Cobblers Some of us have not stopped using buses and tubes every day because we have to work still, the idea that working class people will not be back on the buses and tubes from day 1 after the lockdown is fanciful middle class crap. If you are poor and you are told to go back to work you do or lose your job! Working class people will get over any fear asap as they have rent to pay and if you do a manual job, cycling and walking to work like I would have to do of about 12 miles there and back is not practical. When the lockdown is over open up as normal, we will survive, we have no choice
marksviljoen
4 years ago
I will happily ride a train, tram, bus or airplane as soon as all the blooming knee jerking fear mongers get out of the way and allow us to. For those that choose such, you can go and sit in an isolated cubicle somewhere and wait for the “end of the world”! Me, I’m all so ready to get LIVING again and I’m more than happy with the actual numbers to know that the real risks are hopelessly inflated. Governments all around the world have to orchestrate a staged reentry of everyone back into the work place only because to simply end the lock down would be tantamount to actually admitting they over reacted and truly screwed up! Many are already regurgitating the narrative that the “curve” also based upon bullshit data, is only flattening because of their swift reactions. I’d like to give most of them the toe end of my boot and see how swiftly they react to that!
jeff.m.herman
4 years ago
I will have no concerns in London travelling on crowded public transport, which I normally try and avoid by being on the tube at 6am and returning either early or post the hour. I was travelling on the tube up until the lockdown and flying on the 2nd Feb. and I have lived to tell the tale. I would be more at risk riding a bike or scooter.
Wulvis Perveravsson
4 years ago
Some fair points, but largely a manifesto to increase the profitability of his own business interests.
Michael Dawson
4 years ago
The 2m social distancing rule is not discussed here, it’s just taken as a given. As far as I’m aware, there is no real science behind it. The WHO says 1m. It could be more. 2m is very likely safer than 1m, but by how much? The 2m rule was also initiated in a world where mask wearing was not mandatory in public enclosed spaces. Masks should reduce airborne inflections, potentially by a lot. It would be nice to think that in the time we have been in lockdown, the authorities might have been initiating research to get a better picture of just what the risks are of getting the virus from different sources and the relative importance of different aspects of the lockdown. Public transport sounds riskier than a walk in the park, but by roughly what factor? There are no easy answers in any of this, I fear, but there should be better informed answers if the right analysis is being done. I do not have any great expectations that it is, though.
Dougie Undersub
4 years ago
“Restrict passenger numbers”? How is that going to work? Where will people queue safely before being allowed onboard?
Paul Ridley-Smith
4 years ago
I like many of the points made – esp looking for technology lead solutions that maximse existing infrastructure (ie roads). I don’t care if its Uber or someone else, but bring on the Uber share concept of booking and sharing a point to point shuttle/van. Strangely enough, share shuttles/vans on flexible routes have been common in developing countries for decades – with the not immaterial benefit that they’re mostly out of reach of local government bureaucratic transport planners.
Juilan Bonmottier
4 years ago
I think after all this has passed we should maintain the 2 meter rule in public life purely on grounds of courtesy, comfort and overcrowding control.
Cobblers
Some of us have not stopped using buses and tubes every day because we have to work still, the idea that working class people will not be back on the buses and tubes from day 1 after the lockdown is fanciful middle class crap.
If you are poor and you are told to go back to work you do or lose your job!
Working class people will get over any fear asap as they have rent to pay and if you do a manual job, cycling and walking to work like I would have to do of about 12 miles there and back is not practical.
When the lockdown is over open up as normal, we will survive, we have no choice
I will happily ride a train, tram, bus or airplane as soon as all the blooming knee jerking fear mongers get out of the way and allow us to. For those that choose such, you can go and sit in an isolated cubicle somewhere and wait for the “end of the world”! Me, I’m all so ready to get LIVING again and I’m more than happy with the actual numbers to know that the real risks are hopelessly inflated. Governments all around the world have to orchestrate a staged reentry of everyone back into the work place only because to simply end the lock down would be tantamount to actually admitting they over reacted and truly screwed up! Many are already regurgitating the narrative that the “curve” also based upon bullshit data, is only flattening because of their swift reactions. I’d like to give most of them the toe end of my boot and see how swiftly they react to that!
I will have no concerns in London travelling on crowded public transport, which I normally try and avoid by being on the tube at 6am and returning either early or post the hour. I was travelling on the tube up until the lockdown and flying on the 2nd Feb. and I have lived to tell the tale. I would be more at risk riding a bike or scooter.
Some fair points, but largely a manifesto to increase the profitability of his own business interests.
The 2m social distancing rule is not discussed here, it’s just taken as a given. As far as I’m aware, there is no real science behind it. The WHO says 1m. It could be more. 2m is very likely safer than 1m, but by how much? The 2m rule was also initiated in a world where mask wearing was not mandatory in public enclosed spaces. Masks should reduce airborne inflections, potentially by a lot. It would be nice to think that in the time we have been in lockdown, the authorities might have been initiating research to get a better picture of just what the risks are of getting the virus from different sources and the relative importance of different aspects of the lockdown. Public transport sounds riskier than a walk in the park, but by roughly what factor? There are no easy answers in any of this, I fear, but there should be better informed answers if the right analysis is being done. I do not have any great expectations that it is, though.
“Restrict passenger numbers”? How is that going to work? Where will people queue safely before being allowed onboard?
I like many of the points made – esp looking for technology lead solutions that maximse existing infrastructure (ie roads). I don’t care if its Uber or someone else, but bring on the Uber share concept of booking and sharing a point to point shuttle/van. Strangely enough, share shuttles/vans on flexible routes have been common in developing countries for decades – with the not immaterial benefit that they’re mostly out of reach of local government bureaucratic transport planners.
I think after all this has passed we should maintain the 2 meter rule in public life purely on grounds of courtesy, comfort and overcrowding control.
We may need to build bigger trains.