Horny men - or "fuckboys" in contemporary slang - manipulate naive women

The American social psychologist Jonathan Haidt likes to invent scenarios that test our moral intuitions. He will ask research participants to listen to a story, give their opinion on it, and then explain their reasoning.
Here is one such scenario: imagine a man goes to a supermarket and buys himself a whole dead chicken. He takes it home, has sex with it, and then eats it. No one else ever finds out. Did he do anything wrong?
Haidt has several other scenarios concerned with sexual morality. Is it ok for a brother and sister to have sex, if they use multiple forms of contraception, and no one else knows about it? Or, to use a real scenario, is it ok for a man to consent to being eaten by another man, for the purposes of sexual gratification?
The psychologist reports that his participants’ responses tend to be affected by their political allegiances. Social conservatives generally give swift, confident answers, because they are able to appeal to values like sanctity and authority. For them, having sex with a dead chicken or a sibling obviously violates religious or traditionalist moral principles and is therefore unacceptable. End of story.
Liberals have more difficulty: they want to say that the acts are wrong, because they are instinctively disgusted by them, but the scenarios are designed to prevent any appeal to J.S. Mill’s harm principle: “The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilised community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others.”
In the chicken example, for instance, it is difficult to identify anyone who has been harmed by the man’s behaviour, since the chicken, being dead, can’t be harmed, and other people, being ignorant of the act, can’t be harmed either. The man is simply exercising his sexual autonomy, which means that, as Haidt puts it, “if your moral matrix is limited to the ethic of autonomy, then you’re at high risk of being dumbfounded by this case.”
Not everyone is dumbfounded. The American anthropologist Gayle Rubin, for instance — a key figure in the sex-positive feminist movement that emerged in the 1980s — would, I imagine, be unbothered by the chicken scenario, just as she is unbothered by unusual sexual behaviour in general. “Ultimately, of what possible social significance is it if a person likes to masturbate over a shoe?” Rubin writes, “in Western culture, sex is taken all too seriously”.
Rubin is radical in her liberalism. She famously rejects the idea of “good” or “bad” sexual behaviour, interpreting such moralising as inherently oppressive. To her mind, sex does not need to involve either love or commitment, and it certainly needn’t have any connection to marriage or reproduction. The only thing that matters to sex-positive feminists like Rubin is whether or not all parties are able and willing to consent to a particular sex act. All other sexual morality must be discarded — indeed, one group that was influential early on in arguing for the destigmatisation of commercial sex made the point crystal clear with their choice of name: COYOTE, “Call Off Your Old Tired Ethics.”
Within the last 40 years, sex-positivism has been remarkably successful within academia and the media, to the point that it is now the dominant ideology among liberal feminists, who are themselves the dominant feminist sect. The moral minimalism that comes from holding only to the principle of consent results in certain policy positions.
For instance, the neutral or even positive attitude that liberal feminists take towards transactional sex leads them to support the decriminalisation or legalisation of porn and prostitution, including pimping, as long as all participants consent. BDSM (Bondage, Domination, Sadism and Masochism) is also permissible, according to the principle of consent — in fact, some argue that BDSM relationships are preferable to “vanilla” ones because explicit discussions of consent are (supposed to be) front-and-centre within the community. A rejection of traditional sexual morality or “Old Tired Ethics” also encourages a positive attitude towards casual sex, polyamory, fetishes and more.
On university campuses sex-positive liberal feminism is currently the order of the day, along with its various trappings. At the beginning of term, freshers are given a lecture on the importance of consent and sent on their way with “I heart consent” badges and tote bags. The rule they’re taught is simple enough: with consent, anything goes.
But while threesomes, nipple clamps and butt plugs may now be acceptable topics of conversation on campus, there still remains a frightening taboo: the fact of innate, average differences between men and women when it comes to sexuality. The research evidence is clear — we know that men, on average, prefer to have more sex and with a larger number of partners, that fetishes are far more common with men, that sex buyers are almost exclusively male, that men watch a lot more porn than women do, and that the vast majority of heterosexual women do not orgasm during casual sex and mostly say that they would prefer a committed relationship, if given the option. All in all, the evidence demonstrates that the acts that sex-positive feminism encourages are acts that men are much more likely to enjoy.
