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					<title>Britain doesn&#8217;t want to go to war</title>
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															<unherd:app_notification_title>Britain doesn&#8217;t want to go to war</unherd:app_notification_title>
					<unherd:app_notification>A new poll detects a realist mood, writes Freddie Sayers. Tap to read.</unherd:app_notification>
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								<![CDATA[Eighty years after D-Day, the nation's mood has changed]]>
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								<![CDATA[<p>The differences between the two main parties in the UK on most foreign policy questions are matters of almost imperceptible nuance. As we were reminded in the first election debate, both Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer are united in their support for Ukraine, are committed to Israel’s continued right to self-defence and share an increasingly hawkish attitude towards China.</p>
<p>Unfortunately for them, this is at odds with the electorate: a new poll of British voters by <em>UnHerd</em>, conducted by Focaldata, reveals a notable realism towards foreign policy that is not reflected in either of the main party platforms. This is just one of the big issues facing the nation that isn’t being properly interrogated in the general election campaign, and it is the focus of the first instalment in a polling series that will seek to understand the views of <em>UnHerd</em> <em>Britain</em>.</p>
<p>Eighty years on from D-Day, our headline finding is a clear scepticism towards foreign adventures and an unambiguous focus on British national interest, a view which markedly differs from the prevailing liberal interventionism of past decades. A majority of voters (52%) believe that “British foreign policy should be focused on what is in Britain’s interests, even if that is not in other countries’ interests”, compared with only 30% who believe that “British foreign policy should try to make the world a better place, even if it has costs for Britain”.</p>
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<p>This more “realist” option is preferred by overwhelming majorities of Reform and Conservative voters, but is also the preference of people planning to vote Labour, at 45% to 36%. Only Liberal Democrat and Green voters tend the other way, preferring a more idealist foreign policy.</p>
<div class="su-pullquote su-pullquote-align-left">"These findings highlight the conundrum that awaits a future Labour government."</div>
<p>When it comes to overseas conflicts in general, only 7% of voters think that Britain should be more engaged than it currently is, while 44% think it should be less engaged, and 36% think we should keep roughly the current levels of involvement. Again, in a powerful sign of how ideas of British imperialism are no longer in favour on the Right, 64% of Reform voters want less engagement and this is also the preferred position of Conservative voters (44% compared with 42% who say “about the same”). In fact, there is support across all parties, with the exception of Labour, for a reduction in Britain’s engagement in overseas conflicts; Labour voters narrowly opt for the current level of engagement (41% to 39%).</p>
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<p>These findings highlight the conundrum that awaits a future Labour government: while its voters are broadly the most supportive of idealistic British involvement in overseas conflicts, the party also contains a strain of passionately anti-war Leftists. The “<a href="https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-kingdom/case-progressive-realism-david-lammy">progressive realism</a>” coined by shadow foreign secretary David Lammy to describe Labour’s approach is best understood as an attempt to square this circle.</p>
<p>The thorniest issue for Keir Starmer will be Israel. Labour voters have a far more critical view of the current war in Gaza than their leader. Asked who they blame for the war, Labour voters choose “the Israeli Government” ahead of Hamas, while British voters in general blame Hamas ahead of Israel. Endorsement of the ICC’s prosecution proceedings against Benjamin Netanyahu is at 53% among Labour voters; only 14% oppose it. Starmer has voiced support for the arrest warrant, and one assumes he would comply with it if issued.</p>
<p>Right-leaning voters, when asked about the conflict, would prefer to disengage entirely rather than taking a tougher stance on either Israel or the Palestinians — this is the preferred option among both Conservative and Reform voters. But Labour voters fall narrowly alongside more progressive voter groups such as the Greens and Liberal Democrats in believing that “the UK should take a tougher stance on Israel”. Once again, disengaging from the war is the most popular option among British voters in general.</p>
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<p>This move towards "realism" extends also to the escalating standoff between the United States and China. Asked what British policy should be towards the standoff, 41% would align with the US; notably however, it is not a majority. Most voters think the country should either be aligned with neither (37%), or China (5%) or aren’t sure (15%).</p>
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<p>There is an exception, however, to British voters’ more isolationist mood: Ukraine. Most think that the UK’s level of involvement is about right, or could be further increased. Only a minority of voters would prefer a reduced role or none at all. Voters would <em>reject, </em>if offered<em>,</em> a peace treaty in which Russia would gain possession of eastern provinces of Ukraine and Crimea, and there is even substantial support for the UK allowing Ukraine to shoot missiles into Russian territory (40% compared with 22% against) and allowing British troops into Ukraine to help train Ukrainian forces (39% support compared with 34% against). However, any suggestion of British troops engaging in active combat against Russia is dismissed entirely, by absolute majorities of all political party voters.</p>
