X Close

In defence of the Little Englander We can track his evolution through football

'The stain of “Little Englandism” is now as toxic in football as it is in most other aspects of middle class life.' (Photo by Robert Cianflone/Getty Images)

'The stain of “Little Englandism” is now as toxic in football as it is in most other aspects of middle class life.' (Photo by Robert Cianflone/Getty Images)


October 20, 2024   7 mins

This was the week a German became the manager of England — or as the Daily Mail put it, a GERMAN. And it was a week of “debate” about the reaction to having a German in charge. “Anyone watching this press conference with Thomas Tuchel who still thinks we should have ‘gone English’ with our new manager is living in Cloud ‘Little Englander’ Cuckoo Land,” ventured Piers Morgan on X, capturing the view of the centrist masses: bien pensant populism for the podcast era.

Many others piled in. “My mother was born in Nazi Germany and had to flee for her life,” wrote David Baddiel. “I’m OK with it. So fuck off.” Much was aimed at the Daily Mail. One comment which captured the spirit of anti-Daily Mailers simply said: “Ha ha ha ha!.. I’m loving this appointment, if only for how much it triggers the little englander gammons.” A Labour councillor had the same thought: “It’s exactly the kind of pathetic Little Englander comment expected from the Mail.”

The reaction to Tuchel’s appointment certainly reveals much about Britain today. One obvious conclusion is that to be a “Little Englander” remains the ultimate faux pas in polite society, universally understood as a bad thing combining all that is wrong and embarrassing about our country: small-minded, parochial, uncouth and, well, embarrassing.

“To be a ‘little Englander’ remains the ultimate faux pas in polite society.”

Rather than being a distinctive set of views, Little Englandism is more of a sensibility marking out the stupid in the eyes of their betters. See, for instance, how the former Sun editor turned anti-Brexit commentator, David Yelland, described the recent brouhaha about Taylor Swift’s security as “utterly ridiculous, Little Englander, pathetic and damaging to the reputation of the country”. What will the neighbours think remains the most powerful instinct in English life and a core tenet of anti-Little Englandism. A large dose of the shame many felt, and feel, about Brexit is reputational.

To admit to being in any way uncomfortable with Tuchel’s appointment is, then, to reveal a characteristic that automatically makes you suspect, perhaps even a little conservative — or worst of all, Brexity. The historian Linda Colley has described Little Englandism as the reaction to the loss of Empire, or “the other side of unparalleled imperial dominion”, as she put it: “A cleaving to the small and the relatively known in the face of alarm or fatigue or disgust at the prospect of the very large and very strange.”

“Cleaving to the known” is not a respectable look any more. What is prized is a sense of well-travelled ease and gentle sophistication: to understand what everything means on the menu and to abhor the kind of English nationalism that is the preserve of the “skinheads, lager louts, and soccer hooligans”, as the New Yorker put it in an essay on Brexit. This was the essential analysis of the Irish historian Fintan O’Toole, too, who believed such Little Englandism had been largely suppressed “until David Cameron blithely gave it a vast stage in June 2016”.

But it did not always carry this connotation. It was originally adopted in the late 19th century to criticise those who opposed the British empire. The term was adopted by Britain’s most enthusiastic imperialists whose poet and prophet was Rudyard Kipling, and who had used his “Recessional”, first printed in the Times in 1897, to warn Britain that it must take up imperial duties, lest:

If drunk with the sight of power, we loose
Wild tongues that have not Thee in awe,
Such boastings as the Gentiles use,
Or lesser breeds without the Law.

As J.B. Priestley wrote in The Edwardians, not everyone shared that view. “I remain a ‘Little Englander’,” he wrote, irrespective of the label, “believing that no people are good enough to rule other people thousands of miles away.” But this understanding of Little Englandism has almost entirely vanished.

It was during post-war Britain that it changed subtly from meaning small-minded socialist opposition to empire, to small-minded socialist opposition to Europe. In the parliamentary debates over the Schuman declaration of 1950 — proposing a new supranational entity called the European Coal and Steel Community, the precursor to today’s EU — Winston Churchill was mocked from the Labour benches for his “champagne” continentalism, which was contrasted with their “honest draft” of British socialism that they represented. At the time, most Conservative Eurosceptics were “empire loyalists” who could not be defined as Little Englanders because they were concerned primarily with maintaining British power overseas.

