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ruari
ruari
3 years ago

Interesting use of a photo that includes Churchill, with clear implication that he was part of the clique. I read with eager anticipation of a hitherto unknown report of a connection with this group. How disappointing that he wasn’t even mentioned in the text.

The article is interesting in its way but there’s nothing truly revelatory there. Some on the Right and aristocracy in the 1920s & 30s were in favour of fascism and dictatorship? I don’t think that’s news to anyone. What might be news to many in the current generation is that the overwhelming majority were not, and actively opposed the road that so many Continental countries had been seduced down.

The article conflates Chesterton/Belloc Distributism with this far Right cabal. It was rather opposed to it, in fact, as it posited a fairer distribution of wealth while opposing dictatorship, of any colour. In its championing of individual control of wealth it was rather the opposite of the “neo-Toryism” the writer describes.

It is also interesting to see the contortions the writer puts himself through in attempting to paint the current trend towards censorship, restraint, authoritarianism, required conformity at the potential cost of livelihood as manifestations of the Alt Right, when it is in fact driven by forces, groups, cliques and canals seeking to portray themselves as liberal/Left, rather than the neo-fascist aspiring dictators they actually are. Look to them to see the true heirs of Mosley – who also doesnt get a mention, strangely.

LUKE LOZE
LUKE LOZE
3 years ago
Reply to  ruari

I noticed the Churchill thing, very poor choice.

And very true on the views of the aristocracy, it would be news only if they’d all become champions of Democracy as opposed to wanting to maintain their privillege. Sure if these aristocrats were pro democracy they’d have renounced their titles and called for the abolition of the House of Lords?

What would the author would call the huge number of violent socialists who regularly spout anti-semitism and hate democracy? At what point do these people become far-right? Or could we please put all the political/religious violent thugs, racists and authoritarian in one big bucket and not actually care about right/left labels for them?

Michael Inglefield
Michael Inglefield
3 years ago
Reply to  ruari

Thank you for that….simple truths, simply stated. I wonder if the inclusion of Churchill in the picture (it could easily have been clipped) deliberately mischievious?

David Brown
David Brown
3 years ago

You might say the same about the inclusion of Austen Chamberlain. The only one of the three who is mentioned in the text is Stanley Baldwin, and he is there only as the target of the Neo-Tories.

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago
Reply to  ruari

Thank you for an excellent critique of a somewhat twisted article.

Dominic Straiton
Dominic Straiton
3 years ago

Whilst Im not against democracy we have to own up to what it has wrought. A £2 trillion debt as every government, one after another bribe the electorate with its own, or today made up money. Unfortunately today there is nowhere else to go as all the institutions that took a thousand years to build have been torn down and infantile ideology has taken its place. I hope the illusion can continue, but I doubt it will.

Last Jacobin
Last Jacobin
3 years ago

Who is the debt owed to?

Dominic Straiton
Dominic Straiton
3 years ago
Reply to  Last Jacobin

Government bonds, printed money. So no one, or everyone. Take your pick.

Derek M
Derek M
3 years ago

The record on debt and economic mismanagement of non-democratic governments isn’t great either

Go Away Please
Go Away Please
3 years ago
Reply to  Derek M

So true. So perhaps the method used to appoint leaders isn’t as important as we think it is?

Last Jacobin
Last Jacobin
3 years ago

I liked this review. I learned from it. Interesting the way some of the comments below put themselves through contortions in order to deliver their digs against the liberal/left.

Nigel Clarke
Nigel Clarke
3 years ago

“…depending on your standpoint, as either a validation of the concept of electoral democracy or the very opposite….”

This is nothing about your view or your standpoint, so much as it is about accepting the reality over the fantasy that the US have just held a free, fair and democratic election

If anyone thinks that a free, fair and democratic election has just taken place in the US, i’ve got a bridge to sell you, wrapped and labelled with free delivery.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Clarke

It should be easy to be proven in court. Brace yourself (!) – your opinion doesn’t matter at all!!!

