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Will there be a second Covid wave? It will be hard to track accurately the consequences of the lockdown loosening

Will there be a second wave after the schools re-open? Credit: Veronique de Viguerie/Getty

Will there be a second wave after the schools re-open? Credit: Veronique de Viguerie/Getty


June 2, 2020   8 mins

The first science lesson I remember involved keeping cups of tea warm. I was in Year 6, aged 10 or 11. We were seeing whether styrofoam cups kept their heat better than china ones, and whether lids kept the heat in, and some other things; God knows, it was almost 30 years ago.

Anyway. The crucial point that our science teacher drilled into us was: when you do science, you change one variable, and you keep the rest constant. You want to see whether lids help? Then do one with a lid and one without, but if you put one in a styrofoam cup, put the other in one too, and use the same volume and temperature of water. Want to see whether styrofoam is better? Then do one styrofoam and one china, but if you give one a lid, you have to give the other one too.

The reason I bring this up is that a few weeks ago, it was announced that there would be a limited, phased re-opening of schools starting on 1 June. I had assumed that we would get to 1 June, give it a couple of weeks, and then see what impact — if any — the reopening had on infection rates.

But, then, a raft of other new measures were announced, all starting on the same day. Gatherings of up to six people are now allowed, in private gardens as well as parks; the extremely vulnerable are now allowed to leave their homes for short periods. Non-essential shopping is starting to reopen in outdoor settings. The Prime Minister told people that they can “even have a barbecue”.

But won’t it make it more difficult to assess the impact of each of these measures, if we haven’t kept each of them separate, changed one variable at a time while holding the rest constant? Isn’t that like putting a lid on your styrofoam cup but not on your china one?

In short: yes. “The measures have been coming one after the other or at the same time, so it will be very difficult to unpick the effect of any one measure,” said Dr Sarah Lewis, a genetic epidemiologist at Bristol. “By opening all at the same time you’ll effectively mask the outcome,” says Dr Konstantin Blyuss, a mathematical modeller at Sussex: “you’ll never know what hit you.”

You can reduce the uncertainty: partly through statistical methods, but mainly by using old-fashioned epidemiological contact-tracing methods. By simply asking people questions — where have you been, who have you been in contact with — you can see that Person A caught the disease from Person B at the local farmers’ market or the school gate or whatever, and can avoid the need for the high-level, statistical assessment of what influenced what.

But you need thousands of contact tracers to do that. Estimates suggest that, in order to keep the disease suppressed as they come out of lockdown, the US will need between 100,000 and 300,000 contact tracers. That implies that Matt Hancock’s army of 25,000 is at the low end of what the UK needs, assuming that the UK and US situations are broadly comparable.

And it’s not a simple job. A  family member is a (retired) consultant epidemiologist who did a lot of infectious disease work; she once spent an entire Christmas Day tracing the contacts of infected people in a local meningitis outbreak. She says it’s not that you have to be a consultant epidemiologist to do it, but that it definitely helps having a background in epidemiology or public health so you know the follow-up questions to ask, and having good interpersonal skills so that people are willing to share private information with you.

US contact tracers are being offered a free six-hour training online course on Coursera, although whether they’re required to do it differs from state to state; in the UK, the training seems minimal. One US epidemiologist I spoke to (who works with the government so could only speak off the record) said that “absolutely there are training and skills required” for contact tracing, and that it’s not clear that over there, at least, those skills are in place. I don’t get the impression that they are here, either, although we shall soon find out. 

This is of more than academic interest. If relaxing some lockdown measure — say, reopening schools — drives the rate of infections up, then it’s important that we know, so that we can decide whether or not to close it down again. If we only change one thing, it will be easier to know.

That said, it would still not be easy. Blyuss points out that people’s behaviour has been changing significantly as well, at least partly independently of government instruction, so it’ll be hard to tease that out from any policy changes anyway. “It’s nice to talk about rules about groups of six or more, but the reality is very different,” he says: “Everyone is in groups. The weather doesn’t help.”

Dr Babak Javid, an infectious disease specialist at Cambridge and Tshinghua universities, adds another layer of difficulty. It’s absolutely true that holding all of your variables but one constant makes tracking the disease easier, he says. But doing so comes at a cost. Say you reopen schools, and you want to see whether it has an effect on some outcome. The very earliest you could start to see anything would be a week or so later, when the first people infected would be showing symptoms, but realistically it would probably be two weeks; if you were looking at hospitalisations or deaths, even longer. 

