For 15 months, we have been unable to gather in large groups, walk into a shop without a mask or even go to your local pub without having to scan a code from your phone; it is the first time that western nations have locked down their populations — and they managed to do so with little resistance. What does this all mean for the way our society is organised? On the day the lockdown was supposed to be lifted, Freddie Sayers spoke to a panel of UnHerd contributors to ask: how has lockdown changed us?
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On lockdown:
Mary Harrington
Over the past 15 months, we’ve had where we can go controlled, strictly limited, and confined to a narrow area. We’ve become accustomed to far greater levels of surveying one another. In a sense, we’ve all become helicopter children. And my fear is that unless we can shake our heads and clear that fog of being helicoptered from our entire way of being, then it will be the death knell for a general acceptance of the norms of liberal democracy.
- Mary Harrington, UnHerd
Aris Roussinos:
Lockdown itself is fundamentally just a distraction, a minor inconvenience in historical terms. But it’s been a catalyst, which is moving us to a new era of history…It took the Covid experience to awaken people to our societal dependence in China…Now we are seeing a return of the state and the end of this unthinking neoliberal consensus. Covid is the equivalent of the 1973 oil crisis in that it didn’t need to lead to neoliberalism…It was just a catalyst… So it has ushered in a kind of statist, dirigiste system and caused a vast historical pendulum swing in the other direction.
- Aris Roussinos, UnHerd
Maurice Glasman:
What shocked me most was that the churches closed down. For the first time in our history, the church doors were closed, the lights were turned off… That led me to think what would our society be without that presence of love, compassion, mercy, forgiveness? And then that led me to reflect on the utter lack of forgiveness, mercy, compassion from the absence of a real physical presence, which scared me, and still scares me.
- Maurice Glasman, UnHerd
Helen Thompson:
What’s worrying is the ways in which it became impossible really to have any political debate about what the policy should be towards this illness, particularly after the first few months. I understand why that was because there was clearly a pretty substantial majority that was in favour of lockdown policies and didn’t really want to have a debate. That teaches us how much health anxiety there is in this country — for understandable reasons. But it meant there wasn’t any possibility of having a discussion where we say, “okay, we’re going to take this short term risk, this medium term risk, these long term risks” and have a reasonable, reasoned discussion about these competing risks. That discussion never took place.
- Helen Thompson, UnHerd
On the return of the state
Mary Harrington:
The return of the state has been coupled with an annihilation of the Mittelstand, as they call it in German, ‘the middle people’… The self-organising institutions of society dissolved and some of them will never come back — or won’t come back in the way they did before…My fear is that, having been replaced by a sort of internet mediated simulacrum of civil society — largely run from the centre via platforms or pump-primed by the state — that those institutions just don’t hold a candle.
- Mary Harrington, UnHerd
Aris Roussinos:
I think that’s a short term perspective…suddenly, the world of ideology has opened up again, and there are actually different ideologies. I think that Covid functions as a dummy war or an initial run-through of what a war with China would look like…it’s a case of boiling the frogs quickly, rather than slowly. Now, we are getting more people talking about things like antitrust breaking up the vast power of Amazon and Facebook — it’s become more politically salient.
- Aris Roussinos, UnHerd
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SubscribeWell done! Wow, a real discussion with real differences of opinion. Loss count how many times in 64 minutes I agreed and disagreed. What a delight! Bob Pruger, an American dissenter to the lockdown.
Maybe my expectations of this event were too high, but I felt the discussion was far too intellectual for my taste and brain power. Mary Harrington was excellent and articulate and had some interesting and valid viewpoints. I thought I had a reasonable grasp of the english language but I found Aris difficult to follow and hadn’t a clue where he was coming from. I felt it a pity for those online subscribers to have the event combined with a pub evening for those present in the “studio”. I’d forgotten what central London office/pub culture was like.
I turned it off shortly after 40:30, the point where Freddy says that ‘My guess is this panel will be in favor of increased spending’ ‘Is there anyone here that would say its gone too far?’