As the winds of change blew through the British empire, the instinct to attack Little Englanders passed from the old imperialists to the new pro-Europeans who saw the EEC as a vehicle to protect British influence in the world. Just as Colley identified Little Englandism as “the other side of unparalleled imperial dominion”, so too is British pro-Europeanism.

For Ted Heath, the first — and last — genuinely federalist prime minister to hold office, Europe was always the means to make Britain great again. From the beginning, then, the animating spirit of Britain’s pro-European movement has been tied up with a desire for greatness — or at least relevance. A good example of this tendency came in an interview with the former head of the Secret Intelligence Service, Alex Younger, who described how he came back from a recent trip around Europe “profoundly depressed… nobody mentions the UK”.

Worse even than the neighbours sniggering at us, then, is the neighbours forgetting that we’re here. Do the Little Englanders not understand this? “What should they know of England who only England know?” Kipling asked. Priestley’s response was simple enough: “A great deal Imperialism chose to ignore.” “While it was busy painting so much of the world map a bright red, hundreds of thousands of houses down England’s mean streets could have done with a lick of paint.” It is an argument that has never really changed.

What is so striking about the evolution of the idea of Little Englandism in post-war Britain is that it managed to retain its negative connotation while completely changing who it applied to. And as with the reaction to Tuchel, it is possible to catch glimpses of this evolution through football.

As Dominic Sandbrook points out in his account of the early Seventies, State of Emergency, when Heath signed the Treaty of Accession taking Britain into the EEC, the Labour leader, Harold Wilson, chose to display his patriotic disinterest by not only staying in Britain to avoid giving his blessing, but going to a football match. He was an ordinary Englishmen.

Attempting to counteract this, Heath tried to sell Britain’s entry into Europe by staging an international friendly football match at Wembley in which a combined eleven from the six original EEC members took on a team from Britain, Denmark and Ireland, the bloc’s three new members. Pat Jennings, Bobby Charlton, Johnny Giles and Peter Lorimer turned out for the “Three”, while Dino Zoff, Franz Beckenbauer, Ruud Krol and Johan Neeskens played for the “Six”. Yet the public reacted with a notable lack of interest, with only 36,000 turning up for the occasion.

Back in the Seventies, English football was far more parochial, with almost all the managers and players either English, British or Irish. Ironically, however, this was also the time of English dominance in Europe. In the 12 years between British entry into the EEC, in 1973, and the Heysel stadium disaster of 1985, after which all English teams were banned from European competition, English club sides reached the final of the European Cup nine times and won the competition seven times — including six times in a row between 1977 and 1982. For all the financial dominion of the Premier League today, and its access to the best foreign talent and managers, it has never come close to the success it knew when it was run by the Little England gammons of old.

Curiously, English football has almost entirely managed to swerve the Little Englandism stigma that has attached itself to other mass entertainments. In fact, so successfully has football adapted to the post-war growth of the educated middle class, that to be a fan today still offers the kind of everyman credibility that it did for Wilson in the Seventies, without any hint of disreputability that might come from, say, a visit to a UFC fight. Today, the Prime Minister is expected to understand and comment about football and even welcome the appointment of the new England manager.

Just as Britain is much more middle class than it was, so too is football. Our pundits are expected to adhere to the social expectations of its fans, avoiding any hint of parochial backwardness. A host of football podcasts now describe the sophistication and quality of continental football, mocking the provincialism of pundits such as Richard Keys and Andy Gray who dominated in the Nineties before being sacked for “prehistoric banter”. Today, the pair are the highly paid frontmen of the Qatar-based BeIN Sports where they talk about the English game with what today’s generation see as similarly prehistoric views. The stain of “Little Englandism” is now as toxic in football as it is in most other aspects of middle-class life. To be critical of Thomas Tuchel’s appointment is to emit a whiff of that small-minded parochialism.

