by Debbie Hayton
Saturday, 19
November 2022
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Trans ideology has split America

Attitudes to gender in red and blue states now form a major policy battleground
by Debbie Hayton
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Gender identity ideology has had a profound impact on British politics, but it is tearing the United States apart. The rhetoric from red states and blue states could hardly be more polarised.

In the red corner, Ron DeSantis has been noticeably outspoken. On so-called ‘gender affirming care’ for children, he called for doctors to “be sued”, pointing out that “they don’t tell you what that is […] They are actually giving very young girls double mastectomies; they want to castrate these young boys.”

Those views did not seem to turn off his electorate. While the red wave failed to flood the rest of the country, DeSantis was re-elected governor of Florida with a thumping majority — the largest margin of any Florida governor in 40 years. What used to be thought of as a swing state is now solidly Republican. 

In California, the line taken is strikingly different. The blue state has even passed a bill offering legal refuge to transgender youths, presumably fleeing the likes of DeSantis and his policies. Democratic state governor Gavin Newsom said, “We believe that no one should be prosecuted or persecuted for getting the care they need — including gender-affirming care.” Newsom was also re-elected in the recent midterms, in his case with the biggest California majority for 50 years.  

The madness does not stop there. The city of San Francisco now offers a Guaranteed Income for Trans People (or GIFT) which will provide 55 eligible residents with $1,200 per month for up to 18 months to “help address financial insecurity”.

DeSantis’s views have become notorious to Democrats across the country. The New York State Democratic Party painted him as a bogeyman, accusing him of bragging about “passing transphobic laws in Florida”. Their evidence? They attached a clip of him defending the integrity of women’s sports. 

The problem with the transgender debate is one of reaching compromise. The arguments are binary – “transwomen are women”, or we are not women. Identity is affirmed or it is challenged. There is no middle ground. In Britain, differing positions are taken within each of the major political parties. Even the SNP faced a rebellion over the first reading of the bill to reform the GRA in Scotland. But in the U.S. it has become partisan. The Republicans challenge what the Democrats affirm.

This is real politics affecting real people’s lives. Following Newsom’s offer of refuge, Florida’s medical boards approved a rule that would prohibit doctors from prescribing puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones to children. They have also put a stop to sex reassignment surgeries and other surgical procedures that alter primary or secondary sexual characteristics in under-18s.

It also goes to the very top. The President himself recently fawned over TikTok influencer Dylan Mulvaney — on Day 222 of Mulvaney’s “being a girl” project. Joe Biden was clear what he thought, “I don’t think any state or anybody should have the right to [ban gender affirming healthcare].”

On this issue, DeSantis is right. And Biden is wrong. No state should be using drugs — with such profound consequences — to treat what is a mental health condition in children. But is that a reason to vote Republican rather than Democrat? If it is, then the United States has entered the twilight zone where the medical treatment of a tiny group of people has displaced the economic and social policies that affect everyone. That is bad for democracy. And it is bad for America.

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Rosie Cirtis
Rosie Cirtis
11 days ago

I voted Republican across the ticket for the first time ever in the mid terms. I will continue to do until the Democrats actually look at the safe guarding issues around minors.
I rented a room in my house to a trans identified male. He thought it would be ‘fun’ to buy a bunch of hard liquor for 6 young girls coming back to my house to celebrate prom night.

I rented an apartment to a trans identified male who couldn’t work because of his ‘medical procedures’.
The apartment was not cleaned once, the entire time they were there and two adult males claimed they could not afford rent at $550 a month. They lived in squalor with paddles and dog collars hung on the walls.

I saw the devastation on my client’s face as they realized that fully supporting their daughters genital mutilations and hormone induced infertility had not solved her mental health issues.

I saw another friend, who never put down boundaries or paid attention to his sons as they grew up and instead spent his time flirting with other women and having affairs, shrug his shoulders when one of his sons decided to identify as a woman. The sadness and bewilderment of that shrug was palpable.