These differences make perfect, intuitive sense when you reflect on male and female reproductive roles. Of course the group of people left literally holding the baby are going to have evolved to be pickier about mating partners, and of course the other half, who are able to pass on their genetic material painlessly and in a matter of minutes, are more likely to have a preference for sowing their wild oats.
The uncomfortable truth is that, up until the arrival of reliable contraception — about five minutes ago, in evolutionary terms — sex was much riskier and costlier for women than it was for men. And as Mary Harrington writes in these pages, “ignoring our animal nature in favour of an abstract vision of egalitarianism has ended up disproportionately harming women”.
But you can’t say this in sex-positive circles, where a belief in the blank slate mandates that any differences in male and female behaviour be explained as solely a consequence of socialisation. So when inexperienced young women are encouraged by liberal feminism to behave exactly as men would like them to, and find themselves feeling used, violated and miserable — as they often do — they have no way of understanding what is happening to them, or recognising that the system is rigged.
This cognitive dissonance can lead to some strange places. Last week, there was the predictable social media outrage after liberal feminist writer Heather O’Neill wrote: “If you have sex with someone knowing full well it is going to be a one time thing, but the other person believes they are embarking on a relationship, I don’t think you can really consider the sex consensual. (Although this opinion gets me into trouble at dinner parties.)”
O’Neill was widely mocked as an extremist and a fool. I think she’s wrong to stretch the definition of “consent” to breaking point, but I have some sympathy for her viewpoint. Many liberal feminist women are sincerely unhappy with the sexual status quo, but they struggle to reconcile their unhappiness with their ideology. And since the only moral principle left standing under the reign of sex-positivism is the need for consent, this principle must be put to work in order to explain away their feelings.
O’Neill is correctly identifying a problem — the fact that horny and unscrupulous men (“fuckboys” in contemporary slang) will regularly manipulate naive women into casual sex that leaves the women feeling wretched. Such sex isn’t illegal, since the women do say “yes”, but it’s unpleasant and unkind. It’s immoral, in other words, but this is not a term that liberal feminists feel comfortable using, given its icky associations with religious conservatism, and so the only vocabulary left available to O’Neill is that relating to consent.
Liberal feminists have got their premises wrong. A moral system based solely on consent is inadequate because the presence of consent is such a very, very low bar — an absolute bare minimum requirement, not an ideal. Given the profound importance and complexity of sexual relationships, a much larger and more sophisticated moral system is required to determine what good, not just legal, sexual behaviour looks like, and the Gayle Rubins of the world are not best placed to describe it.
Liberal women are being asked to rationalise away their moral intuitions — to believe that a punch to the face can be a sign of love, that “catching feelings” for a sexual partner is something to be resisted, and that consent is all that matters. When it comes to sex, the ideological toolbox put together by liberal feminism contains just one blunt, useless implement. Unsurprisingly, it isn’t up to the job.
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SubscribeI am one of legions of women who had to have a bilateral mastectomy as the result of cancer. This glib rendering of that procedure as a “fashion statement” trivializes what every one of us had to go through to save our lives. It’s abhorrent.
For sure.. and well done you for sharing..
I think the same thing every time I see a picture of some smiling child proudly displaying her scars. The insensitivity is simply astounding.
For sure.. and well done you for sharing..
I think the same thing every time I see a picture of some smiling child proudly displaying her scars. The insensitivity is simply astounding.
I am one of legions of women who had to have a bilateral mastectomy as the result of cancer. This glib rendering of that procedure as a “fashion statement” trivializes what every one of us had to go through to save our lives. It’s abhorrent.
I buy a Costa flat white every day. Or I did. Caffe Nero here I come … Until they do something equally dumb.
It’s the phoniness I can’t stand as much as the stupidity and misogyny.
A quick Google….and Nero seems normal. Well more normal than Costa. Happy to boycott….and I have a loyalty card. Had.
The coffee at Nero has always been better
Agreed – Nero is the best of all the chains IMO.
Indeed.
Much stronger, I think?
Agreed – Nero is the best of all the chains IMO.
Indeed.
Much stronger, I think?
The coffee at Nero has always been better
As Costa is a subsidiary of Coca-Cola it would probably be a good idea to boycott all of their products in favour of non-woke company products.
