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Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago

Half the world risks its life to get here so the brand can’t be doing too badly.

David Bell
David Bell
3 years ago

There are two distinct threads in this, both are interesting and relevant.

The second thread is a question, are we good at national branding? The article comes to the conclusion that we could do a lot better. It is probably right, but we have some good campaigns to encourage tourism and trade missions have been a successful program for many years. What we need is a more coherent strategy with a lot more imagination.

The fist thread is potentially the most interesting. There was a common theme in those that criticised the re branding of the plane, they tend to be remainers who are “ashamed” to be British. The idea of Johnson arriving at an international conference in a plane with a Union Jack (right way or wrong way up) embarrasses them. They would rather we where represented by the EU and Johnson took that away from them!

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
3 years ago

The hubris of the statue-topplers is that they see themselves and their ideas as perfect. They have no conception that the subjects of the statues they might choose to erect today will be seen as having feet of clay by the revolutionaries of the 23rd century, whose standards of appropriate thought and behaviour we can have no idea of today.

A Spetzari
A Spetzari
3 years ago

Thanks Mary – point well made.

Whilst I personally don’t like subjectively the tail art on the aircraft, it absolutely is fitting for our leaders (military and political) and diplomats to look the part.

For all of Cameron’s other faults, it was pathetic him being lambasted for commissioning his “air force cam” to replace the old BAE 146s that were old, slow, unreliable and hideously inefficient. Furthermore it completely cast in shadow the factual reality behind the jet – which is multi role as a troop transport and air-to-air tanker. By characterising it as “cameron’s” jet it neglected to point out that it’s a plane shared by many many people in government, diplomatic service, the royal family and the military. It’s a very well-spent investment.

Finally, whether we like it or not, the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world and one of the most influential nations. Flying about in knackered old planes is just embarrassing and looks cheap. Mary is right – the UK needs every help it can get to “sell” itself.

Carolyn Jackson
Carolyn Jackson
3 years ago

You seem to be assuming that he’s going to lose.

Stephen Tye
Stephen Tye
3 years ago

All children like boundaries, enforced with lots of love and very importantly, fairness. If you don’t set boundaries when bringing up your rugrats you are doing them a great disservice.

Stephen Follows
Stephen Follows
3 years ago
Reply to  Stephen Tye

Indeed. During my (thankfully brief) period working in a highly permissive comprehensive, I was constantly amazed by the way in which the most badly behaved, uncontrollable boys, who spent their entire time in the place kicking hard against every school rule and authority figure, would always without fail apply to join the army as soon as they turned sixteen.

Their problem was clearly that the school bent over backwards to accommodate them every time they acted up, rather than giving them the stern tough discipline they secretly longed for.

D Herman
D Herman
3 years ago

Well Mary – much good discussion material in this article and food for thought.

The main reason I voted for Brexit had nothing to do with racism (although some of my reservations about the EU are based on our interaction with those of other countries), but the fact that the UK had lost all self-respect years ago. Even now roughly half the citizens of the UK would rather remain an outlier of the 4th Reich – with decisions about our country made by an unelected elite in the EU Commission, but always in the interests of Germany and to a lesser extent France.

This is not an anti-German or anti-French comment, but a statement of reality. Last year Vauxhall (USA owned of course) was bought by Renault (part owned by the French government). Can you imagine that happening the other way round??!! The French government would make sure it didn’t. No sizeable UK car maker is UK owned. The French and German people, not just their governments, have their own country at heart.

When the RAF celebrated its centenary in 2018, HM the Queen arrived at Westminster Cathedral in a Rolls or Bentley (can’t remember) and her security detail arrived in a Volkswagen mini-bus. On a day that celebrated the RAF’s part in WW2, was I the only person to see the irony of their transport being provided by Germany.

I am not nationalistic and don’t have a flag-pole outside my house as a quite a few do. I don’t hanker after the empire or wish to see us return to being a dominant physical force in the world – I just wish more people in my country wanted to have pride in it.

chrisjwmartin
chrisjwmartin
3 years ago

Speaking as a non-American, i.e. without a particular horse in this race, I find it bizarre watching American liberals obsess over the idea that Trump is waiting to overthrow democracy.