So if you wanted to reintroduce all these measures one by one, in this careful, targeted way, it would take a while. Including schools, I’ve mentioned four different measures. We’d be talking about two months to introduce them, as a bare minimum, and there are lots of other things to change — other school years, for a start. “If you do everything very precisely and incrementally, we’ll open up in September,” Javid says.

But the lockdown comes at significant social, health and economic costs. He stresses that he’s not saying that we ought to do it all at once (“I don’t want to comment on the overall net cost or benefit. That’s a policy issue, not a scientific issue”), but merely that it’s not a straightforward decision; many lives will be lost and damaged if we carry on with lockdown, as well as if we come out of it. “A&E attendance is way down,” Javid says. “Can heart attacks really have dropped by 30%? We’re delaying cancer diagnoses and treatments. These are genuine, real risks to prolonging lockdown, and they’re medical and sociological, not just economic.”

There is another way to assess the risks and impacts of the various relaxations, and that is to remember that this isn’t happening in a vacuum. We can look at other countries which have done some reopening themselves. I had a quick look at the indispensable Our World in Data, and picked six European countries — Denmark, France, Germany, Italy, Norway, Spain — which partially relaxed some measures no later than 11 May, to give us a full three weeks.

So far, there’s no sign in any of them of any increase in deaths or cases apart from a very tiny wobble in case numbers on 29 and 31 May in France, which seems likely to be noise and doesn’t seem obviously connected to measures taken three weeks earlier. All the scientists I spoke to agreed that there’s no sign anywhere of any major second waves; Lewis mentioned the Netherlands and Switzerland as other examples.

It struck me that there are three possible explanations for this. One, which is moderately hopeful, is that the measures taken to relax lockdown in each country are sufficiently conservative and well-targeted to avoid sparking a new outbreak. The measures are all somewhat different, and that makes me think that our own first, cautious measures — which look roughly in line with the broad swath of others — might similarly avoid a new wave of infections.

The second explanation is less hopeful. We’ve all become aware of the concept of “R” recently, the reproduction rate of a pathogen. It’s the average number of people that one infected person will pass the disease on to.

The word “average” is key there: If the R is 2, that could mean that out of 100 people, every single one passes it on to two people; or it could mean that 99 people pass it on to nobody, and one person gives it to 200 people (or anything in between). 

It’s recently become clear that Covid-19 is more like the latter of those two examples. Most people don’t pass it on at all, but every so often, one person will happen to give it to dozens or hundreds. And that means that the behaviour of the disease can look very different, as the LSHTM epidemiological modeller Adam Kucharski explains in this Twitter thread. It could be that the disease lies apparently quiescent for a long period, as most people fail to pass it on, and then when we think we’ve got it under control it explodes up again. It may be that the reason we haven’t seen more resurgence in Italy or Spain is simply that they’ve been lucky so far. 

(Equally, it may be that the superspreader events are largely prevented by the sort of lockdown measures that remain in place, says Javid — things like keeping bars, sporting events and churches closed.)

My third possible explanation is that there’s something strange going on with immunity, so some people are differentially immune to the disease even before they get it. The serology data coming back has found that even countries that have had terrible outbreaks — like Spain and the UK — have only had about 5% of the population infected. If there’s some reason why a non-negligible percentage of the population were already entirely or partially immune, then that could be keeping the second wave somewhat suppressed.

That third option is extremely tempting to believe, and it’s not insane — Oxford’s Sunetra Gupta believes it, and all of the scientists I spoke to thought it was plausible, but that as yet there’s not much good evidence for it. They also all said that a combination of all three factors was possible. “I’ve read evidence pointing to all three of those,” said Lewis. “I saw something suggesting herd immunity had been reached in London because not everyone exposed would get the virus, which would explain why virus numbers have gone right down despite people using public transport.” It’s worth adding that, pace the neuroscientist Karl Friston, Javid said it seems very unlikely that this background immunity theory explains the difference between the UK and Germany.

It has a dark side, though: one more expert, who also wanted to remain off the record — it’s all very cloak-and-dagger, this epidemiology stuff — pointed out that there have been very different levels of infection in, say, London and the south-west. Something like one in six Londoners have had it, compared to one in 20 elsewhere in the country. 