I cancelled my membership at the ymca. I don’t want to undress in the same space as adult males who I have know since they were toddlers. I don’t undress in front of my adult son. I will go to a nudist colony if I want to be naked around strangers of the opposite sex.

I had to check with my daughter when she left for college to make sure she did understand that it’s not possible to change sex. I couldn’t believe I felt I had to actually do that.
Trans ideology is a destructive double speak fiction that is wreaking havoc.

And I have had to walk away from my progressive world and count myself lucky that I was a teenager in the 1980s in the UK, where being gender non conforming, interested in traditionally male pursuits, liking women and having blue hair didn’t get you put on a drugged up path to genital mutation.

Changing the definition of female is not a minor issue. Neither is mutilating and drugging children by the thousands, with the blessing of the medical profession and the government.

Rosie Cirtis
Rosie Cirtis
11 days ago
Reply to  Rosie Cirtis

I also have another trans identified tenant who is a magnificent human being, works their ass off in menial jobs and looks after all sorts of other people to boot. I was more than happy to rewrite the lease with their new name, so they could get a car loan. I wish all my tenants were so disposed.

Debbie’s writings are a life line of sanity for me, I read everything she writes, and she has my utmost respect and appreciation.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
10 days ago
Reply to  Rosie Cirtis

Nice story. IMO only a small fraction of people actually support puberty blockers and medical procedures for kids. On the other hand, I would hope most people support a person’s right to live as they like, I wonder what your tenant thinks about medical interventions for children?

Brian Villanueva
Brian Villanueva
9 days ago
Reply to  Rosie Cirtis

I have known only 1 real transvestite in my life, a man I worked with in theatre 30 years ago. He was like your tenant. And what he wanted most in the world was to “pass”. He didn’t think he was a woman. He would have been appalled at men in women’s locker rooms. All the surveys indicate that the vast majority of true transvestites and transexuals are like your tenant and my coworker, completely unlike the loud, obnoxious, “let me into your spaces, you bigots”, trannie activists today.

Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
9 days ago
Reply to  Rosie Cirtis

Transgenderism was correctly identified as a form of mental illness until recently. About 25 years ago, John Hopkins University Medical School- largely funded by alum Michael Bloomberg- stopped its world renown ‘transgender surgery clinic’ when it became apparent that operating on these people did not cure what was ailing them mentally. In fact, the surgeries were leading some to suicide. That the medical profession has ‘forgotten’ this research shows how craven they are in pursuit of money.

opop anax
opop anax
11 days ago

A sinister repurposing of the word “healthcare” has entered the woke lexicon. “Reproductive healthcare” now means no-questions-asked abortion up to and including birth, the Canadian MAID system of assisted dying for those too inconvenient to nurture in life is accepted as compassionate “healthcare“, and mutilation of the sex organs of children is now called “gender affirming healthcare“.
Language is dogmatic and such re-purposing does what it is designed to do to the human psyche. The thought engineering is not benign or philanthropic.

Simon S
Simon S
11 days ago
Reply to  opop anax

I agree wholeheartedly. Thank the good Lord that the NHS has rewritten its guidelines (recently published) and no longer prescribe medication on request to pre pubescent children but explore through psychological evaluation and support as a first step. A step back to common sense.

Ian Stewart
Ian Stewart
11 days ago
Reply to  Simon S

But they still publish guidance that won’t refer to women. People with a cervix, etc.

Its laughable, but tragic, that these daft dogooders with their ‘inclusive’ approach, will hugely increase the numbers of immigrant women whose grasp of English is poor from identifying health services tailored for their biological sex.

Last edited 11 days ago by Ian Stewart
Nikki Hayes
Nikki Hayes
8 days ago
Reply to  Ian Stewart

This apparently varies between NHS Trusts – obviously it is wrong that any trust should try to erase women from their vocabulary but its not quite as widespead as the media would have you believe. You are of course quite correct about possible confusion for those whom English is not their first language, many doctors are also concerned about this.

Joan Pearson
Joan Pearson
9 days ago
Reply to  Simon S

This sensible approach does not include Scotland. The Scottish government has declined, so far, to implement the recommendations of the Case Teport.