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<p>Questions of distant wars, however, only become the defining political issue when citizens are asked to fight in them — and on this question, the results of the <em>UnHerd Britain</em> poll make concerning reading for any government. We asked parents whether they would be prepared to send their children into battle for a range of causes, and the numbers of those who would are vanishingly small. Only 15% would consent to their children taking up arms to defend Poland from a Russian invasion, 14% to defend France from invasion, 9% to defend Ukraine from further Russian attacks, and 7% to defend either Taiwan or Israel. Overwhelming majorities, between 71% and 82%, would object to their children being called up to defend any of these causes.</p>
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<p>Even in the event of a direct invasion on British soil, only 21% of parents say they would want their children to fight to defend the country, 67% of parents say they would not want them involved and a further 10% are not sure.</p>
<p>These results confirm a sobering reality that has not been reflected in the election campaigns yet: there is a strong antipathy to military engagements of any kind, and if a new war should arrive, it is not at all clear that Britain could muster an army even to defend itself.</p>
<p><em>As the election campaign progresses, UnHerd Britain will be investigating other questions of public opinion missing from the campaign. See full results of today's poll <a href="https://dashboard.focaldata.com/public/6e0fc90d-a0a5-4e7a-b12d-ee659f840753">HERE</a>.</em></p>
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								<![CDATA[<p>In <em>The Kindly Ones</em>, Anthony Powell’s fictionalised portrayal of the Britain of the late Thirties, the approaching war appears like a spectre “now materialising in slow motion,” a “looming, menacing shape of ever greater height, ever thickening density”. The mood of the time, overbearing in its intensity, was one in which “crisis was unremitting, cataclysm not long to be delayed”. It is hard not to empathise with Powell’s detached hero, soon to be swept up in the world’s convulsion.</p>
<p>After all, Powell’s recollection of the newsreel footage of the time — of “close-ups of stocky demagogues, fuming, gesticulating, stamping; oceans of raised forearms; steel-helmeted men tramping in column; armoured vehicles rumbling over the pavé of broad boulevards” — could be a description of the Conservative Party’s <a href="https://x.com/Conservatives/status/1797676601640927437" target="_blank" rel="noopener">first election broadcast</a>. CCHQ’s offering looks like government propaganda from <em>Children of Men</em>: over images of missiles firing and a Chinese tank parading down a boulevard, we are assured our nation’s survival lies only with Sunak’s Conservative Party. The voters, it appears, do not share this conclusion.</p>
<p>As this week’s exclusive <em>UnHerd</em> poll revealed, 54% of voters believe that Britain will be at war within five years. If the majority opinion of the poll respondents is correct, Britain is about to elect a wartime Prime Minister, and have reluctantly chosen Starmer. Given a choice between Starmer and whichever Tory plotter next takes their turn on the throne, this is not an unreasonable decision. Yet in a general election driven by voter apathy, disenchantment and a widespread dissatisfaction, one of the strange lacunae so far has been the absence of any serious discussion of British foreign policy. The election is taking place in the shadow of a volatile international order, and yet the wars in which Britain has found itself embroiled have been sublimated, in the campaign discourse, into parochial domestic concerns.</p>
<p>The Gaza war, whose regional escalation has already seen British jets ineffectually bomb Houthi militants in Yemen and shoot down Iranian drones heading for Israel, has been transmuted into a culture-war debate about the policing of demonstrations in London. In Ukraine, Western allies have just crossed another long-standing red line over permitting Kyiv to use donated weapons to attack inside Russia, provoking a furious debate among security and international relations analysts — and yet the war itself has, for most people, long faded into the background. In the Far East, where Johnson’s ill-fated government committed the Royal Navy to a “Pacific tilt”, Chinese sabre-rattling against Taiwan is <a href="https://asia.nikkei.com/Editor-s-Picks/Interview/China-s-drills-appear-to-be-rehearsal-for-Taiwan-invasion-U.S.-admiral" target="_blank" rel="noopener">ramping up alarmingly</a>. The rising costs of energy, food and consumer goods driven by geopolitical disorder — <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-01-09/if-china-invades-taiwan-it-would-cost-world-economy-10-trillion" target="_blank" rel="noopener">a mere foretaste</a> of what is yet to come — have taken euphemistic form as “the cost-of-living crisis”, like a permanent shift in weather patterns to be grimly adapted to, rather than a consequence of political choices.</p>