He thinks that as measures are relaxed, the danger is that we see London do relatively well — acquired immunity, on top of whatever this mysterious background immunity is, meaning that the disease finds it hard to spread — while places like the south-west see sudden upsurges, because the population is still mainly susceptible. If he’s right, and he said it was his ‘prediction’, then major second waves could be triggered. It’s worth remembering that the second wave of the Spanish flu killed more people than the first — but it’s also worth remembering that public health policies were very different back then. 

I started by saying that in science, you hold all your variables constant except one: keep the lid on your styrofoam cup and your china cup. That’s true, and if we were doing pure science — if we only cared about finding out what lockdown measures worked and which didn’t — then it would be simple: introduce measures one at a time, wait and see, do it slowly. 

But we’re not doing pure science. We’re also trying to make a country that works for its citizens, in conditions that change daily. “We’re trying to build a plane as we fly it,” my US epidemiologist told me. The most important thing, according to Javid, will be “nimbleness; being able to change policy in the light of new evidence”. If it turns out opening schools was wrong, then close them again. And we in the media need to be wary of shouting about mistakes and U-turns and instead say: when the facts change, you change your mind.


Tom Chivers is a science writer. His second book, How to Read Numbers, is out now.

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nickandyrose
nickandyrose
3 years ago

Time for society to grow a pair. We know who the vulnerable are now: protect them. There is no point on expending resources on absolutely everybody in the country and wait for nil hazard. We’ll all die of old age (or more likely, starvation) first.

It’s time to lift the lockdown. It’s time to get on with our lives.

Kenneth MacKillop
Kenneth MacKillop
3 years ago

The inexorable and continuous decline of infection rate in just about every region of the world, regardless of public policy and circumstance, after a few weeks of rise after initial detection and commencement of CoVID-19 stat’s collection, goes remarkably unremarked upon.

If we look at the response of the world’s human population to the virus, as a species and from an evolutionary point of view, we should expect a “negative feedback”. It is this that exerts the sustained increase in resistance to infection and viral replication in vivo.

The approximate pure geometric progression of the very early stages can only occur before a significant fraction of the species has been first infected, and this occurs before societies have begun to collect data. It is of theoretical, but not practical, interest.

If species resistance (or immunity) were not to behave this way, with absolute reliability, the species would be wiped out. Negative resistance is required for stability in natural systems, and this applies to species.

In other words, what is the predominant factor working against any significant second wave is human immunology built into our genome(s). We have only limited understanding of our own immunology, and much less of the novel virus yet. But the idea that lockdowns have had anything but a secondary impact is absurd. And they cannot have had any fundamental impact upon the “shape of the curve” (of infections vs. time) at all. That would violate the principles of what keeps the species sustained rather than going extinct.

This is just another virus, and not a very virulent one at that, even if we assume it to have been produced by gain-of-function manipulation in a lab in Wuhan as a chimeric concoction from several different viruses hosted within resident species in nature.

Liscarkat
Liscarkat
3 years ago

Thank you for an intelligent, informed, well-written comment.

thomaspelham
thomaspelham
3 years ago

It’s been very much remarked upon, if unreported, in some circles; Prof Levitt pointed this out from Wuhan data; the growth is not strictly exponential but it follows, as it happens, an exponential decline in the exponent, pretty much regardless of public health measures. This produces a Gompretz Curve, and can be seen in every data set.

What this is, is hard to say; some of the ideas that Tom puts out above are likely, but the fact is that there is something natural limiting the spread of the virus everywhere.

I suggest that an immediate second peak is therefore unlikely, and has yet to be seen (Iran’s outbreak is in a different community, as far as I can tell)

Robin P
Robin P
3 years ago

The approximate pure geometric progression of the very early stages can only occur before a significant fraction of the species has been first infected,

You meant “exponential increase”, not “geometric progression”. Cheers www pseudoexpertise com

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago

No, there will almost certainly not be a second wave. There does not appear to have been a second wave in Denmark, Austria or any of the other countries that have opened up, or never closed down.

Indeed, for 99% of people there was not even a first wave given that this virus only affects the very old and/or those with various underlying conditions. (And most of those people could have been protected had appropriate measures been taken).

However, there is every chance that there will be a first, second and third wave of redundancies, tax rises, desperate attempts to print and borrow money and all the other economic consequences of the insane and incompetent reaction to C-19.

