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Following the horrific killing of three young girls who were knifed to death at a dance class in Southport on Monday, mass public disorder broke out last night in the Northern seaside town. A total of 39 police officers were injured, along with three police dogs, after protesters threw bricks at them. A police van was also set on fire.
In the aftermath of the Southport mass stabbing, the relevant authorities revealed little about the suspect — other than that he is 17 years old and was born in Cardiff. It later emerged that he is of Rwandan origin.
In an era of public institutions “managing” such events through the lens of “community relations control”, a lack of trust in the police, and the sorry decline in effective independent local reporters, a dangerous vacuum has been left for online conspiracists and outrage-generating agitators to exploit. Baseless theories and extremist disinformation surfaced on social media platforms such as X and spread rapidly — one being that the suspect was a Muslim illegal migrant who had arrived in the UK on a small boat from France last year. The name “Ali al-Shakati” (Shakati sounds like the Arabic term for “apartment”) proliferated in the online space.
It is no surprise that a local mosque was one of the main targets during last night’s disorder in Southport. For hours, unfounded anti-Muslim theories over the suspect’s background and identity were allowed to spread unchallenged and uncorrected. Merseyside Police’s social media activities were left wanting on this front, failing spectacularly to combat such rumours which clearly had the potential to inflame social tensions and fuel large-scale disorder.
While progressive activism is a common feature of social media activity of police forces, there needs to be a much stronger focus on coordinating anti-disinformation activities. What’s more, police should be as transparent as possible over the background of the suspect after they are arrested and placed under police custody, while observing legal restrictions about naming accused individuals under the age of 18.
It has been confirmed by the authorities that the suspect — who was born in Britain and originates from a country where only 2% of the population is Muslim — has no known links to Islam. But the genie has been let out of the bottle, and the threat that extremist online disinformation can have on real-life communities has been laid bare.
Based on what is known of the suspect, there are several avenues to be explored by the authorities. The fact that he is a second-generation migrant with Rwandan heritage means that there is a possibility that his parents were granted asylum. In any case, they hail from an African country which suffers from mass intergenerational trauma due to its recent history of extreme violence, including Rwanda’s four-year civil war in the Nineties. The offspring of those with such troubling life experiences are themselves at higher risk of psychiatric disorders, which is often mixed with drug abuse.
While we should wait for more facts to emerge, reports that police are focusing on the suspect’s mental health record are a reminder of the potentially destructive nature of being complacent over treating and diagnosing psychiatric disorders. But for the violent protestors who turned out in Southport, and the online troublemakers whose unsubstantiated theories exacerbated the disorder, such an explanation would be less convenient.
Dr Rakib Ehsan is a researcher specialising in British ethnic minority socio-political attitudes, with a particular focus on the effects of social integration and intergroup relations.
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SubscribeI wanted to make one point about this. And it’s in response to an angry working-class woman (red-faced, lots of tattoos) who was (accidentally?) filmed by the BBC on the streets of Southport yesterday, nothing to do with the so-called EDL protests later in the evening.
When she shouted to the TV camera, words to the effect of, “How can they let them get away with this?” the protestation stood in stark contrast to yesterday’s media narrative that the community was ‘in mourning and trying to heal from the tragic episode.’ (idem for the bombing of the Manchester Arena pop concert by a young terrorist).
Of course, the EDL blamed or scapegoated the local Muslim community and the BBC did the same to their Far Right.
But the big issue is this: For our Labour or Tory leaders there should be no questioning of the quiet pro-immigration consensus, and we should never, ever look at the sheer numbers (400,000 net arrivals a year in the UK) when considering how such individuals get out of control and commit such atrocities.
What ‘quiet pro immigration consensus’?
There may be some places where this exists but there is definately no general support for mass immigration.
Survey after survey along with multiple research projects show at least 70% of the population believe immigration levels are too high and want to see it reduced to much lower levels. These figures have been consistent for at least a decade and recent events are likely to harden those views.
