!
QED?
we have 8 people (full time) doing asset management, investor relationship and accounting for the fund. As of now I work in London, my wife prefers Paris but we have no operations in France.
So will see…
“…believe me no finer place to live, than England/Arcadia!”
California is pretty amazing, you can hit the beach and skiing. You can have bears & cougars (cat and women) as neighbors.
“bears & cougars (cat and woman) as
neighbours”.
Shouldn’t that be the other way round, woman and cats?
Your wife is certainly correct about Paris, which still retains much of its medieval glory, despite Haussmann and others. A pity that Luxembourg is about 180 miles to the North East.
I think California translates as ‘hot oven’, which rather prejudiced me against it. As to skiing I prefer to stay in a village that has been there for over a thousand years, despite the fact everyone, is everyone else’s cousin. Still thanks to iodine, Goitre is a now distant memory. Still each to his own as they say.
This sums it up for me. Grandkids not entirely feral though
It might have helped had I had a PhD in Train Set construction!
Now, when and how often have we had predictions before? Now Jerry Smith adds his name to the legion of latter day Nostradarmuses.
It is not a prediction you fool. Again, check out my comment and look at the stats:
-GBP vs major currencies (EUR, USD) since 2007/8.
-Inflation growth vs, wage growth since 2007/8
I assume you will regard the Centre for Economics and Business Research prediction of us having an economy 23%larger than that of France by 2035 and remaining the 5th largest economy – Telegraph 26th Dec, with same contempt as others have regarded the doom and gloom forecasts that have not materialised.
Printing money has been accelerated due to the debt created by the response to Covid not Brexit.
We would have been expected to pay £80+ billion into the Next EU budget
I have not read the study and I do not know what the future holds. Since UK has similar population to France (and GDP per capita) the only way for the projection to come true is
a) faster UK population growth through migration – how popular is that?
b) UK labour productivity matches Germany. And that has not happened for 150 years – so it is not going to happen
But, of course, I could be wrong.
No, you miss the more likely, France declines relative to UK.
And house prices and to some extent share prices will rise as all that extra cash translates into asset inflation. It’s happening already.
It’s not like the EU didn’t try to leave the UK bruised and bleeding in the gutter. But in fairness, they were trying to send a warning shot across the bow of any other country that gets independent ideas. The UK stood firm. The reality was that the EU needs trade with the UK just as much as the UK needs trade with the EU. The EU did blink. I hope that UK citizens will begin to believe in themselves again.
It was UK that asked for preferential treatment.
As is our historic privilege.
No, the UK simply wanted to control its own destiny. And that isn’t the EU way.
Re your last sentence: not least because our team under Frost was highly competent, tough and focused. They surprised Barnier et al after the May/Robbins debacle (who can forget the fly on the wall documentary where EU officials were laughing at May’s negotiating team and by extension, Brits?). It was believed we no longer had skills comparable with the almighty EU negotiating machine. Frost’s team restored respect and self-respect.
I remember the documentary well.
When it dawned on me that it had been out for some time – and none of the MSM had criticised the appallingly arrogant attitudes on display – I realised that the only honourable action for the U.K. to take was to wipe the grins off their smug little faces.
…. and we did 😎
The number of sneering Irish voices angered me the most … but obviously judge for yourselves – BBC4 – Storyville
Considering the recent closure of Dover was costing them an estimated 50 million euros per diem, one would have thought a soupcon of humility would be appropriate.
Negotiating skills surely mattered tremendously but the biggest factor by far was standing firm and believing in the rightness of the UK position for the UK. You never got the impression that May shared that belief and the EU sensed weakness.
Hail Caesar! Nunc est bibendum!
Boris Johnson has closed one chapter of the civil war within the Conservative Party, the next chapter of post-Brexit infighting will be on a field of progressive disintegration and will have far deeper ramifications for the British people.
An excellent article and I am pleasantly surprised that Johnson held firm and achieved a deal that didn’t sacrifice sovereignty.
However, I’m worried that Boris and his government lack the economics know how to make the best of Brexit. He willingly sacrificed the treasury and British business in a series of lockdowns that have left the government in debt and the economy in ruins. He sees the “leveling up” agenda as an exercise in still more government spending through projects like HS2, rather than cutting taxes and regulations to encourage business growth. He has most recently taken a hard line on carbon emissions promising to ban petrol cars and gas boilers. Then there’s the Chancellor, Rishi Sunak, who is itching to raise taxes despite the economic shambles left from the past year.
If Boris Johnson doesn’t take a sharp U turn and adopt a high growth, free market based agenda, then the legacy of his premiership will be one of missed opportunities and economic failure.
Yes, Boris and Rushi need to get back to the basics: supporting jobs in manufacturing and high-end engineering, educating our kids, making it harder for non-skilled outsiders to show up in UK and get state benefits, getting people back to offices to prevent the destruction of city centres. This is the stuff the voters want
Indeed. We should develop vocational education programmes. Not everyone needs a university degree – especially when universities preach so much ‘woke’ nonsense. Kids often come out of a three year degree course more narrow minded, brainwashed and stupid than they were when they went in. I sometimes wonder if this wasn’t Tony Blair’s intention…..
As I have said before, we need a ‘levelling down’ in the form of dramatic reduction of business rates, taxes, regulations and the activities of the state.
I am from a rather large group of people who when I was young voted to join the European Community so we could trade freely within Europe and forty three years later voted to leave the European Union. I wonder when looking at the agreement struck on christmas eve whether it wasn’t a million miles away from what we voted for 43 years ago or more precisely what we thought we were voting for. That is a question rather than a statement. That my generation has changed its mind based on experience was I think over looked by Cameron. When he came back from Brussels we really understood what he came back with and were not surprised.
The debate has been long and arduous and several matters have become clearer to me during these four years.
1) I have never understood why services, money and goods wasn’t enough. Whys is absolute freedom of movement of people necessary to generate an environment of frictionless trade.
2) Far to little of the debate placed Europe under the microscope and to what extent it is a successful institution. Interesting when you look at Europe as a trading partner from other parts of the world the critique I have heard is it is intransigent and hides behind matters of compliance and standards wanting to intervene in the mechanism of production not just the outcome, that sound awfully familiar.
One unexpected consequence of the result is to show up the schism between the metropolitan media and England. Even last December they just did not get what was going to happen in the General Election.