Michael Yeadon
Michael Yeadon
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

Hear, hear. I’ve been shouting this from the beginning.

jencastle3
jencastle3
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

There hasn’t been a second wave – yet. Can you be so certain that there won’t be a second wave later? The virus hasn’t been eradicated. It’s still around. What scientific evidence is there to show it won’t occur. We only have the data for what is happening now, not the future.

Bruno Lucy
Bruno Lucy
3 years ago
Reply to  jencastle3

Imperial’s Professor Neil Ferguson told us a couple of weeks ago that “from our crude analysis, it’s plausible that of the order of two-thirds of the people that have died so far might have died in this year anyhow”. Sir David reckons that might be a little high, but says it would be “a reasonable proportion”.
Financial Times.
From the master himself who predicted 500 000 deaths in the U.K. and 40 000 in Sweden where I have been for the last 3 months.
The question is : was it worth it ? How much misery has been created by these lock down ?
In 1968 80 000 people died in the U.K. following the wave of Hong Kong flue, 30 000 in France my native country ….’not only was I too young to remember but a lady who was a medical student at the time, could not remember either.
News footage show very relaxed French people and not very young either, going about their shopping without a worry in the world….’or if so, they deserve an Oscar.

Loads of people are being made redundant without a pause, some to eager to take the opportunity….’.they had waited for this moment so long.
SAS is looking at sacking as many people as they can, at the same time they get wet leased aircraft from outside to do the work.
In case of a second wave, very disputed by scientists, people would fools to accept a second lockdown unless they want to be sheep to the slaughter.

Malcolm Ripley
Malcolm Ripley
3 years ago
Reply to  jencastle3

With an incubation period of 5 – 10 days even the slightest hint of second wave possibility would be obvious by now………there is nothing. No country in the world is showing any signs whatsoever and some have been “open” for a while. We cannot live the rest of our lives (miserable though they will be for the majority) hidden away because of something harmless to 96% that hasn’t happened yet based on a guess. It’s insane and an indication of how inept the authorites and experts are at handling a relatively mild virus. Hong Kong flu in the 60’s was far worse and they did not stop Woodstock! There was no “Woodstock second wave”.

Robert Parkey
Robert Parkey
3 years ago

I am a physician practicing in the US. My father and brother are also practicing physicians. We all practice in both inpatient and outpatient settings. We have not seen the “first wave” of COVID19. All deaths in our areas have been in the elderly in assisted living facilities and retirement homes. Our local hospitals have reduced staff (including ICU staff) and are in serious financial stress due to restrictions on typical surgeries and care. We have had a few COVID19 admits, nothing too serious. This disease seems to have a very narrow demographic for significant morbidity. It’s clear to us that it’s a mild disease for the vast majority of people. It seems dose-related, and it seems the disease has moderated over this past month. Our regional data shows our stay-at-home restrictions came after the peak of cases, calling into question the efficacy of the lockdown. The collateral morbidity from cancelling “elective” surgeries and cancer screenings may be significant. We feel it is time to lift all restrictions and instead rely on a concerted education effort for those few that are truly vulnerable, and open our community and economies back up.

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
3 years ago

“We in the media need to be wary of shouting about mistakes and U-turns …”
Not much chance of that, Tom, given the media we’re blessed with today.

naillik48
naillik48
3 years ago

Does it matter so long as the NHS critical care capacity can cope ? The disease isn’t going to disappear ; we have to get out and earn a living and take the risk .
The investment bank JP Morgan did a thorough international survey and found no post lockdown lift surge .

Daniel Smallwood
Daniel Smallwood
3 years ago

“And we in the media need to be wary of shouting about mistakes and U-turns and instead say: when the facts change, you change your mind.”

And pigs might fly.

Kenneth MacKillop
Kenneth MacKillop
3 years ago

The only factor which I can imagine would make a second wave possible is seasonality, as for flu and other respiratory viruses. If this proves large enough in magnitude to cause a detectable population-wide resurgence, as it did with Spanish flu, it would not be likely to imply an inversion of rate (i.e. decrease) of continuous increase of herd immunity.
It will only be possible for this to occur if the broad population exposure to infection is still small in comparison to the seasonal modulatory effect upon INNATE (as opposed to adaptive) immunity.

This is a good reason for individuals to make sure their vit D hepatic storage is sufficient for adequacy year-round (i.e. throughout the winters), and to supplement orally as required. Very few in temperate climates will not require supplementation.