Or did you mean people support the idea of quiet immigrants – if so, you may be correct.
I believe Tyler is referring to the quiet consensus between Tory and Labour leaders in Britain. The same consensus exists between the three largest parties in Canada, and between Republicans and Democrats, south of us. And then came Trump.
I did wonder if I was missing some irony or sarcasm – I tend to miss subtlety unless it’s spoken to my face.
Still think it was worth posting my query though
Totally agree. The sad thing here is that the political parties have agreed amongst themselves that net immigration is a good thing for the country. They see an aging population needing more health and social care, A lowering ration of workers to pensioners needing to be addressed. But they will never tell you that this is the plan. As they know the country as a whole is adverse to having its culture changed from a liberal thinking, individualist country to one where women are treated like chattels. Perhaps this is why the trans attack on women’s spaces has been allowed as it helps nudge people in to the direction of not complaining. The other element of this is the two tiered policing. Police should be seen to be fair in how they police areas. This has gone out the window in London and it would appear to many that Leeds and Southport were looked at differently
Yes the BBC (and police) seem to care far more about somebody pointing out that a bloke in a dress is not actually a woman than about 3 little girls being knifed to death by the offspring of immigrants from a genocidal society. Zero questions about how and why they were let in.
Hence, the BBC sees the EDL as the problem, rather than the murderer. Killing 2 Hamas leaders is the problem, not killing 1200 Israelis. The BBC has become a very sick organisation funded by a compulsory tax – epitomised by its main news anchor being a paedophile.
I think they mean in government. There is a quiet consensus among the political class, and the elites in general (media & managerial class).
Mass immigration is the most devastating form of class war that exists. In the UK it has enriched the metropolitan class whilst pauperising the working poor, driving them out of the housing market and destroying the public services on which they depend.
What’s most egregious is that it permits those waging this brutal war to convince themselves that their motives are altruistic.
Well said. It took 15 years for any meaningful discussion about the link between house price inflation and the demand factor provided by a near 10 million mass migrants to break the illberal MSM & Establishment Wall of silence and enter public debate. Ditto the impact on wages with the single market and the impact on the groaning NHS too (remarkably, migrants do get ill – not just the greedy creaking non working people old pensioners). Farage achieved that in 4 weeks using the rare freedom of election debate. But now that the connection between unchecked unplanned migration and the impossible unchecked house bubble has been made, I think this Open Border No Bibby Labour Government will encounter even fiercer resistance to their already impossible ambition to pump prime economic growwf with 370,000 ugly unaffordable Diktat Homes.
Thank you for saying this out loud. Meanwhile the Marxists, Social Workers Party & Socialists of Europe are pushing this catastrophe the hardest & brandishing the working classes racist bigots at every turn.
Either way, it was a racist terrorist attack. It’s always the same pattern, over and over and over again, in every country all over Europe.
The whole thing is a powder keg because the anti-white racist hate, which is ingrained in these ‘communities’, in the system itself, is only going to get worse.
Are the anti-white racist terrorist attacks ever going to stop? Where are the campaigns to root it out? Where are the self reflections from those responsible?
Hypocrites. Racists.
Jumping to conclusions without all the facts is entirely the wrong thing to do and what inflames riots.
It would help a lot of course if we could have faith in our institutions that they will unbiasedly present all the facts when they have them and can release them.
How on earth do you know what his motivations are? Just because a black man kills some white girls (or a white policeman kills a black criminal) it does not mean that this is a racist attack.
Just because a black man kills some white girls (or a white policeman kills a black criminal)
Yes. The equivalence is perfectly apt. Obviously these ‘white girls’ were posing some sort of existential threat and our mentally disturbed Norwegian was forced to kill them in self-defence.
So you’ll be popping off to Southport to join in the riots?
If not, why not?
I wish this backlash violence wouldn’t have happened but its not surprising. There’s often a long vacuum of nil-information when these type of events happen; the vacuum is filled by rumour/speculation.
