What a one sided piece, biden is a good man, trump is not. I think you will find it is not the republican supporters who have and will carry on rioting it’s the democrat supporters but don’t let facts get in your way! Biden can’t even string 2 words together and is the very definition of a time serving, personal fortune making, corrupt politician. If after 4 years of trump that is the best the democrats could put forward as their candidate then they are out of ideas. P.s. Harris is horrible, insincere and just unlikeable and the real candidate
Harris is not a serious person which has been reiterated by a number of pundits, never mind her far left politics. Biden’s health is of great concern; he’s already had two operations for brain cancer and he’s not quick on the uptake.
jon snow
3 years ago
this article strikes me as a good example of propaganda disguised as analysis. bidens campaign is all light and unity… trump wants to harness the dark energy of division and ride it to victory. do you smell what your are shovelling?
There is, as you say, more propaganda in this article than in either of the campaigns. Sadly, we don’t expect anything else of the media class these days. That is why I no longer fund it in any way whatsoever.
Surely just by accessing an article like this, you are exposed to the adverts, and are therefore unavoidably “funding” the media. Even if the page this article appears on is ad-free, you had to bypass a lot of ads to get here, no? Interested to know…
What adverts? I see none of the pop-up ads (or any other kind) that are such a nuisance on other sites. Is it just the browser I use? Is it my settings? Interested to know…
No, you’re right (apart from the odd Fox News ad, or in-house ads for Spec Life, for example, which I’m sure no one minds) the Spectator site is ad-free, which is great. But, Fraser was referring to not funding the media, in general, and to access most media, you do have to bypass loads of irritating ads. So in a sense, just to devour one’s daily content of hard news or opinion pieces from the widest range of platforms possible, you do have to choke down the fluff and chaff, no?
The phrase i used more often is ‘directly fund’ i.e. I don’t buy, or subscribe to, any newspapers, magazine or websites etc. And there was a time when I bought a lot of newspapers and magazines etc. I have no problem with ads – nobody forces me to take any notice of them or to click on them.
Mike SampleName
3 years ago
Even without subscribing to counter-extremism think tanks, just on Twitter and Reddit, I see people encouraging violence, unrest, looting and rioting, “planning pitched battles” in the aftermath of the election – regardless of who wins. To continue and intensify what has been going on every night for the last six months.
Guess what? They ain’t Trump supporters.
David George
3 years ago
Watch Trump’s July 4th Mt Rushmore speech. It was patriotic and unifying, Americans, past present and future, all races together. Divisive? Propaganda? No.
Alex Lekas
3 years ago
Ellul saw the country’s over-intense insistence on its cohesive identity as a symptom of uncertainty about whether it could hold together. Without cohesion, society falls apart. How’s immigration without assimilation working out for Europe? In the US, we are gifted with the bright minds who on one hand tout multi-culturalism while on the other, complaining about “appropriation.” Sorry, kids, but appropriation is a feature of a multi-culti society, not a bug.
We also have the diversity and inclusion industry whose basis is the cosmetic differences among us. No organization was ever successful by fixating on the differences within the ranks. Those differences were necessarily secondary to the a unity of purpose in accomplishing the goal at hand. The rise of identity politics is one means of tearing away at the unity, with predictable results.
Jim le Messurier
3 years ago
Judging from this article and so many like it, it seems as if absolutely nothing was learned after Trump’s victory 2016. Back in the day, students who failed an exam were made to stay in the same class another term until they could retake and pass the exam. Perhaps the lesson needs to be repeated. If a Trump win happens, the tantrums from the radical left will be truly and eye-wateringly spectacular, and alot of mischief will be done, but Trump won’t be able to stand again, a more acceptable Republican leader like Pence will take over, and things could calm down as Trump’s tenure winds up in 2024. This outcome might well be preferable to the headlong plunge into Critical Theory imbued dystopia that a Biden win will precipitate, which will take decades to reverse and could be the point of no return for America.
Trevor Mapstone
3 years ago
Minor point: Jacques Ellul was not a Catholic. He was a Christian anarchist with roots in the Reformed tradition.
halkolamom
3 years ago
Nonsense and foolishness.
Hardee Hodges
3 years ago
Propaganda? We expect the ads. They are uniformly trite and can only target a few who are remarkably clueless in following daily news. Trump’s election wasn’t so much for him, the person, as others have observed, but for a change to poll tested talking points created to influence thought in a given direction. Those talking points are spouted by insincere hypocritical politicians who really care little for the people they claim to represent. If Biden wins it will be a victory for an unrelenting press anxious to get Trump out of the way before he can do real damage. Following a Biden accession one might imagine a revolt against both the media and politicians in the mid-terms. The next few weeks will be interesting to watch.
Cathy Carron
3 years ago
“Trump seems to be hoping that the forces driving America apart are so strong he can further fuel them, then ride them to victory ” or at least into confusion.”