Penny Adrian
Penny Adrian
11 days ago

Thank You so much, Debbie. My son is a trans man and I am terrified by the insanity of so called “trans allies”.
All my son wants is to live in peace, free from discrimination in employment, healthcare, education, housing, and adoption (he would like to foster adopt a child one day).
He does not want or need to force people to deny the fact that he is genetically female, nor does he need to force people to erase female biology from the discussion of reproductive rights.
He does not need to see trans women making a fool of themselves (and by extension, innocent bystanders like yourself) by competing with genetic women in sports.
He does not need to see underage kids getting double mastectomies or destroying their bones & brain development with puberty blockers.
I think my son is in the majority in that trans activism not only does not represent him, it undermines him by making trans people appear perverted and insane.
I despise trans activists because I love my son.
I also despise them because they harm trans women like yourself, who are kind, generous, brave and compassionate.
Thank You for your courage, Debbie.
We must not let trans activists pretend they speak for the majority of trans people and their loved ones.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
10 days ago
Reply to  Penny Adrian

The politicization of the trans issue is dehumanizing. It marches lock step with the tiresome critical theory movement. People are not individuals. They must identify as a member of their tribe and any deviation is not accepted.

Ian S
Ian S
8 days ago
Reply to  Penny Adrian

And thank you, Penny, for your wisdom and sagacity.

Nikki Hayes
Nikki Hayes
8 days ago
Reply to  Penny Adrian

Very true – the vast majority of trans men and women just want the equal rights they already have under law, and to quietly get on with their lives. The sad thing is, the noisy minority of vocal activists is actually increasing prejudice and hate against trans people.

Arkadian X
Arkadian X
11 days ago

“…the United States has entered the twilight zone where the medical treatment of a tiny group of people has displaced the economic and social policies that affect everyone.”
How very true, but it is no different in the UK. How can you vote for someone saying literally that the sky is green and water dry – even when it is a nice sunny day and you are standing in the sea.

Last edited 11 days ago by Andrea X
Doug Pingel
Doug Pingel
11 days ago
Reply to  Arkadian X

Or anyone who refuses tell you if the sky has a colour.

Jim Jam
Jim Jam
11 days ago

The problem with the transgender debate is one of reaching compromise. The arguments are binary

They have to be, because the debate essentially boils down to what and what isn’t fundamentally true. Any half-positions can and are leavered by bad actors to compel the acceptance of falsehoods.

And it’s even worse than that. Its becoming inncreasingly clear that concessions in this area – concessions that absolutely rely on emotional blackmail and the naked exploitation of liberal principles – are not in anyway limited to it, and seem intended to set the ball rolling on a campaign of radical subjectivism; a postmodernist wet dream where the pillars of enlightenment rationalism, truth and reasoning can be levelled. One only needs to read the scribblings of ‘Queer Theorists’ or see the extremist political leanings of many of the loudest ‘trans rights’ activists to plainly see that their key motivation is to release into society a sort of postmodern cultural acid that dissolves any barriers to acheiving their idiotic (or probably more accurately, genocidally dangerous) Utopia.

Maybe it’s easy for me to take this position because I don’t personally know any people who wish to pretend they are the opposite sex, and maybe I could see myself using upon polite request their prefered pronouns. But I’m afraid for me this is where the compromise has to end.

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Brian Villanueva
Brian Villanueva
10 days ago
Reply to  Jim Jam

You’re right. The question is whether reality exists or not. Postmodernism says it doesn’t and that we create it by our descriptions, hence offensive words are violence and anyone who claims to be a woman is one.
The one saving grace is that this view is both demonstrable false and so socially destructive that it will collapse eventually. It has to; it’s built on false assumptions of what “human” is. However, 20th century Russia gives us a graphic example of how long antihuman ideologies can manage to hang on, and how many generations’ libes they can ruin. That’s why fighting trans and postmodernism in general now is so important.

Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
9 days ago
Reply to  Jim Jam

I read somewhere recently that the word “utopia” was coined by Thomas More by modifying the Greek word “eutopia” which meant, literally, “good place”. More’s coinage meant, literally, “no place”.