Such instincts are not new. Even George Orwell, who admired what he saw as the gentle patriotism of the English, remarked upon the “insularity” of his countrymen and their “refusal to take foreigners seriously”. Perhaps this was true in the Forties, but it’s hard to argue that today despite the reaction of some former players and pundits to Tuchel’s appointment.

There is not another football league in the world which is as global in its reach or talent as the Premier League. Where there were hardly any foreign managers in the league in the Seventies, today 80% of Premier League managers are foreign. In fact, since the Premier League’s inception in 1992, not a single English manager has guided a team to the league. Tuchel is the third foreign manager to take on the England job after Sven Goren Erikson and Fabio Capello, neither of whom did as well as Gareth Southgate.

In contrast, not one of Italy, Spain, France, Germany, Brazil or Argentina have appointed a foreign manager to take on their national team. For all the knee-jerk reaction to the Little Englander gammons who criticised the appointment of a GERMAN, English football, much like its economy, is not marked by its insularity but the opposite — its distinctive openness. While the French rule yoghurt manufacturers to be of strategic national interest unable to be bought by overseas investors, we let the French build our core energy infrastructure. The irony of the Little England charge, in other words, is that the real marker of European sophistication would be to be less open to the world — and less English.

The appointment of Thomas Tuchel, then, is not a departure in any sense, but another example of globalised England. We don’t just get the Germans to manage our football team, we have the French running our power stations, the Emirates running our ports and the Chinese buying up pretty much anything they want — provided the Americans don’t notice. George Osborne got a Canadian to run Britain’s monetary policy and wanted an American to head up the police. Perhaps we should put the premiership and Treasury out to tender too. We know what the neighbours think, they are right here. Those complaining about Little Englanders holding the country back have not been paying attention. Little England died a long time ago.


Tom McTague is UnHerd’s Political Editor. He is the author of Betting The House: The Inside Story of the 2017 Election.

TomMcTague

Join the discussion


Join like minded readers that support our journalism by becoming a paid subscriber


To join the discussion in the comments, become a paid subscriber.

Join like minded readers that support our journalism, read unlimited articles and enjoy other subscriber-only benefits.

Subscribe
Subscribe
Notify of
guest

79 Comments
Most Voted
Newest Oldest
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
Caradog Wiliams
Caradog Wiliams
1 month ago

What a fuss over nothing. Football is the true international sport which helps to cement nations of the world together. In the Premiership, many top teams start games without any English/British player. Most top managers are European and one is from Australia.
Even the much-vilified fans recognise that the team they follow every week is multi-national. Yesterday I watched a long interview with Paul Pogba – French, ex-Manchester United – and it seemed absolutely normal (except for being dazzled by his various earrings).

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
1 month ago

Not sure what the point of international competition is if anyone can play for any team. Let’s just scrap the whole tedious business.

Lancashire Lad
Lancashire Lad
1 month ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

It’s all just about money now, at the top end of the game at least.

Meanwhile, lower league and grass roots football continues to thrive, despite the top teams sucking all the resources out of those ‘below’ them. A reset is certainly needed.

When Celtic won the European Cup – as true champions, not today’s “Champions League” nonsense – in 1966, they did so with a team comprised of players born within a 50-mile radius of Celtic Park. It’ll never be repeated.

j watson
j watson
1 month ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

Another Vote winner of an idea HB, chapeau.
Folks our age do have to fight the tendency to become a proper grumpy old man.

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
1 month ago
Reply to  j watson

I’m not your age, JW. It’s no use trying to brand me as the mirror image walking cliche to you. I work for a living.

Dennis Roberts
Dennis Roberts
1 month ago
Reply to  j watson

He does have a point though. People support their country, or club, because they feel some sort of affinity to it. If that goes, and it largely already has in club football, it just becomes a product. And whilst people might be buying that product in large amounts now, fashions can change quickly and that product will have little to fall back on if that happens.

j watson
j watson
1 month ago

And the reason why the Author drew attention to the mirror that football reflects back is it is entirely normal now. Which is why the Little Englander racial reflex type is a dying breed.
Rightly or wrongly Premier League one of our biggest exports with Billions in revenue generated. And grounds 98% filled, so not as if us locals rejecting the concept.

