The article significantly underestimates this phenomenon by implying it will only affect bigots and loonies at an unspecified date somewhere in the distant future.
This week saw the most valuable public listing of shares in history namely the $34 billion offering of around 10% of the shares of Ant Group on the Hongkong and Shanghai exchanges. It values the group founded by Chinese billionaire Jack Ma of Alibaba fame at slightly over $300 billion. Its flagship product is Alipay, the dominant payment system in China which last year processed over $17 trillion in transactions for nearly 1 billion customers.
Many Chinese companies are required by law to share their customer information with the Chinese Communist Party but that is not even the main issue here.
The near future will see the vast majority of the payments we make processed by Alipay, Paypal, ApplePay and their clones as cash is phased out. They will have a history of every transaction we make including which magazines we read, our political leanings, every product we have ever bought, whether we are behind on our mortgage, our salaries (or lack thereof) with virtually no effective regulation of how that information is used or sold.
The result for many ordinary people will not be just the inconvenience of switching bank accounts as described in the article. Those deemed either financially or ideologically “risky” will be surprised to learn that their applications for a mortgage, life insurance, bank account, credit card or even employment will be rejected without any reason given and with no legal recourse.
While our politicians and media are easily distracted by such trivia as pronoun usage I would encourage constituents to lobby their MP’s on the incredibly important issue raised by the article before it is too late.
Exactly right. I had no idea this kind of deplatforming was taking place. It is completely appalling, regardless of who it is directed against. Giant international banks enforcing Wokeness against the rest of us is truly a dystopian nightmare, and yet we see it coming into view.
Drahcir Nevarc
3 years ago
First they came for the alt right cranks, and I did not speak out, because I was not an alt right crank.
They are resisting ethnic minority status in their own land, which is imminent. Their proposal of assisted voluntary repatriation of immigrants and their descendants was Conservative government policy in the ’60s and ’70s. Were Africans being displaced in their native lands by Europeans at anything like the same rate, to say nothing of the crime and violence, “anti-racists” or “the left” would be defending their right to national self-determination. Why is it wrong for Europeans not to be ethnic minorities in their ancestral homelands but right for everyone else? As the great truth-teller of our time Rene Girard put it: ‘Not only is the revolt against ethnocentrism an invention of the West, it cannot be found outside the West’.
‘Alt-right cranks’? Assisted voluntary repatriation of immigrants and their descendants was Conservative government policy under Ted Heath and Margaret Thatcher when the numbers were a fraction of what they are now. ‘Minority’ births will be a majority before 2030; British schoolchildren a minority in British schools by 2035. Ethnic minority status and eventual dissolution of natives is mathematically guaranteed by fertility rates alone, never mind further influx. David Hume author of a monumental History of England and very based on race must be turning in his grave to see his people being outnumbered by Asians and Africans. If the roles were reversed and Africans in their lands were being displaced by Europeans, the same ‘refugees welcome’ ‘anti-racists’ would be defending the Africans’ in the name of “self-determination”.
The UK’s recent history of unprecedented demographic growth has seriously adverse consequences: an entrenched and deepening housing crisis, overwhelmed public services, squeezed C2DE wages etc. In the circumstances, advocacy of immigration control is a matter of ethically-informed common sense, not alt-right crankery.
Well, you’re right. One has only to do the numbers to see that in parts of the country the indigenous people will be in the minority within a generation. It’s the deathwish of the liberal Establishment who somehow think they will be above it all, or that the cultures will merge to become one large happy diverse community. A bit like Lebanon, or Burundi
Funny how those who advocate open borders mainly believe colonialism was an evil project. A bit contradictory surely, if you think it was a bad thing to live under British rule in Africa, why is it a human right to live under it here?
Indeed. I’m a Scottish Independence campaigner. As part of that I’m a member of the insurgent Independence for Scotland Party (ISP) but a bit more than that, on the national policy committee and local branch Treasurer. In advance of setting up the Branch bank account this has given me pause.
The governing SNP do not like us even though we won’t be taking seats of them and we are Yes too. The Unionist parties don’t like us because we WILL be taking seats off them.
Separating us from our money and ability to fundraise could easily stifle us. Yet we are nothing if not absolute democrats. We have good internal party democracy, unlike the modern SNP for eg.
I agree, if they use this to go after the racist right now, where will it end?
