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April 27, 2023 - 10:30am
If only I had known! All these years, I’ve been doing feminism wrong — and I just needed a man to point it out. Feminism, it turns out, is about women validating men in all their lovely, feminine glory. It’s about cheering when a big bloke like Lia Thomas beats women at sport, pushing them into second place.
Failing to recognise this development as a triumph for women is “anti-feminist”, a category that’s new to me — and possibly to most women, who foolishly thought we’d got this feminism thing sorted out for ourselves. So thank heavens for two great brains who’ve come together to correct our errors.
Women are “using the guise of feminism to sort of push transphobic beliefs”, says Thomas in a new podcast. It’s hosted by Schuyler Bailar, a fellow transgender swimmer, who takes the argument even further: “In order to exclude anybody in the trans category, you have to reduce women to reproductive capacity, which is, in my opinion, extremely anti-feminist.”
You might think this is a bit much, coming from a movement that has campaigned vigorously to reduce women to a collection of body parts. It wasn’t feminists who tried to erase the word “woman”, replacing it with ugly neologisms such as “womb havers” and “people with a cervix”. It wasn’t feminists who offered accolades to organisations that agreed to censor their literature, rooting out offensive words like “mother”. Birthing parent, please!
This mangling of language is essential to trans activism, which needs to persuade the human race that it’s been wrong about biology for most of recorded history. Its aim is to conflate sex, which is an observable fact, with gender, which is a vague idea in someone’s head. And the next step is to force the rest of us to agree, as Thomas tried to articulate — I may have got the wrong verb here — on Bailar’s podcast.
Thomas isn’t content just to win women’s prizes, even though he is a biological male. He wants to be validated and he’s annoyed that female students on the University of Pennsylvania swimming team didn’t fawn over him in the way he wanted: “They’re like, ‘Oh, we respect Lia as a woman, as a trans woman or whatever. We respect her identity. We just don’t think it’s fair.’”
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SubscribeEverything about him is odious. I have no problem with considered transitioning for adults, but this raft of self IDing posers, cheats, mentally ill, stalkers, criminals and the like need to be seen for who they are. And they need to stay out of women’s safe spaces and female sports.
Is that “need to stay out” or “must me made to stay out” ? Self regulation, like self ID won’t work. Now how can you have legally mandated gender roles while sticking with the “gender roles are an oppressive social construct” line that feminists have been running for decades ?
We are now all getting sick from eating the loony stew that feminists have been cooking in the progressive kitchen over the last few generations.
Not all feminism is radical or loony. And certainly a lot of work done by feminists has been necessary.
Casting eyes downwards, I can see that you have worked yourself into an indignant, angry froth and maybe I shouldn’t get involved with that.
Not all feminism is radical or loony. And certainly a lot of work done by feminists has been necessary.
Casting eyes downwards, I can see that you have worked yourself into an indignant, angry froth and maybe I shouldn’t get involved with that.
Is that “need to stay out” or “must me made to stay out” ? Self regulation, like self ID won’t work. Now how can you have legally mandated gender roles while sticking with the “gender roles are an oppressive social construct” line that feminists have been running for decades ?
We are now all getting sick from eating the loony stew that feminists have been cooking in the progressive kitchen over the last few generations.
Everything about him is odious. I have no problem with considered transitioning for adults, but this raft of self IDing posers, cheats, mentally ill, stalkers, criminals and the like need to be seen for who they are. And they need to stay out of women’s safe spaces and female sports.
What’s the difference between Lia Thomas walking round a women’s changing room displaying his male genitalia, and a “flasher” in a raincoat!
Thomas is celebrated by the left and the media for his/her “courage” and living his/her “authentic self” (smirk). The raincoat flasher goes to jail.
Flashers in raincoats are not yet recognised as stunning and brave. But their time will come.
Great comment!!
Great comment!!
I believe erect, at times
One is supposed to be lauded for their psychosis and the other is a criminal.
Your reactionary attitudes are transphobic, problematic, offensive and harmful to some of the most marginalized members of our community.
You will be harmonized
War is Peace
Free Speech is Hate Speech
Man is Woman
Resistance is futile
Thomas is celebrated by the left and the media for his/her “courage” and living his/her “authentic self” (smirk). The raincoat flasher goes to jail.
Flashers in raincoats are not yet recognised as stunning and brave. But their time will come.
I believe erect, at times
One is supposed to be lauded for their psychosis and the other is a criminal.
Your reactionary attitudes are transphobic, problematic, offensive and harmful to some of the most marginalized members of our community.
You will be harmonized
War is Peace
Free Speech is Hate Speech
Man is Woman
Resistance is futile
What’s the difference between Lia Thomas walking round a women’s changing room displaying his male genitalia, and a “flasher” in a raincoat!