The big influential media outlets are predominantly left wing/woke and never confront some real hot issues (2-tier policing, minorities not adhering to traditional laws/behaviour norms, British history being denigrated etc).
Working class people (especially men) outside of London/ Oxford/Cambridge/ Bristol seem to have no voice (note how there are hardly any comments available this morning on media websites so that any points of view opposing the mainstream media narrative can be raised).
The official reaction this am is all about EDL thugs etc- little mainstream discussion about whether the reaction stems from genuine grievances that have not been addressed by government/ institutions for years because those aggrieved are not protected minorities.
So you’re saying they’re not EDL thugs, but working class thugs? And that the way to voice “genuine grievances” is to throw bricks at the police, and set fire to police vans?
Did you ask the same question of the” largely peaceful” BLM rioters ?
From the looks of it, there seems to be a secondary issue of an arab man arrested dressed in a balaclava with a machete. Near where the vigil for the three girls was been held. You can understand how anger with loss can explode where information is not to hand
Peter Barker has made a sincere and valid point. All you’ve done in your reply is to make an aggressive response that contributes nothing of value to the dialogue here.
Indeed-as with the current unrest in Ireland which the MSM continually ascribe to “Far Right” groups agitating and completely ignoring the concerns of the white,working class locals who are never consulted and treated as 2nd class citizens.I suspect we are just beginning to see the first sparks of a potential forest fire of civil unrest largely driven by the immigration issue.-so far Coolock/Harehills & Southport and of course the Manchester Airport debacle.Once the disenfranchised realise that they are a large minority and outnumber a largely neutered policeforce who are more comcerned with checking internet misgendering then all bets are off.
“then all bets are off”
The perpetually oppressed white working class are going to need help, though. Intelligent people from the middle and those with money will have to come in at some point and organise the righteous anger into a mass movement.
Exactly, these white working class communities are completely voiceless. Completely alone.
The fascist left are no doubt happy this mini outburst of anger happened. Because now they can victim blame, and try and draw focus away from the racist terrorist attack itself.
The only way out of this dystopian nightmare is to organise and build up our own organs of power.
God, how many times do we have to explain to these numpties that these events are the work of mentally disturbed Norwegians and in no way the downstream consequences of Alastair Campbell’s warmongering.
I see the Norwegians were out in force in Southend last night.
They could have been Welsh though.
Unless they are born in Wales when they must be a disturbed druid.
Lots of obviously well educated people with lots to say but ignoring the obvious. This country of ours is a cesspit!
This right wing belief our nation is being taken over by immigration. Its laughable especially coming from the English. Every army that crossed the North Sea and English Channel conquered and integrated into the nation named after a Germanic tribe.
The Scots didn’t wipe out the Picts as one reader claims. They integrated. They stood together and held back the Romans, Vikings, Norman’s and English. The Scots and Irish can truly be proud of our heritage. But the English? Really? Come on! What are you fighting to keep hold of.
If any of you can explain how any young man can cross two stretches of open⁷ water in small boats, the Eastern med in case you’re wondering, then turn up at your door with an Amazon box? That by any stretch of the imagination is applaudable.
How many young British people of similar age sit blaming immigrants for taking their jobs. The vast majority who don’t want to work!
The guys who disrespect our police and pour out of their homes on a weekday when cops try to arrest a friend of theirs. A yob who’s been driving a stolen car at high speed through streets their families walk along. The same yobs that smash up bus shelters their nan uses to keep dry in.
Nah let’s grow a pair and admit each and each and every “Brit” is to blame for the state this country is in. No empathy. No looking out for others. No respect. No morals……….the list is huge.
I don’t recall the left spreading fake news about and politicising and exploiting the death of George Floyd LOL LOL LOL
Not sure if ‘social media’ has so much influence? A complex local reaction seems more likely than any media (including mainstream, official, institutional).
I can’t be certain, but i strongly suspect the majority of those rioting in Southport last night have no connections with that area.