Only one significant group has recently demonstrated a willingness to overthrow the will of the American people through violence. That group is the BLM-Antifa terrorist network, which the Democrat establishment backs to the hilt, even kneeling down in subjugation to BLM-Antifa’s authority over them and supporting Antifastan’s secession from the United States. It is easy to imagine BLM-Antifa mobilising mass mobs in the wake of another narrow Trump win, to tear down Trump as they have torn down his even more worthy predecessors such as Washington, Lincoln, or Grant.

So looked at externally, objectively, American democracy seems to be in danger only from BLM-Antifa-supporting Democrats, not from Republicans advocating for the rule of law.

Rónán Davison-Kernan
Rónán Davison-Kernan
3 years ago

In seeking a national ‘brand’, the UK would have to admit its contradictions and hypocrisies. ‘Global Britain’ – what about Northern Ireland, part of the UK, for now anyway, but not part of Britain? Beefeaters, ‘Global Britain’ and indeed Team GB do not represent us in NI… nor does the current government, given that the Tories are a very minor party here. What part would we play in a UK ‘brand’?

Alan Healy
Alan Healy
3 years ago

Not part of Great Britain , part of the British Isles and the British state , with British nationality .

Rónán Davison-Kernan
Rónán Davison-Kernan
3 years ago
Reply to  Alan Healy

Not part of Great Britain, not part of the ‘British Isles’ as that is an offensive term rejected by one of the sovereign governments of the islands it claims to descirbe, and, in my case, not with British nationality either. In Northern Ireland we are free to choose to be British, irish, or both. But yes, part of the British state.

Alan Healy
Alan Healy
3 years ago

I find the politicised and bigoted rejection of that ancient term to be offensive . I suggest you , and other Irish nationalists , contemplate the difference between political and geographical definitions . The British state is named after the British Isles , not the other way around . Irish nationalists rejected that state . They cannot reject the pre-existing geographical reality .

Andrew Baldwin
Andrew Baldwin
3 years ago

“The Church of England was created because Henry VIII was a megalomaniacal sex-pest whose ego was so huge and fragile he would take no lessons from the bishop of Rome.” Do you really think so, Giles? Do you completely eliminate the possibility that Henry VIII might not have been interested in having a male heir, which he regarded as necessary to the continuation of the Tudor dynasty and the stability of the realm?

Gary Richmond
Gary Richmond
3 years ago

A good article. The problem we have in this country is the constant undermining of Great Britain by the MSM, ‘intellectual commentariat’ and certain sections of society. Just look at these passed few weeks…It’s about time we stopped apologising and started trumpeting the amazing history, achievements, diversity and innovative nature of the people of this country and, particularly given the current situation, the only direction of travel is forward and, everyone across the board should be totally engaged with this task.

Walter Egon
Walter Egon
3 years ago

“Conchita Wurst’s Eurovision victory in 2014 seemed to set the seal on Austria’s new-old identity.”
Really ?

Peter Hamilton
Peter Hamilton
3 years ago

I find the Egyptian Moses quite credible and the story of him intervening in a fight between an Egyptian and a Hebrew a symbolic tale: he is “killing’ the Egyptian in himself. Reversing the Moses in the bullrushes story is also revealing: the Word is made flesh and is floated into the Hebrew world on reeds/papyrus. I understand that Monotheism enjoyed a brief reign in Egypt under Akhenaten and before that existed in Zoroastrianism. Also it seems to me to be quite clear from the Isha Upanishad that Hinduism is profoundly monotheistic. In his book THE BIBLE UNEARTHED Israel Finkelstein questions the whole Exodus story: at the time it is supposed to have happened Egypt ruled Canaan, he points out, so they were ‘in Egypt’ anyway. Moses as the High Priest of a monotheistic cult (the Levites) around the Egyptian Royal House, which clung on for four hundred years after Akhenaten’s death and finally transferred to the Royal houses of the Canaanite hill country is an intriguing idea and makes sense, for instance, of the persistent worship of Baal with their altars in the high places. The rural Israelites and Judeans were simply doing what they’d always done. It also explains the swift pursuit of foreign gods and women by the Israelites after the fall of Jericho, which seems to me to be not credible: why would they desert Yahweh when he’d just brought them out of the desert? God chose the Hebrews but how and where is surely debatable.

