
À bien des égards, Dundrum ressemble au village irlandais typique : un boucher familial, un pub nommé Bertie’s et des rangées de maisons en terrasses, coiffées d’ardoise grise. Pourtant, en empruntant la R505, là où Dundrum se fond dans les haies du comté de Tipperary, on remarque rapidement quelque chose d’inattendu. Devant Dundrum House, un camp anti-migrants s’est installé. Établi en août, il s’oppose à l’installation prévue de 277 réfugiés, l’ancien hôtel devant être transformé en centre de Services d’hébergement pour la protection internationale (IPAS).
Au-delà de cette protestation au cœur des champs, ce qui frappe vraiment dans le camp de Dundrum, ce sont les panneaux. Il y a un slogan trumpiste — « Rendre Dundrum grand à nouveau » — mais aussi des touches d’humour décalé. Une affiche. Une affiche emprunte à Father Ted. « Faites attention maintenant ! À bas ce genre de choses. » Une autre montre le défunt Richard Harris dans une image tirée d’un film classique, où il conseille à un intrus d’être « un bon Yank et de rentrer chez lui ! » La même bannière comporte deux autres mentions : « Oui aux Ukrainiens, Club de golf, Salle de gym », affiche l’une. « Non au racisme et au centre IPAS », proclame l’autre.
Ceci, alors, est le populisme irlandais à la veille de l’élection de vendredi : idiosyncratique, teinté d’humour, et désireux de distinguer les peurs liées aux migrants du racisme pur et simple. À l’image du camp improvisé de Dundrum, c’est un mouvement qui émane essentiellement des bases, bien qu’il s’inscrive dans une perspective historique profonde. Et s’il est peu probable qu’il connaisse un succès immédiat, la colère bouillonnante à Dundrum finira certainement par trouver une expression concrète tôt ou tard, surtout dans un pays marqué par une solide tradition d’outsiders politiques — et encore plus si le triomphe du populisme de l’autre côté de l’Atlantique continue de déstabiliser l’Irlande.
Pendant des années, l’Irlande a joué le rôle du grand outsider politique. Que d’autres pays aient leur Brexit ou leur Le Pen, Éire est restée à l’écart. Et selon les derniers sondages, le populisme ne devrait pas non plus balayer le Dáil vendredi. Fine Gael, dirigé par le Taoiseach sortant Simon Harris, est actuellement à 19 %. Fianna Fáil, partenaire de coalition de Harris, atteint 21 %, juste un point devant l’opposition de Sinn Féin. De plus, comme Fine Gael et Fianna Fáil ont déjà annoncé qu’ils respecteraient leur accord de coalition, le centre politique semble prêt à tenir bon pour l’instant.
Mais si les résultats principaux de vendredi risquent d’indiquer un statu quo — Fine Gael ou Fianna Fáil étant des piliers du gouvernement irlandais depuis 100 ans — ce statu quo est loin d’être stable. Cela apparaît clairement dans les médias qui couvrent la période précédant l’élection, de nombreux reportages mettant en lumière le mécontentement latent de la nation, et ce malgré des finances gouvernementales saines et une croissance économique solide de 2 %. Ce sentiment transparaît également dans les propos des Irlandais eux-mêmes : selon l’Enquête sociale européenne, l’électeurirlandais moyen évalue sa satisfaction vis-à-vis de la démocratie de son pays à seulement 5,9 sur 10.
Comment expliquer un tel mécontentement ? Un facteur évident est l’immigration, qu’elle concerne des migrants économiques ou des réfugiés en quête d’asile. Longtemps exportateur net de population durant plus de 150 ans, l’Irlande affiche désormais une migration nette de près de 75 000 personnes par an, un cinquième de ses résidents actuels étant nés à l’étranger. En particulier, le nombre de demandes d’asile a connu une augmentation notable, grimpant de 94 % au cours des six premiers mois de 2024 seulement.
Les inquiétudes liées à la migration alimentent des préoccupations plus larges. L’économie irlandaise est certes en plein essor, mais l’afflux récent de migrants a mis une pression immense sur le logement et d’autres services. Cela est particulièrement évident dans un endroit comme Dundrum, où 277 migrants doivent être intégrés dans une communauté de seulement 221 habitants. Au-delà du sentiment que les communautés évoluent rapidement, cette situation exacerbe une pénurie chronique de logements, l’Irlande affichant le pire bilan de l’Union européenne en matière d’hébergement pour les jeunes. À cela s’ajoutent des pubs de village fermés et une colère palpable envers la classe politique.
