Le marieur de l'Isis britannique a été rapatrié en France et condamné à 10 ans de prison l'année dernière (Le Marieur)

Lorsque Tooba Gondal, la célèbre ‘marieuse d’Isis’ britannique, a froidement célébré les attentats de Paris de novembre 2015, elle ne pouvait pas savoir que son destin était de revenir dans cette grande ville en tant que résidente de son système pénal. En décembre dernier, Gondal a été condamnée à Paris à 10 ans d’emprisonnement pour des infractions liées au terrorisme d’Isis. ‘Brûlez Paris, brûlez’, avait-elle tweeté à l’époque.
La dernière fois que Gondal, née à Paris mais ayant passé la majeure partie de sa vie en Grande-Bretagne, a fait l’actualité, c’était en octobre 2022, lorsque The Sunday Times a rapporté sur son procès imminent en France. Mais son emprisonnement semble être passé inaperçu tant dans ce pays qu’en France. Je n’en ai découvert l’existence que récemment après avoir googlé distraitement le nom de Gondal — comme on le fait parfois dans mon jeu — et c’était là, dans un rapport de journal plutôt morose et factuel du Musée-mémorial du terrorisme, qui a été créé en 2018 pour honorer la mémoire des victimes du terrorisme en France.
Le rapport enregistre ce qui suit. Le procès de Gondal s’est tenu du 1er au 5 décembre 2023. Le ministère public a demandé une peine de 15 ans d’emprisonnement, soulignant le ‘rôle de Gondal en tant qu’influenceuse au service d’Isis’, ses ‘excuses pour des actes de terrorisme, y compris ceux du 13 novembre 2015 en France, ainsi que le port et la manipulation d’armes de guerre’. La défense de Gondal, dirigée par Marie Dosé, une avocate française éminente qui a représenté plusieurs autres femmes revenant d’Isis, a soutenu que le ministère public manquait de preuves pour ses allégations et a insisté sur le fait que Gondal, depuis la naissance de son premier enfant, avait voulu ‘échapper à l’emprise d’Isis’.
Le dernier jour du procès, le président du tribunal a demandé si Gondal avait quelque chose à dire avant de rendre son verdict. ‘Ce procès compte beaucoup pour moi. Je m’excuse,’ a-t-elle répondu, adoptant un ton de respectueuse humilité. Comme le conclut le rapport de journal : ‘Le tribunal a rendu son verdict à la fin de l’après-midi, 10 ans d’emprisonnement criminel avec une période de sûreté de deux ou trois ans, avec un suivi socio-judiciaire et une obligation de soins.’
L’emprisonnement de Gondal marque la fin d’un voyage fou qui a commencé en janvier 2015. Gondal, alors âgée de 21 ans, a quitté ses études universitaires à Goldsmiths, s’est relocalisée à Raqqa, en Syrie, est devenue recruteuse pour Isis, a eu deux enfants, s’est mariée et veuve trois fois, a été touchée entre les yeux par une balle explosive, a obtenu une interdiction de territoire au Royaume-Uni, a survécu à la défaite d’Isis à Baghuz, s’est rendue aux Forces démocratiques syriennes, a joué dans un documentaire sur sa vie, et a fui la captivité administrée par les Kurdes après que son camp de détention a été bombardé par la Turquie. Elle a finalement été reprise par les forces turques et expulsée vers la France avec ses deux garçons en novembre 2019.
Il y aura beaucoup de personnes pour qui la peine de 10 ans de prison de Gondal sera terriblement insuffisante. Cela est dû à l’ampleur et à la gravité des nombreux crimes de l’Isis, y compris le génocide perpétré contre les Yézidis, et au rôle que les femmes de l’Isis ont joué dans ces crimes. Pourtant, la peine de Gondal n’est guère clémente et dépasse la peine de prison moyenne infligée aux rapatriés français de l’Isis, qui, selon la chercheuse Sofia Koller, est de six ans et huit mois. Elle dépasse également de manière substantielle la peine de prison moyenne pour les rapatriées de l’Isis en Allemagne, qui est de trois ans et 10 mois. Et c’est une peine considérablement plus punitive que celle infligée à la seule autre rapatriée britannique de l’Isis qui a été jugée : Tareena Shakil, qui est maintenant apparemment une influenceuse de mode en herbe, après avoir été emprisonnée pendant six ans en février 2016.