Andrew Baldwin
Andrew Baldwin
3 years ago

Baer writes about “the false claims that mail-in ballots are prone to fraud”. It is false to claim that these are false claims. Take a look at J. Christian Adams’s “On Vote by Mail”. See also John Fund and Hans von Spakovsky’s “Who’s Counting? How Fraudsters and Bureaucrats Put Your Vote at Risk”. Their book highlights the case of Greene County, a heavily black county in Alabama where the Republicans were uncompetitive but where fraudulent use of absentee balloting allowed a small clique of Democrats to decide who won the Democratic primaries. The widespread use of mail-in-ballots allows the abuses of absentee ballots to be hugely expanded.
Let’s also not forget non-citizen voting fraud, which American political scientist Jesse Richman estimated accounted for 834 thousand votes out of Hillary Clinton’s margin over Trump in the popular vote in 2016. (This could well be an underestimate, for a number of reasons. For instance, Richman accepts the Census estimate of the undercount of illegal immigrants, which is almost certainly substantially too low. Widespread use of mail-in balloting obviously increases the likelihood of non-citizen voting. In January 2018, President Trump shut down his Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity (PACEI), which is a real shame. It got very poor co-operation from state governments anxious to hide voting fraud, but he should have let it soldier on as best as it could and present a report on recommendations for reform.

Andrew Baldwin
Andrew Baldwin
3 years ago

Baer writes about “the false claims that mail-in ballots are prone to fraud”. It is false to claim that these are false claims. Take a look at J. Christian Adams’s “On Vote by Mail”. See also John Fund and Hans von Spakovsky’s “Who’s Counting? How Fraudsters and Bureaucrats Put Your Vote at Risk”. Their book highlights the case of Greene County, a heavily black county in Alabama where the Republicans were uncompetitive but where fraudulent use of absentee balloting allowed a small clique of Democrats to decide who won the Democratic primaries. The widespread use of mail-in-ballots allows the abuses of absentee ballots to be hugely expanded.
Let’s also not forget non-citizen voting fraud, which American political scientist Jesse Richman estimated accounted for 834 thousand votes out of Hillary Clinton’s margin over Trump in the popular vote in 2016. (This could well be an underestimate, for a number of reasons. For instance, Richman accepts the Census estimate of the undercount of illegal immigrants, which is almost certainly substantially too low. Widespread use of mail-in balloting obviously increases the likelihood of non-citizen voting. In January 2018, President Trump shut down his Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity (PACEI), which is a real shame. It got very poor co-operation from state governments anxious to hide voting fraud, but he should have let it soldier on as best as it could and present a report on recommendations for reform.

Raymond ffoulkes
Raymond ffoulkes
3 years ago

A bit like Brexit, then…

Andrew Baldwin
Andrew Baldwin
3 years ago

My last memory of England to date, perhaps ever if I am unlucky, was having a pint of stout at a London airport on the way back to Canada from Serbia. The place was busy, but the service was so cordial and friendly, and the stout was heavenly. Shouldn’t pubs be part of the national branding? From my experience, the English do pubs really well. (I can only speak of England. Regrettably, I have never been to any of the other Home Nations.)

Martin Adams
Martin Adams
3 years ago

A striking approach to this subject, and one of the very few I’ve encountered that looks at the statue bashing and, implicitly, the thinking that lies behind it, by standing on secure philosophical and ethical ground. The ground is explicitly Christian; but there is one aspect of Rev Fraser’s discussion that seems to evade some important, even central, implications of that Christian grounding.

I write as a member of the Church of England, and as a Reader (licensed lay minister). So I was delighted to see how this article grapples with the messy origins of that church.