The trouble is that all these large brand are ultimately owned by a small group of corporations who all have shareholdings in each other
I tried boycotting Gillette only to find that they owned Wilkinson Sword and Harrys. I am now using Aldi own brand
Worth going to DE shaving: far, far cheaper and better results, with practice. Also easy to avoid Gillette if you want to…
Jeremy’s I think is a conservative brand
Worth going to DE shaving: far, far cheaper and better results, with practice. Also easy to avoid Gillette if you want to…
Jeremy’s I think is a conservative brand
Moreover, Coca Cola told its employees to be less White, which strengthens your point.
https://nypost.com/2021/02/23/coca-cola-diversity-training-urged-workers-to-be-less-white/
Yes
Costa was started by two brothers, I used to go to their first café near Victoria Station in London regularly in the early 80s and often chatted with Bruno Costa.
Now they are just another conglomerate brand, through Whitbread and now Coca-Cola have hitherto been efficient managers. But this is an own goal, yet another tone-deaf bit of pandering and sucking-up to a dangerous cult. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Disagree about Nero’s coffee being better, though.
The trouble is that all these large brand are ultimately owned by a small group of corporations who all have shareholdings in each other
I tried boycotting Gillette only to find that they owned Wilkinson Sword and Harrys. I am now using Aldi own brand
Moreover, Coca Cola told its employees to be less White, which strengthens your point.
https://nypost.com/2021/02/23/coca-cola-diversity-training-urged-workers-to-be-less-white/
Yes
Costa was started by two brothers, I used to go to their first café near Victoria Station in London regularly in the early 80s and often chatted with Bruno Costa.
Now they are just another conglomerate brand, through Whitbread and now Coca-Cola have hitherto been efficient managers. But this is an own goal, yet another tone-deaf bit of pandering and sucking-up to a dangerous cult. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Disagree about Nero’s coffee being better, though.
A quick Google….and Nero seems normal. Well more normal than Costa. Happy to boycott….and I have a loyalty card. Had.
As Costa is a subsidiary of Coca-Cola it would probably be a good idea to boycott all of their products in favour of non-woke company products.
I buy a Costa flat white every day. Or I did. Caffe Nero here I come … Until they do something equally dumb.
It’s the phoniness I can’t stand as much as the stupidity and misogyny.
Finally a company I can boycott for their trans nonsense.
I couldn’t boycott Bud Light, for obvious reasons, but I used to shop in Costa.
It could just as easily be a male who has undergone gynecomastia surgery.
Nice of Costa to recognize these people and be inclusive.
Come on, it’s got woke smurf hair.
It all fits. Too much female hormone causing both conditions.
And why does it half the girl hair? If the person wants to be boy? Nothing makes sense with them.
It all fits. Too much female hormone causing both conditions.
And why does it half the girl hair? If the person wants to be boy? Nothing makes sense with them.
Thanks for your contribution.. only for a nice new word though. I’d no idea coffee could be taken through the genitals! ..I did know coke can be taken through the nose however! Its getting harder for us crumblies to keep up!
Come on, it’s got woke smurf hair.
Thanks for your contribution.. only for a nice new word though. I’d no idea coffee could be taken through the genitals! ..I did know coke can be taken through the nose however! Its getting harder for us crumblies to keep up!
It could just as easily be a male who has undergone gynecomastia surgery.
Nice of Costa to recognize these people and be inclusive.
Finally a company I can boycott for their trans nonsense.
I couldn’t boycott Bud Light, for obvious reasons, but I used to shop in Costa.
I don’t think people understand the truly profound medical consequences of gender affirming surgery. People who undertake this extreme measure will suffer a lifetime of pain, medicalization and almost always follow-up surgery. That it would be performed on children is borderline deranged.
Mastectomies and breast augmentation are well known to surgeons. These would likely be the least consequential of the procedures, but even these carry tremendous risk.
Bottom surgery is almost an invitation to pain and suffering. I think the avg patient will have to get something like three follow-up surgeries to address issues caused by the initial intervention.
“That it would be performed on children is borderline deranged.”
I question your use of the word “borderline”.
I apologise in advance for this.
The most harrowing thing I have read about “bottom surgery” (I believe it was in an UnHerd article) was the account of a guy who had vaginoplasty yet still experienced twitching in the stump of what was left of his p***s.
It must be a living nightmare after having surgery that he thought would make him a woman, only to be reminded whenever he gets aroused that he’s just a mutilated man.
Surely that must be his new clit¤r¡s ‘acting up’?