Il apparaît donc clairement que tous les ingrédients du populisme irlandais sont présents et prêts à fermenter. Pourtant, comme le montrent si nettement les sondages, un résultat choc reste peu probable. Cela tient essentiellement à la réticence des politiciens traditionnels à évoluer avec les attentes des électeurs. Le Fine Gael et le Fianna Fáil, en particulier, ont généralement hésité à reconnaître la nécessité de limiter les flux migratoires. Aussi récemment qu’en décembre dernier, un ministre du gouvernement accusait certains politiciens de se draper dans le « victimisme » lorsqu’ils affirmaient que le débat public sur l’immigration était réprimé.
Jusqu’à récemment, quiconque souhaitant défier l’establishment aurait pu se tourner vers Sinn Féin, séduisant par son mélange enivrant de nationalisme irlandais et d’économie socialiste. Pourtant, bien que le parti ait atteint des suffrages il y a deux ans, il a depuis chuté de manière spectaculaire. L’immigration est, une fois encore, la principale cause de ce recul, les dirigeants progressistes de Sinn Féin semblant de plus en plus déconnectés des préoccupations de leur électorat. Selon un sondage réalisé en mai, 63 % des électeurs irlandais souhaitaient une politique d’immigration plus restrictive, un chiffre qui grimpe à 70 % parmi les partisans de Sinn Féin. Le même sondage révèle que les jeunes électeurs, issus des milieux les plus modestes et urbains — précisément la base de Sinn Féin — sont parmi les plus préoccupés par les niveaux actuels de migration en Irlande. Pourtant, des dirigeants comme Mary Lou McDonald se sont, jusqu’à récemment, montrés extrêmement réticents à commenter directement l’immigration.
Le mécontentement trouve cependant quelques débouchés. Avec les trois principaux partis refusant tout changement radical de cap sur l’immigration, certains électeurs se tournent vers Aontú, un parti qui combine nationalisme et conservatisme de manière que Sinn Féin ne peut pas. Pourtant, avec seulement 4 % des intentions de vote, il est évident que de nombreux Irlandais mécontents préfèrent miser sur des candidats indépendants. Souvent d’anciens membres désabusés des partis traditionnels, comme Mattie McGrath et Malachy Steenson, ces indépendants devraient, dans leur ensemble, obtenir environ 20 % des voix — soit à peu près le même pourcentage que chacun des trois grands partis. Inclus dans ce groupe se trouve le soi-disant Parti Indépendant. Comme Aontú, il mélange le zèle républicain avec le scepticisme sur l’immigration, bien qu’il se soit plié aux conditions irlandaises en acceptant l’adhésion à l’UE.
Bien qu’il soit peu probable que les indépendants réalisent une percée majeure cette fois-ci, le système électoral joue en leur faveur. En raison de sa nature proportionnelle, le système de vote unique transférable (STV) utilisé pour les élections au Dáil facilite les candidatures non affiliées, rendant possibles des bouleversements électoraux. Par ailleurs, il existe des signes que s’opposer au courant dominant peut porter ses fruits : fondé l’année dernière par deux anciens parlementaires, le Parti Indépendant compte déjà 24 conseillers et un député européen.
Au-delà des calculs électoraux, la meilleure façon de mesurer la montée du populisme irlandais reste d’observer des lieux comme Dundrum. Ce qui se passe dans le comté de Tipperary est suivi à l’échelle nationale, avec des hommes et des femmes qui prennent eux-mêmes l’initiative. Cela se reflète également dans des endroits comme le quartier de Finglas à Dublin, ou encore Cootehill dans le comté de Cavan, deux sites de manifestations anti-migration.