Connected and motivated enough to get there perhaps, not sure if social media is required to connect like that. I saw much of the events on X, though an hour or so later, after the event. It made me think, and try to sort what was/is happening. Most people feel the same I’m sure and are not motivated to those sorts of actions. I’m not local to there, just concerned in particular and in general. Politicians need to be held to account for their policies and general governance.
This reaction shows the pressure that is brewing below the surface. When the surface is scratched it explodes through. The “disinformation” caused the scratch, not the pressure. The MSM only ever want us to focus on the scratch when it’s the pressure that needs addressing. It is the pressure that people want to discuss but aren’t allowed to.
Good comment. I looked at Sir Keep Swivelling ignoring the hecklers yesterday. You could virtually feel his nose wrinkling in disgust and it occurred to me that he really does not like or understand unruly, grubby, working class Brits. He was the same over COVID, he really did not care or understand the impact of lockdowns on ordinary Brits.
The pompous ‘far right’ rhetoric accusations depressed me today. Insight and reflection is needed not two tier reactions and policing, name calling and riding rough shod over very real fears within the community.
My initial reaction to this outrage, after the horror, was that it bore non of the hall marks of terror, it wasn’t a gang fight, jealousy, robbery, or any of the usual suspects. Therefore I’m waiting to see if it will be revealed that the boy is a heavy user of cannabis, which is known to induce psychosis. We will find out if the mental health services were aware of him. Before comments were blocked, I posted these thoughts to the Telegraph and Spectator because this issue with cannabis is routinely ignored by the media* and many people seem to scratch their heads and fruitlessy ask – why? (*Except for Peter Hitchens)
People on X are doing actual journalism and have already found his picture. He told a classmate that Britain need a genocide like in Rwanda to solve problems.
There are some dullards even on here trying to pretend it wasn’t a racist terrorist attack.
What a sad commentary when random individuals on X are more reliable and informative than the paid, ‘professional’ press.
Sadly the UK press has been gutted of real journalists over the last 10 years. It was there response to dealing with the internet. When you have national broadcaster censoring so many stories or indeed pushing a particular line then you can i=understand that citizen journalism is coming to teh fore.
His defence will probably declare him to be on the autism spectrum. As if that was an explanation for anti-social violence, which it certainly is not.
An ASD diagnosis doesn’t result in less culpability. The boy charged with Brianna Ghey’s murder was noted to be ASD. It was a factor in why he went along with the murder plot, which was masterminded by his co-defendant, but it didn’t result in non-conviction, nor did it result in a lenient sentence.
It is fair to explore these contextual factors but they are not mitigating factors unless a lack of liability can be proven.
He would need to have a history of psychosis for there to be a mental health explanation that would influence the convictions.
Liverpool Crown Court heard how the teen had been “diagnosed with autism”
I knew it.
A host will eventually expel a parasite when the itching becomes intolerable and it will not be pretty.
Not always. The Scots replaced the Picts.
The Europeans replaced the native Americans and the Aborigines.
Sometimes the hosts just lose.
Indeed and the tipping point may come sooner than expected.
Usually that happens by armed invasion and cultural suppression, rather than the government just inviting the ‘new people’ in.
I agree. I was just pointing out to Anthony Roe that the expulsion he predicted is not inevitable. The Turks replaced the people of Asia Minor, and that is why Constantinople became Istanbul. It will not revert now.
Maybe we should learn from this and start taking smarter steps. I can say that there is a strong anti-white/pro non-white (push/pull effect) thing happening in Australia. None of us can put our finger on it but we notice it. A lot of people are getting unsettled. There is this constant dance with strangers to see if they are trustworthy enough (generally non-woke) to allow a bit of honest feelings into the conversation.
If the UK and Europe falls, the rest of the world will get more hostile.
West have nukes.
It can be reversed, if the was a will.
Many would say they do seem to have come armed with the amount of machetes on teh streets now
Arguably our culture is being suppressed. Unless we’re talking about the British values being taught in our schools which is basically being tolerant of other cultures :/
Much of our culture is deemed bigoted and therefore unacceptable.