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

But yours apparently does

mike otter
mike otter
3 years ago

Great bit of story telling and an excellent example of how not to let the facts get in the way of a good yarn. The writer would get no plaudits at all for saying “Hey, you know way back in the 1920s-30s, many politicians, thinkers and writers had views that were pretty weird by todays standards, and there were maybe 2 dozen such movements who got given names” The neo -Tories are one of the least well known but BUF, Common Wealth, Constitutionalists, Communist Party GB, even the Next Five Years group (greens) are much better known. Although an interesting footnote in political history the neo-Tories aren’t even as significant as the pro EU Tories today. If you want to smear today’s political movements with the tar brush of the past how about Beaverbrook and Rothermere’s support for National Socialism or EP Thompson and E Hobsbawns’ love affair with Stalin?. Would be lot easier than having to assemble a load of neo-tory straw men from scratch.

Mark Corby
Mark Corby
3 years ago
Reply to  mike otter

Too true.

Does anyone recall General Sir Walter Walker and his “Civil Assistance” movement of the early 70’s?

Sadly perhaps, the good General did not ultimately remove Harold Wilson & Co.

mike otter
mike otter
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark Corby

I often thought Fairly Secret Army was inspired by Walker – That or the McWhirter bros ( though i expect they and their Ulster Scots neighbours were more real than parody if you crossed them!)

Mark Corby
Mark Corby
3 years ago
Reply to  mike otter

Both I would think, after all FSA was only ten years after the emergence of WW.

Prashant Kotak
Prashant Kotak
3 years ago

Very interesting. Wonder if Orwell was aware of Sanderson and the Neo-Tories, and if their hopes and ambitions fed into his writing. Almost feels like there are echoes in 1984.

Robin Lambert
Robin Lambert
3 years ago
Reply to  Prashant Kotak

Garbage,.. Orwell worked for the BBC, 1984 is Warning against Communism,Fascism, and Media Spin &brainwashing ”newspeak” Today euphemisms ”Unconscious bias”

Barry Coombes
Barry Coombes
3 years ago

Would it not have been fairer to have a photo labelled “ultra reactionary Tories…” actually show some of them, rather than their opponents? The picture looks like one taken as Austin Chamberlain and Winston Churchill went to persuade Stanley Baldwin of the necessity of rearming against the Nazi threat.

I assume the availability of photographs of the actual would-be putschists was rather limited, but using a photograph of Churchill next to the headline “Tories against democracy” feels like a click-baity smear.

John Vaughan
John Vaughan
3 years ago

There is a constant battle between the privileged – who own all the media – and the masses who usually go along with the lies they are fed. Just occasionally they rise up as they did in 1945.

Derek M
Derek M
3 years ago
Reply to  John Vaughan

More recently than that, 2016

johntshea2
johntshea2
3 years ago

Tories versus Whigs? Now there’s a blast from the past! Let’s refight the Battle Of The Boyne and sort things out once and for all.

Jim Richards
Jim Richards
3 years ago

Lloyd is an interesting figure. He wrote the official government leaflet on why we were fighting WW2 and used the interesting word ‘apostasy’ to describe why the British government fell out with Hitler. It’s not much talked about in Britain (though it is in trans Atlantic historical circles) but the whole thrust of Chamberlain’s policy was to turn Hitler against Russia and Lloyd was a key part of that effort. Far too late these dangerous idiots worked out Hitler was coming after them as well, and probably coming for them first.

In their view Hitler had deserted a Conservative/Christian coalition against Bolshevism, hence the apostasy. In ‘The Chamberlain Hitler Collusion’ their fascinating revisionist history Leibovitch and Finkel dismantle the Chamberlain was a good man but easily duped thesis, he was an arrogant and nasty piece of work who very nearly saw us subject to Hitler. It was Churchill who had the political insight to see that Stalin wasn’t a revolutionary, but Hitler was

Robin Lambert
Robin Lambert
3 years ago
Reply to  Jim Richards

Most backed Lord halifax,Including The Royal family…Yes Churchill got it wrong on ”Hitler” sympathisers Wallis-Simpson & Edward v111 ..but he Was necessary to Win WW2.. interestingly BBC barred Winston Churchill from them ,as they viewed him ”As Warmonger”.