Dundrum est également emblématique sur le plan idéologique. Sans surprise, pour un peuple longtemps marqué par le racisme britannique, de nombreux populistes irlandais émergents cherchent à rejeter eux-mêmes les accusations de discrimination. « La couleur de la peau n’est pas le problème, et il est délibérément malhonnête de prétendre le contraire », écrit un utilisateur sur un groupe politique populaire sur Facebook, faisant écho au panneau « Non au racisme » à Dundrum. « Parler de ‘suprématie blanche’ dans un pays qui a autant souffert de la part de ‘blancs’ que l’Irlande est une forme particulièrement sournoise de manipulation mentale. »
Et si cela évoque vivement comment les tragédies de l’histoire irlandaise façonnent le populisme du pays, il y a aussi d’autres exemples. À l’instar de Dundrum, les manifestations et les publications sur les réseaux sociaux abondent de références à la « plantation », établissant un lien explicite entre l’accueil des réfugiés et la colonisation de l’Irlande par les colons anglais et écossais aux XVIe et XVIIe siècles. Le passé résonne également dans d’autres aspects : l’affiche de Richard Harris à Dundrum, par exemple, fait écho à un discours sur la Grande Famine. L’humour décalé, lui aussi, constitue un trait partagé entre le camp de Dundrum et ses équivalents ailleurs. Lors d’un rassemblement anti-migration récent, un participant s’est même déguisé en Saint Patrick.
Au-delà de l’histoire et de l’humour, cependant, le succès d’un populisme à la Trump en Irlande pourrait dépendre, en fin de compte, de l’homme lui-même. Bien qu’un sondage réalisé plus tôt cette année ait révélé que les électeurs irlandais préfèrent Joe Biden, le parcours de Trump, fait de surprises et de renversements, rappelle qu’une stagnation apparente peut être brisée de manière inattendue.
Puis, il y a la question des politiques économiques du Président élu. Actuellement, plus d’un euro sur huit perçu par le gouvernement irlandais provient de l’impôt sur les sociétés payé par des multinationales américaines. L’année dernière, l’Irlande a exporté pour 54 milliards d’euros de biens vers les États-Unis, soit 2,5 fois la valeur des exportations vers le Royaume-Uni. Par ailleurs, l’excédent commercial de l’Irlande avec les États-Unis atteint actuellement un record de 35 milliards d’euros. Le retour de Trump constitue une menace sérieuse pour cet équilibre : en plus d’envisager des droits de douane, il prévoit de réduire l’impôt sur les sociétés, alors que Dublin prévoit de l’augmenter.
Compte tenu du style erratique de Trump, il reste incertain qu’il mette réellement en œuvre ces projets. Mais s’il le fait, cela pourrait porter un coup dur au modèle économique qui soutient la prospérité récente de l’Irlande. Et, bien entendu, un tel bouleversement pourrait s’avérer être une aubaine pour les populistes émergents — à Dundrum comme ailleurs.
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SubscribeI am still staggered by the incompetence of the Tory party leadership. To throw away an 80 seat majority and to allow Labour to park its tanks on its own lawn takes some doing.
Truly staggering!
I am still staggered by the incompetence of the Tory party leadership. To throw away an 80 seat majority and to allow Labour to park its tanks on its own lawn takes some doing.
Truly staggering!
Unless and until Starmer commits to leaving the EHRC and repealing the Human Rights Act, this is just posturing.
“this is just posturing.”
The Tory Party can’t even manage that much.
“this is just posturing.”
The Tory Party can’t even manage that much.
Unless and until Starmer commits to leaving the EHRC and repealing the Human Rights Act, this is just posturing.
There was a time when a party that represented “labour” (as in working stiffs) would be an immigration hawk because foreign immigrants naturally compete with native born workers and depress their wages.
The abandonment of this principle by the entire global Left signals their transition to an elite party. While foreign immigration hurts the poor most, elites like it because it makes the servant class that caters to their needs cheaper to employ.
There was a time when a party that represented “labour” (as in working stiffs) would be an immigration hawk because foreign immigrants naturally compete with native born workers and depress their wages.
The abandonment of this principle by the entire global Left signals their transition to an elite party. While foreign immigration hurts the poor most, elites like it because it makes the servant class that caters to their needs cheaper to employ.
Now all he has to do to win is look up the dictionary definition of “woman”
And suppress all republication or mention of him and The Hon Member for Shameless kneeling.
And suppress all republication or mention of him and The Hon Member for Shameless kneeling.
Now all he has to do to win is look up the dictionary definition of “woman”
Can someone explain to me why wanting British working class people – white and black – to get off long term benefits and into work is right wing?
Labour traditionally championed the working class, Starmer is therefore simply taking his party back to its routes.
Kind of related: I (absolutely not a leftie) have found myself in the odd position of explaining to leftie friends that limiting low-skilled immigration would be in the interests of the domestic working class. I mean you have to take a step back and marvel at the topsy-turviness of it: a person who is right of centre (and solidly middle class) having to explain and advocate basic positions of the left (“repeat after me: you are supposed to be defending the rights and interests of the workers: that is your purpose, that is your job”) to left-wingers.