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
9 days ago

There seems to be a confusion between rights and ideals. In an ideal world nobody would starve. In an ideal world nobody would freeze to death. In an ideal world everyone would have access to medical care. In an ideal world everyone would have freedom of religion. In an ideal world there would be no discrimination. We don’t live in an ideal world, we live in an actual world in which these ideals are dependent on people working (for example farmers and nurses and prices are affordable the poorest) and accepting these ideals.

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R Wright
R Wright
11 days ago

I’m still just waiting for the mass-delusion to end when the personal injury lawyers start sniffing around. Expect hundreds of billions in class action lawsuits by 2040.

Ian Stewart
Ian Stewart
11 days ago
Reply to  R Wright

Yeah, in the next 5-10 years these lawsuits will come about, and we’ll be paying zillions in compensation from our taxes for the doctors who approved this medical abuse of children.

Future historians will find it difficult to believe that a supposedly normal society promoted this extremist ideology for confused children which doesn’t differ much from the Eugenics experiments practised against the Jews in Germany.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
11 days ago
Reply to  Ian Stewart

The US is no slouch when it comes to eugenics.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
10 days ago
Reply to  R Wright

There will be many, many lawsuits for mind-blowingly large settlements.

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
10 days ago

What it’s REALLY about is parental rights vs. the rights of the state. Nobody, even in Florida, is saying a consenting adult can’t get any surgery they require or get any medical treatment. All DeSantis and the laws they passed are really saying is that the state and the medical industry do NOT have the right to go around parental rights and treat children without parental consent, which honestly doesn’t seem like something we should even need to argue, but alas, these are the times we live in. The Democrats have gotten altogether too preachy and too willing to disregard individual rights in their drive for collective goals. The author is right. It makes no sense that an issue that affects a fraction of a percent of people should be so important, but this is how creeping totalitarianism gains entry into a democratic, free state. The trans rights issue is just the thin end of the wedge of government usurping ALL parental rights. I’m reminded of 1984 where parents fear their own children because the children became de facto agents of the state.
“Nearly all children nowadays were horrible. What was worst of all was that by means of such organizations as the Spies they were systematically turned into ungovernable little savages, and yet this produced in them no tendency whatever to rebel against the discipline of the Party. On the contrary, they adored the Party and everything connected with it…. All their ferocity was turned outwards, against the enemies of the State, against foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals. It was almost normal for people over thirty to be frightened of their own children.”
–George Orwell

Jim Jam
Jim Jam
11 days ago

What does compromise look like though, and how do you prevent the boundaries either side of this compromise becoming the new battleground(s)?

The debate, it seems to me, is forever destined to become polarised because at a fundamental level it is a question about truth.

Simon James
Simon James
11 days ago
Reply to  Jim Jam

Well said, you beat me to it. It’s really as simple as that. We fell asleep at the wheel and allowed the idea of ‘truth’ to be completely undermined by smart alec intellectuals while we were dreaming of better times. This is so not about sex or gender or whatever it will be called next year.

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
11 days ago
Reply to  Simon James

Plato lived two and a half millennia ago. In his philosophy he tried to develop a method for distinguishing between truth and falsehood, a method to expose the sophists who confounded with intricate but fallacious arguments: plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose.

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Simon James
Simon James
10 days ago

Indeed. If my aunt had b***s she’d be my uncle, as we used to say once upon a time in the West.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
11 days ago
Reply to  Jim Jam