Steven Carr
Steven Carr
1 month ago
Reply to  j watson

Premier League grounds are hardly filled with Asians. Perhaps they are the Little Englanders, rejecting all the foreign imports.

Chris Amies
Chris Amies
1 month ago
Reply to  Steven Carr

Aren’t they fonder of cricket though? (just generalising here).

Peter B
Peter B
1 month ago
Reply to  j watson

I think you’re confusing race with culture (when you say “racial reflex”).

Bum Bumington
Bum Bumington
1 month ago

The sad fact is when you really drill down into it the only thing liberals and metropolitans believe in is their own destruction. Chesterton put it best: “Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions”. They disdain their ethnic, cultural and historical inheritance, hate their working class inferiors, and don’t actually believe in anything other than maintaining a sense of smug superiority. God forgive us.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
1 month ago
Reply to  Bum Bumington

You seem to have the heart and minds of your enemies sized up quite well. May God have mercy on us all.

“Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel” —Samuel Johnson (in his Dictionary definition!)

Another memorable line from another honorable conservative. Like your quote it’s a clever, partial truth.

Caroline Galwey
Caroline Galwey
1 month ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

Like so many bien-pensants you think you make a killer point by quoting out of context. The force of Samuel Johnson’s ‘Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel’ is that in his time, patriotism was a universally accepted value. To profess it would make people think better of you, so a scoundrel could use it as cover for his scoundreliness. None of today’s bien-pensants thinks well of a patriot, quite the opposite. Nowadays we would have to adapt Johnson’s dictum. How about ‘Internationalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel’?

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
1 month ago

Like most who prefer to label and dismiss people they disagree with—or find presumptive disagreement with—you make ill-founded assumptions about me and my views.

I think patriotism is no vice in and of itself, and is often noble. I consider myself to be some version of an American patriot, here on my side of the Atlantic. I tend to be far more suspicious of nationalism, though there may be seasons in which it’s appropriate, depending on how it’s defined.

I don’t pretend to understand the football fan particulars nor the Little Englander perspective on a local or in-depth level.

But I do have some context on Samuel Johnson, from a long admiration that began with reading Boswell as a teenager and was enhanced by a 12-volume set of his complete works I bought a few years ago. Not saying I’ve read every page, but a lot of them.

As you know, he was a confirmed Tory and devoted Christian. But he was not locked in to those categories and was quite aware of his own shortcomings, if somewhat too quick to find fault with others. He could be very forgiving of those he felt had wronged him too. I was being sincere when I called him, and GK Chesterton, honourable conservatives.*

I’m culturally conservative in certain ways myself and while I might fit into your basket of contemptibles in certain ways I really don’t think I’m quite narrow or predictable enough to deserve getting thrown into it. Then again, who WOULD think they deserved that? Not as members of broad categories, but real-world people.

*My initial intended point was that both quotes are more quip than truth—and, as you say, ripped from context.

“The devil can cite scripture for his purpose” —Shakespeare

Caroline Galwey
Caroline Galwey
1 month ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

Thank you for taking the time to explain your position and I apologise for jumping to the wrong conclusion. Unfortunately I’ve recently heard far too many of – what to call them? The herd of independent minds? The clerisy? The dominant strain of thinkers? The bien-pensants? – anyway, those who smugly think their own views the only conceivably right ones and certainly the only ones that are socially acceptable … I’ve heard so many of them quote that line from Johnson as if it equated to saying ‘patriotism is scoundrelly’, or ‘all patriots are scoundrels’, and therefore ‘plebs need no longer expect protection from a nation state’, that it has become a red rag to a bull. If you really think conservatives can be honourable, why be so quick to make a facile point against them? They are not in a position to throw anyone in any basket of deplorables. They are beleaguered, marginalised and all but powerless – I mean real conservatives, not vulgar monopoly-capitalist opportunists like Trump and most of our British Tories. Being able to vent our feelings on the odd forum like Unherd doesn’t amount to much, although it can be soothing.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
1 month ago

Thank you very much for your civil follow-up. I understand where you’re coming from better now, and I’m in sympathy with much of what you say.
I apologize for my gratuitous responses below. Not sure what they’re worth either, but I’d like a refund!
*Bravo on ‘the herd of independent minds’! I call some of the same people ‘off-the-rack rebels’.