Further proof that we need to either jettison these right/left wing labels or completely redefine them for the 21st century.
I think they abandoned that role about 20 to 25 years ago.
Possibly around the same time the The Conservatives abandoned conservatism.
It is astonishing how many adults do not understand supply and demand. Amazing too is how many who do understand it, deny it for political or ideological reasons.
I think they abandoned that role about 20 to 25 years ago.
Possibly around the same time the The Conservatives abandoned conservatism.
It is astonishing how many adults do not understand supply and demand. Amazing too is how many who do understand it, deny it for political or ideological reasons.
This is because white working class were the workhorses of the country before they were offered 0 hours contracts and unreliable and unethical work. You work for pay. This is not available to working classes necessarily on 0 hours contracts. The situation is extremely complex and unethical. This nasty view of the working class, where they have now been labelled as shameful untermensch is a right wing view. “Shameful benefit scroungers”. How about offer WORK on a fair wage- left wing view- traditionally socialist and in actual fact- scrap left wing and right wing- this is a human right. Stop conning people out of their pay for their labour and people will show up.
Kind of related: I (absolutely not a leftie) have found myself in the odd position of explaining to leftie friends that limiting low-skilled immigration would be in the interests of the domestic working class. I mean you have to take a step back and marvel at the topsy-turviness of it: a person who is right of centre (and solidly middle class) having to explain and advocate basic positions of the left (“repeat after me: you are supposed to be defending the rights and interests of the workers: that is your purpose, that is your job”) to left-wingers.
Further proof that we need to either jettison these right/left wing labels or completely redefine them for the 21st century.
This is because white working class were the workhorses of the country before they were offered 0 hours contracts and unreliable and unethical work. You work for pay. This is not available to working classes necessarily on 0 hours contracts. The situation is extremely complex and unethical. This nasty view of the working class, where they have now been labelled as shameful untermensch is a right wing view. “Shameful benefit scroungers”. How about offer WORK on a fair wage- left wing view- traditionally socialist and in actual fact- scrap left wing and right wing- this is a human right. Stop conning people out of their pay for their labour and people will show up.
Can someone explain to me why wanting British working class people – white and black – to get off long term benefits and into work is right wing?
Labour traditionally championed the working class, Starmer is therefore simply taking his party back to its routes.
Both Starmer and Sunak seem to me to be missing the point and, frankly, not giving the voters enough credit.
In my mind the problem with EU legal freedom of movement was not as such the numbers involved rather it was the sense, likely justified, that free movement was not reciprocal movement. Had 2 million young unemployed or underemployed all headed under free movement to the A8 countries for wages, welfare and the like then we would have had a 90% REMAIN vote. It may well be the case that free movement was something that allowed the economy to flourish. The problem came when to a large number of people free movement meant the freedom to have your labour market casualised and your job zeroed – why should anyone vote for more of that? Sunak is not wrong that illegal migration is plainly an issue in need of resolution. Every migrant boat is a slap across the face of those of us who went through the system with all the strain it (rightly) brings. But illegal migration is not the full picture.
Similarly, Starmer and co seem to have taken to the idea that if you don’t like immigration then you are a racist that can be ignored. Starmer is right that UK business and the NHS need to wean themselves off wage arbitrage and casualisation. Seeing writers in the media conflate asylum seeking and labour marked shortages has been dispiriting to say the least. What Starmer’s not talking about is the justice system that he himself is a product of has muscled in on decisions about who should be here which rightly belong to nationally elected politicians.
The voters aren’t stupid. They know that the EU was offering a deal that lacked reciprocity, that the courts are a real stumbling block, that illegal migration matters a lot both morally and practically and that the quality of legal migration should be the focus. The reason the voters are punishing everyone is because no politician seems able to hold more than one thought in their head at once.
Both Starmer and Sunak seem to me to be missing the point and, frankly, not giving the voters enough credit.
In my mind the problem with EU legal freedom of movement was not as such the numbers involved rather it was the sense, likely justified, that free movement was not reciprocal movement. Had 2 million young unemployed or underemployed all headed under free movement to the A8 countries for wages, welfare and the like then we would have had a 90% REMAIN vote. It may well be the case that free movement was something that allowed the economy to flourish. The problem came when to a large number of people free movement meant the freedom to have your labour market casualised and your job zeroed – why should anyone vote for more of that? Sunak is not wrong that illegal migration is plainly an issue in need of resolution. Every migrant boat is a slap across the face of those of us who went through the system with all the strain it (rightly) brings. But illegal migration is not the full picture.