<p>The drumbeat of war is growing ever louder, yet even as Sunak disastrously moots conscription for the young and Starmer pledges a triple lock on the nuclear deterrent, campaigning on the threatening international situation is either an afterthought or an opportunity to posture. Even in the first televised election debate, vital questions of national security were only discussed towards the end, as short soundbites tacked on to a question from a Muslim voter about Gaza. We are told, again and again, that we are living in a 1938 world, and then the dire warnings are overtaken by the usual Westminster gossip and dysfunction. Lobby journalists badger Starmer on whether, and even when, he will use Britain’s nuclear deterrent. Britain’s genuinely alarming security situation, a topic that requires urgent national debate over both the country’s preparedness and willingness to go to war, is just more fodder for the soundbite class.</p>
<p>It is alarming to observe on social media a growing conspiracy theory, notably stoked by the former Conservative MP <a href="https://x.com/wideawake_media/status/1789618433157448133" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Andrew Bridgen</a>, that Britain will “reveal” at some point this summer that it is at war with Russia (why Putin would respect the needs of Sunak’s election campaign in obscuring this information has not been convincingly explained). Yet no doubt such anxieties spring from the simultaneous reality of the threats Britain now faces and the strange, cynical unreality of the political discourse surrounding them. It is genuinely irresponsible of Sunak to throw out half-baked plans for national service, which would do nothing to address the modernisation needs of Britain’s <a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c877yyy7n0xo" target="_blank" rel="noopener">still-shrinking</a> and <a href="https://unherd.com/2024/02/will-britain-lose-world-war-three/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">under-equipped Army</a>, purely as desperate bait for wavering conservative voters. In doing so, the entire discourse around national security is cheapened, and warnings about the genuine threats we face are rendered less credible.</p>
<p>Equally, it is irresponsible of Starmer to suborn Britain’s approach to the Middle East conflict to Labour’s internal psychodrama over Corbyn. By initially pledging his unflinching support for Israel’s poorly-planned punitive campaign in Gaza — which now looks set to end with Hamas still in power, tens of thousands of civilians dead, and Israel’s leadership facing war crimes charges — Starmer chose to exorcise Corbyn’s ghost and avoid any serious analysis of the war’s aims and likely outcome. Despite pledging to place country over party, when it came to the first serious test of his future foreign policy, Starmer placed his own intra-party feuds over Britain’s national interest. Had Starmer chosen the path <a href="https://unherd.com/2023/10/israel-is-no-longer-britains-war/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">set out here</a> at the beginning of war, of entirely disengaging from the conflict — a policy, the new <em>UnHerd</em> poll reveals, that a majority of the country supports — he would be in a stronger position now.</p>
<div class="su-pullquote su-pullquote-align-left">&#8220;It is irresponsible of Starmer to suborn Britain’s approach to the Middle East conflict to Labour’s internal psychodrama over Corbyn.&#8221;</div>
<p>Instead, just as the Conservative Party finds itself outflanked on the Right among its core voter base over immigration, Starmer finds the Labour Party, in essence a fragile coalition of southern liberals and northern Muslims, <a href="https://labourlist.org/2024/05/labour-muslim-constituencies-general-election-2024/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">struggling to maintain the support</a> of a demographic whose votes could previously be weighed rather than counted. Indeed, the growing antipathy to Israel’s very existence revealed by the poll, now the dominant opinion among the young, can perhaps be partly attributed to <a href="https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/492/impact-of-immigration-in-changing-the-uk-population" target="_blank" rel="noopener">the country’s rapidly changing demographics</a>, until now welcomed by Labour Party functionaries as both a desirable outcome in itself and a sure source of votes. Despite the <a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-68970097" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Greens’ attempt</a> to capture Labour’s <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/may/03/labour-celebrates-victories-but-loses-ground-in-urban-and-heavily-muslim-areas" target="_blank" rel="noopener">wavering Muslim</a> vote, the future of politics in Northern towns may soon enough look more like George Galloway’s vision of social conservatism and anti-Western foreign policy than <a href="https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/uk-elections-starmer-picked-pro-israel-controversial-lobbyist-safe-seat-why" target="_blank" rel="noopener">the top-down Zionism</a> of Starmer’s rightward revolution. Blair may have failed at exporting liberal democracy to the Middle East, but by radically transforming the country’s immigration policies, he was unintentionally successful in importing the Middle East’s deepest passions to Westminster. No doubt future analysts, observing <a href="https://thecritic.co.uk/the-modi-fication-of-british-politics/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">the increased salience</a> of Indian and Nigerian political passions in Britain, will make the same observation of <a href="https://x.com/EdConwaySky/status/1798005491672678768" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Johnson’s most transformative contribution</a> to British history.</p>