I am glad to see his acknowledgement that non-Christian thinkers and writers can disclose important ideas, and drive us to ask important questions. Being a Christian, I cannot find the general influence of either Sigmund Freud or Edward Said to be entirely for the good of human beings; but that is no reason to do what many Christians do, and reject them in their entirety. Such rejection smacks too much of the kind of search for purity on which the statue-bashers are engaged. As Rev. Fraser points out, we are all sinners and cannot escape the reality of that condition, not even by choosing essentially pro-Christian writers with the creative and intellectual brilliance of Tom Holland.

Like the Apostle Paul when preaching in Athens (Acts 17:16″“34), Rev. Fraser knows that glimpses of the divine can be found in things profane or pagan; and it is good to see that reality acknowledged. However, I also find it striking that while one important word from the Bible, from Christian thought and practice, appears repeatedly ” redemption, another does not appear at all ” forgiveness. The New Testament in particular repeatedly uses both words; and they are often inextricably linked, most obviously in the prayer Jesus taught his disciples.

An important pointer is this sentence: “I also think of psychoanalysis as a quasi-redemptive exercise.” The “quasi” matters, because it underlines that such redemption cannot be accomplished in Christian terms ” or in ways consistent with the only true redemption.

The Bible and orthodox Christian teaching, all the way back to the earliest Church Fathers, says that true redemption can be accomplished only via what Jesus accomplished via his life, death and resurrection. We cannot accomplish it for ourselves, and the most fundamental thing we are expected to do is to forgive.

So the only troublesome thing I find in Rev. Fraser’s article is its emphasis on action without mentioning that the most effective action that we can take ” the action that renders all the other redemptive actions and aspirations “quasi” ” is to forgive. In so many ways, the main conclusions of the article are a bullseye:

Both religiously and psychologically, they [the statues] remind us of how much work we have to do, of the complicity of the faithful with the forces of evil, of how even our best intentions can be requisitioned by darkness.

But it was Jesus himself, who showed that the human search for purity is bound to fail because it has been only he who “shines in the darkness” (John 1:5) and who shows us that true redemption involves forgiveness. One of the most fundamental characteristics of the statue-bashers is not merely their lack of forgiveness; it is that they have espoused a creed that explicitly rejects forgiveness.

Jordan Flower
Jordan Flower
3 years ago

I’m reminded of a classic viral YouTube video from a decade ago that I think was called “breastfeeding at 8”. The original appears to be gone now, but luckily there’s always backups: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko3jXjgTR2g

jdcharlwood
jdcharlwood
3 years ago

Last refuge of the scoundrel. Who ever sees these planes?

uztazo
uztazo
3 years ago

“Or perhaps we saw ourself as a great power that did not have to worry about that sort of thing”

Correct.

andy thompson
andy thompson
3 years ago

Well said Mary! Kick their asses BoJo. Rule Britannia and all that!

D Herman
D Herman
3 years ago

“because the Union flag on the tail was upside down). But neither response was justified.”

Well we all know what an upside down union flag means?!

So more than justified surely Mary.

mrkclln
mrkclln
3 years ago

Hmm. So how come, in this general decline of civilisation, you’re still managing to get it right? Just blessed or is your argument shaky? And if you’re blessed, then maybe many others are, too. Or is it that all of us have to learn as we go, and one of the things we learn as we go is where and what boundaries are important. (Isn’t it odd how the older generation always sees the decline in the younger one? Just as their parents did to them…)

Fred Bloggs
Fred Bloggs
3 years ago
Reply to  mrkclln

Sounds like she’s touched a nerve.

Giulia Khawaja
Giulia Khawaja
3 years ago
Reply to  mrkclln

Probably because the author says in the last paragraph that she uses “a mix of love and appropriate authority “. I know it works from personal experience of applying something similar.

Raymond ffoulkes
Raymond ffoulkes
3 years ago

Filthy Brexit!

Cruel (millions of lives disrupted)
Dangerous (EU maintained peace)
Stupid (it’s the economy…)