My guess is that there will be a detectable second-season surge, but that it should not be even close to large enough to threaten hospital resources. If Western governments cannot use the lull of summer months to build up more than adequate response to handle a second season with full discontinuance of lockdown measures this would be more than shameful.
The elephant in the room, in terms of human immunological response, is innate immunity. It is very clear that this plays a much larger role for SARS-CoV-2 than for flu. I believe that this is consistent with the fact that flu is a much more virulent type of virus.

The impact of modern urban environmental factors (primarily diet) that are out of evolutionary context (i.e. we are not yet well adapted) is that a substantial minority of the population has heavily degraded innate immune and cellular function. This makes them susceptible to dangerous complications, but it does not make the virus itself fundamentally anything but mild in nature.

A subtle secondary factor may be a relatively more important role for cell-mediated immunity (i.e. T cells) over humoral immunity (i.e. B cells) in the human adaptive response to the novel virus in comparison to flu. This is just a hypotheisis, but there are many clues to suggest it IMO. If correct, there may be a substantial fraction of the population already exposed, with cell-mediated immunity but without antibodies.

What most analysts seem to be ignoring is that which is already in the data reported so far. Theory and modeling MUST be consistent with this before moving on to predict large second-season surges. I do not think it will be possible to meet the requirement of the former with a plausible model that predicts the latter.

jencastle3
jencastle3
3 years ago

From what you’ve said about seasonality, do you predict a significant surge in southern Hemisphere countries like Australia & New Zealand where we are just starting our winter? I live in Australia. We’ve done pretty well here. We don’t have a high death rate from Covid. But will winter change that?

benbow01
benbow01
3 years ago

Q. Will there be a second Covid wave?

A. Does it matter? The first ‘wave’ was a damp squib so why would anyone imagine a second one will be any more so, or even noticeable, or happen?

By now a large section of the population (Up to 30% some claim) has acquired immunity from prior contact with other coronavirus and from prior contact with this one?

Covid has worked through most of those for whom it will be serious or fatal.

These two facts make it more difficult for the virus to find new victims, which is why its activity curve (in all Countries) show it on the way out, show no ‘second wave’ in Countries which have relaxed lockdown.

The real questions: why is the Government pretending there is a problem other than the one of its own making; why did the dozy, compliant, lazy media let them get away with it in the first place and still?

teresa.m.skinner
teresa.m.skinner
3 years ago
Reply to  benbow01

Have you just landed from another planet?

First of all your comment that “some claim” up to 30% are already infected is just a lazy way to support your argument. There are loads of sensible, reasoned articles out there that would show this comment to be complete rubbish.

“Covid has worked through most of those for whom it will be serious or fatal” – the mind boggles at that statement – did your chrystal ball tell you that, because nothing else could have done.

And, just in case you weren’t in the uk when all this kicked off, I would point out that it was the hysterical MSM, who, as one screeching voice, demanded “lockdown”from the government because every other European country (apart from Sweden) had done so.

Lastly, re “compliant, lazy media” – do me favour, and just watch some of the Downing Street briefings with the likes of Kuenssberg, Peston and Coates asking questions in their nasty, cynical “gotcha’ journalistic way and then tell me you honestly think they’re compliant.

Mark Corby
Mark Corby
3 years ago
Reply to  benbow01

Correct, the Reaper has done his work, and those who qualified for Darwinian selection, have gone. Predominantly this was a cull of the old, knackered and black. Regrettable, but true.
Let us not terrify everybody else with hysterical hyperbole about a supposed ‘second wave’. This is not 1918! Let us move on to recovery, if we can.

Dave Smith
Dave Smith
3 years ago

YOu are right about the fear of hospitals. I was talking to an old man sitting on his cart when an ambulance pulled up along side.
‘You want to keep well away from those and the death pits of hospitals.’ he said as the crew got out all masked up.
Reminds me of my Grandma. Born in a different age she had a real fear of hospitals. Never get out she said. Once you go in.
We are gong back there like with so many things.

A MacK
A MacK
3 years ago

Interesting article. So should we expect a 2nd wave or not?

One thing many folk are realising through this crisis appears to be that natural science is highly equivocal and actual knowledge scant and transitory. It’s about time that happened because it often seems lost on those keen to cultivate a mentality of “white coat superiority”. It seems many epidemiologists (and others on the medical side) would now rather wrap humans in cotton wool and confine them to barracks than allow a reversion to the “old normal” i.e. Normal.