<p>Yet until the twin effects of both a rapidly changing world order and Britain’s changing demographics hit the Westminster system, British foreign policy careens down the road of path dependency. As <a href="https://unherd.com/2024/04/the-fatal-flaw-in-david-lammys-progressive-realism/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">David Lammy’s recent distillation</a> of the Labour Party’s strategic worldview proves, there is no meaningful choice on offer in this election of what foreign policy to pursue, or serious discussion of what British national interests require: such matters are intentionally depoliticised, kept carefully away from debate in front of mere voters. The Tory rebel Robert Jenrick’s call for an <a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/19/britain-must-unashamedly-put-british-interests-first/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">“Anglo-Gaullist” foreign policy</a>, ruthlessly focussed on British self-interest, is the majority opinion in the country, according to the <em>UnHerd</em> poll, but it is nowhere to be found in Whitehall: to even suggest such a thing would be an unforgivable offence against mandarin dignity.</p>
<p>Part of the problem, no doubt, is that British security and foreign policy is <a href="https://unherd.com/2023/12/how-to-decolonise-britain/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">made in Washington</a>: with our closed and inward-looking national caste of securocrats dedicated to the Atlantic alliance as a good in itself, the only decisions available to the two parties is how far to acquiesce to America’s strategic whims of the moment. Whether or not these whims, bitterly debated in the imperial capital itself, are in Britain’s interests are irrelevant: the choice we are given is only how best to interpret Washington’s confused and ambiguous desires.</p>
<div class="ref-ar"><a href="https://unherd.com/2024/05/the-rights-new-parties-wont-save-britain/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><a href="https://unherd.com/2024/05/the-rights-new-parties-wont-save-britain/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><img decoding="async" src="https://unherd.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/Cummings-1.jpg?w=300" /></a><div class="content"><a href="https://unherd.com/2024/05/the-rights-new-parties-wont-save-britain/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><span class="meta">More from this author</span></a><a href="https://unherd.com/2024/05/the-rights-new-parties-wont-save-britain/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><h5>The Right&#039;s new parties won&#039;t save Britain</h5></a><p class="author"><a href="https://unherd.com/2024/05/the-rights-new-parties-wont-save-britain/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><span>By</span> Aris Roussinos</a></p></div></a></div>
<p>While the international situation looms like a threatening cloud over this election, the absence of any meaningful discussion of Britain’s strategic vision merely reflects the fact that, until we know who wins the American election, we cannot say with certainty what our foreign policy will actually be. Now Biden reigns, both parties’ Ukraine policy is to support Kyiv until Russia’s total defeat, no matter how unrealistic that now sounds. Should Trump win and seek peace negotiations with Putin, even at Ukraine’s expense, then that will automatically become Britain’s policy too — though there has been no domestic discussion of what that outcome would look like, and how Britain’s future relationship with an aggressive, aggrieved Russia can be securely managed. Whichever of America’s two gerontocratic rivals wins the election, Starmer will bend the knee and pledge Britain’s security and prosperity at his service. The great questions of strategy, even when they determine national survival, are after all a matter for great powers, not mere client states: as ever, the weak do what they must.</p>
<p>In his 1940 memoir <a href="https://wwnorton.com/books/Strange-Defeat/" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><em>Strange Defeat</em></a>, the pioneering historian Marc Bloch, who had latterly served as a staff officer, and would later be executed by the Gestapo for his Resistance activities, ruminated on the causes of France’s sudden military collapse. The army was poorly led and unprepared; the country was bitterly divided. Yet Bloch reserved his deepest antipathy for “the parliamentary system [which] has too often favoured intrigue at the cost of intelligence and true loyalty”. In the France of 1940, Bloch wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>“Our party machinery had already begun to give off the smell of a dry-rot which it had acquired in small cafés and obscure back rooms. It could not even offer the excuse that it was strong, because at the first breath of despotism it collapsed like a house of cards… More often than not they failed even to determine who was to wield the power. They served merely as spring-boards for clever careerists who spent their time knocking one another off the top of the political structure.”</p></blockquote>
<p>In the situation we now face, such immediately recognisable political dysfunction is a luxury Britain cannot afford: our nation’s security is a matter of far greater import than the Westminster rigmarole we sank into in safer times.</p>
<p>Yet the overriding theme of the election — from the Left-wing and <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/may/31/labour-will-struggle-birmingham-ladywood-voters-gaza-poverty" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Muslim discontent with Starmer</a>, of which Galloway is now the sole Westminster incarnation, to Farage’s reinvigorated revolt against the Conservatives from the Right — has been a message from the electorate that Britain’s political system works against the British people’s interests, and requires total root-and-branch reform. This is doubly true of our foreign policy, the shadowy presence looming behind every rote stump speech on this campaign. Domestically, and internationally, history has fated us to live at the end of one political order and the troubled birth of another. We cannot go on as we are: and for good or ill, soon enough we will not.</p>
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