Finally I am intrigued by how close we came to joining the Euro ‘what larks’ that would have been. A matter which those who would have been affected are curiously silent on as they vote L.D.
I don’t expect in ten years we will be better or worse off financially that was the view of the Capital Economics Assessment for briefing the fund management industry in 2016.
The question now is does this galvanise us and send us onwards once the protein has withered on the vine or we have had the jab.
Well said, I think!
Those of us who dislike the radical edge of the new cultural conservatism and still admire and appreciate the EU have some deep thinking and learning to do.
This article is certainly food for thought.
Excellent analysis.
Throughout this year, through all the balls-ups, so long as he delivered on Brexit, Johnson had my vote. The litmus test for ‘delivering’ was fishing. The fishermen are not happy but it seems there is enough of a pathway to claim the return of our waters admittedly in five and a half years and prepare for it for which government money is being made available. If so, then Johnson has his second term, perhaps even a third based paradoxically and ironically on his internationalism and determination for this country to look out not in and be open to the world.
As long as he continues to understand the instincts of those who put him in power, as expressed in this article, he could go on and on and on.
I was a lifelong Labour voter until Corbyn appeared on scene in 2015. No way was I voting for a Labour Party led by a throwback to the 1970s, a friend of every terrorist anti British group going and an apologist for Antisemitism. I was a Leave voter in 2016 because of dislike of EU, its fig leaf democracy and very unhappy with loss of accountability. I voted for May and Conservatives in 2017 for first time . I voted for Brexit Party in European elections to send a clear message to get Brexit done. I happily voted for Johnson in 2019.. and lending my vote to him has been proved correct.
Under his leadership the U.K. left EU last January and he has now delivered a comprehensive FT deal with EU. Am very relieved and pleased we have a PM who believes in Britain and its exciting future in the wider world. Well done Boris and Lord Foster. Out and Into the world. ðŸ‘ðŸ‘ðŸ‘
It is remarkable what Boris Johnson has achieved. The lazy commentariat (and their middle class friends who don’t like democratic votes when the result is wrong) had Brexit down as unworkable and immoral. Yet the end result is a fantastic opportunity now for Northern Ireland. It retains its access to European markets and has a high quality mix of labour force, public utilities and infrastructure. If there is one area which stands to gain it’s there.
NI is now a large free-port in the UK and that is likely to give it economic advantages over the rest of the UK. It is an interesting experiment and may actually mean staying separate from the Republic and the UK is it’s best strategy.
Britons were simply sick of being ruled by Brussels, the hand puppet of Germany, and having their own court’s rulings overruled. Don’t even mention so called human rights!
So, the Great Brexit Trade Deal is done. Although it will days before we understand exactly what we will be signed up to, it is done as promised and we will be committed to it for the next four years at least. Boris Johnson has justified his tenure of 10 Downing Street thus far.
Now it is time to attack this Covid plandemic which is a thinly disguised cover for The Great Reset, or Greta Reset, which is being driven by Davos man. It has been many years in preparation and while Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates, George Soros and their ilk may not have engineered the virus they have certainly rushed to take advantage of it with a well-oiled strategy which was given a run-through at Event 201 in October 2019. Allied to this is the attack on our history, culture and public spaces and institutions in which Johnson has been far too weak in his responses. This now must change.
However, it seems that Boris Johnson has unfortunately climbed on board as have a number of his senior ministers. Build Back Better, they say. We have the planned wind and solar farms which are an ecological disaster, the petrol-and-diesel car ban in 2030, the gas boiler ban and no doubt many other ‘green’ policy initiatives which will not make our lives richer, more free or more comfortable. They will do the opposite. ~ as they are intended to do. Anyone who doubts this need only read The Great Reset by Schwab and Malleret and Technocracy – The Hard Road to World Order by Patrick M Wood.
They are not even hiding their intent. We are on the Road to Serfdom – unless we rise to stop it.
Let battle commence- our futures and those of our children and grand-children depend on it.
With Brexit now done I am convinced this will be the next big battle. If Reform UK make this the main plank of their program and point out to the majority just what is in store for them (no cars and being unable to afford the energy to heat their homes to mention just two things) then we shall, I hope, see another major victory by the people over the establishment. In order to remain in power the Conservatives will be forced into a massive u-turn on what Cameron called “the green crap”, which will relieve the party of the remaining Tories who are Lib Dems in disguise. Plus, knowing for sure the line that the BBC will take, I am thinking how much fun it will be to watch its continued decline and eventual demise.
The weird thing is about the people referred to here as declinists is that they clearly loathe Britain and enjoy seeing it suffer…but then still want to be a part of it. I have many friends here in Austria who are ardent Remoaners, sorry, Remainers and clearly can’t stand their own country. They’d absolutely be able to take up Austrian citizenship, which entails renouncing British citizenship. And yet they hesitate. Why, if you hate Britain so much?
Let’s not give Boris all the credit.
I’d like to take the opportunity to thank David Cameron – without whose ineptitude and colossal sense of self-regard – we would not have left the EU.
It is Xmas after all …
And while we’re about it, we should also offer thanks to Jacques Delors, Angela Merkel, Hermann von Rompuy, Guy Verhofstadt, the drunkard from Luxembourg (can’t remember his name) and others too numerous to mention. Had they not been such openly unpleasant and anti-democratic actors, the UK would still be in the EU.
Jean-Claude Juncker ðŸ·ðŸ·
We should also add the nasty and supercilious Lord Adonis to the list. He was on Talk Radio this morning, lying non-stop as always.
As a long time remainer but a much stronger believer in democracy I found this article refreshing and earthed in reality. I was surprised that it was a university professor who wrote this as I had come to assume few universities supported the Democratic will of the people. I had always assumed we would have a deal, which is ok, because when you remove services from our balance of payments to the EU a deal was absolutely essential to a very small number of influential countries in the EU e.g. 60% of all pork eaten in this country comes from holland and Germany (who could learn a lot about animal welfare from us) we are also the second biggest importer of wine in the world at around £4 billion with nearly 50% coming from Italy and France. The question for us all now is will Boris use the freedoms he has fought so hard for. His agricultural strategy is an appalling start for a country who imports over 50% of its food, much from the northern hemisphere, meaning we could produce it ourselves. If we produced 80% of what we consume we would get close to eradicating our balance of payments deficit. The London view that food comes from supermarkets still prevails in Westminster. Come on Boris now start thinking about making and producing ourselves.