Cependant, de retour au Royaume-Uni, le rapatriement de Gondal en France et son emprisonnement soulèvent des questions inconfortables. La première est réputationnelle : il est franchement embarrassant que le Royaume-Uni soit incapable ou peu disposé à traiter avec quelqu’un comme Gondal, alors que les preuves contre elle étaient si accablantes, étendues et facilement récupérables. De 2014 à 2016, elle utilisait Twitter pour lancer des tirades contre l’Occident et recruter de jeunes femmes pour la cause de l’Isis. Il est bien sûr beaucoup plus difficile de savoir précisément ce qu’elle a fait en Syrie lorsqu’elle était hors ligne et à quel niveau elle se trouvait dans la hiérarchie des femmes étrangères de l’Isis à Raqqa, mais il aurait sûrement été possible pour les autorités britanniques d’engager une poursuite réussie contre elle. Cependant, elles ont choisi de ne pas le faire et ont plutôt transféré ce fardeau aux Français. Il est également honteux que, comme le note le rapport français, il y ait eu un ‘manque de coopération de la part du système judiciaire britannique’ dans les efforts de la France pour condamner Gondal.
La deuxième question que soulève la condamnation de Gondal est éducative : si elle avait été jugée en Grande-Bretagne, nous aurions vraiment pu apprendre quelque chose de précieux sur sa radicalisation et le contexte plus large dans lequel elle a eu lieu. Et cela aurait à son tour éclairé les scores d’autres femmes et adolescentes britanniques qui ont suivi le même chemin que Gondal et qui ont peut-être même reçu de l’aide de sa part pour naviguer sur ce chemin. Gondal, pour sa part, dit qu’elle a été ‘manipulée‘ pour rejoindre l’Isis, ce que disent presque toutes les épouses jihadistes capturées, à l’exception des plus implacables. L’argument selon lequel elles ont été trompées par la fausse promesse d’un monde meilleur et n’étaient pas conscientes des décapitations, etc., est bien sûr des balivernes — mais il aurait été utile de passer au crible les mensonges à la lumière froide et purificatrice d’une salle d’audience.
Plus crucialement, mettre Gondal à la barre aurait offert une excellente occasion de l’interroger sur le monde hors ligne qu’elle habitait dans les mois et les années précédant son départ pour la Syrie. Nous savons que les réseaux sociaux et les liens familiaux jouent un rôle important dans la radicalisation, alors comment cela a-t-il figuré dans la biographie de Gondal ? Avait-elle un père, un oncle ou une tante radicale, par exemple ? Quelle mosquée fréquentait-elle et avec qui traînait-elle à Goldsmiths (elle avait une fois tweeté avec enthousiasme sur les activités de collecte de fonds de la Société islamique de Goldsmith en novembre 2014) ? Qui (le cas échéant) connaissait-elle dans la scène pro-Isis de Londres en 2014 et quelle était la nature de ces relations (s’il en existait) ?
Peut-être que nous n’avons pas le courage, ici au Royaume-Uni, de poser de telles questions parce que nous avons trop peur des réponses. Alors, à la place, nous parlons idiotement de la ‘manipulation‘ en ligne des épouses djihadistes, sans qu’aucun ‘manipulateur’ ne soit jamais identifié ou tenu responsable, et nous mettons en garde contre les dangers des réseaux sociaux, qui peuvent d’une manière ou d’une autre transporter quelqu’un comme Gondal en Syrie, la faire entrer dans plusieurs mariages avec des combattants djihadistes et la transformer en un média à elle seule pour l’État islamique.
La troisième question que soulève le cas de Gondal est en forme de S, car si Gondal peut être ramenée avec succès et punie, pourquoi pas Shamima Begum ? Elle, après tout, est toujours apatride et bloquée en Syrie, après avoir perdu le mois dernier sa dernière tentative de faire appel de la suppression de sa citoyenneté britannique. Mais Begum ne s’en va pas et la condamnation réussie de Gondal à Paris pourrait ajouter une pression supplémentaire sur un gouvernement travailliste nouvellement formé pour reconsidérer la sagesse pratique et éthique de bloquer indéfiniment son retour au Royaume-Uni.
Comme Begum, Gondal a exprimé des regrets pour ses actions et s’est excusée auprès du public britannique. Mais a-t-elle vraiment renoncé à l’idéologie de l’Isis et accepté sa propre culpabilité dans les innombrables horreurs du groupe ? J’en doute, ayant regardé ses dénégations et ses illusions dans le documentaire captivant de Benedetta Argentieri à son sujet. Je suis également sceptique quant à la possibilité que la prison provoque un changement de cœur chez elle. Cela n’a pas, par exemple, suscité un changement chez John Walker Lindh, qui, après avoir purgé 20 ans de prison fédérale pour avoir combattu avec les talibans, semble être resté un extrémiste dévot. Il en va de même pour une femme trinidadienne qui a rejoint l’Isis en 2014 et purge actuellement une peine de prison en Irak ; je le sais parce que je suis ses mises à jour sur Facebook détaillant l’injustice de son emprisonnement. ‘De telles idées ne se dissolvent pas de manière fiable avec le temps’, comme l’a écrit Graeme Wood à propos de l’idéologie de l’Isis après la disparition territoriale du groupe en Syrie. ‘Elles deviennent parfois plus concentrées.’