Ms Gupta was probably right: CV19 could be on the way out. The data seem to support hers rather than the axes ground by alternative “guesstimators / commentators”.

As a point of order on the timing of CV19 infection/death in different parts of England: it’s a fact that NHS daily death data show recorded CV19 deaths peaked rapidly on 8th April, or within 3 days of it in every region, and declined thereafter. Deaths had occurred in every region of England by 17th March, well before “Lockdown”. To suggest it wasn’t present elsewhere like it was in London (huge population and density) may appear bold.

That also tallies with the official ONS death statistics which show “peak deaths” were reported in Weeks 15 and 16 (which tallies well with the NHS data 8/4/20 peak due to lag in reporting etc.) and the numbers declined very dramatically since then. Since then, to Week 22 now, the numbers have dramatically declined.

A confounding variable is that testing levels have increased dramatically of late, which means that number of confirmed cases in any area is not as reliable an indicator unless corrected for numbers of tests. Also of course, the testing has been selectively targeted rather than blindly across the board. Deaths are, unfortunately, the best stats.

Of course it’s possible that lockdown contributed to that decline in “CV19 Deaths” since Week 15/6 (and hence gains may be reversed as “Normal” resumes), but open minded scientists should also see it is possible that lockdown would not have changed much and “peak deaths” around 8 March may have reflected the lagged ravages of a virus that had passed through most of the population already…

Like many things scientific, we may only have a really good idea once the data are in for the year. Whether or not it comes back, we will see soon enough.

Kenneth MacKillop
Kenneth MacKillop
3 years ago

The misuse of the word “science” has enabled a massive amount of non-scientific narrative. It is much too general and meaningless a term. I suggest the word “experiment” be considered instead. Changing one variable applies to a controlled experiment.

“Science” is also substituted for data and information inappropriately. The quality of data and experiments both vary widely, and much or most have negative value. Designing high-quality experiments and gathering high-accuracy data are very, very difficult.

Data and experiments are only two aspects and tools of science, and by no means the only ones. Both, in the absence of theory, are likely to be misused.

Liscarkat
Liscarkat
3 years ago

The way “science” is used by many in government and media strongly suggests they really have no idea what the word means. It has been reduced to signalling jargon.

Kenneth MacKillop
Kenneth MacKillop
3 years ago

For some reason, although not in this article, the month of September seems to be almost always predicted as the beginning of a “second wave”. This seems disingenuous and implausible to me.

November or December are more characteristic for a first seasonal wave of flu. That should be the default assumption, and these months are also well in advance of detection and lockdown in Wuhan.

September does, of course, mark the typical opening of schools. SARS-CoV-2 is absolutely remarkable in that children appear to be incapable of transmission.

The fans of lockdown (and these are a sickly feature of society IMO) seem desperate to sustain panic in the general populace, and what better and more widespread way to do this than to target parents?

As usual, many who use the word “science” (and I am not including the author or this article) in a cryptic, misleading, and virtue-signaling manner, are ignoring and contradicting what limited knowledge has been so far acquired in order to perpetuate their own interests and narrative. Hopefully common sense will prevail over these miscreants.

Russ Littler
Russ Littler
3 years ago

Of course there will be a second wave, and it will break out on the 1st of October, amid a flurry of media hype and scare stories promising Armageddon to the whole nation (to coincide with the US Election, of course). Any excuse to let the democrats and deepstate get their fraudulent postal voting system in place. Can’t have all those Trump supporters turning out at polling stations.

Adrian Smith
Adrian Smith
3 years ago

Just had my 52nd birthday celebration BBQ in my English garden with another household making the total number of people 8 (within Welsh and Scottish Rules). Oh dear will this affect R? No of course not. It is not about the rules, but how sensibly people apply them (rules are for the obedience of fools and guidance of the wise). Having a load of people reasonably well spaced on the beach near Durdle Door, all then crunched up together so an air ambulance can land to sort out 3 idiots tomb-stoning was not really thought about in the rules was it?