Matthew Goodwin is one of the very few university professors possessed of any integrity, perspective or intelligence.
Prof Goodwin, I will leave the politics to you but let’s focus on the trade deal itself. In any UK trade deal these are the questions to ask:
1. Where did the UK begin and where did it end up?
2. Have we added extra cash in the pockets of UK citizens?
3. Are they better off now than they were before?
4. Did the UK come out ahead?
Based on these questions, there is already is one winner: the EU. It has walked away with 90% of the deal.
Above all else, the relationship between the UK and the EU is about trade. Trade in goods and trade in services. Yes, I know Prof Goodwin, you wish to talk about the multiple other aspects to the relationship including politics, sovereignty, democratic accountability, and they are important but, at heart, a trade deal is about business.
As I see it:
a) The EU has an €90bn food and manufacturing trade surplus with the UK. The EU sells more to the UK than the UK does to the EU. The EU has secured a tariff/quote-free trade deal with the UK. The EU will continue to sell more to UK than the UK does to the EU.
b The UK has a €20bn services surplus with the EU. The UK sells more services to the EU than the EU does to the UK. The UK has failed to secure a deal on services with the EU. Inevitably, the sale of UK services to the EU will decline. For example, it is not clear if a UK based lawyer or consultant can go to a meeting in an EU country where they are paid by the client for advice without a work visa. The devil is always in the details.
c) The UK has ended freedom of movement which means EU citizens cannot freely move to the UK. Nor can UK citizens move freely to Europe. As a result, the UK will struggle to fill vital jobs across many sectors which European workers did until now. They will be reluctant to come back to the UK because of the new immigration points system and the declining value of the pound. The UK will continue to need immigrants. They just may be from somewhere else, other than Europe.
d) UK citizens will find it more irksome to travel to Europe, having to use the slower “Non-EU Citizens” lane at airports. Stays in Europe will be limited to 90 days in 180, meaning the many hundred of thousands who own holiday apartments and houses will find their time in Europe curtailed.
e) The continued free flow of personal data from the EU to the UK, on which a great many businesses are dependent, will be down to a unilateral “data adequacy” decision on the part of the EU. Yes, there is a grace period from January 1 of four to six months during which data can continue to flow freely, and businesses will be grateful for that, but long-term uncertainty still lingers.
On the UK plus side, over the next five to six years the UK will take back a greater share on the fish in its waters. Which means building up its fishing workforce. But where is the evidence of a pent-up demand on the part of young British people for a career at sea? If offered the chance how many young people would go back down coalmines? Not many, I suspect. Fishing, like mining, is one of those professions from the past now much romanticised but which young people, might walk away from when other life chances are on offer. If fishing is a Brexit “win” it’s not one the fishing organisations recognise. They are already crying betrayal.
As part of the EU’s Single Market and Customs Union the UK had free, frictionless, uncomplicated trade in goods and services with the EU. 16,000 trucks a day crossed between Dover and Calais with border checks taking mere seconds. That frictionless world is gone. The EU/UK deal is the first trade deal in history that creates barriers and paperwork rather than eliminate them. Barriers always come with a cost.
In one sense, Brexit will never be over. The relationship between the UK and the EU will be front and centre of UK politics for evermore. Every time the EU takes a step the UK will have to work out how to respond to that step. It will have no choice. The EU is the elephant in the UK’s back garden and you simply cannot ignore what the elephant does. Unless you want to get trampled on.
However, in one sense Brexit is finished. There is now an agreement in place between the UK and the EU, subject to it being approved by both parties. From here on, the EU will treat the UK as another “third country”. On January 1 next, in a few days’ time, the UK will have finally left the EU behind. The curtain will have come down on endless Brexit negotiations. For now.
But this deal does not close the door, nor does it bring negotiations between the UK and the EU to an end. In an interdependent relationship, negotiations never end. About ten pages of the UK-EU trade agreement are devoted to setting up, dozens and dozens of UK-EU talking shops committees, assemblies, working groups and so on. All with various powers and functions. Welcome to the future, Prof Goodwin, UK/EU negotiations without end.
Lots of good points, but worth noting that all 4 questions can’t really be answered unless you set a date i.e 2040 and then get a lot of “economic experts” to try and agree on the answer.
I sincerely hope that we all forget to do that ….
Even though I ultimately don’t agree with you, that’s an interesting and well-argued post & worth an upvote.
In my workplace about 1/3 of the professional staff are from EU countries, 1/3 British, and everyone else “foreign” (mostly from Commonwealth countries, but also a significant number from China). Many of the latter category studied in the UK at one of the Russell Group unis and then decided to settle. That’s also true for some but not all of my EU colleagues.
So I don’t see any coming shortage of talent in my field; any reduction of flow from Europe will be made up by people from the Commonwealth.
Certainly there will be a reduction in movement of unskilled workers – some of them people from poorer European countries lured to the UK with promises of work that turn out to be exploitative.
On the services front, we deal with some companies in the City and I haven’t noticed any drift to Europe. I think the New York-London axis will remain strong due to the common language, but could be wrong! There may be more of a tendency towards “airstrip one” where London is the European base for US firms but European firms may find it more convenient to be based on the Continent.
The size of the UK’s services industry has some negative impact on non-services businesses, e.g. the strength of the £ means that UK manufacturing is at a disadvantage, and property prices in and around London are distorted to a point where ordinary people have little chance to buy a home of their own. I’m not an economist so can’t venture an opinion on whether it would help or hinder the country as a whole if there was a slow-but-limited drift of financial services activity to the Continent.
Regarding passports, I don’t think that is a big issue – I’ve spent my life going through the non-EU-citizens queue and TBH the difference is marginal given all the other waiting around that one has to do in airports.
What his critics said he couldn’t deliver was the ability to trade within the EU without friction or requirement to observe of EU standards and regulations, and GDP growth.
What he “delivered” was a lack of any agreement on services (the majority of our trade by value), the continued obligation to observe EU standards and regulations or face tariffs, and a reduction in GDP (as forecasted by the government) of 4%.
His critics are correct.
Everybody has to observe EU standards and regulations, eg the USA, if it wants to sell into Europe. Remainers may perhaps have had some unrealistic expectations of the likely benefits of Brexit?