Ce n’est bien sûr pas un argument contre l’enfermement des extrémistes violents, mais plutôt une note de réalisme sur sa capacité à provoquer un changement idéologique positif. Que Gondal ait changé ou puisse changer reste à voir, mais dans tous les cas, la justice a certainement été rendue. Le seul échec est qu’elle ne l’a pas été ici.
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Every time there is a hurricane or a twister, we get tv images of houses shattered like matchboxes. And the impression this leaves on me is that those houses WERE like matchboxes – spacious, but built mostly of wood and other light materials. Houses built in areas where extreme weather events occur regularly – and everyone knows that is the case in North America – should be built to withstand them, with appropriate design, and stone and brick bodies. I say this as an ignorant person. Maybe they are. Maybe appropriate regulations are in place. But it certainly does not seem so.
Another shill post. Lost me at the third paragraph.
This subject is best addressed out of storm season on an actuarial basis. One should not address one’s medical and accident insurance when some lout is bearing down on one in a dodgy vehicle at speed.
More astroturfed fear mongering claptrap from motivated climate porn evangelists selling a data free narrative.
I’m skeptical that extreme weather events like Helene and Milton (and I’m not saying this from a distance; my own town was hit by Helene) are going to be the decisive factor here.
Back when America was a vibrant, rapidly growing country with a semblance of good government, we shrugged off much worse disasters – things like the San Francisco Earthquake, which the author even mentions, or the 1900 Galveston hurricane which killed about 10,000 people, way more than all the extreme weather events since the turn of the century combined.
If AGW is making hurricanes more dangerous (which is very debatable) then satellite-based forecasts have already made them less dangerous by a bigger amount.
If the American Empire continues to decline over the next few decades, it will (1) decline slowly, and (2) decline mostly as a result of weak political leadership and NIMBYism, with weather playing only a marginal role.
But I’ve written about these themes before:
https://twilightpatriot.substack.com/p/honorius-and-the-slowness-of-decline
https://twilightpatriot.substack.com/p/the-democrats-lovehate-relationship
Certainly the Gleissburg Solar Dust Cycle due in 2025. Perhaps it will temper hubris and make people return to fundamentals in all senses. We have been living in our heads for far too long.
Unherd. Come on. There is exactly ZERO data supporting the hypothesis that climate change (AGW) is causing an increase in the frequency and intensity of weather events. How could the author write the article without acknowledging this fact? It makes him sound like an activist in his second year at a state university.
The report that’s linked is actually really poor. I will pull it apart because it is that awful I now feel I have no choice. Especially if this is the type of data they are basing the climate change theory on. The quotes are pulled from the linked report in the article and the comment above:
‘There were 28 weather and climate disasters in 2023, surpassing the previous record of 22 in 2020, tallying a price tag of at least $92.9 billion’
‘Adding the 2023 events to the record that began in 1980, the U.S. has sustained 376 weather and climate disasters with the overall damage costs reaching or exceeding $1 billion. The cumulative cost for these 376 events exceeds $2.660 trillion.’
So first of all, the records only start in 1980, that they are basing their conclusions on.
Note the language ‘at least 92.9 billlion’ – this means this an estimate not a solid figure, there is no reference as to how this has been calculated. Then only when you note the title of the graph:
‘The history of billion-dollar disasters in the United States each year from 1980 to 2023, showing event type (colors), frequency (left-hand vertical axis), and cost (right-hand vertical axis.) The number and cost of weather and climate disasters is rising due to a combination of population growth and development along with the influence of human-caused climate change on some type of extreme events that lead to billion-dollar disasters. NOAA NCEI’
So the report is very misleading if you read the graph properly, making you think the increases are due to climate change but:
– They are attributing the cost increase to MORE THAN JUST CLIMATE CHANGE – ‘due to a combination of population growth and development along with the influence of human-caused climate change’
So I would question how these costs have been calculated – if it is a combination of those things that have increased costs, it isn’t just climate change that they costed in, and there is no separation of the figures so it isn’t clear how much population growth or further development has increased costs and what proportion of the cost is actually because of climate change.