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Only if you believe that the destruction of the world’s economy and millions of lives destroyed and killed matter, and possibly the end of society as we know it because of the “covid” spending. 50 trillion spent on the ‘Response’ globally, that is after a huge asset bubble had been building for decades, and debt higher than ever in history…
Helen Thompson (Political Economics) “Political economy is a branch of social science that studies the relationship that forms between a nation’s population and its government when public policy is enacted.” addressing Freddys question rambled about the ‘Bond Market’, ‘I don’t like it’, and that QE saving the bond market March 2020 caused something, but does not say what, and that taxes cannot pay it back, and the point of no return is crossed but no one can say what it means, and bla, bla, bla….and drops the topic.
Here it is as I see it
1) massive deflation, and the Great Depression II (depression was deflation) (youtube Jeff Booth, Harry Dent, and dozens of others). Tech is Deflationary as it makes manufacturing and software automated, boosts productivity, so drops prices. The Fed must print 5-8% free money just to get 2% inflation because the deflationary effect of tech. Deflation means debt is unaffordable as money is expensive and debt becomes too expensive to ever pay off (Globe holds $200,000,000,000,000 debt public and private) so BOOM! Economy dead if printing slows (UBI will have to be handed out just to keep deflation from happening and the printing presses humming – but that will not work very long)
2) Inflation is needed in our economic system to absorb the excess debt and money printing, 2% is thought ideal, (inflation is a tax on everyone to fund government redistribution) but then….Hyper Inflation. By definition Inflation IS THE INCREASE OF MONEY SUPPLY WITHOUT CORRESPONDING PRODUCTION, AND TRILLIONS OF PRINTING MONETARY AND FISCAL $ IS THAT. THEN WAGE INFLATION IS COMING. CPI, and industrial input inflation is running 5.%, wages inflating, – – real assets inflation, commodities, housing, and Equities, energy (12% – 200% so far, in one year)… Once inflation begins raising interest is normally used to hold it – this is IMPOSSIBLE because the debt, so it has to remain ZERO. If spending ($150 Billion/month + 3.2 Trillion, plus 4 trillion ‘Green’) is ‘Tapered’ (reduced) the entire mess collapses into default. Hyperinflation is like Wiemar, Argentina, Zimbabwe… Peter Schiff, Rickards, Dalio, and others on youtube….
But Unherd does not do Money, but it is like watching Germany in 1932 – 38, just waiting for it to get going, and all the MSM is blithely taking of celebrities and social issues. Covid was not a illness issue, it is an economic issue, and the lockdown may have destroyed us – or not, maybe Tech will keep productivity exponentially rising so we can not produce, but still spend, like in 2020, and we all can retire on UBI soon – or not…..
“””It’s the economy, stupid
“The economy, stupid” is a phrase coined by James Carville in 1992. It is often quoted from a televised quip by Carville as “It’s the economy, stupid.” Carville was a strategist in Bill Clinton’s successful 1992 presidential campaign against incumbent George H. W. Bush”””
Stephen, it was all just word salad they were serving us, just vaguely rambling on trying to express how they felt about something they have not reflected on. You note the vast numbers of umm, er, hmmm, and so on as every second word – that means they had not done the very obvious and necessary step of being given the questions days early to prepare so they could say something thought out and useful.
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Oh, are they finished droning on yet? Because I had to pause it or be forced to gnaw my own leg off to escape that sensory deprivation chamber.
There was one moment in the discussion where they discussed of how,when fallowing the bellwether sheep, they used its tail as an indication of direction to take, or if they preferred to fallow its comforting bell, and in the end all agreed it did not matter so long as it was leading them to where they needed to be going.
One caller mentioned how ‘All us sheep live our life in fear of the wolves, yet end up being eaten by the shepherd’. This was derided as Post-Neo-Liberal claptrap by the panel, unanimously, and said the caller must be a F* scist and hung up.
Well done Unherd, and Freddy, bring us this stimulating debate.