Yup. A broken ‘bonus hole’.
Yup. A broken ‘bonus hole’.
Sex ed in schools should make reading a detransitioners accounts mandatory. Don’t forget the never ending dribble of urine or the fact that it takes him 10 minutes to have a piss because nothing down there works.
Surely that must be his new clit¤r¡s ‘acting up’?
Sex ed in schools should make reading a detransitioners accounts mandatory. Don’t forget the never ending dribble of urine or the fact that it takes him 10 minutes to have a piss because nothing down there works.
It is simply child abuse for profit (esp in USA medical circles) and for some bizarre form of gratification.
“That it would be performed on children is borderline deranged.”
I question your use of the word “borderline”.
I apologise in advance for this.
The most harrowing thing I have read about “bottom surgery” (I believe it was in an UnHerd article) was the account of a guy who had vaginoplasty yet still experienced twitching in the stump of what was left of his p***s.
It must be a living nightmare after having surgery that he thought would make him a woman, only to be reminded whenever he gets aroused that he’s just a mutilated man.
It is simply child abuse for profit (esp in USA medical circles) and for some bizarre form of gratification.
I don’t think people understand the truly profound medical consequences of gender affirming surgery. People who undertake this extreme measure will suffer a lifetime of pain, medicalization and almost always follow-up surgery. That it would be performed on children is borderline deranged.
Mastectomies and breast augmentation are well known to surgeons. These would likely be the least consequential of the procedures, but even these carry tremendous risk.
Bottom surgery is almost an invitation to pain and suffering. I think the avg patient will have to get something like three follow-up surgeries to address issues caused by the initial intervention.
Shameless misogyny, beautifully identified and bravely shared – thanks Joan, absolutely spot on. RIP, Costa!
Shameless misogyny, beautifully identified and bravely shared – thanks Joan, absolutely spot on. RIP, Costa!
When somebody proposes to carry out a double mastectomy on a girl, are we supposed to say ‘Maaate’ or are we supposed to say ‘Go on!, Get in there son!’
Great question, let’s ask Sadiq Khan.
Great question, let’s ask Sadiq Khan.
When somebody proposes to carry out a double mastectomy on a girl, are we supposed to say ‘Maaate’ or are we supposed to say ‘Go on!, Get in there son!’
Gender Ideology shows how Liberal doctrine is capable of brainwashing people into doing harm no less than the Stalinist and Fascist doctrines of old.
Woke is surely pseudo-liberal rather than liberal?
The Soviets had Lysenkoism, they killed scientists who argued against it, its no surprise that trannys are now killing people
Woke is surely pseudo-liberal rather than liberal?
The Soviets had Lysenkoism, they killed scientists who argued against it, its no surprise that trannys are now killing people
Gender Ideology shows how Liberal doctrine is capable of brainwashing people into doing harm no less than the Stalinist and Fascist doctrines of old.
This is unbelievable! How utterly insulting to women who have neededto go through this procedure for health reasons.
I will never drink a Costa coffee again, and will encourage anyone I meet to do likewise.
The fact that this is obviously accepted at the highest level makes you wonder if these people understand the purpose of business at all. The idiot who provided the company response is a disgrace to humanity.
Hopefully the company will sink without trace.
This is unbelievable! How utterly insulting to women who have neededto go through this procedure for health reasons.
I will never drink a Costa coffee again, and will encourage anyone I meet to do likewise.
The fact that this is obviously accepted at the highest level makes you wonder if these people understand the purpose of business at all. The idiot who provided the company response is a disgrace to humanity.
Hopefully the company will sink without trace.
Horrific image. Per Cass and study after study in country after country, most kids claiming dysphoria actually have depression, autism, or repressed homosexuality and with suitable care will get better without transitioning to a lifetime of sterility, loss of sexual function, and chronic ill-health.
But, to state the obvious, they obviously thought it would play well with their mostly younger metropolitan clientele.
They could actually be right about that.
The sheer brain dead moral degeneracy and degradation of so many of the self-identified progressive community is quite a thing. Nothing has changed since Orwell wrote about these types.
A comparison with Q Anon is instructive.
Q is a fantasy of democrat child abuse that enables its adherents to believe in their own virtue and licences violence on their behalf. That’s the point.
The ‘Let Trans kids be themselves’ narrative of Trans ideology does exactly the same for progressives. That’s the point.