One compromise would be to stop talking about what ‘women are’ – on either side. That can only lead to an all-or-nothing approach, where you either do violence to basic biology and people’s sense of security, or you totally reject some other people’s sense of self. Instead you accept that there are people who tick some (a few?) of the boxes that women tick, but not all of them, and deal with the world being less simple than we would like – much like we accept that birth mothers, surrogate mothers, and adoptive mothers are all, in their various ways, some kind of mother. Then you could deal with the questions individually. The public problem is how we should treat people in each context – what they ‘really are’ is something we can leave as a private matter.
Just some proposals: Women’s sports? Limited to those born and grown as women (including those, like Caster Semyona, with unusually masculine bodies). Public dressing rooms and lavatories? Open to those who have passed a clear and reasonably onerous rite of transition to the other sex, to rule out adventurers, and/or to those who have had the relevant surgery. I mean, they have to go somewhere and someone in a dress would look weird in the men’s room too. Prisons? Segregated by sex or maybe also by remaining genitals (you cannot have male genitals in a female prison, and vice versa). Feminist basis groups and all-women short lists? Well I see no particular need for either, but surely it is up to those who run the club to decide who can be a member.

Alison Wren
Alison Wren
8 days ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

This reduces womanhood to a feeling in a man’s head. Our bodies, socialisation, bad experiences at the hands of men, birthing traumas etc are as nothing compared to some men’s wish to present as some kind of woman. The vast majority of trans-identifying men are autogynephiles (formerly transvestites!) often with a history of huge consumption of online pornography. In the course of this struggle I have seen things I wish I never had, and had to try and explain to the “be kind” fraternity what this ideology leads to. The conspiracy to keep the details out of mainstream media is particularly concerning as is the silencing of many women’s voices, and the sacking of quite a few as well no wonder many are intimidated!

Last edited 8 days ago by Alison Wren
Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
8 days ago
Reply to  Alison Wren

That is not how I see it. After all, it does not demean womanhood to accept that adoptive mothers and surrogate mothers are some kind of mother, does it? I’ll admit that both of those groups have more claim to motherhood than trans women have to womanhood, but still… Trans women are pretty much a unique kind anyway. If can get rid of the all-or-nothing approach, we can accept that they are women for the purpose of how they dress, how they are addressed, and (with a suitable certificate) access to public toilets. In return the rest of us would be free to exclude them as women in other areas, where it is the actual body or the lived experience that matters most.

Alan B
Alan B
8 days ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

I do not agree, but you are nothing if not consistent. Your comment illustrates how latter-day liberal “culture” has basically left us with two choices: use the approved, abstracted, language (the prevailing position among activists); or just shut up (yours). Interesting how the second option comes with a ritual attached; it’s as if trans-figuration comes down works, not faith!

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
8 days ago
Reply to  Alan B

Consistently misunderstood, I am afraid 😉 I did not mean that we should stop using the word ‘woman’, just that we should stop banging on about who are ‘real’ or not, or assume that you count as a woman either always or never. We could get rid of the ‘cervix-havers’, ‘pregnant people’, and all that rubbish, adn talk about women the way we always have,; while still accepting that trans women are a (very particular) kind of woman, for some purposes.

Laura Kelly
Laura Kelly
8 days ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

Yeah, let’s talk about bathrooms. Do you propose that everyone’s genitals be checked at the door for “transition status”? Or maybe we should have bathroom certificates to be shown upon demand? Or just maybe, we don’t let men of any sort, lipsticked or not, into women’s spaces. If men are cruel to “trans women”, well that would be their problem and theirs to solve. Leave us out of it.

Laura Kelly
Laura Kelly
8 days ago
Reply to  Laura Kelly

And about prisons. Men’s “transition status” doesn’t change their sexuality or their criminality. Even if they wear makeup or even have genital surgery, men are DIFFERENT from women–they act out more sexually and are more aggressive and physically violent. This doesn’t seem to change much even with estrogen use. Putting a MAN in a cell with a woman is a crime against humanity.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
8 days ago
Reply to  Laura Kelly

A document or ID would do. If gender reassignment was not self-ID but controlled.

Nikki Hayes
Nikki Hayes
8 days ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

To a degree I agree with you – as a woman I would have no problem sharing single sex spaces with a trans woman who had gone through full gender reassignment surgery. I would have a serious problem sharing those spaces with someone who decided they fancy being a woman last month. I detest positive discrimination shortlists of any kind and also see no need for them.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
11 days ago

As in George Orwell’s 1984 we are expected to follow the official lie that men are women if they say they are promulgated by Democrats in the US and all too many Labour and Conservative politicians. I prefer my politicians to espouse the truth where it is clear.