The next graph also only starts in 1980 and again is based on estimated figures:
‘Month-by-month accumulation of estimated costs of each year’s billion-dollar disasters, with colored lines showing 2023 (red) and the previous top-10 costliest years.’
If you go through it, it’s really not a very scientific report, it’s full of hyperbole too’ billion dollar disaster’ features frequently, cost increases are highlighted but it isn’t made clear until you check out the graphs the cost increases are due to a number of factors, not just climate change. There is no reference as to how all their cost estimates have been calculated.
Good work there. It’s often my experience in following links in Unherd articles (not just them) that they’re often very shallow or just another article that then has its own references and on it goes.
It’s not really the case here, beleive it or not that is from a government website:
NOAA Climate Program Office/Office of Oceanic and Atmospheric Research
About:
‘Americans’ health, security, and economic well-being are closely linked to climate and weather. People are looking for information to help them understand climate and make decisions on how to manage climate-related risks and opportunities. To meet this need, NOAA Climate.gov provides timely and authoritative scientific data and information about climate science, adaptation, and mitigation.
Our goals are to promote public understanding of climate science and climate-related events, to make NOAA data products and services easy to access and use, to provide climate-related support to the private sector and the Nation’s economy, and to serve people making climate-related decisions with tools and resources that help them answer specific questions. In short, NOAA Climate.gov’s mission is to provide science and information for a climate-smart nation.’
So rather worryingly, they are advising all sorts of people on all kinds of things, at government level.
The home page is just as bad. Most of the graphs the data has been collected from the 1960s onwards, the earliest data they have, for one graph is from 1880. So they are showing only a very short time period really, I think that’s a bit poor given the enormity of the subject.
And since stuff costs more, and fixing stuff costs more, the same actual damage will lead to far higher costs as years go by.
This article is like saying climate change is causing the prices of football players to rise exponentially, and will soon lead to a collapse of the sport, since the most expensive transfers in history have all happened in the last few years.
Nicely done
Good stuff. Climate hysterics are counting on people not digging deeper into the numbers.
You are wildly wrong. Seems to be that many of you folks have biasses so deep and engrained that no evidence of any kind can shift it.
NOAA themselves say there are no long term trends in either the frequency of US hurricanes, or their severity,.
But you obviously know better!
Can you find the information then, since you are the non biased one apparently, that tells us what proportion of the costs in that report are attributed to climate change alone, and not to a combination of population increase, additional development and climate change. Because in that report those costs are for the combination, not for climate change alone. Do you disagree that the report is misleading in that respect?
Did anyone else read the headline and just laugh?
Are we serious right now?
Now the weather can melt down the entire western financial system too?
I think we need to rethink the stability of our system.
I’m not sure there are words.
At least Ms Yellen Debtfire can take a holiday.
I think we need to rethink the stability of our system.
Or our minds.
Probably both.
There is only so long before sceptics realise what is looming upon humanity.
This is just one facet of the impacts of climate change. Drought, floods, crop failures, mass migration and civil unrest – that is the face of the problem over the next 50 years.
Dealing with the issue is going to be very expensive and take generations, that has been established. Ignoring or denying it will be far worse however.
The problem, Robbie, is that you, like the author, are confused about where your opinion ends and the facts begin. There is no data to support the claim that there is an increase in extreme weather events or that human co2 emissions are causing them. I’m sorry to be the one to break it to you but it was going to happen eventually.
There’s no confusion SJ. There are dozens of reports detailing how these storms are being made more powerful by climate change impacts. I doubt if you and the others are subscribers to New Scientist but there are many other sources if you take off your tin foil hats.
div > p:nth-of-type(2) > a”>https://www.newscientist.com/article/2451207-extreme-hurricane-season-is-here-and-it-is-fuelled-by-climate-change/
That’s paywalled. I don’t need dozens, I only need one. Please link one study that proves a link between human co2 emissions and the frequency and intensity of storms. When you’ve succeeded in this effort (you won’t, one doesn’t exist) then I’ll happily hand you a $100 bill and kiss your bare a**.
Pucker up baby, I’m clenching.
div > p:nth-of-type(2) > a”>https://www.worldweatherattribution.org/climate-change-key-driver-of-catastrophic-impacts-of-hurricane-helene-that-devastated-both-coastal-and-inland-communities/
To study these storms they have used computer models:
‘The IRIS model was used to investigate Helene’s strong winds by analysing storms making landfall within 2 degrees of Helene. By statistically modelling storms in a 1.3°C cooler climate, this model showed that climate change was responsible for an increase of about 150% in the number of such storms (now once every 53 years on average, up from every 130 years), and equivalently that the maximum wind speeds of similar storms are now about 6.1 m/s (around 11%) more intense.’