Did I mention we are very much in favour of Women’s Rights and against Self ID? See where I’m going here?
Mark M
3 years ago
On another point, is it really scandalous to say that Islam is a religion in which “homosexuals are oppressed”, and “women are abused” and “forced to wear the hijab.”?
The countries in the world where homosexuality is a capital offence are:- Brunei, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Sudan, Mauritania and parts of Nigeria and Somalia. Spot the common factor.
And surely there is good reason to suggest that women are not totally free and equal in Islamic counties – even though they are now allowed to drive a car in Saudi Arabia.
I’d presumed he was being sarcastic when he said that, perhaps I’m wrong
Swiveleyed Loon
3 years ago
Every time I read about something like this I try and work out how to fight it.
Banks have to be licensed. It would be easy to make it a condition of holding a banking license that exclusion of a new or existing customer must be subject to a right of appeal by that customer, and that appeal must be subject to the ordinary rules of jurisprudence. For example, the bank would have to explain why the customer has been excluded and disclose the evidence on which the decision was based, and I think such hearings would have to be open but with the customer’s identity protected. A customer who has behaved unlawfully or unreasonably would lose their appeal. Clearly any reasons for exclusion which contravene existing legislation, including the laws relating to discrimination, rehabilitation of offenders, etc. would be ineffective. It might also be necessary to restrict banks from excluding customers because of anything they have said or written unless those statements contravene an existing law, for example the laws against incitement.
That might deal satisfactorily with the banks. What about social media? At the moment platforms like Twitter, Facebook, Google in all its various guises, but particularly Youtube, etc., do not have to be licensed. I see no reason why this should continue to be the case.
It might be possible to draft a general law that prevents any organisation, public or private, from excluding anyone who complies with their ordinary (and reasonable) terms of business, without providing an appeals procedure of the kind I have outlined.
Is there a barrister on here who would be willing to discuss this?
It is not up to the banks or any commercial organisation to be judge and jury on whether a customer has broken any law unrelated to its operations. I agree about using the banking licence to control the activities of a bank and limit its ability to damage a citizen’s life. But is a modern Government/civil service capable of withstanding the power of the huge financial corporations, especially when their own inclinations are to clamp down on “awkward customers”?
Extremely well expressed & I’m almost 100% in agreement with you except for 1 slight err whereby I’d have to disagree with them being classed as platforms when they clearly use & abuse their ability to take editorial roles in which case they are quite literally PUBLISHERS & should be treated as such.
Mark M
3 years ago
In 2004 Barclays Bank did the same thing to the BNP. As a UK political party needs a UK bank account for practical reasons (and possibly as a legal requirement?) this could give the banks the power who is allowed to stand in elections. Expect more of this sort of thing now that far-left activists realise this is a strategy that works pretty much every time i.e. don’t bother with any of this tedious debate business, just punish the individual for holding views they regard as unacceptable to them. Banks, corporations, public bodies, universities will always cave in.
They’re not caving in. They’re spear-heading this. The far-left are just their useful idiots.
bob alob
3 years ago
“Right of admission is always reserved ” we all know this ” and you might say that these examples are just the market at work”, Not really true though in these cases, pressure was brought to bear on all these institutions by activists to have these people cancelled, the Companies concerned would not have taken any action like this until pressured to do so, having now done so though they have accepted it as their responsibility to prop up the cultural left and must now continue to do so with minimal effort on the part of those activists, an extremely sinister development.
Paul Marks
3 years ago
Mr Haynes you started with someone who, you claim, hates Jews – but then you went on to other people who I know do NOT hate Jews (indeed some of whom actually are Jewish) and you called them all “Alt Right”. Do you have a definition for this term or does it just mean “people I disagree with”? For example, Carl Benjamin (“Sargon”) spent much of his time in fierce arguments AGAINST racists (he even turned their own terms of abuse against them – calling white Nazis the “N word” and arguing that the white Nazis behaved as they claimed his ancestors did, the grandfather of Mr Benjamin being black).