Caroline Galwey
Caroline Galwey
1 month ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

Shake!

Patrick Doyle
Patrick Doyle
1 month ago

Civil discourse online?
Pinch me!

Martin Terrell
Martin Terrell
30 days ago

Enjoyed the civilized discussion!

Steve Houseman
Steve Houseman
1 month ago

We’ll said love it!

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
1 month ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

Antonio, a Christian character in The Merchant of Venice, says that about a Jew who is trying to legally kill him. It’s always dangerous to quote characters out of context. In his plays, ‘Shakespeare’ never really said anything.

(I bought a book once too.)

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
30 days ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

I agree, based partly on a book or two I had read to me while I was being spoon fed and looking at pictures on the wall. Fair turnabout on my de-contextualized quote though.

Nevertheless, I think that particular quote has independent resonance, like the “hath not a Jew…” speech of Shylock. And some of Shakespeare’s views can be gleaned—if not with any certainty—from his plays. (Especially in watching performances of them, the intended mode of “consumption”). Also, he speaks rather more in his own voice in the Sonnets. A couple of (admittedly non-groundbreaking) claims: 1) He valued courage within one’s social orbit, not social disorder or defiance for its own sake 2) He had a particular dislike for ingratitude and humorlessness, which Jacques (“As You Like It”) is redeemed from when he encounters Touchstone the clown.

Ned Costello
Ned Costello
1 month ago

Actually, I would say it’s probability the first.

Steve Crowther
Steve Crowther
1 month ago

The quote ‘Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel’ suffers from its grammar, because it fails to draw attention to the capital P on Patriotism. The Patriot Party existed from 1725 to 1803 as a Whig splinter group opposed to Walpole. Johnson also said: ‘A patriot is he whose publick conduct is regulated by one single motive, the love of his country; who, as an agent in parliament, has, for himself, neither hope nor fear, neither kindness nor resentment, but refers every thing to the common interest’, which is hardly a condemnation.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 month ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

I thought he said “Socialism is the last refuge of a scoundrel”

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
1 month ago

That’d be a convenient switcherooo!

One of his most pointed barbs was aimed at America: “How is it that we hear the loudest yelps for liberty among the drivers of negroes?”

He sounds more like an abolitionist or someone who was “proto-woke” there. Most people, especially brilliant ones like Johnson—and me and you of course ;)—aren’t well captured by labels like Conservative, Liberal, or Socialist. Or even by a combination of labels.

Adam McIntyre
Adam McIntyre
26 days ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

“Yelps for liberty among the drivers of negroes” is only incoherent to those who believe, without evidence, that the relationship of slavery is inherently wrong.
Afaik no one has been able to show why, if slavery is “inherently wrong,” the apostle Paul sent a runaway slave back to his master, and Jesus Christ himself, who condemned many social practices common in his time, never said a word against it.
The reason no one can show why is because Jesus was not a Universalist. The “equality of men” invented in the Enlightenment is not something that Jesus, nor the sensible Romans and other societies of His time, would have had any truck with. Today’s ideologues may as well quote St. Paul’s “there is neither man nor woman, but we are all equal in Christ Jesus” to promote transgender ideology. This would be about as coherent as condemning slavery and claiming biblical support — which is the only reasoning that gives Johnson’s quip any sense.

Charles Hedges
Charles Hedges
30 days ago
Reply to  Bum Bumington

Tolerance and niceness without the toughness to win a fight is just a mask for weakness.

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
1 month ago

“”I’m a talentless sleb who’s on the BBC a lot and also a VICTIM – so my opinion is worth much more than yours and you can f*k off'” wrote professional whinger David Baddiel with his usual mixture of gross arrogance and tedious self-pity.

Anna Bramwell
Anna Bramwell
1 month ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

I loved that arrogant response, tho I think you have somewhat reworded it.

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
1 month ago
Reply to  Anna Bramwell

I’m just telling you what he really thinks.