What does all that have to do with feminism at all? Whether one is a feminist or not is really neither here nor there as it is about fairness.
Exactly right. Feminist or not – and I’m certainly no milquetoast male feminist creep – this is about being blunt towards and about a lot of very sinister gynophobes and child mutilators.
It is NOT about fairness. It is about reality. It does not matter if Lia Thomas was coming last in every woman’s race he entered. He is not a woman/female and so should not be allowed to enter a woman’s race (neither should any woman be allowed to enter a man’s race).
It is NOT complicated. Humanity have all understood this for millenia.
Good comment, except that I don’t see anything wrong with women being allowed to enter men’s races, because this won’t be to the disadvantage of men.
Relatedly, I would have liked to have seen a bit more of Katie Taylor playing male grade cricket in Australia.
Good comment, except that I don’t see anything wrong with women being allowed to enter men’s races, because this won’t be to the disadvantage of men.
Relatedly, I would have liked to have seen a bit more of Katie Taylor playing male grade cricket in Australia.
Because feminism gave up on fairness a long time ago to focus on intersection and promotion of females above males (i.e. not equality).
Exactly right. Feminist or not – and I’m certainly no milquetoast male feminist creep – this is about being blunt towards and about a lot of very sinister gynophobes and child mutilators.
It is NOT about fairness. It is about reality. It does not matter if Lia Thomas was coming last in every woman’s race he entered. He is not a woman/female and so should not be allowed to enter a woman’s race (neither should any woman be allowed to enter a man’s race).
It is NOT complicated. Humanity have all understood this for millenia.
Because feminism gave up on fairness a long time ago to focus on intersection and promotion of females above males (i.e. not equality).
What does all that have to do with feminism at all? Whether one is a feminist or not is really neither here nor there as it is about fairness.
Sports like swimming are physical contests, so while it is not the reproductive capacity per se that matters, it is the fact of the different physical development that accompanies that reproductive capacity that is the reason for women’s divisions. So, Lia is not wrong really, he’d just like everybody to pretend women’s sport is a theatre of gender identity, not a physical contest to recognize female physical/technical excellence in that contest.
Except, of course, that many people have worked for years to develop and maintain a “theatre” for women’s sports. A “space” where women can compete on a more level playing field, by limiting the competition to women; born, and most importantly, grown-up and developed through adolesence and into adult-hood as a “natural” woman, without medical/mechanical/philosophical intervention. Lia should not be allowed to trash all that.
Except, of course, that many people have worked for years to develop and maintain a “theatre” for women’s sports. A “space” where women can compete on a more level playing field, by limiting the competition to women; born, and most importantly, grown-up and developed through adolesence and into adult-hood as a “natural” woman, without medical/mechanical/philosophical intervention. Lia should not be allowed to trash all that.
Sports like swimming are physical contests, so while it is not the reproductive capacity per se that matters, it is the fact of the different physical development that accompanies that reproductive capacity that is the reason for women’s divisions. So, Lia is not wrong really, he’d just like everybody to pretend women’s sport is a theatre of gender identity, not a physical contest to recognize female physical/technical excellence in that contest.
Thomas is no more a woman than I am, proud father and grandfather but not deranged into thinking I’m something I am not. May as well self identify as a snail or a rock; it makes as much sense.
Thomas is no more a woman than I am, proud father and grandfather but not deranged into thinking I’m something I am not. May as well self identify as a snail or a rock; it makes as much sense.
Anyone who has read 1984 knows what this is about: humiliation by forced lying.
It’s also about the denial of science and the scientific process. Once we are forced to accept something that is illogical, we can be forced to accept anything that is illogical.
It’s also about the denial of science and the scientific process. Once we are forced to accept something that is illogical, we can be forced to accept anything that is illogical.
Anyone who has read 1984 knows what this is about: humiliation by forced lying.
Dunno which morality narrative to subscribe to on this. On the one hand the majority of feminists are trans-positive and one can only wonder how that’s possible. Perhaps it’s because they’ve been refusing to admit to differences in ability between men and women for so long that it’s hard to admit that transwomen are a problem. As Helen R. said: “I’m just as bad as you, there ain’t nothin’ I can’t do” … so Lia can’t be admitted to be better by virtue of sex he’s just another Bobby Riggs.
Still, it’s The Patriarchy coming to the assistance of the TERFs — not to mention the ordinary sane females. One the one hand I’m tempted to gloat as the radfems get hoist by their own petards. On the other hand, real, normal women and girls are being harmed, and, as a Patriarch, it’s my duty to prevent that.
I’d say it’s your duty as a human being to prevent that.