There has never really been a single market in services as opposed to goods, so I don’t think the lack of agreement in this respect will make any difference. The talented, greedy and ambitious from across Europe and across the world will still flock to London, which will continue to be a centre for financial and legal services, not to mention various forms of money laundering etc.
Of course, Thatcher did much to create the single market in the hope that the UK’s strong position in services would give it a big advantage. This didn’t play out because, for a variety of reasons, it proved difficult or impossible to sell most day to day legal and financial services etc across borders.
Essentially, nothing is gained and nothing is lost.
Without Britain inside to oppose it, there’s a strong chance the EU will now implement a transaction tax on financial services. This will send virtually their entire financial market out of the EU, and once gone, it won’t come back.
Britain’s financial industry is probably safer out of the EU than within it, where we’d have been powerless to prevent the EU inflicting such harm.
I wonder about that. The WTF, work from home, which Boris conjured up with his suicidal lockdowns may have more of an impact on that than can be believed. No TVs have been made in USA or UK or EU since the 1980s as it all offshored. Desk jobs will too, without the need for a work visa to get into the London office!
As I pointed out earlier on Unherd, by the EU’s own most recent measure of market integration by the ’28’ member states, the UK was the third least integrated for goods and the least integrated of all for services.
There will be no tariffs on services, but it’s a moot point as the EU never showed much interest in looking to promote a genuinely single market for services anyway, rather preferring to concentrate predominantly on goods, so your point rings pretty hollow I’m afraid.
Goods, which you may or may not have noticed, flowed rather merrily for decades to the EU’s third biggest market, the UK, and resulted in this country’s perpetual rather sizeable trade deficit with it meaning that it’s not in the EU’s immediate interest to kill this particular golden goose any time soon either.
As to your point about observing EU standards, every country which wishes to export into another ‘closed’ market theoretically has to meet its standards in order to do so.
In what way is President Trump an ideological zealot?
He is zealous in his opposition to insane wars, and in his support for working class Americans. The media and the deep state swamp is very much opposed to this form of zealotry.
A deal that huge and that complex couldn’t possibly be analyzed and declared a “victory” in twenty-four hours (and isn’t that zero-sum mentality just so typically British). Maybe it’s a “victory”. Maybe it’s a reasonable working compromise or maybe it’s an abject humiliation for the UK. Only time will tell, but eulogizing Boris Johnson for it is a bit previous.
It’s too early to be celebrating the deal. Let’s give it a year or two and see what the reality is. The trade deal always had to be celebrated by both sides … that’s politics. Let’s see how it all stacks up … once we’ve cleared the backlog on the M2 if we ever do.
As far as the election majority is concerned, there is no mention in this article about how the country totally rejected Corbynomics and the Lib Dems shooting themselves in the foot by totally rejecting the democratic vote of the people. There’s nothing there about how the electorate were sick to the back teeth with Brexit, and yes, they wanted it done and for the country to move on. The idea that we would be faced with yet more pointless Commons debate going back and forth was too much to stomach.
I applaud the triumph of Britains regaining the independence and freedom of running it’s own house again and moving out of the culturally suicidal left wing” condo “boards control of the EU . The British peoples election of a conservative govt showed a wise populace rejecting the truthless self hating tyrannical cultural marxist contagion intent on undemocratically inflicting its dysfunctional dogma on every free democracy in the west.
Now, to return free speech and liberate the schools and public institutions from the progressive tyranny and back to the owners..the British people.
I agree with this: ‘a more directly accountable democracy, a political system in which serious and meaningful opposition is allowed and a country in which people can seriously influence the decisions that are affecting their daily lives. None of these things were even mentioned as I sat through much of the media coverage of Johnson’s Brexit trade deal this week.’
It’s not really about how much fish Macron gets. The long game is regaining Control of our territorial waters, borders, laws- sovereignty. The EU will understand mutual respect is the way forward.
Sad. I thought this newish site was about escaping the herd-like thinking of our times.
This article reads like a love sonnet. Brexit was provoked – partly at least – by Johnson and a rather entitled clique within the Conservative party, for myriad reasons. It is done now. Nobody won, least of all the UK. The deal is better than no deal, but still a mediocre one. Our influence is diminished and respect for us as a neighbour and ally is at an all time low. Time for pragmatism, some serious bridge-building, and above all no more fibbing to us mere plebs.
Great article that is so to the point. It should be widely shared.
Boris victory adds up to helping a small group of well funded back bench tory elites take over the Conservative party. Methods used includes asking Rupert Murdoch to get on board and fund Nigel Farage. Taking advantage of the pain of austerity by blaming membership of the European Union. Employing a clown to give cheery edge, I think even Margaret Thatcher would turn in grave.
Johnson the part time Remainer and Brexiteer until he saw which way the Farage wind was blowing He has been indulged by those who call him by his first name and reduces politics to three word soundbites and bluster .He fly’s the flag for his own glory despite the on coming expense to the many..
Flies
Apostrophe catastrophe
I’ve pondered Boris’s continued popularity with many working class people. I think, for all his faults and bluster, he comes across as ‘real’ whereas Starmer and others of his ilk appear like automatons in grey suits. I think lots of us are sick to death of technocrats.
“For some Prime Ministers, their premierships are defined by one thing. Winston Churchill and the war, Anthony Eden and Suez, Tony Blair and Iraq, Gordon Brown and the financial crisis, David Cameron and that referendum. For Boris Johnson, it will be Brexit.”
and the Chinese Virus.
Probably puts Boris Johnson close to the top of all lists
“These voters are not idiots; they can all see Johnson’s mistakes, gaffes and amateurism, just like the rest of us. But they have ultimately stayed with him because of what he represents: restoring power to them.”
Added to which these voters have long held doubts about professional politicians, especially those inclining towards managerialism ot technocracy. Gifted amateurism has its advantages. For one thing it allows common sense to prevail.
Declinism may have dominated the Left but it was by no means exclusive to the Left. MacMillan saw the EU as a way for UK, having lost its empire, to maintain a role in the world’s affairs.
“Victory”? This view reminds me of the Spitting Image parody of Call My Bluff, with the word to define was “Secondplaceinabyelection”. The suggested definitions were all of course about how a loss was actually a win. The question is how long voters will continue to believe in this supposed victory as the reality begins to sink in. The EU member states seem delighted by this deal too. Let’s see who’s right.