However, your basic point is correct, If banks and other “Woke” Corporations can discriminate against people on the basis of their political opinions then freedom becomes a “legal fiction” – one is, essentially “free to starve” denied employment or even payment services. In the “Cashless Society” pushed by Agenda 21 Agenda 2030 (and the general “Build Back Better” dominance of the economy by a handful of “Woke” Corporations, with all small business being destroyed by government regulations) dissenters would indeed face the situation that people in China do when the “Social Credit” system decides it does not like them. Cash allows people to trade without knowing the political or cultural opinions of the people they are trading with – the system supported by the World Economic Forum (and other such) would destroy liberty by destroying its economic basis.
Would I allow freedom to people who hate me? Yes I would – even if they think I should be gassed (as my father’s cousins were gassed), For it is violating actions, not opinions, that should be punished.
Matt Sylvestre
3 years ago
Horrifying – We don’t need government to bring on dystopia, we can do quite nicely ourselves.
md616
3 years ago
Excellent article , thanks for highlighting.
Jos Haynes
3 years ago
I am sure everyone who makes a comment on this or any other forum understands that it will become part of the database on everyone’s proclivities (consumption, sexual, political etc). If one really wants to hide from the prying eyes of our commercial and political masters then one will never make a comment, a purchase or anything else which leaves a footprint. And browsing will be via a VPN only. For most of us, that is nigh on impossible these days. It is only a matter of time before “our” information is used against us.
Arthur Seagrange
3 years ago
This is Britain today. First they undermined our faith and family, then they took away our guns, then they took away our freedom of speech, then they re-wrote our history, mocked our culture and traditions, then they used mass immigration to begin to replace us with compliant voters many of whom hate us and our country and promote them above us. Now they are taking away our freedoms. They even turned our vote to be free with Brexit into globalism and are selling our country wholesale to China and the Gulf. Stand behind the Patriot President America! Your last hope. Don’t become an authoritarian police state like Britain. Reject socialism even if it hides behind conservatism.
Paul Booth
3 years ago
The nerve of them!
ard10027
3 years ago
If ever there was an opportunity for the European Union to justify its existence, here it is. Transnational legislation to stop banks and businesses like PayPal refusing services to anyone except for very strict and stated reasons which can be challenged could be passed quickly and brought into force without delay. The reason they’re not is because most MEPs are lefties and approve of harassment and persecution against people who don’t see things their way. The banks have shown themselves to be utter parasites over the last ten years or so. They’ve taken literally billions in taxpayers hard earned to keep themselves afloat and now actually CHARGE customers for the privilege of holding their money and getting even richer off investing it for themselves. Time to start pushing back.
luca.rajna
3 years ago
Fantastic. A new step to Revelation 13:16-18.
cap0119
3 years ago
Yet, in the U.S., Federal law forbids a landlord to refuse to rent to a gay person or a Mormon, or a company to hire a black person. Hmmm.
Derek M
3 years ago
Given their support for the repressive policies of the Chinese Communist Party it’s unsurprising that HSBC should be involved
patriciaacanon
3 years ago
Good article, but why must you leftists demonize and stereotype people you don’t know and don’t understand? It just never ends with you freaks. Laura Loomer is a Jewish-American journalists, not some “alt-right” bigot. The Proud Boys are a multi-racial group, not at all involved in racism. What they do is go to political rallies to protect normal people from Antifa and BLM (leftists, like yourselves). They protect people from actual racial violence, whereas you smear people for imaginary racism. At least get your facts straight. Here is another fact: the leaders of the alt-right are nothing but Democrat operatives, kinown operatives. Just as Antifa and BLM are Democrat terror organizations. If you click on Antifa.com you will open a Democrat Party website. They fund each other. Brittney Pettibone and Sellner are hardly racists. They are fighting for the preservation of Europe, a lost cause at this point, thanks to leftists like you. European people have a right to exist. This is not racist. They do not want to be conquered by jihadis. Thanks to the incapacity of the left for rational thinking, Europe will probably fall to Islam. American people, too, have a right not to be beaten and killed in the streets by leftist crazies. Opposing that is not racism. The tens of millions of people you would label as “alt-right” includes people from all over the world – Chinese, Vietnamese, Cubans, Mexicans, blacks and whites and others. The ugly name-calling, the slander and mischaracterizations of others needs to stop. You destroy your own credibility in so doing.
davidsimmonds0
3 years ago
“claiming, scandalously, that Omar was part of a religion in which “homosexuals are oppressed”, and “women are abused””
Complete lunacy to suggest anything of the sort. The world knows that Islam is particularly friendly to homosexuals.