Similarly, Starmer and co seem to have taken to the idea that if you don’t like immigration then you are a racist that can be ignored. Starmer is right that UK business and the NHS need to wean themselves off wage arbitrage and casualisation. Seeing writers in the media conflate asylum seeking and labour marked shortages has been dispiriting to say the least. What Starmer’s not talking about is the justice system that he himself is a product of has muscled in on decisions about who should be here which rightly belong to nationally elected politicians.
The voters aren’t stupid. They know that the EU was offering a deal that lacked reciprocity, that the courts are a real stumbling block, that illegal migration matters a lot both morally and practically and that the quality of legal migration should be the focus. The reason the voters are punishing everyone is because no politician seems able to hold more than one thought in their head at once.
I like how this debate continues to hinge on the present posture, casually broken promises and future prospects of those who have brought us to this situation. Like a Newsnight panel discussing what is next for the captain of a sinking ship whose passengers are drowning. “Can we get Shipman back to help see the NHS through this terrible Winter” etc?
I like how this debate continues to hinge on the present posture, casually broken promises and future prospects of those who have brought us to this situation. Like a Newsnight panel discussing what is next for the captain of a sinking ship whose passengers are drowning. “Can we get Shipman back to help see the NHS through this terrible Winter” etc?
Back when Jacqui Smith was Home Secretary in the Blair years, she said (words to the effect) “we have to break the link between people coming here to work, and getting to stay”. Well, she never did, and nor has anyone since.
It remains the case that the great majority of work visas are T2, leading eventually to permanent settlement. Why not issue temporary work permits instead, we could then have all the immigration anyone could reasonably want, but a very low level of net immigration. Everyone happy!
Back when Jacqui Smith was Home Secretary in the Blair years, she said (words to the effect) “we have to break the link between people coming here to work, and getting to stay”. Well, she never did, and nor has anyone since.
It remains the case that the great majority of work visas are T2, leading eventually to permanent settlement. Why not issue temporary work permits instead, we could then have all the immigration anyone could reasonably want, but a very low level of net immigration. Everyone happy!
My fear with Starmer is that he will be a Trojan horse for the radical cultural left that dominates his party’s administrators and the civil servants he will hire in a future government. A Labour government will almost certainly increase immigration into the country and erect further legal barriers preventing the deportation of illegal ones.
With UK unemployment at 3.5% surely there aren’t that many British Staff to train up. Don’t we need some “controlled” immigration?
Also I should say, we have low unemployment and yet companies are still struggling to recruit. That seems to suggest that the 3.5% who are unemployed are unemployed for a reason will probably remain unemployed. I get the distinct impression that there aren’t enough people in the UK to drive the growth that the government wants.
There are two sides to the story, as I’m sure you know.
If you increase immigration you increase production and consumption – these things are elastic and expand as you increase the inputs. In other words, you get economic growth.
But the less elastic things – house building, hospital beds, GP appointments, school places, roads and rail etc – cannot keep up (especially if the immigrants are on low-to-moderately salaries and so pay negligible amounts of tax). Because demand outstrips supply, you get mile-long waiting lists and sky-high house prices.
Surely the job of government is to balance the two.
While we were in the EU we couldn’t control demand. Now we can and the government – either the current one or the next – must.
Thanks Matt, I completely agree. I was just responding to the article which suggests we can avoid the need for immigration by training up people from within. I’m just not sure if there are enough people available to fill the gap. For example, I see that there are vacancies for 46000 nurses. 90% of hospitals don’t have enough nurses. There are 165000 vacancies for care workers. The construction industry is desperate for more skilled workers. Tell me if I’m wrong but I don’t think there are enough people available for training to fill those gaps. What do you think?
In the US, the official unemployment calculation is rigged to grossly undercount. If you have not sought work in the past 4 weeks, you are no longer considered in the labor force, so are not part of the calculation. It also does not differentiate part time vs fulltime work. It’s all based on a survey of 60,000 households.
This explains how the computed value can be so low, yet so many companies are looking for workers.
Perhaps in the UK it is similar.