You’d be a Remainer then.
I do wonder why anybody still listens to your ilk. It’s like hearing from David Icke.
What’s wrong with other states being delighted with the deal? Not a win-win kind of guy? But which states have actually made public comments? Are you confusing actual countries with the EU bureaucrats?
I’m not steeped in this debate but want to know what practical constitutional construct would give the British (or perhaps more specifically the English) people “a more directly accountable democracy, a political system in which serious and meaningful opposition is allowed and a country in which people can seriously influence the decisions that are affecting their daily lives”.
I can see that something like this is what’s needed but I don’t see anyone saying what the answer is. Regional government was rejected during the Labour years and PR during the coalition years; what’s the alternative the people would accept? These both had additional baggage and agendas but the debate never continued after those votes; why was that?
These questions are only answered by Brexit to a small extent. Why did the argument then morph into Brexit and not tackle the more local and fundamental constitutional need?
A simple single transferable vote would enable more voices to be heard. Your 1st vote for what you believe in, even if it might not win, your 2nd vote for the least bad idea that has a chance of winning.
We will then see the true will of the people, with a large dose of pragmatism.
I like that idea to improve representation, thanks. How about the devolution of power, subsidiarity, etc? Where/who to devolve power to without creating another layer of salaried politicians ? …and how much?
I am certainly in favour of as much subsidiarity as possible. As you suggest, this is difficult to achieve without creating more layers of politicians, although perhaps we simply need to give more power to some of the existing layers.
Perhaps we should think about how to make the system we already have work – it was never perfect but it used to be a whole lot better than it is now. How can we restore sanity to politics and society? Deploiticising science would be a good start. Understanding there are no perfect solutions, but striving to find more optimal ones through politicians who serve the people rather than their own self interested agendas. That probably means finding good people ho really don’t want to be politicians and encouraging them to do a stint.
I like the idea of 7 or 8 Regions, London, SW, SE, N, and Midlands for England (plus Scotland, Wales and NI). Each represented by approx 5 MP’s (total 40-50 based on population) to deal with national matters. Max 2x terms for any MP.
Also,
Replace House of Lords with a 60 person elected Senate with 9 Year single term Senators, with 20 of them elected every 3 years.
To run as a Senator you need a majority approval from MPs, and a petition of 100k citizens. exMP’s are not eligible.
Embedded in that post is the leftist’s touchingly naive belief that if the electoral system were changed, everyone would vote the same way as now, so the left would get in.
It’s ba11s.
Anyone who’s been awake for the last 50 years will have observed that the UK electorate’s priority has been to keep the left out. Aside from when Blair masqueraded as not being all that much of the left, they have been impressively successful in ensuring this.
Nonsense. A single transferrable vote would have seen far more UKIP votes as a 1st choice. and, for the same reasons, far more Green party votes.
It enables people to vote their beliefs even when their ‘belief candidate’ cannot win, regardless of what their politics are.
Despite the manner in which this article is framed, this is not primarily about Boris Johnson. Most assertions in this article are plainly false and the entire argument is very tendentious. For example, this narrative about the people asking for something that parliament was unwilling to give is completely untrue. The people did not ask for a referendum, the issue of Brexit was one that arose within the Eurosceptic wing of the Conservative Party. It is true that there is obviously a Eurosceptic core in the population, but this is not a majority of the population. Although a small majority of those voting supported “leave” (52%), this amounted only to 26.5% of the population and a clear minority of the electorate. Many did not vote because they believed “leave” would fail and some voted just to teach the government a lesson. From 2017 to the present opinion polls have shown a a consistent majority for “remain”, so the idea that the UK government is following a demand from the people is simply untrue. Moreover the referendum did not specify anything about future relations with the EU, so the idea that the people asked for the Brexit we have now is also without foundation. The article gets worse when it refers to the general election in 2019. The author must know that the anti-Corbyn vote was a key factor in the Tory success, but claims the election was a solid endorsement of Brexit. Moreover, the author must also know that although the election was decisively won, the total votes for the Tories were a minority of votes and therefore do not show that the majority endorsed Brexit, it shows exactly the opposite. Hard to believe that it gets even worse from there. Brexit and the Tories under Johnson are not building a more representative democracy, but one that is less so. In the UK the government does not properly represent the people, because it is always formed by a party that has received a minority of votes. The sovereignty of parliament means that the wishes of the minority triumph over everything else. The EU did limit sovereignty of parliament by requiring parliament to adhere to international commitments, and the European Humans Rights Convention prevented parliament from oppressing its own people. In other countries this is the role of a constitutional court, but the UK does not have a written constitution and therefore this function was carried out by the EU. Now Johnson is trying to abolish all legal restraints on parliament and this means that a party that was voted in by a minority of the people can do whatever the hell it wants. This is exactly the opposite of what the author claims about relations between parliament and the people. This may be an opportunity that the UK may become more democratic with Brexit, but the signs point in the opposite direction. If Johnson cared about the will of the people, he would extend the withdrawal period and hold a referendum on the brexit deal with the option to remain. But he doesn’t and he won’t.
The people who voted UKIP in the EU elections forced Cameron’s hand. We might as well have asked for the referendum, given that. Me? Well I’d been waiting 41 years for an opportunity address the lies we were told in 1975.
So who cares who asked/whatevered? Who cares? We got it and now we are out.
As for liberal democracy, it’s dying on its feet. Aided by appeasement of the woke fanatics and antisocial media.
Good while it lasted. Nothing lasts for ever.
‘It is true that there is obviously a Eurosceptic core in the population, but this is not a majority of the population. Although a small majority of those voting supported “leave” (52%), this amounted only to 26.5% of the population and a clear minority of the electorate. Many did not vote because they believed “leave” would fail and some voted just to teach the government a lesson.’
Priceless.
“26.5% of the population … supported leave?? True, but totally irrelevent.
It is not the population but the electorate we are interested in. Here are the facts:-
37.4% of the electorate, a sizable minority voted leave.
34.8% of the electorate, a sizable but smaller minority voted remain.
I’ll simplify …
A big box with 46,500,001 marbles in it, some black and some white, well shaken.
How many of each? Start sampling. After pulling out 33,551,983 marbles you have 17,413,479 black marbles and 16,138,504 white marbles.