The above statement is false, hogwash even. I agree with the premise of the essay in that America has been held together by an overarching mythology being that of ‘The Great Melting Pot’, But his characterizations of the two campaigns are WAY off. Since the 1960’s the Left /Democrats have been promoting ‘multi-culturalism’, the underlying premise of which was that you didn’t really need to assimilate to be an ‘American’. The good impulse to that movement was to appreciate everyone’s uniqueness, but over the years it careened off the road to become a cesspit of ‘political correctness’ and ‘identity politics’. People voted for Trump because they were tired of the Left’s constant support of this movement versus striving for an ‘American’ first electorate. They were tired of hyphenating ethnicities, ie. African-America, Latino-American, etc. Folks voted for Trump because they crave a togetherness, an Americanness which Trump has fostered and promoted. Even today, folks who support Trump usually have posted an American flag out front go their houses, afraid of the vitriole from the rabid Left, who feel more than comfortable placing Biden/Harris signs outside. New immigrants ‘get it’ – and are more supportive of Trump than might be expected. I for one, was rather stunned when my housecleaner (a legal Ecuadorian) announced she was voting for Trump and was trying to get her friends to do likewise. It is very exciting that they are not being pulled into the Left’s ‘divisiveness’. Their desire to become a part of the Melting Pot, to be an ‘American’ is palpable. The Left is missing this entirely.
Jonathan Barker
3 years ago
Golly gosh! Seems like well reasoned balanced essay to me. But then again it seems to me that the Orange Haired Behemoth is actually a reverse Midas character. Instead of gold everything that he touches turns into that brown smelly stuff
Meanwhile I saw a headline stating that the Orange Haired miracle worker has now promised to put a woman on the Moon, and send an astronaut to Mars. Never mind that America’s infrastructure is crumbling. And its water supply system is in parlous state requiring billions of dollars to fix it.
Are you not familiar with the economic ideas of Leibniz as championed by Lyndon LaRouche? Even if eventually you find you do not agree with his ideas, and you have to hold your nose and overlook his weird cult and troubled life, they are worth learning about in order to understand why nationalists, who in other ways do not look beyond a country’s own borders, look to the space race to provide the catalyst for improving educational standards and boosting manufacturing etc.
Jonathan Barker
3 years ago
In his 1985 book Amusing Ourselves To Death Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business Neil Postman described the situation as it was in 1985.
Meanwhile 35 years later the situation is much much worse by many degrees with the Orange Haired Behemoth being the consummate manipulative showman/huckster and life long professional grifter too.
The modern dreadfully sane everyman of consumer society is a propagandized individual, participating in a “culture” of illusions, both secular and so called religious. At present, a “culture” of total war, a “culture” of death is ruling, while the people are engrossed in self-destructive consumerism. The power of industry and money has actually become senior to the power of governments, and is now controlling the entire world.
Under the control of Larry (the) Fink Blackrock alone controls 6.5 trillion dollars of economic power.
What a one sided piece, biden is a good man, trump is not.
I think you will find it is not the republican supporters who have and will carry on rioting it’s the democrat supporters but don’t let facts get in your way!
Biden can’t even string 2 words together and is the very definition of a time serving, personal fortune making, corrupt politician.
If after 4 years of trump that is the best the democrats could put forward as their candidate then they are out of ideas.
P.s. Harris is horrible, insincere and just unlikeable and the real candidate
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Harris is not a serious person which has been reiterated by a number of pundits, never mind her far left politics. Biden’s health is of great concern; he’s already had two operations for brain cancer and he’s not quick on the uptake.
this article strikes me as a good example of propaganda disguised as analysis. bidens campaign is all light and unity… trump wants to harness the dark energy of division and ride it to victory. do you smell what your are shovelling?
There is, as you say, more propaganda in this article than in either of the campaigns. Sadly, we don’t expect anything else of the media class these days. That is why I no longer fund it in any way whatsoever.
Surely just by accessing an article like this, you are exposed to the adverts, and are therefore unavoidably “funding” the media. Even if the page this article appears on is ad-free, you had to bypass a lot of ads to get here, no? Interested to know…
What adverts? I see none of the pop-up ads (or any other kind) that are such a nuisance on other sites. Is it just the browser I use? Is it my settings? Interested to know…
No, you’re right (apart from the odd Fox News ad, or in-house ads for Spec Life, for example, which I’m sure no one minds) the Spectator site is ad-free, which is great. But, Fraser was referring to not funding the media, in general, and to access most media, you do have to bypass loads of irritating ads. So in a sense, just to devour one’s daily content of hard news or opinion pieces from the widest range of platforms possible, you do have to choke down the fluff and chaff, no?
The phrase i used more often is ‘directly fund’ i.e. I don’t buy, or subscribe to, any newspapers, magazine or websites etc. And there was a time when I bought a lot of newspapers and magazines etc. I have no problem with ads – nobody forces me to take any notice of them or to click on them.
Even without subscribing to counter-extremism think tanks, just on Twitter and Reddit, I see people encouraging violence, unrest, looting and rioting, “planning pitched battles” in the aftermath of the election – regardless of who wins. To continue and intensify what has been going on every night for the last six months.
Guess what? They ain’t Trump supporters.