Yes,
However, the threat is well defined.
The solution is obvious.
Question is why our, so called, leaders, insist on importing Muslim and African low IQ savages into this country and West in general?
I was always against conspiracy theories but it becomes obvious, even to idiot like me, that they want to destroy Western Civilisation, so newly decided, multiculti society is easier to control?
Maybe so, yet who is going to do the ‘challenging and correcting’, with what authority and by what means?
The police may not be allowed to reveal the killer’s identity because of his age, yet they really ought to provide some information to stop the speculation.
How many times have these “unfounded anti-Muslim theories” became founded?
At this point I believe Brits have enough founded information to want seventh century barbarism out of their country, no matter who lights the match or where.
But we are soon going to allow 16 years old to have votes?
So typical lefty woke thinking.
16 years old should have a vote.
But they are too young to be held responsible for their crimes.
Muslim or not attack on the girls is another example of why mass immigration is terrible.
Especially Muslims should be stopped from coming.
They should go to Muslim shithole of their choice.
It was the arrest of a knife carrying muslim that triggered the riot.
Why is “community relations control” (a rather Orwellian term”) only used with certain communities? Was the local Southport community provided reassurance and consultation with the police?
“community relations control” means leftist NGO’s organising ‘Oasis karaoke sessions’ immediately after anti-white atrocities. They did the same after Manchester bombings and Nottingham, for example.
Do I take it that the author would have been fine with a mass attack against all Rwandans following a truthful disclosure by the police? It appears to me that the public at large is fed up with any and all immigration and that anyone from an immigrant background who goes on a violent and murderous rampage against indigenous innocents will trigger an anti-immigrant revolt regardless of the niceties of actual origin, mental health, etc. This is the reality that we are faced with and that makes anti-immigrant parties so popular.
Combined with people revolting when immigrants, with or without mental health issues, do a little bit of rape or murder, I think we have a massive issue with our so-called elites spouting the ‘white man bad, black/brown man good’ line at every possible opportunity, in every possible way. I cannot imagine for a moment how this British born Rwandan lad decided to target a dance school of little girls, and I find myself wondering, did the relentless hate against whites get to him? Did his parents absorb it and share it with him? I believe our elites with their racist take on Britain, her people and her history are as culpable as the lad wielding the knife. And if not culpable here, they will be/have been culpable in some other murderous attack.
Why would his parents move to such a white area if they harboured resentment?
I think it’s the kid who’s a wrong’un and has absorbed the hideous messages of mainstream discourse too literally. This is gonna happen more and more, especially in the post-lockdown era where so many have been pushed to the brink.
This is all of our own making
they hail from an African country which suffers from mass intergenerational trauma due to its recent history of extreme violence, including Rwanda’s four-year civil war in the Nineties.
one of members of Congress hails from a similar country, yet she seems to consistently forget that in attacking the place that has given her a home, a title, and wealth.
People’s reaction is not surprising. They’ve seen far too many incident that were unequivocally Islam-inspired with authorities more focused on the possible “phobia” that follows that with the incidents themselves.
The blame for last night’s violence must of course, be laid primarily at the door of those who were directly involved in it. However, it was at least partly instigated by those in the MSM and in the police and other organs of government, who for years have done their utmost to hide the origins of any terrorist attack carried out by Muslims, so-called ‘asylum seekers’ and other immmigrants until impossible to do so. Yet on the (rare) occasions the culprit is ‘far right’ (sic), they are very quick to tell us and call for retribution. No kumbayah chants or pleas not to turn back in anger then. The fact is that hardly anyone trusts what they see and hear in the media or from the authorities anymore because we have been lied to so often. The consequences of such dishonesty were visible yesterday and will no doubt be seen again.
The police are all signed up with diversity and inclusion rules and are locked in. They can’t speak without offending one group over another, they are in a very difficult position and much of the public are furious with them, don’t trust them, don’t feel they are onside.