I’m 99% certain that was irony! I’m not being ironic myself incidentally. I’ve had comments like that deleted from the Guardian, where they are fearless defenders of the ROP!
The article significantly underestimates this phenomenon by implying it will only affect bigots and loonies at an unspecified date somewhere in the distant future.
This week saw the most valuable public listing of shares in history namely the $34 billion offering of around 10% of the shares of Ant Group on the Hongkong and Shanghai exchanges. It values the group founded by Chinese billionaire Jack Ma of Alibaba fame at slightly over $300 billion. Its flagship product is Alipay, the dominant payment system in China which last year processed over $17 trillion in transactions for nearly 1 billion customers.
Many Chinese companies are required by law to share their customer information with the Chinese Communist Party but that is not even the main issue here.
The near future will see the vast majority of the payments we make processed by Alipay, Paypal, ApplePay and their clones as cash is phased out. They will have a history of every transaction we make including which magazines we read, our political leanings, every product we have ever bought, whether we are behind on our mortgage, our salaries (or lack thereof) with virtually no effective regulation of how that information is used or sold.
The result for many ordinary people will not be just the inconvenience of switching bank accounts as described in the article. Those deemed either financially or ideologically “risky” will be surprised to learn that their applications for a mortgage, life insurance, bank account, credit card or even employment will be rejected without any reason given and with no legal recourse.
While our politicians and media are easily distracted by such trivia as pronoun usage I would encourage constituents to lobby their MP’s on the incredibly important issue raised by the article before it is too late.
Exactly right. I had no idea this kind of deplatforming was taking place. It is completely appalling, regardless of who it is directed against. Giant international banks enforcing Wokeness against the rest of us is truly a dystopian nightmare, and yet we see it coming into view.
First they came for the alt right cranks, and I did not speak out, because I was not an alt right crank.
Exactly. I’ve got no time for Laura Towler’s views, but I’ll defend her right to hold them and express them to the death, as the cliché goes.
They are resisting ethnic minority status in their own land, which is imminent. Their proposal of assisted voluntary repatriation of immigrants and their descendants was Conservative government policy in the ’60s and ’70s. Were Africans being displaced in their native lands by Europeans at anything like the same rate, to say nothing of the crime and violence, “anti-racists” or “the left” would be defending their right to national self-determination. Why is it wrong for Europeans not to be ethnic minorities in their ancestral homelands but right for everyone else? As the great truth-teller of our time Rene Girard put it: ‘Not only is the revolt against ethnocentrism an invention of the West, it cannot be found outside the West’.
‘Alt-right cranks’? Assisted voluntary repatriation of immigrants and their descendants was Conservative government policy under Ted Heath and Margaret Thatcher when the numbers were a fraction of what they are now. ‘Minority’ births will be a majority before 2030; British schoolchildren a minority in British schools by 2035. Ethnic minority status and eventual dissolution of natives is mathematically guaranteed by fertility rates alone, never mind further influx. David Hume author of a monumental History of England and very based on race must be turning in his grave to see his people being outnumbered by Asians and Africans. If the roles were reversed and Africans in their lands were being displaced by Europeans, the same ‘refugees welcome’ ‘anti-racists’ would be defending the Africans’ in the name of “self-determination”.
The UK’s recent history of unprecedented demographic growth has seriously adverse consequences: an entrenched and deepening housing crisis, overwhelmed public services, squeezed C2DE wages etc. In the circumstances, advocacy of immigration control is a matter of ethically-informed common sense, not alt-right crankery.
Well, you’re right. One has only to do the numbers to see that in parts of the country the indigenous people will be in the minority within a generation. It’s the deathwish of the liberal Establishment who somehow think they will be above it all, or that the cultures will merge to become one large happy diverse community. A bit like Lebanon, or Burundi
Funny how those who advocate open borders mainly believe colonialism was an evil project. A bit contradictory surely, if you think it was a bad thing to live under British rule in Africa, why is it a human right to live under it here?
Indeed. I’m a Scottish Independence campaigner. As part of that I’m a member of the insurgent Independence for Scotland Party (ISP) but a bit more than that, on the national policy committee and local branch Treasurer. In advance of setting up the Branch bank account this has given me pause.
The governing SNP do not like us even though we won’t be taking seats of them and we are Yes too. The Unionist parties don’t like us because we WILL be taking seats off them.