Michael Whittock
Michael Whittock
3 years ago

I agree that democracy is being challenged at the moment, but to talk about the “waning attachment to democracy” by the people is an exaggeration. What we have seen during this decade is a successful use of the democratic process by the great Unheard to register their protest at the centre-left, liberal elite who have run politics for generations-yes, perhaps even from 1688! I think the Biden/Harris failure to achieve a landslide against Donald Trump shows that the Unheard are not going anywhere and will bide their time.
Democracy is not perfect,but it’s the best we’ve got.
The system isn’t the problem,it’s the people who run it. So many of our politicians are intellectual and moral pygmies lacking vision,fresh ideas true leadership ability. We need to see again people of the stature of the two Pitts, William Gladstone, Clement Attlee, Nelson Mandela and Mikhail Gorbachev

Derek M
Derek M
3 years ago

Absolutely, the political and media class mistake a waning attachment to them and their bromides as a waning attachment to democracy. Indeed the rise of ‘populism’ is actually just a return of politics after thirty or more years in the west of the political class abdicating their (democratically controlled) responsibilities to undemocratic international organisations, unelected central bankers, an unrepresentative judiciary, academia and think tanks and big business interests; in other words a globalist, cosmopolitan oligarchy eg Davos Man. To paraphrase Peter Finch in Network – we’re mad as hell and we won’t take it anymore. And about time to

Go Away Please
Go Away Please
3 years ago

Although, of course, there was a different system in place when the two Pitts and Gladstone were our leaders. So perhaps the system (democracy) does lead to some problems?

joe_falconer
joe_falconer
3 years ago

The idea that we somehow have a democracy that is not authoritarian seems a bit naive. The liberal forces of wokeness operate as if they were some form of bolshevik, shadow force driving a blind nation towards ideological and cultural ends – ends not aligned to those of the common man. They are in fact no different from the dictator who thinks he knows best. And, despite their obvious Brexit setback, they continue to set the nation’s agenda and control government action through their dominance of media channels. They deploy their forces in a manner that the Neo-Tories could only have dreamt of.

The liberals long ago realised that fighting fair through democratic means would never achieve what they see as necessary. Their utopian vision involves a sterilised homogenisation of humanity whereby the common good (as they see it) trumps any concept of individual rights or personal agency. Their immediate battle is being fought in the field of climate change – a populace made fearful through Covid is most convenient if not absolutely essential.

The BBC, the Guardian, the NYT are all populated by these liberal warriors who view their personal life mission as one which involves saving the sheep from themeselves. None have been elected and we might reasonably view this is a de facto coup by an extreme and unrepresentative cabal. The 4th estate is now the defacto seat of power and the rise of social media platforms dominated by liberal forces is the new norm. When something or someone threatens their aims, their response is coordinated, tenacious and eventually lethal. The Great Barrington Declaration’s scientists are smeared. Cummings is taken down. Trump is terminated. BoJo is next unless he mends his ways ….

There is a seriously un-democratic war underway.Today’s western media liberals don’t have to worry about the Neo-Tories problem of being “out of tune with the times” since they increasing set the tune. It is reasonable to say that they are engaged in an increasingly successful task of sequestering democratic power by re-programming the masses.

Is there any counter-balance? Can we rescue the authentic voice of the common man? In a world where Twitter feels strong enough to censor the sitting US President for the distribution of disinformation (in an online world alive with uncensored, liberal non-truth), I’m not optimistic. Momentum now lies with the wokery and unless everyone else wakes up to what they are about to lose, these insurgents are likely to prevail.

Mark Corby
Mark Corby
3 years ago

Bryant was all too predictably rewarded with a knighthood, after writing drivel for years.

On the other hand Junger’s “Storm of Steel” is brilliant.

Vivek Rajkhowa
Vivek Rajkhowa
3 years ago

The neo-Tories were right about one thing, the Glorious Revolution and its Whig proponents were shams and traitors.

Alan Healy
Alan Healy
3 years ago
Reply to  Vivek Rajkhowa

Rubbish . The British state itself was founded by the Revolution .

Vivek Rajkhowa
Vivek Rajkhowa
3 years ago
Reply to  Alan Healy

It wasn’t though, the modern state was founded through a process that started in 1603, with James I ascending to the throne.

Mark Corby
Mark Corby
3 years ago
Reply to  Vivek Rajkhowa

Had James II stood and fought, rather than run away with a nosebleed you would have been correct.

Vivek Rajkhowa
Vivek Rajkhowa
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark Corby

How so?