Was the sex of the children not mentioned for fear of misgendering? Is the race or ethnicity of the perpetrator forbidden to be mentioned for fear of racist accusations? They are felt, rightly or wrongly, to be out of touch with the white working class.
Someone mentioned Harehills where a similar riot recently took place. In that case it was the mishandling by the police of a Roma family when they forcibly removed protesting children from a house on the instructions of social workers. That was the spark that exploded into a riot.
It seems the police are being played, constantly parading with drag queens and other progressive groups with multicoloured cars etc etc. they are gagged and being very badly led. And the man in the street not only doesn’t trust them, he is angry with them for being so led.
Never see a police commander who isn’t a woman
Conspiracy theories abound when people believe they cannot trust those in authority. Give us honesty in politics, policing, health and care services, the law monopoly and social welfare system and, yes, journalism – then, perhaps, such conspiracy theories will reduce.
Precisely. This riot comes very close to ‘Nazi’ Tommy Robinson’s screening of ‘Silenced’ which is a glimpse into just how far the corruption goes:
https://youtu.be/zglblx0QKoI?si=g9A62jeHIC_SPPFd
I used to believe this man was a far-right racist…
I’ve got a lot to say about this piece of alleged journalism, but will limit myself only to a couple of points:
when there’s no or only very little official information, this vacuum will immediately be filled by unofficial information. This unofficial information might be true or might be based on some speculation. In any case, when the official sources of information have lost trust of general public, calling for fighting ‘disinformation’ is tantamount to calling for censorship. First, make sure that people receive truthful and complete official information in a timely manner and then you will see how ‘disinformation’ will become virtually non-existent.
there’s no such thing as “intergenerational trauma”, let alone “mass intergenerational trauma”. At the very best, this concept is not proven and its roots are in the critical race theory. The authour is trying to justify the unjustifiable by referring to a non-existent phenomenon, which makes this article even more abhorrent. Btw, checking a perpetrator’s mental health is a routine part of any criminal investigation, so no need to present this as something that should tip the balance of public opinion in favour of the perpetrator.Btw, the entire article is based on assumptions, “what ifs”, and “we don’t know for sure, but maybe”, which makes it exhibit 1 for ‘disinformation’, if we are to use the author’s yardstick. In this specific case, I feel inclined to agree with him that we do need to fight disinformation.
It’s a cynical standing joke that if an attack like this happens that if the authorities refuse to disclose any details of the perpetrator then they’re probably not indigenous Brits.
And that if it is a native then they will be namechecked continuously by the MSM, e.g. see how many times MP Jo Cox’s killer is cited vs the killer of MP David Amess.
People are starting to notice.
The issue is not whether this 17 year old is or is not a native Brit but rather that almost everyone, reasonably, expects him, or other such murderers or criminals, to be an immigrant and probably an Islamist.
Reading the news is a bit like a game of guess who, these days. Unfortunately, it’s rarely a surprise.
Ireland will wear green for their next game. They may not, but its the most reasonable, sensible assumption based on the evidence of history.
I suspect the BBC and the police, both now leftist political organisations with an agenda, were anxious to hide the truth about the impact of imported devastation on the UK.
But by immediately saying “its not terrorism”, they had no coherent answer regarding what else it could be. They found the taxi driver, but no sign of the GP and hospital doctors who were treating his claimed “mental health issues”? You can have only so many lone wolves before it becomes obvious its a pack.
We have been importing criminals and terrorists for decades, whether first or second generation is not really the point. 3 little girls deaths could have been avoided, as could 22 in Manchester, and hundreds or thousands of rapes avoided.
We have a 5th column: traitors. Perhaps 600 of them are in the House of Commons. The so-called Home Secretary cares far more about foreigners than Brits. Hence they get to live for “free” in hotels. Paid for by British pensioners who just lost their winter fuel allowance.
Great post.
Muslim and African savages cost this country over 100 billions a year.