Whether you consider yourself a patriarch (which is actually beyond parody) or not has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Patriarch, noun, definition; Male head of a family or tribe.
If a man considering himself to be a patriarch is now some sort of a joke, then we can see how deeply the progressive feminist rot has bitten into the foundations of our society. Free floating consumers in a post-modern liberal society have no particular obligations to anyone other than themselves. Fathers and Grandfathers have particular moral obligations and certain privileges to help them fulfill those obligations. You can’t have one without the other. Any system is going to be more or less corrupt, but if you destroy the patriarchy and it’s privileges then you destroy it’s obligations as well. The current trans-madness isn’t a problem of the patriarchy, it’s a problem of lack of patriarchy. Dad is gone and the kids are running riot.
I suspect Ray used the term in jest
Patriarch, noun, definition; Male head of a family or tribe.
If a man considering himself to be a patriarch is now some sort of a joke, then we can see how deeply the progressive feminist rot has bitten into the foundations of our society. Free floating consumers in a post-modern liberal society have no particular obligations to anyone other than themselves. Fathers and Grandfathers have particular moral obligations and certain privileges to help them fulfill those obligations. You can’t have one without the other. Any system is going to be more or less corrupt, but if you destroy the patriarchy and it’s privileges then you destroy it’s obligations as well. The current trans-madness isn’t a problem of the patriarchy, it’s a problem of lack of patriarchy. Dad is gone and the kids are running riot.
I suspect Ray used the term in jest
I’d say it’s your duty as a human being to prevent that.
Whether you consider yourself a patriarch (which is actually beyond parody) or not has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Dunno which morality narrative to subscribe to on this. On the one hand the majority of feminists are trans-positive and one can only wonder how that’s possible. Perhaps it’s because they’ve been refusing to admit to differences in ability between men and women for so long that it’s hard to admit that transwomen are a problem. As Helen R. said: “I’m just as bad as you, there ain’t nothin’ I can’t do” … so Lia can’t be admitted to be better by virtue of sex he’s just another Bobby Riggs.
Still, it’s The Patriarchy coming to the assistance of the TERFs — not to mention the ordinary sane females. One the one hand I’m tempted to gloat as the radfems get hoist by their own petards. On the other hand, real, normal women and girls are being harmed, and, as a Patriarch, it’s my duty to prevent that.
It would be nice to see a feminist write an article analyzing if feminists had anything to do with women in America supporting trans movement more than men.
Indeed, I’d like to see a reasonably exact number for how many “trans activists” are biologically female – compared to how many are biologically male.
I don’t expect to see it, as it would be extremely hard for most feminists to consider the real possibility of misogyny now being a female activity.
If trans men are misogynists, are trans women misandrists?
If trans men are misogynists, are trans women misandrists?
Indeed, I’d like to see a reasonably exact number for how many “trans activists” are biologically female – compared to how many are biologically male.
I don’t expect to see it, as it would be extremely hard for most feminists to consider the real possibility of misogyny now being a female activity.
It would be nice to see a feminist write an article analyzing if feminists had anything to do with women in America supporting trans movement more than men.
Transactivism; it’s just misogyny with extra steps.
It would make as much sense to say it’s just misandry with extra steps.
It would make as much sense to say it’s just misandry with extra steps.
Transactivism; it’s just misogyny with extra steps.
Feminists did indeed introduce all the distasteful nonsense you complain about.
Feminists did indeed introduce all the distasteful nonsense you complain about.
We are going to see a lot more women take a stand against the trans-lunacy going forward but what we won’t see is any such feminist critique making a serious retrospective analysis about how we got here in the first place. There is no way they can do it without blowing a hole in their own ship or cutting through the branch they are sitting on.
Dismantling the patriarchy, gender as a social construct, centering the lived experience of the authentic self, all of this and plenty more hogwash has been the bedrock of feminist activism for decades and also the bedrock of trans-lunacy as well.
I will support efforts to restore some sanity to gender relations, but Rad-fem Terfs just think the trans-train has gone too far down the line by just a single stop. It was only when it started biting into women and girls they cried “Stop the Madness !” They would have that train magically transported back down the tracks by a few miles but still with the boilers burning and a full head of steam.We’ve had a few casualties so far but this train needs to be utterly stopped before there’s a major wreck.
Jack, good points, well made.
Feminism has been rotten to its core from the outset, I’d be happy to point you to Prof Janice Fiamengo’s excellent video series exploring the history of the lunacy.
After many years of studying feminism and feminists I can confidently state that there is not one feminist narrative (let’s restrict ourselves to the developed world here) which is not one or more of the following – a baseless conspiracy theory (e.g. patriarchy), a fantasy, a lie, a delusion or a myth.