“That’s enough” you say “I’m sampling no further, there are about 4% more black that white in the box”.
Now, although you only examined 72.2% of the box, any statistician will tell you that your conclusion was mathematically significant and highly reliable.
You’re missing the point. There weren’t any more marbles in the box. You are making the assumption that the missing marbles (those who didn’t vote) would offer the same percentage split as those who did vote. That too is statistically wrong. They might have been confused or uninterested and, psychologically, one could argue they would rather the referendum didn’t exist, this one may argue that this is an attitude which best represents the status quo, ie to remain.
The justification for ignoring completely the percentage who didn’t vote is a philisophical or point of principle, which is that if you choose not to vote, you cannot expect to be treated as someone with the right to influence the outcome of what is being voted for. The fair assumption must be that you either don’t care one way or the other or you’re too disinterested to make the effort to vote or you’re too stupid to understand the isssues behind what you’re voting for and therefore unentitled to vote (probably even less entitled than many people below the voter age limit).
If only we could apply those filters to a General Election, we’d end up with better quality MP’s!
There were 12,948,018 marbles still in the box to be sampled: they could all be black or all be white. No ‘assumptions’ are being made: no ‘justification for ignoring’ them exists: they are noted in the statistical sampling probability mathematics. You are implying that you ‘know’ what might be left in the box ……
Although a small majority of those voting supported “leave” (52%), this amounted only to 26.5% of the population and a clear minority of the electorate.
This reminds me of the arguments I heard at university from aggrieved lefties, that 56% of the electorate had “voted against Fatcha” and that with her 44% vote share she should not have a majority. I just pointed out that on that basis, 72% had “voted against” Labour and 74% had “voted against” the Alliance, so a truly huge plurality wanted them even less.
Likewise here. As those who voted Leave amounted to only 26.5% of the electorate, likewise those who voted Remain amounted to only 24.5% of the electorate, so an even smaller minority.
Many did not vote because they believed “leave” would fail and some voted just to teach the government a lesson.
And you just know this because each and every one of those 17-odd million voters has told you why they voted as they did.
This is just staggeringly arrogant, supercilious and arrant Remainer ba11s that shows you still don’t even remotely begin to understand why you lost.
The US needs Brexit. Biden/Harris/BLM ain’t it.
the verdict is in and Farage is rubbing his hands with glee….
‘Boris betrayed us!’ Britons furious as Brexit deal accused of fishing sell out
from the Express, PUBLISHED: 15:49, Sat, Dec 26, 2020 | UPDATED: 17:31, Sat, Dec 26, 2020
“Boris Betrayed us. The deal achieved is Brexit by name only. Conservatives are finished.
“We need a New Political party in the U.K. that is going to fight for Britain.”
“Yes, British Fishermen have been sold out AGAIN. So much for taking back control when it’s the EU that is dictating how much they will take and how much we will take.
“Boris has sold out our Fisherman, and he wont be ever forgiven for that come the next GE.”
“Boris never had any intention of keeping his red line promise on fishing and until the small print is scrutinized and approved Brexit is only a smokescreen for May’s BRINO.”
“It’s the common fisheries policy undisguised and unchanged. Some victory.”
“Bojo ain’t no Maggie! This dirty deal is BRINO not BREXIT!”
Mr Deas insisted the Prime Minister has “bottled it” over fishing rights as his deal has secured “a fraction of what the UK has a right to under international law”.
Troll alert!
listing out a load of selective unsubstantiated opinions is not very informative – especially when someone could extract a load of counters which are equally useless.
This type of content doesn’t add to anyone’s stock of facts ….
“…when someone could extract a load of counters…”where are these “counters” you imagine?
Boris Johnson has conceded that the Brexit trade deal “perhaps does not go as far as we would like” over access to EU markets for financial services, while insisting he had achieved an accord his critics said would be impossible.
In an interview with the Sunday Telegraph, the prime minister said he had defied accusations of “cake-ism” ““ seeking the impossible ““ in getting a trade deal that allowed divergence from EU standards.
It had been, Johnson said, billed as out of the question “that you could do free trade with the EU without being drawn into their regulatory or legislative orbit”.
You’re doing it again … and remember that the quotes you listed were about fishing ….
If you look at the actual agreement you will see we have total control over our waters in 5.5 years time, so total sovereignty ad infinitum from that point.
Infinity minus 5.5 is a rather a large number …..
(Unless of course you happen to have acquired an Infinite Improbability Drive which would certainly dilute my point somewhat )
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who are you trying to convince that this is a huuugggeee victory for Boris?
you need to convince some guy named Farage, not me or yourself.
You people in the UK make me wonder about the thoughts and ideas that go on inside your brains. Thankfully I left the UK when I was twenty five years old, (many years ago) and now after living in eight countries around the world have finally settled in Europe. So I look in from the outside as someone who still cares about what goes on in that “precious stone set in the silver sea”, and what I see is quite disheartening. The last election said it all, the choice between, Eton Fun Boy Toff who has no idea of the real world and an aged wannabe stuck in a radical student agenda well past his sell by date. So I agree, not much to pin the hopes and dreams of a country on. However the country decided for the Fun Boy Toff who cannot remember to comb his hair, (portent for the future, cannot remember to remember what he said yesterday). Back four years and the country listened to the Fun Boy Toff tell lie after lie covering the Brexit battle, and incredibly people believed him and his happy band of good British patriots led by chief Trump acolyte, good old boy Nigel and his Brexit party backers (shush don’t ask too many questions about where the backing money came from, that’s secret, not illegal though, hrmp, hrmp, hrmp.) Fast forward now to the triumph of the Boris Brexit. The Tory Fun Boy Toff at the head of the most dysfunctional government seen only in failed state dictatorships. (Think about the cabinet, not even losers, they are not even starters, whose only claim to anything other than useless incompetence is their round and round game of kissing Fun Boy’s ass, in between telling everybody how they back the Fun Boy to the hilt, his negotiating skills and genius knowing no bounds, kiss, kiss. Now unbelievably the accolades to the incredible deal made by the Fun Boy Toff, hailing him as the saviour of everything British, (for British read Tory Party). The gullibility of the people showed in 2016 is shockingly again on display. Are you for real? I have no answer to your predicament, you wonderful people for whom after all these years I still feel that feeling of belonging. But I just felt I had to comment and say how sorry I am for you. I am neither left nor right, just someone who watches and thinks and mourns a little for a country and a people who for whatever reason have just lost it, and to make things worse accept it.