You are probably right Michael but if companies, the NHS, the Care Industry, the construction industry and others are still complaining of a shortage then there must not be enough available people around to fill those vacancies. Mr Roussinos is saying we should train from within so we don’t need immigration, great idea but my question is: where are those trainees to come from?
I’m in the Uk, West Midlands and everywhere I go there are Vacancy posters on walls and on roundabouts – training given they say.
You are probably right Michael but if companies, the NHS, the Care Industry, the construction industry and others are still complaining of a shortage then there must not be enough available people around to fill those vacancies. Mr Roussinos is saying we should train from within so we don’t need immigration, great idea but my question is: where are those trainees to come from?
I’m in the Uk, West Midlands and everywhere I go there are Vacancy posters on walls and on roundabouts – training given they say.
I agree with you. Not only do we not have enough people but those we have want to work from home via a computer screen. Bloggers and influencers can be found everywhere but it is difficult for a care worker to work from home.
Therefore we have to bring people in to do the unpopular jobs.
Or stop incentivizing them to stay home.
Or stop incentivizing them to stay home.
Cheers Steve.
Yes i think the approach needs to be multi-pronged and will take time to get right.
I think we should (as we are) prioritise shortage occupations in our work visa allocations.
I think we should guide our young poeple away from non-STEM degrees (surely Britain’s demand for sociologists is limited) and towards vocational qualifications and apprenticeships where there are gaps in our skills base.
We have had a huge (500k I think) rise in the number of people on long-term sick since COVID. These cases need urgent review and people need help to get back to work.
We need the government to incentivise capital investment in automation and process improvement through the tax system so firms can move away from the need for lots of low-cost workers.
We may have to rethink whether committing old people to nursing homes is actually such a great idea. When I was a boy – in the 1980s – it was considered a bit cruel to put your grandparents in a care home. They moved in with their children when they became too frail to live alone. What changed?
I’m sure there are many more things to do. But nothing will happen while unlimited cheap foreign labour is on tap.
In my opinion the UK doesn’t have a labour shortage, it has too many businesses chasing too few customers. Now without the government opening the immigration floodgates what should happen is this increased competition for workers would lead to higher wages which in turn would cause some of the more poorly run companies to fail, with their market share being taken by a more productive rival. Eventually you hit an equilibrium where enough zombie businesses have fallen over that you no longer have a labour shortage, wages have improved and only the best businesses have survived which has increased productivity. Large increases in cheap imported labour simple keeps us in the current status quo of low wages and poor productivity, and that’s before we mention the pressure it puts on housing, infrastructure and public services
This can’t be said enough Billy Bob.
This can’t be said enough Billy Bob.
In the US, the official unemployment calculation is rigged to grossly undercount. If you have not sought work in the past 4 weeks, you are no longer considered in the labor force, so are not part of the calculation. It also does not differentiate part time vs fulltime work. It’s all based on a survey of 60,000 households.
This explains how the computed value can be so low, yet so many companies are looking for workers.
Perhaps in the UK it is similar.
I agree with you. Not only do we not have enough people but those we have want to work from home via a computer screen. Bloggers and influencers can be found everywhere but it is difficult for a care worker to work from home.
Therefore we have to bring people in to do the unpopular jobs.
Cheers Steve.
Yes i think the approach needs to be multi-pronged and will take time to get right.
I think we should (as we are) prioritise shortage occupations in our work visa allocations.
I think we should guide our young poeple away from non-STEM degrees (surely Britain’s demand for sociologists is limited) and towards vocational qualifications and apprenticeships where there are gaps in our skills base.
We have had a huge (500k I think) rise in the number of people on long-term sick since COVID. These cases need urgent review and people need help to get back to work.
We need the government to incentivise capital investment in automation and process improvement through the tax system so firms can move away from the need for lots of low-cost workers.
We may have to rethink whether committing old people to nursing homes is actually such a great idea. When I was a boy – in the 1980s – it was considered a bit cruel to put your grandparents in a care home. They moved in with their children when they became too frail to live alone. What changed?
I’m sure there are many more things to do. But nothing will happen while unlimited cheap foreign labour is on tap.