Mike Buchanan
JUSTICE FOR MEN & BOYS
http://j4mb.org.uk
Jack, good points, well made.
Feminism has been rotten to its core from the outset, I’d be happy to point you to Prof Janice Fiamengo’s excellent video series exploring the history of the lunacy.
After many years of studying feminism and feminists I can confidently state that there is not one feminist narrative (let’s restrict ourselves to the developed world here) which is not one or more of the following – a baseless conspiracy theory (e.g. patriarchy), a fantasy, a lie, a delusion or a myth.
Mike Buchanan
JUSTICE FOR MEN & BOYS
http://j4mb.org.uk
We are going to see a lot more women take a stand against the trans-lunacy going forward but what we won’t see is any such feminist critique making a serious retrospective analysis about how we got here in the first place. There is no way they can do it without blowing a hole in their own ship or cutting through the branch they are sitting on.
Dismantling the patriarchy, gender as a social construct, centering the lived experience of the authentic self, all of this and plenty more hogwash has been the bedrock of feminist activism for decades and also the bedrock of trans-lunacy as well.
I will support efforts to restore some sanity to gender relations, but Rad-fem Terfs just think the trans-train has gone too far down the line by just a single stop. It was only when it started biting into women and girls they cried “Stop the Madness !” They would have that train magically transported back down the tracks by a few miles but still with the boilers burning and a full head of steam.We’ve had a few casualties so far but this train needs to be utterly stopped before there’s a major wreck.
This transgenerism is the result of the Frankfurt School being allowed to influence education since 1919.
Keir Hardie, Founder of the Labour Party, just wanted to improve the quality of the lives of the honest hardworking but poor, through self help. Hardie started work at seven years of age and went down a mine at ten years of age. Hardie was taught to read and write by his parents and attended night school at the age of ten.
If the Labour Party had remained true to the spirit of Keir Hardie and Non Conformism (Methodism, Baptists, etc) and ignored Cultural Marxism, we would not be in this mess.
The result is that pursuit of Cultural Marxism has resulted in people being bogged dowm in a moral quagmire. If socialists had stayed on the path set by practical tough down to earth Non Conformists who deliberately avoided class warfare, such as Hardie and E Bevin, they would have arrived at sunny uplands.
How many feminists supported Mary Whitehouse?
This transgenerism is the result of the Frankfurt School being allowed to influence education since 1919.
Keir Hardie, Founder of the Labour Party, just wanted to improve the quality of the lives of the honest hardworking but poor, through self help. Hardie started work at seven years of age and went down a mine at ten years of age. Hardie was taught to read and write by his parents and attended night school at the age of ten.
If the Labour Party had remained true to the spirit of Keir Hardie and Non Conformism (Methodism, Baptists, etc) and ignored Cultural Marxism, we would not be in this mess.
The result is that pursuit of Cultural Marxism has resulted in people being bogged dowm in a moral quagmire. If socialists had stayed on the path set by practical tough down to earth Non Conformists who deliberately avoided class warfare, such as Hardie and E Bevin, they would have arrived at sunny uplands.
How many feminists supported Mary Whitehouse?
A lot of women who support Thomas call themselves ‘feminists’. Will the real feminists please stand up?
A lot of women who support Thomas call themselves ‘feminists’. Will the real feminists please stand up?
As we’d reliably expect from a TERF journalist, the role played by feminists in the creation and maintenance of trans ideology is absent from the article.
A couple of articles by the peerless Canadian anti-feminist MRA Professor Janice Fiamengo:
Lia Thomas is the Child of Feminism
https://fiamengofile.substack.com/p/lia-thomas-is-the-child-of-feminism
Anti-Trans Feminists are now Reaping the Whirlwind
https://fiamengofile.substack.com/p/anti-trans-feminists-are-now-reaping?
Janice will be giving the keynote speech at the 2024 International Conference on Men’s Issues, in Budapest. I look forward to hosting the event.
Mike Buchanan
JUSTICE FOR MEN & BOYS
http://j4mb.org.uk
As we’d reliably expect from a TERF journalist, the role played by feminists in the creation and maintenance of trans ideology is absent from the article.
A couple of articles by the peerless Canadian anti-feminist MRA Professor Janice Fiamengo:
Lia Thomas is the Child of Feminism
https://fiamengofile.substack.com/p/lia-thomas-is-the-child-of-feminism
Anti-Trans Feminists are now Reaping the Whirlwind
https://fiamengofile.substack.com/p/anti-trans-feminists-are-now-reaping?
Janice will be giving the keynote speech at the 2024 International Conference on Men’s Issues, in Budapest. I look forward to hosting the event.
Mike Buchanan
JUSTICE FOR MEN & BOYS
http://j4mb.org.uk