The true prize of Brexit will be the end of 40 years of Thatcherism. A future Labour government, scarred by its election defeat of 2019 will never seek European re-integration or reach for the Blairite policies of the 90s, instead, it will instead create the national and economic security, community and sense of place that the British people really crave and which the conservatives have wrongly interpreted as a rejection of Europe rather than a rejection of globalisation. Boris and his court of incompetence will fail because they will pursue further liberalisation and globalisation which, coupled with their ineptitude won’t level up the economy. Furthermore, the British will soon see the yawning say-do gap, that promises are vacuous covers for lies, as the military have recently found out. When the Labour party rediscovers that it is a British political party, jettisoning the abysmal baggage of Britain hating Corbynism, and its declinist-remainer wing discover that being outside the EU sweeps away frustrating rules on state ownership, then a new chapter can begin. Take Back Control hasn’t run its course yet. Out with foreign control of British industry and crony rent seeking capitalism. Out with Abiello rail and back with British Railways and British Steel. Why not your own state industries to manufacture our needs during a global pandemic rather than the Chinese or a Belgium pharmaceuticals factory. It isn’t a question of nationalisation, there is nothing to nationalise, there is no family silver so it could start afresh. Blue labour and its remainers would rediscover their student idealism and recreate whole swathes of industry across Britain, based on Social Enterprise principles. What about the British Clothing Company, British Press, British Electric, the list is endless. Worried about the Tory’s reprivatizing it all? Take back control of all those PFI contracts bleeding money out of communities to city bankers, without compensation. That will keep the private sector out for decades. It will use the tools of socialism to bolster national security and create meaningful jobs for the struggling left behind places outside of the cities, a sense once more of place, a Britishness that touches many corners of life and drives back the spectres of separatism. Our own defence industries, naval dockyards and no more reliance on large US Multinationals, just as Labour did with Polaris in the 1960s allowing Britain to do more to defend ourselves for less. Expect British State Enterprises, community industry and British Labour to enter the political lexicon. Socialism as a means to an end rather than the end itself will be part of the coming renewal of Britian. Political ideas don’t happen to cultures, cultures happen to political ideas. Older Tories will conjure up images of curly sandwiches and anybody under 55 won’t have an idea what they are talking about. Afterall, the architects of Neo-liberalism are mostly dead. The future of the conservative party will be then be determined by how quickly they adjust to the new Zeitgeist. The struggle will be between how much they prize neo liberalism, not much I expect, or a resurgent Great Britain built on its own industries and institutions, transformed from corruption and cronyism capitalism. Judging by how quickly the conservatives adjusted to the new Britain created in the post war era by Atlee’s government in 45, very quickly so I suspect that the conservative party will be around for along time to come, the caretaker of a new pantheon of British institutions that at the moment it would consider completely inconceivable.
You don’t say.
In the prophetic words of the extraordinarily talented Douglas Adams there is only one thing left to say ……
“So long, and thanks for all the fish”
The whales got out just in time as well ðŸ‘
Watch out for the ‘build back better’ slogan. Nothing original here. Even Biden is plagiarized this ….. It’s scary trans national world economic forum dogma. Please let us not escape the shackles of Brussels for the chains of an anti-democratic new world order.
Now we’ve got out from under the thumb of the socialist protectionist bloc, we need to forge full steam ahead to make sure that in the coming years (if Labour ever become electable again) the remoamers who eulogise this failed bloc of the EU (who I hopefully get to see the death of) never get the opportunity to take us back in. And don’t be fooled, these zealots won’t stop, they will scurry like cockroaches ready to renew theirs (and ours) domination by this socialist cabal, be ever vigilant
This is a good article, and puts the case for Boris’s version of Brexit at its highest.
I may be a bit guilty of what the author calls “declinism” but I fear that in truth the U.K. will remain dominated by European rules and norms because its businesses will all prefer to conform to these as it costs less. Likewise British leaders will end up choosing to conform to EU decisions in all large security and foreign policy matters.
In effect, Botis’s Brexit is a con – the illusion of sovereignty. For that, we have given up the small say we had in determining EU policy.
What Boris has successfully done is not a real Brexit but an illusion that unseated Cameron and put Boris in office. The sad thing is that both Boris and everyone else have now realised that Boris is not fit for this demanding job and doesn’t like it.
A bit of a disaster all round really and history will not be kind.
Controlling immigration I hear you say? But… did our shiny new trade deal with Turkey not concede immigration quotas to them? I feel that sovereignty can be sooo overrated sometimes. Especially one that’s a mere fig leaf covering standard wealth creation schemes operated by the usual old boys… Anyway, I honestly tried to read this with open mind but gave up. If I do not speak for ‘The People’ when I say that quality of life (within sustainable bounds) and environmental welfare must be the highest priorities for any so-called government, and those within the realities of a global arena, then obviously to many of you here I am not ‘for the people’ and guilty of something that seems to be called ‘Marxist groupthink’ and possibly even ‘wokeness’. I really don’t know what the alternative objectives one would advocate for, unless it’s basically live and let die, devil take the hindmost. If wokeness means no to that then guilty as charged.
Sycophantic drivel.
I know it is an opinion piece but surely the author “forgot” to mention that Boris betrayed NI with his WA ?
I think you’ll find that his predecessor did that. Boris retrieved a bad situation not of his making. It’s called diplomacy.
No, WA (irish part) was done by Boris. Walking with the Irish PM in the park..and all that
You say”…the mask will slip and we will once again see the uglier side of declinism, namely that some people who claim to want the best for Britain actually do not like Britain at all.” Surely the Brexit referendum, with majorities for Remain in Scotland and Northern Ireland, and subsequent tortuous road towards the exit of Britain, and less so Northern Ireland, has exposed the question of what ‘Britain’ constitutionally and conceptually now is. I would suggest that it is perfectly possible for many Scots to want the the best for Britain while rejecting the kind of Britain that those riding the wave of populist English nationalism appear to be seeking.
What specifically are they rejecting?