David Yetter
David Yetter
10 days ago

But it isn’t really about medical treatment or medical abuse of a tiny group of people. It is about whether the state and medical professionals should be able to override parents’ right to raise their children. It is about whether elites can change the meaning of language to force people to do and think what they otherwise would not.
Gender ideology is the real-world analog of the Party announcing that 2 + 2 = 5.

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Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
10 days ago

It’s no accident that all this – including the equally bogus ‘racism’ debate – is occurring as the class divide widens at its fastest rate in history. Identity politics is what you get when leftists get rich and no longer want to talk about money.

Andrew McDonald
Andrew McDonald
9 days ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

Very well put.

Lancastrian Oik
Lancastrian Oik
10 days ago

As ever, the Left are exploiting and exaggerating the plight of a vanishingly small number of people, using human beings as a means to an end to make a political point.

They are utterly despicable.

Last edited 10 days ago by M P Griffiths
Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
10 days ago

I’m not buying the argument that gender ideology is dividing the US. I would doubt even 20% of Americans believe teenage boys should be given puberty blockers or teenage girls should have their breasts removed. Joe Biden is 120 years old. Does anyone seriously think he supports gender affirming surgery for teenagers? If gender ideology really is an issue, it’s a symptom of extreme political polarization in the US, not the cause of it.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
10 days ago

I’ll just add one thing. There’s a class war going on across the west. Gender ideology, racism, climate change, and all the cultural issues, are a convenient tool for the ruling elite to divide people and maintain their wealth, power and status. The left control all the institutions – media, academia, culture, big tech, big business, NGOs, the judiciary, the bureaucracy – and use these institutions to protect themselves.

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
10 days ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

This is

Albireo Double
Albireo Double
9 days ago

As stated, biology leaves no space for debate over “transgenderism”. The facts are the facts. There are just two sexes and one cannot “change sex”. So what’s really going on is political activism and attitudes.
Were proof of this needed, it is that for decades, “transgender” people have have been accommodated without a problem in the UK, but only since we had “transgender activism”, has there been a “transgender problem”.

Last edited 9 days ago by Albireo Double
Aldo Maccione
Aldo Maccione
9 days ago

i don’t agree with your conclusion.
Chosing one party or the other over this issue is not about the right for “treatment” for a tiny group, it’s about the right given to a tiny group to trample the rights of the majority, in the name of democracy. .

michael stanwick
michael stanwick
8 days ago
Reply to  Aldo Maccione

Close. IMO, I think the core of the issue is how we arrive at what constitutes reality. At the heart of the ideological phenomenon of trans-identifying individuals, are a series of claims – that they have an inner self/inner core of feelings/spirit/soul that inhabits and is different from their body. And through an identifying process, the expression of their self perception becomes an actual feature of reality. Finally, language must reflect that reality and others must be required to use that language and reflect that self perception.
The 1st claim cannot be tested and verified and therefore there is no compelling reason for thinking it does exist. As such, the claim it does exist is false. All the other claims collapse because of the status the 1st.
But the authoritarian demands can be met by refusing to perceive a trans-identifying individual the way they perceive themselves. Their self-perception is not a performance that everyone else must share in. Such demands are asking others to lie about their own perceptions.

Last edited 8 days ago by michael stanwick
Peter Johnson
Peter Johnson
9 days ago

If they are prepared to sacrifice children just to virtue signal for for a make believe cause – what else are they capable of.

N Forster
N Forster
11 days ago

I just heard on the radio of a small study showing that medicinal marijuana products had a remarkably beneficial effect with autistic children. Perhaps given the significant crossover between “trans” and autism in girls, this should be tried rather than pumping kids full of drugs designed for chemical castration?

Arnold Grutt
Arnold Grutt
11 days ago
Reply to  N Forster

At the moment the money is in ‘Trans’.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
9 days ago

You know what “gender affirming care” is? Health professionals treating people according to their chromosomes and their genitalia. Anything else is Frankenstein territory.

michael stanwick
michael stanwick
8 days ago

What is gender? What you are proposing is health professionals treating people according to their sex.