Anna Bramwell
Anna Bramwell
1 month ago

Thanks for mentioning the anti imperialism nationalism which flowered between c 1880 and 1914. EM Forster in Howard’s End is the best known example.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 month ago
Reply to  Anna Bramwell

Was it you who recently pointed out to me Howard’s End’s status as an emanation of Fabian proto-wokism?

Francis Turner
Francis Turner
1 month ago

Every day I thank God I’m not German, and that I never have to visit the place… as for Ted Heath… who, rumour has it didnt buy buoys for his yacht, but rented them, any admirer of this odious king of Kent lower middle class ascendancy has opinions that I cannot take seriously.

Francis Turner
Francis Turner
1 month ago

and how many English managers of German clubs?…..

Dennis Roberts
Dennis Roberts
1 month ago
Reply to  Francis Turner

It’s unfortunate for English (and British) managers that the Premier League is so successful, as it attracts the top talent from all over the world and it’s hard to get a look in, and almost impossible to work your way up.

Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
1 month ago

“what will the neighbours think” is downstream of the feminisation of our politics.

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
1 month ago
Reply to  Gary Taylor

The neighbours will always think what they’ve been told to think or what they think they ought to think.

Jon Hawksley
Jon Hawksley
1 month ago

The little Englanders need to speak up for subscribing to the core British values of considerateness, honesty and running an orderly ship with a balance between taking and giving. They need to distance themselves from hooligans and misplaced arrogance. There is little point in patriotism if your fellow patriots keep letting the side down.

Peter B
Peter B
1 month ago
Reply to  Jon Hawksley

But what if a bit of hooliganism and misplaced arrogance are – as I suspect – an embedded, long-established part of English culture ? No national culture is either perfect, or perfectible. We don’t make demands on the French that they fixed their perceived arrogance (hard to judge impartially as an Englishman, but I’ve always felt they had us beat on this score). Why do this to ourselves ?

Rob N
Rob N
1 month ago

If we just focus on the football then surely we would expect our national team’s footballers to be English (and ideally fully English rather than just been living here for a few years etc). The manager is also a (critical) part of the team and so why would we not expect him (or possibly her) to be English as well.

Dennis Roberts
Dennis Roberts
1 month ago
Reply to  Rob N

I assume that not requiring the manager/coach to be the same nationality as the team goes back to when the first internationals were played, when it wasn’t considered an important role. They were just someone (or some people) that picked what they thought were the best players to represent that country.

tom j
tom j
1 month ago
Reply to  Rob N

I think the point is better made with the reductio ad absurdum: why should the England football team need to have English players? Isn’t that a bit racist?

jim peden
jim peden
1 month ago
Reply to  tom j

Yes, the problem with ‘absurdum’ nowadays is that it’s becoming a synonym for ‘normal’.

Charles Hedges
Charles Hedges
30 days ago
Reply to  Rob N

What it does show is the lack of ability of footballers to becomer managers. I would suggest that overall there is a lack of English managers in most sports who can win at the highst level in the professional game, Sir Clive Woodward being the exception. Sir Clive spent five years working in Australia so became aware of the higher standards of trainining in that country.
The issue is Britain has been that schools were responsible for training pupils up to the age of sixteen years and then they played for local clubs. In most countries schools do not play sport but even the smallest town has clubs. Once after 1965, competitive sports was removed from comprehensive schools only the grammar and public schools produced high standards. Britain has many large spaced out cities and towns so getting to the sports clubs can be a problem. Australia, South Africa and New Zealand have many private schools and a population much keener on sports. The left wing middle class who dominate the Ministry of Education, education departments at universities and comprehensives tend not to be tough and are against competitive sports. It is difficult to think of left wing bien pensant who has played rugby or boxed.
A major reason for the success of South Africa is the very high standards of schools rugby.
div > p:nth-of-type(4) > a”>School Rugby In South Africa Is INSANE https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/15.0.3/svg/1f525.svg
England plays a wide variety of sports so the there is competition between sports for the most athletic.
Football is by far the majority sport in Argentina, Brazil, Germany, Italy, Holland, France, Spain, Mexico.

j watson
j watson
1 month ago

Football can change attitudes. Much like popular music.
Anyone my age will remember the racism that seeped out of so many pores at matches with abuse hurled at players from different ethnicities in the 70s and 80s. That of course was coupled with hooliganism, violence and thuggery. It was pretty horrid. Go now and it’s transformed and we can be proud of that. Still much wrong with the national game but some things are a million miles better, including what the make up of our national team tells us about how we have evolved and will continue to evolve.
Anyone looking back with rose tinted specs screening out of lot we can be glad we’ve left behind.