Sum which could help to fix NHS and the British army (although problems in both organisations are not just financial).
He’s not a native Brit. He wasn’t born here & both his parents are Rwandan.
Remarkable series of racist comments here in response to article, but then again perhaps no surprise. Same dog whistle working that got the EDL out last night.
The perpetrator born here. 17 and so can’t yet be named, but eventually will be when 18.
Strange isn’t it – when Thomas Hamilton and Michael Ryan committed mass murder, the former of children and teachers, the EDL or their predecessors, nowhere to be seen.
I’m far more disturbed by the blatant and ignorant mass racism displayed in the comments here than by any alleged incident in Stockport.
“I’m far more disturbed by the blatant and ignorant mass racism displayed in the comments here than by any alleged incident in Stockport.”
You leftists really are the scum of the earth. Shame on you for this comment! Shame! Shame! Shame!
“Alleged incident in Stockport” and here’s me thinking it was a mass stabbing in Southport. Is your concern that these victims fell on the knife or threw themselves on the knife or whether there was a knife at all and they just mass spontaneously experienced stigmata?
A typo – my bad. But if this is all you can articulately criticise in my post, you’ve proved my theory that the propagandised will leap on the most minor point to discount everything else said. This behaviour is chilling
It was not at all a typo.
You wrote “Stockport” in two of your comments.
A typo is a missing letter or one letter instead of another, not mistakenly spelling the name of a place that (once again, repeated specifically for you!) has been in headlines since Monday.
You are not capable even of honestly assuming your mistakes (mistakes, not typos!).
My criticism wasn’t you mistaking Stockport for Southport, it was your use of “alleged incident” like it’s questionable that it happened at all and your previous comment about it being a false flag event. I find it chilling how you can consider the evidence of dead bodies, a room full of witnesses and a captured knife wielding suspect as “alleged incident”.
Sure everything is racist
If this “everything” are white men, you forgot to mention.
I’m sorry, I missed the part where the individual in custody was offered a fair trial under our convention of human rights and adherence to “innocent before being proven guilty”, and was found guilty of these crimes beyond reasonable doubt. Perhaps a better title for this piece could be “Stockport incident exploited by authoritarian ideologues pushing for digital ID and the surveillance of everything.” This may or may not be a false flag psychological operation, but if the author wants to castigate police and reporters, a little 101 in justice and investigative journalism wouldn’t go amiss to begin with. Oh, and for the record, the term “disinformation” (aka good old-fashioned propaganda) is what populists and hacks throw at each other to score points.
*Southport
Everything else in your post is as ill-informed and poorly argumented as your wrong referral to the place that has been on the news for three full days now.
Enough said.
Please expand – explain what you disagree with. Or are you just angry (first sign of being propagandised – irrational anger)
There’s “innocent before being proven guilty”, Amy, and then there’s being wrestled to the ground with a knife in your hands and bloodied & dead children all around you and a load of eye-witnesses. There’s nothing irrational about being angry after such a massacre of innocent children. Indeed, I would suggest there’s something rather irrational (to put it mildly) about defending the murderer in such a case
Why was the suspect taken alive?
You are scum of the earth.
Yes, probably married to Muslim rapist or mentally ill transgender.
It’s a capital mistake to theorise without data. According to Sherlock Holmes/Conan Doyle.
If a person is born in Cardiff, do people theorise/conspiracy theorise that they are a druid? Or chapel? Why not?
Unenviable are the people who will have to do jury service in the case.
‘Baseless’ LOL Nothing to see …move along. There were no muslim rape gangs in the North either. Nothing to see. Conspiracy….No massive rise in rapes in Germany and Sweden….Nothing to see…..No problem of ghettoisation and insulated ethnic subcultures hostile to Britain in the cities….Nothing to see.
Perhaps – just maybe – people are responding to the arc …the broad trajectory….the endless repetition of incidents….the political class in complete and utter denial, as the ground shifts beneath our feet.