Watch Trump’s July 4th Mt Rushmore speech. It was patriotic and unifying, Americans, past present and future, all races together. Divisive? Propaganda? No.
Ellul saw the country’s over-intense insistence on its cohesive identity as a symptom of uncertainty about whether it could hold together.
Without cohesion, society falls apart. How’s immigration without assimilation working out for Europe? In the US, we are gifted with the bright minds who on one hand tout multi-culturalism while on the other, complaining about “appropriation.” Sorry, kids, but appropriation is a feature of a multi-culti society, not a bug.
We also have the diversity and inclusion industry whose basis is the cosmetic differences among us. No organization was ever successful by fixating on the differences within the ranks. Those differences were necessarily secondary to the a unity of purpose in accomplishing the goal at hand. The rise of identity politics is one means of tearing away at the unity, with predictable results.
Judging from this article and so many like it, it seems as if absolutely nothing was learned after Trump’s victory 2016. Back in the day, students who failed an exam were made to stay in the same class another term until they could retake and pass the exam. Perhaps the lesson needs to be repeated. If a Trump win happens, the tantrums from the radical left will be truly and eye-wateringly spectacular, and alot of mischief will be done, but Trump won’t be able to stand again, a more acceptable Republican leader like Pence will take over, and things could calm down as Trump’s tenure winds up in 2024. This outcome might well be preferable to the headlong plunge into Critical Theory imbued dystopia that a Biden win will precipitate, which will take decades to reverse and could be the point of no return for America.
Minor point: Jacques Ellul was not a Catholic. He was a Christian anarchist with roots in the Reformed tradition.
Nonsense and foolishness.
Propaganda? We expect the ads. They are uniformly trite and can only target a few who are remarkably clueless in following daily news. Trump’s election wasn’t so much for him, the person, as others have observed, but for a change to poll tested talking points created to influence thought in a given direction. Those talking points are spouted by insincere hypocritical politicians who really care little for the people they claim to represent. If Biden wins it will be a victory for an unrelenting press anxious to get Trump out of the way before he can do real damage. Following a Biden accession one might imagine a revolt against both the media and politicians in the mid-terms. The next few weeks will be interesting to watch.
“Trump seems to be hoping that the forces driving America apart are so strong he can further fuel them, then ride them to victory ” or at least into confusion.”
The above statement is false, hogwash even. I agree with the premise of the essay in that America has been held together by an overarching mythology being that of ‘The Great Melting Pot’, But his characterizations of the two campaigns are WAY off. Since the 1960’s the Left /Democrats have been promoting ‘multi-culturalism’, the underlying premise of which was that you didn’t really need to assimilate to be an ‘American’. The good impulse to that movement was to appreciate everyone’s uniqueness, but over the years it careened off the road to become a cesspit of ‘political correctness’ and ‘identity politics’. People voted for Trump because they were tired of the Left’s constant support of this movement versus striving for an ‘American’ first electorate. They were tired of hyphenating ethnicities, ie. African-America, Latino-American, etc. Folks voted for Trump because they crave a togetherness, an Americanness which Trump has fostered and promoted. Even today, folks who support Trump usually have posted an American flag out front go their houses, afraid of the vitriole from the rabid Left, who feel more than comfortable placing Biden/Harris signs outside. New immigrants ‘get it’ – and are more supportive of Trump than might be expected. I for one, was rather stunned when my housecleaner (a legal Ecuadorian) announced she was voting for Trump and was trying to get her friends to do likewise. It is very exciting that they are not being pulled into the Left’s ‘divisiveness’. Their desire to become a part of the Melting Pot, to be an ‘American’ is palpable. The Left is missing this entirely.
Golly gosh!
Seems like well reasoned balanced essay to me.
But then again it seems to me that the Orange Haired Behemoth is actually a reverse Midas character. Instead of gold everything that he touches turns into that brown smelly stuff
Meanwhile I saw a headline stating that the Orange Haired miracle worker has now promised to put a woman on the Moon, and send an astronaut to Mars. Never mind that America’s infrastructure is crumbling. And its water supply system is in parlous state requiring billions of dollars to fix it.
Are you not familiar with the economic ideas of Leibniz as championed by Lyndon LaRouche? Even if eventually you find you do not agree with his ideas, and you have to hold your nose and overlook his weird cult and troubled life, they are worth learning about in order to understand why nationalists, who in other ways do not look beyond a country’s own borders, look to the space race to provide the catalyst for improving educational standards and boosting manufacturing etc.
In his 1985 book Amusing Ourselves To Death Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business Neil Postman described the situation as it was in 1985.
Meanwhile 35 years later the situation is much much worse by many degrees with the Orange Haired Behemoth being the consummate manipulative showman/huckster and life long professional grifter too.
The modern dreadfully sane everyman of consumer society is a propagandized individual, participating in a “culture” of illusions, both secular and so called religious.
At present, a “culture” of total war, a “culture” of death is ruling, while the people are engrossed in self-destructive consumerism.
The power of industry and money has actually become senior to the power of governments, and is now controlling the entire world.
Under the control of Larry (the) Fink Blackrock alone controls 6.5 trillion dollars of economic power.