Mark Corby
Mark Corby
3 years ago
Reply to  Vivek Rajkhowa

For some inexplicable reason James suffered an attack of Lack of Moral Fibre (LMF) on news of William’s invasion. Had he not, his Army was quite capable of throwing William’s somewhat meagre Dutch, German and Danish forces back into the English Channel.

Previously James had fought bravely as an Admiral in the Royal Navy during the Dutch Wars, so his attack of LMF was all the more surprising.

Vivek Rajkhowa
Vivek Rajkhowa
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark Corby

Ah, yeah this is very true. Now there’s a world that would be intriguing to live in.

Mark Corby
Mark Corby
3 years ago
Reply to  Vivek Rajkhowa

Our own has proved quite interesting over the last few days.

Vivek Rajkhowa
Vivek Rajkhowa
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark Corby

This is true, still, can’t help but wonder eh

Mark Corby
Mark Corby
3 years ago
Reply to  Vivek Rajkhowa

I am always astonished at how small William’s Army was, and what an incredible risk he took.

Either way he should better remembered as the last man to carry out a successful invasion of this Island.

Vivek Rajkhowa
Vivek Rajkhowa
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark Corby

This is very true, and whilst i think William was a traitor for betraying his uncle, I do think the fact he managed to take England was impressive. Truly, if he and James had worked together, things would’ve been much better.

Mark Corby
Mark Corby
3 years ago
Reply to  Vivek Rajkhowa

One of history’s great missed opportunities, one might say.

Vivek Rajkhowa
Vivek Rajkhowa
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark Corby

Most definitely

sam.keays
sam.keays
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark Corby

Almost certainly at the cost of a second civil war.

In the end a Catholic monarch in late 17th century Britain was not going to last, anti-Catholic sentiment – that needless to say included an international element in Britain’s then rivalry with Spain – was far too strong.

Geoffrey Simon Hicking
Geoffrey Simon Hicking
3 years ago

“Only Great Britain, Scandinavia, France and the Low Countries hold to a middle course.”

South Korea, Malaysia, and a few other states might find that a bit offensive. What is it with our intelligentsia and their Europe obsession?

Micael Gustavsson
Micael Gustavsson
3 years ago

Do you claim South Korea and Malaysia where democracies in the 1930s? That seems a quite strange view of history.

Geoffrey Simon Hicking
Geoffrey Simon Hicking
3 years ago

Oops. I’ll read it again. The present tense of that sentence must have thrown me off.

Go Away Please
Go Away Please
3 years ago

It’s also worth bearing in mind that in the 1930s we hadn’t had one man one vote in place for very long. It’s not like democracy doesn’t have its drawbacks.

Mark Corby
Mark Corby
3 years ago

Feelings of effortless superiority die hard.

Robin Lambert
Robin Lambert
3 years ago

They aren’t Intelligent!

Steve Gwynne
Steve Gwynne
3 years ago

Very interesting Aris, thanks 😊

I perceive echoes of Functionalism in the neo-Tory ideology
https://www.britannica.com/

I wonder how much of Corporatism was influenced by Functionalism too.

Mark Corby
Mark Corby
3 years ago

Who is that scruffy toad on the left, with his tie at half mast, and wearing a monocle?

Hilary Arundale
Hilary Arundale
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark Corby

The Mogg

Derek M
Derek M
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark Corby

I think it’s Austen Chamberlain

Mark Corby
Mark Corby
3 years ago
Reply to  Derek M

Yes, I think you’re correct, many thanks.

I think it is the Cabinet conference of the 20th February 1929, taken on the terrace of No 10. I was rather thrown by AC’s uncharacteristically slovenly appearance.

Jake C
Jake C
3 years ago

What exactly do these people want society and the economy to look like

Nun Yerbizness
Nun Yerbizness
3 years ago

not to forget England’s proto-Nazi, Sir Oswald Mosley who was a friend to the little Austrian corporal with the Charlie Chaplin mustache as well as to the author of The Gallipoli Disaster haunted by a black dog.