Ultimately the release from lockdown is not some sort of great science experiment, nor is it about simple rules, nor is it about death figures and how the MSM and govt spin them. It is about people managing personal risk whilst being socially responsible. When the glib messages get ditched and a serious conversation happens about those issues, then maybe we might just get somewhere,

Surely when we want to learn from other countries the richest source of useful data is Sweden. It seems that using or even referring to Swedish data is like making use of Nazi human experimentation data.

r j
r j
3 years ago

Infective illness is cyclical and further wave of infection with SARS-2 is possible. It is unrealistic to presume or portray every human, regardless of concomitant factors, as vulnerable to SARS-2 in every circumstance. We do not live in a Victorian fog of ignorance and individual resistance to infection (viral or otherwise) is not “mystical” but a combination of well known factors such as dose, exposure time, natural responses to infection, concomitant illness etc. Importantly viral particles themselves are not static entities and mutation means, not that they continue unabated to decimate the human population but their adverse impact is modified and in almost every case attenuated. Many to the point of them being detectable but to all normal circumstances, and for most healthy people, invisible aspects of the complex environment we live in. A bit like the insect parts that are evident in every foodstuff depending only on how hard you look. Instilling fear among an average population of mystic and unavoidable waves of death by comments made or taken out of context is truly unhelpful and unjustifiable. What’s required is more understanding of basics and a less blinkered academic comment that fails to take into account the bigger picture. A lot of this pandemics impact will undoubtedly be due to the unique and complex global governmental responses that have altered and impacted affected populations. Unravelling it will not be possible just as calling for altering matters one variable at a time in some bizzare playtime experiment is frankly absurd. It’s too important an issue for such a simplistic approach more fitting to schooldays.

Michael de Podesta
Michael de Podesta
3 years ago

Tom Chivers:

Thank you for your clearly reasoned article. Please allow me to add one note about average R and fluctuations. For people who do not live alone, it is very hard to not spread the virus to at least one other person. So for one hundred people, many people will inevitably spread it to at least one other person. So we are relying on ‘heroes’ to stick to the rules and transmit the virus to nobody else. But as you point out, fluctuations upwards can grow very large – whereas fluctuations downwards are bounded at zero. So it is quite easy for the average R to grow above unity.

In the UK there are still over 100,000 actively ill people, so it is practically certain that some of these ill people will seed new and growing outbreaks. It is like trying to put out a wildfire – even after the main fire is contained – as long as even a single ember remains, the possibility of the fire re-starting remains. I think we may have to live with situation for quite some time.

Best wishes

Michael

nickandyrose
nickandyrose
3 years ago

Once a virus gets into your population, you’ve lost control of it. End of discussion. We should have shut our borders, rather than locking down the entire population. Too late for that now, so all we can do is protect our vulnerable while the rest of us get on with life. There is no other way.

James B
James B
3 years ago
Reply to  nickandyrose

If we “shut our borders” we’d starve. The UK hasn’t been self-sufficient in food since the 18th century

Adrian Smith
Adrian Smith
3 years ago

WRT the South West. The economy there is reliant on tourism. As soon as it is worth going there because things are open, people will head there as going abroad is not a realistic option. Infection will spread there. The death rate is highest in over 60s (over 91% of deaths in England iaw NHS England data). The South West has a higher proportion of older people. If they do not shield themselves, they are going to be hit badly, that is inevitable. What is needed is a proper explanation of risk so people can make their own sensible decisions based on their own circumstances.

There can be no doubt that the virus is both ageist and sexist. However, I have my doubts over whether the virus is racist (the implication of what was announced today), as I believe when all the factors are properly isolated, the differences between people of different races will be minimal. I have grave concerns about do-gooding ideas that we should treat people of different colour differently for their own good. There does not seem to be any clamour to protect men, who very clearly are more affected (about 2/3 of deaths are in men, despite there being more older women because female life expectancy has been greater than male life expectancy for decades). How about we make it mandatory for BAME to wear face masks outside their own house – seems like a good idea? Perhaps we should make Jews wear yellow stars too. Hmm perhaps not, but that just an exaggeration of the downsides of treating people differently just because of their race.

T J Putnam
T J Putnam
3 years ago

Good overview Glad to see that the variability of case transmission is coming more into view. Close analysis of early clusters indicated that >80% of cases came from <20% of infected, indicating that shutting down superspreader contexts and individuals should be the focus of future controls.
The extent and duration of cross immunity with the widespread beta corona cold viruses needs further study. Kinsella et al included these in their second wave modelling (Science, 22 May) and they could affect both the magnitude and timing of subsequent waves. Important to remember that coronavirus cold immunities are known to be of about 10 months duration, so collective inter-corona immunities if significant now, will also fall significantly later this year.

thomaspelham
thomaspelham
3 years ago
Reply to  T J Putnam

Although if it’s a matter of superspreaders it’s good news; they will catch it early and then cease spreading, and are unlikely to catch it again. This reduces % required for herd immunity.