Separating us from our money and ability to fundraise could easily stifle us. Yet we are nothing if not absolute democrats. We have good internal party democracy, unlike the modern SNP for eg.
I agree, if they use this to go after the racist right now, where will it end?
Did I mention we are very much in favour of Women’s Rights and against Self ID? See where I’m going here?
On another point, is it really scandalous to say that Islam is a religion in which “homosexuals are oppressed”, and “women are abused” and “forced to wear the hijab.”?
The countries in the world where homosexuality is a capital offence are:- Brunei, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Sudan, Mauritania and parts of Nigeria and Somalia. Spot the common factor.
And surely there is good reason to suggest that women are not totally free and equal in Islamic counties – even though they are now allowed to drive a car in Saudi Arabia.
I’d presumed he was being sarcastic when he said that, perhaps I’m wrong
Every time I read about something like this I try and work out how to fight it.
Banks have to be licensed. It would be easy to make it a condition of holding a banking license that exclusion of a new or existing customer must be subject to a right of appeal by that customer, and that appeal must be subject to the ordinary rules of jurisprudence. For example, the bank would have to explain why the customer has been excluded and disclose the evidence on which the decision was based, and I think such hearings would have to be open but with the customer’s identity protected. A customer who has behaved unlawfully or unreasonably would lose their appeal. Clearly any reasons for exclusion which contravene existing legislation, including the laws relating to discrimination, rehabilitation of offenders, etc. would be ineffective. It might also be necessary to restrict banks from excluding customers because of anything they have said or written unless those statements contravene an existing law, for example the laws against incitement.
That might deal satisfactorily with the banks. What about social media? At the moment platforms like Twitter, Facebook, Google in all its various guises, but particularly Youtube, etc., do not have to be licensed. I see no reason why this should continue to be the case.
It might be possible to draft a general law that prevents any organisation, public or private, from excluding anyone who complies with their ordinary (and reasonable) terms of business, without providing an appeals procedure of the kind I have outlined.
Is there a barrister on here who would be willing to discuss this?
Could be a job for the Free Speech Union.
In case you haven’t seen their site here’s a link:
https://freespeechunion.org
It is not up to the banks or any commercial organisation to be judge and jury on whether a customer has broken any law unrelated to its operations. I agree about using the banking licence to control the activities of a bank and limit its ability to damage a citizen’s life. But is a modern Government/civil service capable of withstanding the power of the huge financial corporations, especially when their own inclinations are to clamp down on “awkward customers”?
Extremely well expressed & I’m almost 100% in agreement with you except for 1 slight err whereby I’d have to disagree with them being classed as platforms when they clearly use & abuse their ability to take editorial roles in which case they are quite literally PUBLISHERS & should be treated as such.
In 2004 Barclays Bank did the same thing to the BNP. As a UK political party needs a UK bank account for practical reasons (and possibly as a legal requirement?) this could give the banks the power who is allowed to stand in elections. Expect more of this sort of thing now that far-left activists realise this is a strategy that works pretty much every time i.e. don’t bother with any of this tedious debate business, just punish the individual for holding views they regard as unacceptable to them. Banks, corporations, public bodies, universities will always cave in.
They’re not caving in. They’re spear-heading this. The far-left are just their useful idiots.
“Right of admission is always reserved ” we all know this ” and you might say that these examples are just the market at work”, Not really true though in these cases, pressure was brought to bear on all these institutions by activists to have these people cancelled, the Companies concerned would not have taken any action like this until pressured to do so, having now done so though they have accepted it as their responsibility to prop up the cultural left and must now continue to do so with minimal effort on the part of those activists, an extremely sinister development.
Mr Haynes you started with someone who, you claim, hates Jews – but then you went on to other people who I know do NOT hate Jews (indeed some of whom actually are Jewish) and you called them all “Alt Right”. Do you have a definition for this term or does it just mean “people I disagree with”? For example, Carl Benjamin (“Sargon”) spent much of his time in fierce arguments AGAINST racists (he even turned their own terms of abuse against them – calling white Nazis the “N word” and arguing that the white Nazis behaved as they claimed his ancestors did, the grandfather of Mr Benjamin being black).