Tony Sandy
Tony Sandy
8 days ago

People can be more feminine or more masculine than their counterparts in gender roles but radical intervention wasn’t available in the past and people just got on with it in the main. Children aren’t gender positive until they reach puberty and their bodies tell them what roles they have been assigned by nature, not nurture (or should I say the persuasion of others – advertising that turns black into white, day into night. Lying in other words or fashion statements that defy reality. Like all these so called ‘bodily enhancements’ bum, boobs, face implants, teeth veneers etc, who is going to put all these deferred problems right in a few years time, when nature can’t deal with it anymore because all the real adults are going to be dead by then and who will the immature (Simple Simon says followers) blame for their own decisions then?).

Jerry Carroll
Jerry Carroll
8 days ago

I never tire of pointing out that transgenders are .003% of the population. The despicable mainstream media, captured by the left long ago, would lead you to believe from all its coverage that is more like 10% to 15% of the total. Oh, and a new study shows a dramatic loss of bone density in kids given these diabolical drugs.

Ian Stewart
Ian Stewart
11 days ago

Maybe DeSantis should fly illegal immigrants to California for the trans benefits – I’m sure they won’t mind playing along with the charade for some extra income.

Will Cummings
Will Cummings
8 days ago

Transracial surgery is going to be the next big thing. People of colorlessness will be surgically enhanced into genuine people of color with all the attendant rights and privileges of victimhood and oppression.

R Wright
R Wright
11 days ago

Deleted: accidental double post.

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Samuel Ross
Samuel Ross
10 days ago

How about abortion AFTER birth? I wonder …Here’s two legal parallels:Two cases: Person A owns land in the midst of Person B’s property. Does Person A have the right of ingress and egress?A stream runs thru both properties. Does Person B have the right to cut off the flow of water to Person A’s property?That’s the abortion question in a nutshell.

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Graeme McNeil
Graeme McNeil
9 days ago

DeSantis and his grotesque cronies are simply using the very serious health issues that some young people are facing as a wedge issue to convince low information voters to vote against their own best interests. CRT is the racial equivalent.
He’s obviously fooled the voters of Florida – not that hard one would imagine. No doubt he and Trump will engage in a race to the bottom in the 2024 Republican primary before losing to whoever the Democrats put up.

Red Reynard
Red Reynard
9 days ago
Reply to  Graeme McNeil

Graeme,
DeSantis, may be simply following the science, and attempting to protect those very youngsters that you quite rightly identify as having “very serious health issues”. The guidance issued is aimed at minors – meaning children – “guidance from the DeSantis administration on transition-related therapies for transgender minors, which would limit or eliminate various hormonal, surgical and other procedures.”*
The simple fact is that the science on medical intervention at a young age is far from settled –
“State Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo told the Florida Board of Medicine in a letter obtained by NBC News that his office found the science supporting these therapies “extraordinarily weak. Available medical literature provides insufficient evidence that sex reassignment through medical interventions is a safe and effective treatment for gender dysphoria,”*
So, whatever our political leanings, surely we can agree that erring on the side of caution before embarking on medical experiments on children (with God knows what long term impacts) is not a red/blue or left/right thing – just a caring human thing.
All the best
* ref: https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3510609-desantis-seeks-to-block-transgender-youths-from-transition-related-therapies/

Charlie Hoffstrom
Charlie Hoffstrom
11 days ago

In an article meant to help de-polarize this issue, it would have been more useful to leave your personal opinion on the matter out. Likely losing readers who may have been helped otherwise

Lindsay S
Lindsay S
11 days ago

Helped who?
It’s also classed as a “Debate Article” and Debbie has made her argument. Perhaps if you disagree with her then you should put forward your argument.

Nikki Hayes
Nikki Hayes
8 days ago

What? Its an opinion article – that usually means including the author’s opinion in addition to covering both sides of the issue. We used to call them argumentative essays back when I went to school.