Perhaps you should save this BS for the Guardian. I don’t pay for that any longer
Southport attack has been exploited by conspiracists is a very bad article title..
The attack was not caused by the conspirators. The real cause of the attack is the misbehavior of politicians and authorities.
He’s a member of a British ethnic minority. Of course he’ll argue for the replacement and annihilation of the British people. Who cares for white Britons? Apparently no one that matters. Not everyone can live together. When whites lived in India and took it over, it was called colonialism and it was supposed to be a bad thing. Now we have invaders and they are taking over and killing Europeans. They need to do a lot more than burn police cars.
The British ruled India but they never tried to ethnically take over or replace the native population. Quite the contrary.
A black man enters a school and kills some children. The police, the media and the political establishment all agonise over a possible motive.
A white man enters a school and kills some children. There is no doubt. The political establishment and their media lackeys are all immediately sure. It’s a racist attack.
‘they hail from an African country which suffers from mass intergenerational trauma due to its recent history of extreme violence, including Rwanda’s four-year civil war in the Nineties. The offspring of those with such troubling life experiences are themselves at higher risk of psychiatric disorders, which is often mixed with drug abuse.’ When we are already struggling with the provision of medical and mental health treatments for our own people, allowing in tens of thousands whose problems not only demand massive use of scarce resources, but pose a threat to the lives of our own children, is yet another compelling reason why people from such backgrounds should not be allowed into the UK.
‘Rayner suggested that Yvette Cooper, the home secretary, would “be looking at” whether the EDL should be banned under terror laws in the wake of the unrest,’ Yes, you can bomb London transport and the Manchester Arena, bring thousands onto the streets inciting the murder of Salman Rushdie, threaten to kill a schoolteacher, run ray p gangs across the country, and your religion will be ‘protected’. Face an allegation that some members might have been associated with a violent demonstration against an atrocity, though, and you’ll be banned under terror laws.
the EDL were disbanded over 10 years ago
I guess you can’t make a comment on the extinction of white Britons without having your comment deleted.
If your comment has been removed, I would suggest you write to UnHerd Support (the mail is somewhere on this site). My comments have often been removed, even absolutelly innocuous ones. Every time I write a mail asking about the specific reasons for the removal of my comment. Usually the comment is restored very soon after that.
If your comment was not in breach of the community rules (i.e. common sense), it should be restored pretty quickly.
Actually, it is still there. I’m glad we can have a real discussion about which populations should live together.
Yes, I saw your comment after replying to you and am happy it was not removed (or, if it was, then was restored promptly).
In my most recent correspondence with UnHerd Support re yet another removed comment of mine, I received a response along the lines of “because it is a sensitive topic”, etc. To which I said that if an article is on a sensitive topic then, logically, the comments will also be dedicated to the very same, sensitive topic.
In any case, it seems that, indeed, there’s an improvement in their procedures, which is undoubtedly positive.
There is a certain cruel irony that many of those commenting here would condemn the writer Dr Rakib Ehsan, a British-Bangladeshi, whose PhD thesis, concerned the impact of social integration on the public attitudes of British non-white ethnic minorities, to immediate deportation or worse.
The western democracies are in the iron grip of the Woking Class elites, and they will not tolerate any dissension from their orthodoxy or permit open discussion. People are genuinely concerned by the impact of mass immigration which is undermining the very fundamentals of their culture, history and values. Indeed, we are being bullied into being ashamed of all these things, and not to react when immigrants are involved in horrific acts of deathly. violence. The Southport murderer is described by the media as a ‘born Brit’. Technically yes: but to Rwandan immigrant parents. In most people’s eyes he is not an ethnic Brit, no matter that he was born here. This is the sort of distortion and imposition of woke values against which ordinary people here and in other western democracies are kicking against. How is it that we’ve allowed ourselves to be so cowed and controlled?
A rush to judgement is hardly conspiracy. And what is the conspiracy anyway? Of course using the word conspiracy suggests it’s all nonsense without genuine anger.