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
1 month ago
Reply to  j watson

Come now, JW. You’ve never been to a football match in your life – unless it was Surbiton fc.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 month ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

Come now Hugh, be fair. I’m sure that like anyone else from Surrey he will have supported Man Utd for many years before finally and with nary a backwood look transferring his allegiance to Man City.

j watson
j watson
29 days ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

Just caught up this slander. What an outrage! Surrey, jeez it’ll supporting Chelsea next. No been the Arsenal since ingrained by Father. Went a good bit with him before couple of decades in RN when it’s not so easy. Now have a season ticket and as my greatest luxury good, although miss getting soaked on the North Bank.
Would have thought you clowns would have worked out I was going to be somewhere Islington-ish

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
28 days ago
Reply to  j watson

Ok, so you don’t live in Sorry, and you support Buttocknal.

Steven Carr
Steven Carr
1 month ago
Reply to  j watson

Mr. Watson is correct. One meets quite a different class of person at Premier League grounds today.

Peter B
Peter B
1 month ago
Reply to  j watson

Actually, it isn’t entirely transformed. Though I agree it’s certainly safer.
Last time I went to a match (in “League one”, but the third division for us old school types) there was incessant swearing in the chants – far worse than I remember from being taken to football matches as a child. Sadly unrelieved by any imagination or humour. Calling it vulgar and boorish would be generous. And that was just our own fans (I couldn’t hear the opposition ones).
Culture doesn’t change quickly. Nor can it be “perfected” as some of the left seem to believe.

Caroline Galwey
Caroline Galwey
1 month ago

Very good column. The bien-pensant classes’ ‘Little Englander’ gibing is totally uninformed and motivated by a very little-English social insecurity: ‘what will the neighbours think?’ puts it perfectly. Alas, I fear they have almost completed their work of destruction, as the final paragraph suggests.

Dennis Roberts
Dennis Roberts
1 month ago

Pendulums swing back and forth, and you can take comfort knowing that the intolerant bien pensant won’t see the back swing coming.

Caroline Galwey
Caroline Galwey
1 month ago

The original Little Englander, or ‘gammon’, is portrayed in this vignette in Joan and Peter by H.G. Wells, published 1918:

‘A little stout man driving a pony-trap caught his attention. It was a smart new pony-trap, and there was a look of new clothes about its driver; he smoked a cigar that stuck upward from the corner of his mouth, and in his button-hole was a red chrysanthemum; his whole bearing suggested absolute contentment with himself and acquiescence in the universe; he handled his reins and drew his whip across the flanks of his shining cob as delicately as if he was fly-fishing. “What does he think he is up to?” asked Oswald. …“The Empire doesn’t worry him,” said Oswald.’

Extraordinary, the way our so-called intellectuals nowadays attribute Imperial nostalgia to the social classes who literally never cared about the Empire, or got much out of it – and they can’t see that in their wish to look well on a world stage, to ‘lead the way’ on moral crusades like carbon emissions, they are the true heirs to the imperialists of 1900.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
1 month ago

Of course you totally escape labels like ‘intellectual’, ‘bien pensant’, and ‘imperialist’. Right? Unless you get to curate every definition. Or perhaps I’m being a little unfair toward or even intolerant of you?