However, your basic point is correct, If banks and other “Woke” Corporations can discriminate against people on the basis of their political opinions then freedom becomes a “legal fiction” – one is, essentially “free to starve” denied employment or even payment services. In the “Cashless Society” pushed by Agenda 21 Agenda 2030 (and the general “Build Back Better” dominance of the economy by a handful of “Woke” Corporations, with all small business being destroyed by government regulations) dissenters would indeed face the situation that people in China do when the “Social Credit” system decides it does not like them. Cash allows people to trade without knowing the political or cultural opinions of the people they are trading with – the system supported by the World Economic Forum (and other such) would destroy liberty by destroying its economic basis.
Would I allow freedom to people who hate me? Yes I would – even if they think I should be gassed (as my father’s cousins were gassed), For it is violating actions, not opinions, that should be punished.
Horrifying – We don’t need government to bring on dystopia, we can do quite nicely ourselves.
Excellent article , thanks for highlighting.
I am sure everyone who makes a comment on this or any other forum understands that it will become part of the database on everyone’s proclivities (consumption, sexual, political etc). If one really wants to hide from the prying eyes of our commercial and political masters then one will never make a comment, a purchase or anything else which leaves a footprint. And browsing will be via a VPN only. For most of us, that is nigh on impossible these days. It is only a matter of time before “our” information is used against us.
This is Britain today. First they undermined our faith and family, then they took away our guns, then they took away our freedom of speech, then they re-wrote our history, mocked our culture and traditions, then they used mass immigration to begin to replace us with compliant voters many of whom hate us and our country and promote them above us. Now they are taking away our freedoms. They even turned our vote to be free with Brexit into globalism and are selling our country wholesale to China and the Gulf. Stand behind the Patriot President America! Your last hope. Don’t become an authoritarian police state like Britain. Reject socialism even if it hides behind conservatism.
The nerve of them!
If ever there was an opportunity for the European Union to justify its existence, here it is. Transnational legislation to stop banks and businesses like PayPal refusing services to anyone except for very strict and stated reasons which can be challenged could be passed quickly and brought into force without delay. The reason they’re not is because most MEPs are lefties and approve of harassment and persecution against people who don’t see things their way. The banks have shown themselves to be utter parasites over the last ten years or so. They’ve taken literally billions in taxpayers hard earned to keep themselves afloat and now actually CHARGE customers for the privilege of holding their money and getting even richer off investing it for themselves. Time to start pushing back.
Fantastic. A new step to Revelation 13:16-18.
Yet, in the U.S., Federal law forbids a landlord to refuse to rent to a gay person or a Mormon, or a company to hire a black person. Hmmm.
Given their support for the repressive policies of the Chinese Communist Party it’s unsurprising that HSBC should be involved
Good article, but why must you leftists demonize and stereotype people you don’t know and don’t understand? It just never ends with you freaks. Laura Loomer is a Jewish-American journalists, not some “alt-right” bigot. The Proud Boys are a multi-racial group, not at all involved in racism. What they do is go to political rallies to protect normal people from Antifa and BLM (leftists, like yourselves). They protect people from actual racial violence, whereas you smear people for imaginary racism. At least get your facts straight. Here is another fact: the leaders of the alt-right are nothing but Democrat operatives, kinown operatives. Just as Antifa and BLM are Democrat terror organizations. If you click on Antifa.com you will open a Democrat Party website. They fund each other. Brittney Pettibone and Sellner are hardly racists. They are fighting for the preservation of Europe, a lost cause at this point, thanks to leftists like you. European people have a right to exist. This is not racist. They do not want to be conquered by jihadis. Thanks to the incapacity of the left for rational thinking, Europe will probably fall to Islam. American people, too, have a right not to be beaten and killed in the streets by leftist crazies. Opposing that is not racism. The tens of millions of people you would label as “alt-right” includes people from all over the world – Chinese, Vietnamese, Cubans, Mexicans, blacks and whites and others. The ugly name-calling, the slander and mischaracterizations of others needs to stop. You destroy your own credibility in so doing.
“claiming, scandalously, that Omar was part of a religion in which “homosexuals are oppressed”, and “women are abused””
Complete lunacy to suggest anything of the sort. The world knows that Islam is particularly friendly to homosexuals.
I’m 99% certain that was irony! I’m not being ironic myself incidentally. I’ve had comments like that deleted from the Guardian, where they are fearless defenders of the ROP!
Ah, natch, just realized you also were being ironic.