In fairness to Q Anon the kids in that case don’t exist at all.
Here they do – the child abuse is real. Not even Q Anon go that far. But these people celebrate their depravity. Mutilated kids to make yourself feel virtuous and flog coffee. How sick can you be?
These progressives despise the tribal idiocy and amorality of the populist right. But honestly, they are worse. More stupid. More depraved.
But wasn’t Q Anon spot on?
Are not the Democrats championing child abuse that enables its adherents to believe in their own virtue and licences violence on their behalf
But wasn’t Q Anon spot on?
Are not the Democrats championing child abuse that enables its adherents to believe in their own virtue and licences violence on their behalf
Horrific image. Per Cass and study after study in country after country, most kids claiming dysphoria actually have depression, autism, or repressed homosexuality and with suitable care will get better without transitioning to a lifetime of sterility, loss of sexual function, and chronic ill-health.
But, to state the obvious, they obviously thought it would play well with their mostly younger metropolitan clientele.
They could actually be right about that.
The sheer brain dead moral degeneracy and degradation of so many of the self-identified progressive community is quite a thing. Nothing has changed since Orwell wrote about these types.
A comparison with Q Anon is instructive.
Q is a fantasy of democrat child abuse that enables its adherents to believe in their own virtue and licences violence on their behalf. That’s the point.
The ‘Let Trans kids be themselves’ narrative of Trans ideology does exactly the same for progressives. That’s the point.
In fairness to Q Anon the kids in that case don’t exist at all.
Here they do – the child abuse is real. Not even Q Anon go that far. But these people celebrate their depravity. Mutilated kids to make yourself feel virtuous and flog coffee. How sick can you be?
These progressives despise the tribal idiocy and amorality of the populist right. But honestly, they are worse. More stupid. More depraved.
Great article on a truly despicable piece of wokeist corporate madness.
Great article on a truly despicable piece of wokeist corporate madness.
Not many posters of men with genitals removed- wonder why ? Is the Costa Board all men ?
Nice one, Willie!
(so to speak)
Nice one, Willie!
(so to speak)
Not many posters of men with genitals removed- wonder why ? Is the Costa Board all men ?
The ‘born in the wrong body’ trope is specious. But what happens when an outward approximation of the desired body is embarked upon? Has anyone ever come across a trans man to woman who is in a regular hetero seeming relationship with a straight man? Or the converse. Is this really a recipe for a successful and fulfilled life for young people? Don’t most young healthy people want to have plenty of sex and some of them babies too? From what I have heard of many trans people their sexual function is seriously compromised by puberty blockers, meds and operations. They are the victims of Mengele type experimentation by weird and often perverted adults.
Hence the neologism “transmengele”
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=transmengele
Hence the neologism “transmengele”
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=transmengele
The ‘born in the wrong body’ trope is specious. But what happens when an outward approximation of the desired body is embarked upon? Has anyone ever come across a trans man to woman who is in a regular hetero seeming relationship with a straight man? Or the converse. Is this really a recipe for a successful and fulfilled life for young people? Don’t most young healthy people want to have plenty of sex and some of them babies too? From what I have heard of many trans people their sexual function is seriously compromised by puberty blockers, meds and operations. They are the victims of Mengele type experimentation by weird and often perverted adults.
Quite a number of companies are confident that they can abuse many of their customers and still remain viable. And it may be true. If so, then why? Do they switch to other ways of making money such as selling customer information or other such stuff to big data companies? Is their nominal product just a lure?
I can understand that companies that operate hand-in-glove with government, such as regulated industries or non-profits (Quangos to you British?) could do this: they are protected from competition in return for supporting the government or, dare I suggest it, slipping a little cash to the campaign funds of important politicians. But companies not entirely immune to market forces? How do they do it? What do they sell? Whom do they sell it to?
As I said in the my cancelled comment, I think this is a win win for them. Very few people will know what we are talking about or what the picture means (and won’t believe it when told), so they accrue #bekind points while advertising their brand at next to no cost to them.
There are many huge corporations who are willing to take a little dent in profits if they can be in a position to socially engineer the next generation of consumers. It’s a form of grooming.
As I said in the my cancelled comment, I think this is a win win for them. Very few people will know what we are talking about or what the picture means (and won’t believe it when told), so they accrue #bekind points while advertising their brand at next to no cost to them.
