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ray.wacks
ray.wacks
3 years ago

Another fine piece by one of our best philosophers. I look forward to reading the book.

I read the essay to my cats. It sent them into a state of gentle ataraxia which suggested to me that they had no argument with John’s thesis. Then they demanded lunch.

Judith Longman
Judith Longman
3 years ago
Reply to  ray.wacks

🤣

Auberon Linx
Auberon Linx
3 years ago

What humans can learn from animals is a pertinent philosophical question. Eastern religions posit that being born as human is an incredibly rare and immensely fortunate event. No doubt I am misunderstanding the subtler theological points, but it seems to me this is inconsistent with touting the qualities currently labelled as “mindfulness”. These practices are hard work for humans but naturally embodied by animals.

And cats certainly seem to be the perfect species for embarking on speculation on this topic. There is genuine interaction between cats and humans, with cats fully retaining their wildness. As Gray points out, what humans most admire about them is that they seem to spend time with us out of interest and curiosity rather than to fulfil a biological imperative in the way dogs do. Also, they do not hesitate to demonstrate contempt for their human companions (“owners” is surely not the right word) when merited, and are all the more loved for it.

Then there is their fierce independence which we cannot help but admire. To quote what is, in my opinion, Kipling’s best line: “I am a cat who walks by himself, and all places are alike to me”.

Alan Girling
Alan Girling
3 years ago
Reply to  Auberon Linx

I’m not so sure about fierce independence. Cats I’ve known put on such airs, for sure. But unlike dogs they conceal their neediness, their dependence, their abiding attachment. My brother’s fiercely independent cat did not appreciate it when he left him with a sitter for at least a day too long and took revenge by turning his bed into a litter box. His hurt and anger was visible and odoriferous.

Judith Longman
Judith Longman
3 years ago
Reply to  Alan Girling

Agree totally. Mine were in meltdown when I came home after three days away. Mind you they are Burmese. Bred to love human company.

Joe Blow
Joe Blow
3 years ago

I am pretty sure that cats are obligate carnivores, so pushing cat to veganism risks taurine insufficiency…

joe_falconer
joe_falconer
3 years ago

Well, I think cats have exhibit something of the peace that eastern mysticism seeks. Or, indeed, that which might be suggested to be available from western religions (if not delivered).

The main problem I think is thinking (as per Montaigne).

My cat sleeps, eats or spends its time doing cat things (exploring, climbing, chasing …). I don’t detect any reflection, regret or other wasteful activities.

Western philosophy is all about thinking so don’t expect to find yourself in some state of peace or true living through such engagement. But this is not (entirely) the case for Eastern philosophies where religious practice is often experiential.

In a university discussion on life’s meaning (whilst exploring Camus and Nagel), I argued that it was a pointless discussion in that we were seeking to explain something intellectually that could not be captured in written or verbal. My suggestion was to do yoga or go rock climbing or hunt or fish or have sex but that if you go off and live don’t expect to be able to capture it intellectually. Unsurprisingly my hope that the tutor would lead us off into some life enriching experience did not eventuate and the debate continued ….

Western philosophy cannot accept the experiential position because it would kill part of its own purpose – intellectual pondering of life’s meaning.

No doubt if my cat could talk, philosophy would not be her concern.

kirk.arthur.bates
kirk.arthur.bates
3 years ago

I lack knowledge and perhaps I am seeing in the article the reflection of my own belief but isn’t this a way of making ‘Absurdism’ / Camus more accessible by using cats for the examples?

Retanot King
Retanot King
3 years ago

Cats are far more intelligent than dogs. Don’t get fooled by the social aptitude of dogs. You don’t need society to be intelligent.

A FE
A FE
2 years ago

At the risk of waxing lyrical, ten glorious years spent loving, caring for and observing my two boys have:

-Shown me I am capable of unconditional love.
-Offered daily examples of how to Not Let Shit Get To Me by observing their Zenlike approach to just about everything, (empty food bowls excluded…one has a wee food issue).
-Proffered an outlet for a latent maternal instinct I just don’t possess when looking at human babies.(Children under threat is a different matter).
-Provided a daily reminder of the finite, precious commodity of time. I am their guardian for an alloted time only.
-Pushed me to identify and live up to a value system.Yes, I’ll stop the chores to cuddle my cats if they ask me to and no, sick on the floor or fur on the carpet doesn’t matter in the scheme of things if I have the means to clean them up.

Being mocked once by my mother for taking all day to clean my home due to regular cat cuddle breaks, led to the retort, ‘ That’s right because one day they won’t be here’.

For once, the old narcissist shut her mouth. Not that I gave a toss, then or now.

Last edited 2 years ago by A FE
A FE
A FE
2 years ago

At the risk of waxing lyrical, ten glorious years spent loving, caring for and observing my two boys have:

-Shown me I am capable of unconditional love.
-Offered daily examples of how to Not Let Shit Get To Me by observing their Zenlike approach to just about everything, (empty food bowls excluded…one has a wee food issue).
-Proffered an outlet for a latent maternal instinct I just don’t possess when looking at human babies.(Children under threat is a different matter).
-Provided a daily reminder of the finite, precious commodity of time. I am their guardian for an alloted time only.
-Pushed me to identify and live up to a value system.Yes, I’ll stop the chores to cuddle my cats if they ask me to and no, sick on the floor or fur on the carpet doesn’t matter in the scheme of things if I have the means to clean them up.

Being mocked once by my mother for taking all day to clean my home due to regular cat cuddle breaks, led to the retort, ‘ That’s right because one day they won’t be here’.

For once, the old narcissist shut her mouth. Not that I gave a toss, then or now.

Last edited 2 years ago by A FE
Ian Barton
Ian Barton
3 years ago

An enjoyable read, and cats can only be thankful that they (surely) have no concept of religion (and its afterlife absurdities) to interrupt their splendid periods of indolence.

Andrew D
Andrew D
3 years ago
Reply to  Ian Barton

Are you sure? Christopher Smart didn’t agree. His Cat Jeoffry was ‘the servant of the Living God, duly and daily serving him’. Jeoffry ‘purrs in thankfulness when God tells him he’s a good Cat’.

Smart also considered ‘the English Cats are the best in Europe’.

Mark Corby
Mark Corby
3 years ago
Reply to  Andrew D

Don’t forget the splendid ninth century, Pangur Ban! He of ‘turning darkness into light’ fame.
“I and Pangur Ban my cat, ”tis a like task we are at, hunting mice is his delight, hunting words I sit all night”.

Judith Longman
Judith Longman
3 years ago
Reply to  Ian Barton

True but my cats love Radio 3. Playing gently in the background they seem to be in ecstasy. Especially Bach. A previous cat was the same. Loved Vivaldi. None have any feeling for pop/rock/jazz

Bernard Hill
Bernard Hill
2 years ago
Reply to  Ian Barton

…but better the pursuit of human perfection should find its reward in an afterlife rather than on earth don’t you think Ian?

polidoris ghost
polidoris ghost
3 years ago

“In contrast, cats show signs of knowing when they are nearing death,”
That’s is not my experience. A number of my cats have come to say goodbye. Perhaps I misinterpret – A common human failing, though never a cat one.

G Harris
G Harris
3 years ago

For some reason, most of my comments from the past few weeks have disappeared. Anyone any ideas?

Mark Corby
Mark Corby
3 years ago
Reply to  G Harris

You will have look them up on DISQUS, thanks to the recent hiatus!