Michael Dawson
Michael Dawson
3 years ago
Reply to  thomaspelham

Isn’t the point about superspreaders not that they are especially virulent, but that they are normally virulent but are in a place and acting in a manner that quickly spreads the virus to other people nearby? There may be an element of the former, but the latter seems more likely, as Tom’s article suggested.

Neil John
Neil John
3 years ago

Most probably, and most likely imported via a ‘safe’ nation from a hotspot elsewhere in the world, or direct by dingy…

Jean Redpath
Jean Redpath
3 years ago

What will happen in countries like Australia and New Zealand, who haven’t even had a first wave?

Satya Kanwarova
Satya Kanwarova
3 years ago

The vast majority of countries have not even experienced a first wave, and the disease is already declining in them. In fact this wave has been confined to a handful of countries in Europe, NY State and possibly Brazil. So surely the question to ask first is why is it that these countries got a first wave.

C Arros
C Arros
3 years ago

Sadly, another article saying nothing and stoking the already existing irrational fear…

You quote Dr. Lewis “The measures have been coming one after the other or at the same time, so it will be very difficult to unpick the effect of any one measure”. In principal it seems something one could agree with.

But wait, wasn’t that exactly what happened with the introduction of the lockdown measures, leaving us now in this uncomfortable situation of not knowing which measures have really had an impact?

And then you mention as well the Spanish flu without putting it really in context (incidentally it is reported as having come in 3, not only 2 waves, source https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.go… ). If we wanted to use the Spanish flu as a reminder of how dangerous pandemics can be and to justify the (not so) swift (over-)reaction in the present crisis, we should have recognized now for some time already that fortunately nothing similar is befalling us on this occasion and we should have stopped the fearmongering. It is not to belittle the tragic cost of lives in the coronacrisis, but we are a far cry from the death toll of the 1918 flu ranging in estimates from 20 to 100 million people worldwide with a global population being about a third of the one of today. Furthermore it was particularly deadly for young adults between 20 to 40 years of age, as such a trait uncommon for influenza outbreaks, but not having been seen in the present pandemic either.

So yes, let us conclude that when facts become clearer, we should change our minds, stop fearmongering and resume our lives.

James Watson
James Watson
3 years ago

Great article!
A fourth potential reason could be a seasonal effect. (something you see for many respiratory infections)

Michael Yeadon
Michael Yeadon
3 years ago

I think of the explanations offered, the only one which is consistent with the totality of the data is the emergence of sufficient levels of population immunity that the disease pretty much dies out as a massed risk. There won’t be a ‘second spike’ in areas of lower pop immunity either, because contact density is too low to attain critical (infected) mass to get runaway infection.

Michael Dawson
Michael Dawson
3 years ago

To my mind the track and trace issue has been viewed from the wrong perspective.

Getting a system in place that will work very effectively going forward – trying to find people who may be infected before they show symptoms or start infecting others – will be very hard. The UK has obvious cultural differences compared with South Korea, for example, and the spread of the virus is much greater. Technology is unproven.

I’d focus on using track and trace to find out how the disease has already spread, which should greatly help in focusing restrictions on key risks – for example, as Tom mentioned, if superspreaders are key, avoiding situations where one person can simultaneously infect tens more would be a top priority. Or does the data suggest parents of school age children are more or less vulnerable than non-parents with otherwise the same characteristics? The government has a huge database of people who have been confirmed positive. Pick a large enough sample at random and start finding out how they caught the disease and whether they have passed it on. This should have been done from the start, but I have seen nothing to suggest that the government has been doing this. Please correct me if I’m wrong. (I am not saying this with the great benefit of hindsight: I’ve made the same point here and elsewhere for weeks now.)

I B
I B
3 years ago

“we’re trying to make a country that works for its citizens”.
You don’t seriously believe this do you? It’s time to get the human capital exploited again, nothing more than that. The capitalists are losing surplus value – this must stop, even if some of the human capital is lost. It’s all replaceable anyway.