In my opinion the UK doesn’t have a labour shortage, it has too many businesses chasing too few customers. Now without the government opening the immigration floodgates what should happen is this increased competition for workers would lead to higher wages which in turn would cause some of the more poorly run companies to fail, with their market share being taken by a more productive rival. Eventually you hit an equilibrium where enough zombie businesses have fallen over that you no longer have a labour shortage, wages have improved and only the best businesses have survived which has increased productivity. Large increases in cheap imported labour simple keeps us in the current status quo of low wages and poor productivity, and that’s before we mention the pressure it puts on housing, infrastructure and public services
Thanks Matt, I completely agree. I was just responding to the article which suggests we can avoid the need for immigration by training up people from within. I’m just not sure if there are enough people available to fill the gap. For example, I see that there are vacancies for 46000 nurses. 90% of hospitals don’t have enough nurses. There are 165000 vacancies for care workers. The construction industry is desperate for more skilled workers. Tell me if I’m wrong but I don’t think there are enough people available for training to fill those gaps. What do you think?
There are two sides to the story, as I’m sure you know.
If you increase immigration you increase production and consumption – these things are elastic and expand as you increase the inputs. In other words, you get economic growth.
But the less elastic things – house building, hospital beds, GP appointments, school places, roads and rail etc – cannot keep up (especially if the immigrants are on low-to-moderately salaries and so pay negligible amounts of tax). Because demand outstrips supply, you get mile-long waiting lists and sky-high house prices.
Surely the job of government is to balance the two.
While we were in the EU we couldn’t control demand. Now we can and the government – either the current one or the next – must.
Nothing wrong with controlled immigration – irregular, mass and illicit migration is a massive problem. However, regardless of where people are coming from and why, where will they live? We have about a million people in some form of housing need in the UK. A member of my family recently tried to rent a house and there were around 50 people who expressed an interest in it (and this was before the letting agent drew a line on queries about it. And this is in a poor and not especially nice area of London). I don’t think the powers that be realise how terrible the housing market is (esp for renters).
Something like 2.5M people are out of work on long-term sickness benefits, surely this is something that we can improve upon; to say nothing about the over 50s who have just taken themselves out of the job market by retiring early (I don’t know how they can afford it though). What I’m saying is that there should be some effort put in to getting economically inactive people back into the workplace.
I agree Linda. The other issue is about productivity. We are always being told that our productivity is poor. German has higher productivity and what is more they work fewer hours per week and per year and get more holiday. I have no idea why our productivity is low although I believe it is getting better.
Unfortunately I think it’s going to take time to fix and in the meantime I think we have to accept some immigration.
I agree Linda. The other issue is about productivity. We are always being told that our productivity is poor. German has higher productivity and what is more they work fewer hours per week and per year and get more holiday. I have no idea why our productivity is low although I believe it is getting better.
Unfortunately I think it’s going to take time to fix and in the meantime I think we have to accept some immigration.
Unemployment figures are not the same as measuring the levels of economic inactivity and, as far as I am aware, students are not included. Perhaps not warehousing hundreds of thousands of teenagers who, by now, must include those of average IQ, in third rate universities while racking up debts that will never be repaid might free up some candidates for vocational training. I would also look at offering bursaries or other incentives for taking STEM courses.
Also I should say, we have low unemployment and yet companies are still struggling to recruit. That seems to suggest that the 3.5% who are unemployed are unemployed for a reason will probably remain unemployed. I get the distinct impression that there aren’t enough people in the UK to drive the growth that the government wants.
Nothing wrong with controlled immigration – irregular, mass and illicit migration is a massive problem. However, regardless of where people are coming from and why, where will they live? We have about a million people in some form of housing need in the UK. A member of my family recently tried to rent a house and there were around 50 people who expressed an interest in it (and this was before the letting agent drew a line on queries about it. And this is in a poor and not especially nice area of London). I don’t think the powers that be realise how terrible the housing market is (esp for renters).
Something like 2.5M people are out of work on long-term sickness benefits, surely this is something that we can improve upon; to say nothing about the over 50s who have just taken themselves out of the job market by retiring early (I don’t know how they can afford it though). What I’m saying is that there should be some effort put in to getting economically inactive people back into the workplace.
Unemployment figures are not the same as measuring the levels of economic inactivity and, as far as I am aware, students are not included. Perhaps not warehousing hundreds of thousands of teenagers who, by now, must include those of average IQ, in third rate universities while racking up debts that will never be repaid might free up some candidates for vocational training. I would also look at offering bursaries or other incentives for taking STEM courses.
With UK unemployment at 3.5% surely there aren’t that many British Staff to train up. Don’t we need some “controlled” immigration?