You ignore the large elephants in the room. First, housework has decreased significantly because men invented the many appliances the lightened it. Second, housework is always counted in a way that ignores chores like washing the car, remodeling, fixing things etc. Related, many still work significantly more hours. For a full time job, men tend to work 6 (!) hours more per month, that is almost a full day. Third, somehow in the US males pay 80% of taxes and women only 20%, indicating that what they come up short in the home, they make overwhelmingly outside. Last, many men work dirty, dangerous, and hard jobs that women avoid like the plague. The biggest difference is that men tend to complain less, which has created a very unbalanced narrative
Simone de Beauvoir, and in Holland Joke Smit, drove feminism but were very much aware that women would not voluntarily leave the home. As you describe, they need to be shamed in fulfilling their most fundamental role in nature before they give it up.
Al Jahom
4 years ago
The kindest thing we could do for our medics is burn the NHS to the ground and employ them in a modern, mixed, insurance-based health service like in most European countries, where their talent, dedication and value to society are reflected in the quality of workplace and equipment they (and therefore we) are provided with.
Theresa Coe
4 years ago
I am a woman who hates cooking and cleaning. My male partner is better at both than I am and more willing to cook, which he enjoys. He has children, I don’t. He raised one of them alone and is a brilliant, committed father. We split all bills equally, or according to means when one of us is doing better financially than the other. For years, I paid for our holidays as his outgoings as a father didn’t permit such luxuries. This includes paying a cleaner. Are we exploiting this person? I don’t think so. We pay her well and she is brilliant at her job and grateful for the money, which she really needs right now. Is our home life so unusual or am I right in thinking that loads of men play a hands on role in childcare and household chores nowadays? I’m originally a Londoner, now in my late 40s. I can’t stand sexism, particularly by women against men. Equal rights means equal responsibilities. Where I live in Europe, I have never experienced sexism from men. Or maybe I prefer to recognize that some people in the west, regardless of sex, are just low-intellect idiots. I pay them no mind. If we insist on celebrating Women’s Day in the developed world, we should have one for men too. And perhaps another for goats or hat-stands.
nicolaperry2
4 years ago
Well said T Hopp
Miriam Uí
4 years ago
This crisis is highlighting the value of care work like never before. It would be great if this translates into higher social esteem and better pay for care workers after this crisis is all over. Whether this time will lead to the revalorisation of stay at home mothers is less likely…
Steve Craddock
4 years ago
I believe that pay is probably a function of how many people are chasing a specific type of job who have the relevant skills needed to do the job successfully. Whereas the value to society of a role is something different entirely. Although there is a continual implication of a correlation in the general media circles to make a headline, I think it is a fallacious argument that aids neither the subject nor reader of an article as people instinctively see the deep paradox being created by the author for which no realistic solution is actually being proposed. The worse tension arises where highly socially valued workers are seen to try and barter their high socially valued roles and standing for more pay while at the same time often saying how much they love the job and all the non material rewards they get from doing it. I think there is a truism somewhere here but I can’t quite put my finger on it.
heslin415
4 years ago
How about we pay nurses/carers as much as we do to our doctors? Will you be happy then? It’s so funny to see how you feminists enjoy exaggerating the role played by carers/nurses and ignoring the biological differences between males and females.
Paul T
4 years ago
My observations suggest that 90% of women will not climb up a ladder to empty the gutters, nor take the vacuum cleaner apart to fix a blockage, nor pick up a tin of paint or put up a fence. It doesn’t make them bad people. They were made to undertake softer or more caring jobs and real world data from Scandinavia, as famously quoted to the harridan Cathy Newman by Jordan Peterson, shows that given full equality of opportunity women will still gravitate towards traditional female job roles and away from those dominated by men (show me the all female motorway repair team Harrington). I agree that carers are great, although I wish successive governments and lesbian intellectual feminists and Marxists hadn’t destroyed the idea and economic viability of the traditional family and with it the ability of families to look after their own confused, sick and dying.
You ignore the large elephants in the room. First, housework has decreased significantly because men invented the many appliances the lightened it. Second, housework is always counted in a way that ignores chores like washing the car, remodeling, fixing things etc. Related, many still work significantly more hours. For a full time job, men tend to work 6 (!) hours more per month, that is almost a full day. Third, somehow in the US males pay 80% of taxes and women only 20%, indicating that what they come up short in the home, they make overwhelmingly outside. Last, many men work dirty, dangerous, and hard jobs that women avoid like the plague. The biggest difference is that men tend to complain less, which has created a very unbalanced narrative
Simone de Beauvoir, and in Holland Joke Smit, drove feminism but were very much aware that women would not voluntarily leave the home. As you describe, they need to be shamed in fulfilling their most fundamental role in nature before they give it up.
The kindest thing we could do for our medics is burn the NHS to the ground and employ them in a modern, mixed, insurance-based health service like in most European countries, where their talent, dedication and value to society are reflected in the quality of workplace and equipment they (and therefore we) are provided with.
I am a woman who hates cooking and cleaning. My male partner is better at both than I am and more willing to cook, which he enjoys. He has children, I don’t. He raised one of them alone and is a brilliant, committed father. We split all bills equally, or according to means when one of us is doing better financially than the other. For years, I paid for our holidays as his outgoings as a father didn’t permit such luxuries. This includes paying a cleaner. Are we exploiting this person? I don’t think so. We pay her well and she is brilliant at her job and grateful for the money, which she really needs right now. Is our home life so unusual or am I right in thinking that loads of men play a hands on role in childcare and household chores nowadays?
I’m originally a Londoner, now in my late 40s. I can’t stand sexism, particularly by women against men. Equal rights means equal responsibilities. Where I live in Europe, I have never experienced sexism from men. Or maybe I prefer to recognize that some people in the west, regardless of sex, are just low-intellect idiots. I pay them no mind. If we insist on celebrating Women’s Day in the developed world, we should have one for men too. And perhaps another for goats or hat-stands.
Well said T Hopp
This crisis is highlighting the value of care work like never before. It would be great if this translates into higher social esteem and better pay for care workers after this crisis is all over. Whether this time will lead to the revalorisation of stay at home mothers is less likely…
I believe that pay is probably a function of how many people are chasing a specific type of job who have the relevant skills needed to do the job successfully. Whereas the value to society of a role is something different entirely. Although there is a continual implication of a correlation in the general media circles to make a headline, I think it is a fallacious argument that aids neither the subject nor reader of an article as people instinctively see the deep paradox being created by the author for which no realistic solution is actually being proposed. The worse tension arises where highly socially valued workers are seen to try and barter their high socially valued roles and standing for more pay while at the same time often saying how much they love the job and all the non material rewards they get from doing it.
I think there is a truism somewhere here but I can’t quite put my finger on it.
How about we pay nurses/carers as much as we do to our doctors? Will you be happy then? It’s so funny to see how you feminists enjoy exaggerating the role played by carers/nurses and ignoring the biological differences between males and females.
My observations suggest that 90% of women will not climb up a ladder to empty the gutters, nor take the vacuum cleaner apart to fix a blockage, nor pick up a tin of paint or put up a fence. It doesn’t make them bad people. They were made to undertake softer or more caring jobs and real world data from Scandinavia, as famously quoted to the harridan Cathy Newman by Jordan Peterson, shows that given full equality of opportunity women will still gravitate towards traditional female job roles and away from those dominated by men (show me the all female motorway repair team Harrington).
I agree that carers are great, although I wish successive governments and lesbian intellectual feminists and Marxists hadn’t destroyed the idea and economic viability of the traditional family and with it the ability of families to look after their own confused, sick and dying.