T C
T C
3 years ago

Readers may be interested to read more of the relationship between Lord Lloyd and Lady Houston in the book ‘Adventuress’ by Teresa Crompton (2020). It describes Lucy Houston’s funding of Lloyd in her desire for him to become Prime Minister as well as her friendship with Churchill, her flirtation with Fascism, and her doomed promotion of Edward VIII as England’s very own dictator:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ad

Ferrusian Gambit
Ferrusian Gambit
3 years ago

I wonder how long a state that devoted itself to a real neo-feudal, merry England fantasy could survive in the real world of competitive states: there is a reason countries such as Japan, China, Saudi Arabia, Oman etc. all felt the overwhelming need to modernise or be the puppets of countries that found themselves in this position first.

Even Franco’s regime, which as correctly stated was beloved of these Ruskinite types, found itself in an alliance with the arch-liberal USA, run by Opus Dei modernisers who forced major changes in education and industrial policy (including privatisations of corporatist companies) and found itself using both the IMF and UN as tools of political theatre. The sidelining of Carlists and conservative Catalinists. Not to mention the unbounded industrialisation, internal migration, uncontrolled property development and mass tourism that the government promoted. And for all that Franco intended to fight against modernism with patinas of tradition: I refer of course to the pregoneros, the tercio familiar, the corporatist companies… all crumbled like dust when he died, even the semblance of organicist society couldn’t hold.

The truth is, read beyond the customary bad faith of the author and there is a thread in the whole story of the obscure Tory ginger group. It is this: in times of turmoil people start to worship a past they barely understand by recourse to mysticism and appeals to metaphysical entities whose existence is somehow demonstrated by the putative benefits of mass social delusion. We live in a world of bureaucratic and badly developed education systems that never teach the scientific method or the capacity to critical thought to all but an tiny minority, and even if the education system was greatly better the inherent limitations in intellect that most people have (have you ever seen what is required to have a mean IQ of 100?), unfortunately human society, regardless of the political system it calls itself, is inevitably going to produce these strings.

Those without a twee attachment to medievalism (ISIS are classic examples in a different cultural context) use modern technology and propaganda to promote their aims which leads to a build up to a great crescendo of unreason and servility that of course becomes unmasked in its barbarity and repulsiveness and is quietly set aside again.

The societies that these people worship were only temporarily stable because modernity didn’t give them the tools with which to destroy themselves, which they have now. When I was younger I never understood the author Michael Moorcock’s hostility to JRR Tolkein, but now I do. It’s because his oeuvre, which very much fell under this kind of thinking, is the replacement of realism with fantasy. Imagining modernity and its problems and divisions can be replaced by imagining we could collectively decide to live in an Arthurian Romance, or a Walter Scott novel, is an abdication of thinking about reality as it is. And thus why we hear these people say that the important part of religion isn’t the literalness of religion and God, but its ‘mythical meaning’. And yet – in reality it always is! Because the interface of trying to implement fantasy in reality always involves a great deal of having to actually deal with reality and the modern world and all it entails. Deliberately choosing to ignore that is a denial of reality that always seems to nicely parallel the denial of any rational and empirical basis for truth those that who claim a personal God, let alone a personal God exists (and that kings have divine power from him etc.) indulge in. Individualism is realism and vice versa – as the Enlightenment showed, as the human condition means reality can only be deduced alone, not through the tendentious social manipulation of others, as much as our biology (though not necessarily consciousness) may cry out in its genes that were designed for living in tribes. That is why this kind of thinking is so dangerous, because it is so appeals to all our mental debilities – is it any surprise flat earth theories are back? – that 2500 years of rationalism have tried to dispel, a saccharine re-induction to barbarism.

It’s almost as if protestantism, the enlightenment, industrialisation and liberal individualism might have something to say for themselves after all even if sadly their partisans these recently are largely mentally hamstrung PR men.

Robin Lambert
Robin Lambert
3 years ago

More Mumbo Jumbo..Its NOT just the Tories,Its Labour,Lib-dems,Greens,Plaid,SNP (who want conversations in your own home,be A ”hate Crime” look how these mainstream parties behave on Electorates Concerns
, 1) Exiting EU 4&half years stifling it 2) US Mainstream media ignore biden’s illegal financial dealings in ukraine etc..3) cabinet has over 110 ministers A third of the Party it had 13 in 1962…Concentrations of Power.. Corrupt institutions like WHO,UN,Common Purpose are SARS2 plandemic ”Scientific data” fixed shows Some people object to corrupt globalist Mainstream media