There are many huge corporations who are willing to take a little dent in profits if they can be in a position to socially engineer the next generation of consumers. It’s a form of grooming.
Quite a number of companies are confident that they can abuse many of their customers and still remain viable. And it may be true. If so, then why? Do they switch to other ways of making money such as selling customer information or other such stuff to big data companies? Is their nominal product just a lure?
I can understand that companies that operate hand-in-glove with government, such as regulated industries or non-profits (Quangos to you British?) could do this: they are protected from competition in return for supporting the government or, dare I suggest it, slipping a little cash to the campaign funds of important politicians. But companies not entirely immune to market forces? How do they do it? What do they sell? Whom do they sell it to?
“We want everyone that interacts with us to experience the inclusive environment that we create, to encourage people to feel welcomed, free and unashamedly proud to be themselves,”
Unless, of course, you are a white, Christian, European descended, conservative male!!
“We want everyone that interacts with us to experience the inclusive environment that we create, to encourage people to feel welcomed, free and unashamedly proud to be themselves,”
Unless, of course, you are a white, Christian, European descended, conservative male!!
This is pinch-yourself unbelievable. How in the name of sanity is self-harm being touted as fashion?
This is pinch-yourself unbelievable. How in the name of sanity is self-harm being touted as fashion?
Is anything known about the surgeons who carry out these mastectomies for transmen? Do other surgeons think they’re breaking the Hippocratic Oath? If so, we don’t hear from them.
There are surgeons in the USA who boast on social media of their “top” surgery and put up photos of them and their customers. They are customers as it is all private medicine. Never is it called double mastectomy because that is what happens when a woman (or a man) gets breast cancer. Instead it is the cutsie term top surgery like it is not a major procedure which could go very wrong to the point of being life threatening.
There are surgeons in the USA who boast on social media of their “top” surgery and put up photos of them and their customers. They are customers as it is all private medicine. Never is it called double mastectomy because that is what happens when a woman (or a man) gets breast cancer. Instead it is the cutsie term top surgery like it is not a major procedure which could go very wrong to the point of being life threatening.
Is anything known about the surgeons who carry out these mastectomies for transmen? Do other surgeons think they’re breaking the Hippocratic Oath? If so, we don’t hear from them.
Before a double mastectomy these children (not always children but often) have been binding their breasts for months or years causing permanent tissue damage, bruised and damaged ribs and localised chest pain. They then move onto the double mastectomy which is irreversible. To quote abigail shrier in her book Irreversible Damage : “according to Dr, Lappert, eliminating biological capacities merely for the sake of aesthetics is wrong and – in virtually all other areas of medicine – strictly verboten.” “There is no other cosmetic operation where it is considered morally acceptable to destroy a human function.” (Ie a young girl gives up the future possibility of breast feeding). I quote again from Abigail Shrier : “ the procedure comes with risk of infection, seroma, pain, bleeding, oozing, skin flaps, and nipples that resemble cooked hamburger meat.” There is also loss of sexual function.
Has Costa lost its mind? How is this advertising even remotely acceptable?
I always thought Bud Lite was swill and Costa coffee was simply not coffee but brown river mud – AFTER one of our charming water companies had opened the overflow gates.
Before a double mastectomy these children (not always children but often) have been binding their breasts for months or years causing permanent tissue damage, bruised and damaged ribs and localised chest pain. They then move onto the double mastectomy which is irreversible. To quote abigail shrier in her book Irreversible Damage : “according to Dr, Lappert, eliminating biological capacities merely for the sake of aesthetics is wrong and – in virtually all other areas of medicine – strictly verboten.” “There is no other cosmetic operation where it is considered morally acceptable to destroy a human function.” (Ie a young girl gives up the future possibility of breast feeding). I quote again from Abigail Shrier : “ the procedure comes with risk of infection, seroma, pain, bleeding, oozing, skin flaps, and nipples that resemble cooked hamburger meat.” There is also loss of sexual function.
Has Costa lost its mind? How is this advertising even remotely acceptable?
I always thought Bud Lite was swill and Costa coffee was simply not coffee but brown river mud – AFTER one of our charming water companies had opened the overflow gates.
At least 6 comments are missing, including 2 of mine.
I think that is because the comment with the downvotes has been taken down (why????) and that says nothing good about unHerd.