I trust nothing that comes our of Johnson’s mouth – been shown to be a liar throughout 2020, backtracking at every opportunity. Multiple requests for transparency have been thrown to one side – no doubt he has sold out the UK and this “deal” will no doubt be another sham
A clever essay which trawls the morass of facts to dredge up a plausible argument that an abysmal compromise can be viewed as a triumph. Johnson’s survival has been on the back of a jumble of the many shortcomings of British institutions, and has little to do with British pragmatism.
Boris as sold the country out, we are worse off now than when we were in and ºI voted against that. We need a General election before any deal is signed. If you read all the clap trap I have spent hours reading you will see the I was going to say dangers , but its a complete give away no choice but todo every bloody thing brussels tells us
This love letter is a bit long. 50% voted for brexit in 2016. 50% voted to say just get on with it in 2019. It’s done. Fortunately we still have access to the free markets for goods but 100% of exporters have extra paperwork and therefore red tape costs. On services we are nowhere.
The deal was damage limitation on the self harm that is brexit.
The other 50% are delighted that it is over and the damage is limited. Now lets make the most of a potentially weaker position.
Hmmm – never a mention from the near 50% who lost to think to themselves. .. “over 50% are so unhappy with the status quo that they voted ‘Leave’ – this is ‘bad’.
Nope – We, the majority were not only ‘wrong’, we were uneducated, racist, xenophobic”
So much of all of the above, that 4 Million repeat 4 Million Europeans came here to live and work.
So ask yourselves: What number would ever be ‘too much’?
Answer: Who cares? – When I die I’ll leave millions in untaxed capital gains – Money ‘I worked hard for’ they state…except that it is screwing the lives up of our own working class who’s parents are not in the Ponzi scheme, screws up the Roads the Green spaces, everything..
And the Secure manufacturing jobs head East to the latest Iron Curtain relocated industries.
Long time coming….And your solution is Starmer…*titter*
Could you expand a bit on why Brexit is self harm?
I’ve heard it stated many times but never substantiated. I know there is an economic argument but it seems to me that it’s always about national GDP rather than GDP per capita.
… and we all know that the vast majority of benefits from increased GDP have always ended up in the pockets of those most likely to have voted Remain.
I’m confused. You are suggesting we shrink the economy to teach rich successful people a lesson?
If so you are right to support Brexit and, unlike many brexiteers you have a logical (but very unreasonable) rationale for your support.
Your words, not mine.
I was merely pointing out that uplifts in GDP often do very little for poor people.
You can easily increase GDP as a whole while decreasing wages e.g. increase the labour force while lowering average wages.
A reduction in GDP is self harm. It will have the same effect in total and per capita. The size of the population will not change.
The population is changing – migrant workers are being added to the economy all of the time.
The size of the population will change because Brexit will result in a reduction in immigration. Immigration was running at 0.35% in the most recent “normal” year – 2019. So if net immigration is reduced to zero but GDP per capita remains the same, that means after 10 years GDP is down 3.5%. I’ve made simplifying assumptions of a reduction of net immigration to zero (not at all likely) and compounding effect of the reduction in immigration. But most certainly a reduction in immigration will result in a reduction in GDP.
Secondly, what does a reduction in GDP per capita mean for people? Who is going to lose out? On one hand a reduced tax take, so potentially lower government spending on services. Maybe a weaker £, so tat from China becomes more expensive. Quite likely fewer high-paying professional jobs, because (a) these have a disproportionate contribution to GDP and (b) they are the most mobile jobs.
My gut feel is that Brexit isn’t going to hurt anyone who earns less than £25K per annum, because they never had much to start with.
It will likely harm professional people like me (for the reasons I’ve given above), but I am conscious just how privileged we are; why should I cling to my privilege when the majority who voted for Brexit are way less privileged?
If you have some info on how GDP is likely to change in different business sectors I’m interested to hear and discuss.
Wow! That’s a more generous response personally speaking than I have ever heard from a Remainer
According to the EU’s very own, most recent official measure of single market integration amongst its members, the UK was the third least integrated for goods and the least integrated for services amongst ALL 28 member states, so it’s not like the bar, as you like to imply, was ever that high in the first place I’m afraid.
Redtape costs feed into economic growth. Which then feeds into wealth. In this case, particularly for clerks and computer support.
How “red taped” is British economy? Compared to your competitors – do we have any international studies that tries to quantify Red Tape.
17,410,742 VOTES vs 16,141,241 VOTES
50% each?
You aren’t good with percentages, are you? So I don’t think I would be taking any financial advice from you.
Yes, I noticed that too. He evidently belongs to the “decliners” referred to in the article…
In round numbers 50/50. Furthermore, when I say 50% voted in a conservative 80 seat majority to ‘get brexit done’ I was rounding up , it was closer to 40%.
Democracy or Majorityism ?
> 100% of exporters have extra paperwork and therefore red tape costs
I think that’s intentional: Higher cross-border transaction costs means local produces becomes more attractive. It also means EU-wide companies are at an disadvantage on the English markets leaving space for smaller English companies
It is a reversal of the neolib policies that have governed political and economical thinking all the way back since Thatcher and Reagan but which clearly doesn’t work for everyone as was promised
This is political propaganda masquerading as political analysis, and evidently lapped up by his followers on unherd. Indeed there’s something of a contradiction in so many people subscribing to an outlet called “unherd” and behaving like a herd of right wing populists.
What an uncharitable outburst on Christmas Day.
You should return to the Guardian, forthwith, as UnHerd will only anger you, and impair your health.
Lol. Poor baby. Boris accomplished what he was elected to do. You can always move to France.
We can but hope…
Over the years I have come across endless numbers of Scots, Welsh and Irish folk who insult England (and the English)
My usual reaction is to offer to buy them a one-way ticket back to their hallowed country of origin – on the basis that they promise not to return.
None have ever taken me up on the offer 🤔
Americans do much the same with people who threaten repeatedly to move out of the US and yet somehow never do. They too never take anyone up on the offer. It’s almost like they’re just BSing about wanting to leave.
Candace Owens has offered to buy a one-way ticket to Africa for every ‘African American’ who feels ‘persecuted’ in the US. Needless to say, none of them has taken them up on her offer.
Works the other way too you know. Sadly this comment sums up the herd mentality of commentators on this site. So much for a united kingdom eh?
Happy Christmas to you too
Where do you take issue with the article?
Perhaps it’s too close to the truth for him so the easy thing to do is just dismiss it as propaganda.