So they have concluded that if it was 1.3degrees cooler the storms would be less frequent. Was the climate consistently 1.3degrees cooler before climate change started? Where does the 1.3 degrees come from? As in from what year are they saying we have experienced an increase of 1.3degrees from? I can’t actually find that information in the link. I’m not saying it’s wrong, just it seems a stiff model, that information would make a difference.
Weather attribution models have been widely debunked as merely headline seekers.
Real world data does not support them
Robbie. What you read as data proving a link between human co2 emissions and the amount of rainfall in hurricane Helene is, like your comments, yet more confirmation of the absence of data. It is, to be more generous, the repetition of a hypothesis as if it were already proved. But it hasn’t been proved and there is nothing in the piece you shared or in the attached literature that demonstrates a link between human activity and the severity of any storm anywhere ever. Now, it will be nearly impossible for you to recognize this if you consider axiomatic that which is not.
Furthermore, why would you clench for a kiss on the a**? Did you read it wrong?
Dozens of self-referential reports, paid for by people profiting from climate fear, that ignore science, historical data and economics. All tailored to give gullible folks a sense of wisdom.
Let me invert your assertion and ask you how much longer before AGW zealots, like yourself, will acknowledge that there has been nothing significant happening in terms of ‘extreme’ weather events over the past few decades? Even the IPCC’s own data says that!
Censoring sceptics and attributing single weather events to your cause may keep you going a bit longer, but it’s a failed hypothesis. Only the vast juggernaut of financial self interest keeps the myth going- follow the money.
Adam,
The zealots,are predictable.
Robbie, that is incoherent arguing on your part. Reputable studies show that adjusted for inflation, storm damage costs are flat. Historical data shows no trend in strength, frequency or intensity in hurricanes.
You need to expand your sources beyond climate sceptic blogs.
He is referring to peer-reviewed papers
Failed predictions from the past should lead us to be more mindful of the likelihood of claims for the future.
For example, “Water availability will be a serious constraint to achieving the food requirements projected for 2025” was a conclusion of the paper “Water for Food Production: Will there be enough for 2025” – https://www.jstor.org/stable/1313422
Very ‘scientificky’, but now proven quite wrong as we reach 2025. Doomsaying makes for good headlines, but poor predictions, and skepticism is an entirely sensible response to extreme claims. (pdf of the full paper: https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&doi=e85fdba1f2cf197b60ffd6f00fe30192e487d1ae).
This is silly. The increased costs of storms has nothing to do with climate change. Hurricane frequency and intensity are down over the last few decades. The number of deaths is much lower than in the past.
Cost are up because the value of property is up. Florida property values have doubled in the last ten years, and construction costs are way up. Of course insurance claims from storms will be way up.
Came to make this comment myself, instead thumbs up to yours.
Let me add:
2) “Apartment blocks built without adequate air flow on the assumption the air conditioning would always be running would then turn into potential death traps for their more vulnerable residents” So the problem is not the storms per se, which as Arthur G points out have always been with us. The problem is the idiots who built apartment buildings without adequate air flow.
3) “Recurrent supply shortages are driving up prices, especially on food…” – Not at all. Food has never been in more abundant supply, hence why wheat prices are in the toilet. Rising food prices are entirely related to changes in market structure, consumer tastes and upstream regulatory burden.
4) It’s possible to build houses that can withstand storms. Costs more, but it can be done.
Here’s a link to a study published by the Imperial College London demonstrating how climate change has increased the severity of these recent storms.
div > p:nth-of-type(2) > a”>https://spiral.imperial.ac.uk/handle/10044/1/115024
But the study flies in the face of the facts
Again, Hurricane activity is down.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/hurricane-ida-henri-climate-change-united-nations-un-galsgow-conference-natural-disaster-infrastructure-carbon-emissions-11630704844
Meaningless Weather Attribution studies, which are based on computer models. Real world data does not support their claims
They were good on Covid too, as I recall.
Unfortunately, since 2020 and the faulty computer models produced by Imperial that were bizarrely aloud to strongly influence government policy, I have found myself unable to trust “studies” and projection produced by Imperial.
Unlike California, Florida consistently maintains a budget surplus. The Gulf of Mexico has, is and will continue to be a hurricane laboratory because of warm water conditions.
But rich people will continue to build there and get private insurance because rich people want coastal property. Since rich people will be there, stores and restaurants will continue to be there and they will continue rebuild in more “sustainable ways.” Insurance premiums were too low for too long but its a self-correcting problem once premiums are raised.
I’m sure places like Florida would be perfectly fine with the Federal Government decoupling its “interconnected” finances with the State.