Now reappeared.
Now reappeared.
At least 6 comments are missing, including 2 of mine.
I think that is because the comment with the downvotes has been taken down (why????) and that says nothing good about unHerd.
Do these companies have a marketing strategy? Are there adults in the room when decisions are made? Did a straw poll of colleagues, family and friends and all they saw was a “celebration” of breast cancer on a man. Why would anyone want to give their hard earned cash to a company celebrating cancer? Their shareholders will be proud…
Which is worse: no senior manager signing it off, or a senior manager indeed signing it off?
Which is worse: no senior manager signing it off, or a senior manager indeed signing it off?
Do these companies have a marketing strategy? Are there adults in the room when decisions are made? Did a straw poll of colleagues, family and friends and all they saw was a “celebration” of breast cancer on a man. Why would anyone want to give their hard earned cash to a company celebrating cancer? Their shareholders will be proud…
Move your pension to a SIPP and take out everything that has any connection to DEI or ESG. You’ll wind up richer too.
Move your pension to a SIPP and take out everything that has any connection to DEI or ESG. You’ll wind up richer too.
The title says “…Insult to Women” – can we define “Women” even?
Yes. Adult human female.
Yes. Adult human female.
The title says “…Insult to Women” – can we define “Women” even?
Whenever I go into Costas or Starbucks, a quick count shows that women outnumber men by about 2 to 1.
So if this stuff is really insulting to women, a boycot for a week will result in a quick re-think.
But that won’t happen because the whole thing will be invisible to most people. Only thinkers, writers or women who have a lot of spare time will even notice the ad, let alone think about it. Are we being a little oversensitive here – perhaps looking for something to pick on?
I don’t know why you have received a lot of downvotes. My guess is that you are right and this protest will not take off the way the Bud Light protest did because the average Costa customer will not take on board the undesirability if promoting such mastectomies. Hopefully I am wrong and such hollow virtue signalling will be punished.
By the way I don’t think the writer is being over sensitive even if it is not picked up on in the way the Bud Lite advert was.
You’ve identified why the downvotes were received.
The issue is certainly with the last sentence “Are we being a little oversensitive here – perhaps looking for something to pick on?”
which is something to pick on indeed.
You’ve identified why the downvotes were received.
The issue is certainly with the last sentence “Are we being a little oversensitive here – perhaps looking for something to pick on?”
which is something to pick on indeed.
No Caradog – the add is disgusting.
“Are we being a little oversensitive here – perhaps looking for something to pick on?”
No.
I think you are right and that most people won’t pick on the real meaning of the cartoon, while the company can bathe in the soothing balm of “inclusivity”.
Still, one has to point out the absurdity.
Are you basically saying only women with too much time on their hands will have an opinion? How misogynistic can you be in one comment. I have an extremely busy life and most of that is advocating for equality and the human rights of vulnerable people. I see reading and commenting on these articles as an extension of my work. Get over yourself.
You are probably correct since this whole boycott biz didn’t take off until men got involved.
I don’t know why you have received a lot of downvotes. My guess is that you are right and this protest will not take off the way the Bud Light protest did because the average Costa customer will not take on board the undesirability if promoting such mastectomies. Hopefully I am wrong and such hollow virtue signalling will be punished.
By the way I don’t think the writer is being over sensitive even if it is not picked up on in the way the Bud Lite advert was.
No Caradog – the add is disgusting.
“Are we being a little oversensitive here – perhaps looking for something to pick on?”
No.
I think you are right and that most people won’t pick on the real meaning of the cartoon, while the company can bathe in the soothing balm of “inclusivity”.
Still, one has to point out the absurdity.
Are you basically saying only women with too much time on their hands will have an opinion? How misogynistic can you be in one comment. I have an extremely busy life and most of that is advocating for equality and the human rights of vulnerable people. I see reading and commenting on these articles as an extension of my work. Get over yourself.
You are probably correct since this whole boycott biz didn’t take off until men got involved.
Whenever I go into Costas or Starbucks, a quick count shows that women outnumber men by about 2 to 1.
So if this stuff is really insulting to women, a boycot for a week will result in a quick re-think.
But that won’t happen because the whole thing will be invisible to most people. Only thinkers, writers or women who have a lot of spare time will even notice the ad, let alone think about it. Are we being a little oversensitive here – perhaps looking for something to pick on?