Caroline Galwey
Caroline Galwey
1 month ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

Eh? This is a comments forum. I have to make my point briefly, rather than explain at full length what I mean by a bien pensant, a so-called intellectual, or an imperialist. If you had lived in Britain for the last eight years, I think you would know what I am talking about. If you can raise any objections to the substance of what I’m saying, I’ll listen to you.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
1 month ago

Nah, I don’t. I was just irritated with your initial reply to me***, and in effect responded to you as unfairly as I felt you had to me. Also, my own tone was combative and snide in the first instance, so your pushback was not out of nowhere.
I don’t know much about the cultural context or precise connotations of those terms in present-day Britain* but I get a sizable portion of the gist. Fair enough and have a good remainder of the weekend.
*So I probably shouldn’t have chimed in on this comment board. However, I do pay my fees and I like to comment on weekends. And I rarely let my lack of knowledge stop me from pressing send. **bit harsh on myself there I’d say: it often does stop me.
***to a herd-opposed comment that was voted off the BTL island along with the follow up thread. [too much chatter even for me in these footnotes—see you folks next time]

Caroline Galwey
Caroline Galwey
1 month ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

Thanks Mac, no hard feelings!

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
1 month ago

Likewise.

Martin Terrell
Martin Terrell
30 days ago

Sounds like John Bull, the archetypal Little Englander who wanted to be left in peace and not bossed about by the jolly foreigners (especially the French, the King of Spain and the Pope). The irony is that the new imperialists are still flying all over the world both telling the natives how to behave, encouraging them to come over to provide cheap labour while parading their virtue by apologising for their great grandparents.

mac mahmood
mac mahmood
1 month ago

Little England died, but not the little Englanders. I sympathise with them. They are now a rabble without a cause and a country.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 month ago

From the Sonnets. Mostly Bristolian.
**********
Sonnet 132
As hierophants before the ark, enrapt,
we’re gazing up at corner-mounted screen,
whereon the scarlet Scousers have just crapped
all over Spurs. The turf’s psychotic green.
Here Africans, clothed by their borrowed tribes,
rushed forth and chased the sphere of bladdered gas,
and now from plastic bottles do imbibe
electrolytes. The interview is crass,
posing again the same banality.
I see the eyes roll back inside the head,
not even the pretence of listening.
Of mercenaries the best qualities
are seldom strained, and in him are stone dead,
despite the cash spent on him glistening.
**********
Sonnet 125
Rush forth, indentured thug, and wanton kick
the bladdered nitrogen at netted hole.
A millionaire at twenty-two, but thick
as mince, a wonder ’tis that this our soul,
endowed with petulance and lacking spine,
unlettered, juvenile, should have struck gold.
He shrieks, just like an angry toddler, ‘Mine!’
and gods o’erlooking feel suddenly trolled.
When youth unlovely to his folly stoops,
and damsel rather than the ribeye roasts,
yet legion fanbois are his agent’s dupes,
and hacks varnish his vacuous glottal boasts,
still flock the herds on mindless pilgrimage
from Fulham Broadway unto Stamford Bridge.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
1 month ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

Nicely done overall. It’d be funnier to me if your wit and tone were less vicious, but some good lines that are reminiscent of your 17th and 18th century models (with some Classical satire mixed in?).
You have some well-penned insights and incisions, though you scoff a lot and sometimes offend my precious sensibilities. Thanks and have a good weekend.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
28 days ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

Thank you Mac. Scoffing is in the nature of Juvenalian – if perhaps not Horatian – satire, and I wouldn’t be happy if my spleen wasn’t offending someone somewhere.

Anna Clare Bryson
Anna Clare Bryson
1 month ago

Thank you for an excellent piece, Tom. Over the years I’ve got tired of explaining to people that Little Englander has not, historically, meant what they think it does, and that – as so often – conflating the Little Englander label with the nostalgia-for-empire accusation, is particularly historically ignorant. But on the other hand, of course, this conflation has its own historical meaning, which is that for the modern mainstream “progressive” mind, the idea that there might be a distinction between “parochial” and “imperial” English/British attitudes and identities makes no sense whatsoever…

SIMON WOLF
SIMON WOLF
1 month ago

The article misses the point that international football is supposed to be about 1 country v another country which should include both the players and the manager.What the FA is doing is not illegal but it is against the spirit of what international football is supposed to be.In practice the FA is cheating.
It is ironical as the article mentions that Argentina and Italy have never had foreign ministers when decades ago their football culture was regarded as rife with cheating whilst England saw itself as the home of fair play.
In 1966 Sir Alf Ramsey called the Argentinian team ‘ animals’ and in the 1970’s Derby County and Leeds were notorious victims in European Clubs competitions of Italian opponents bribing the referree

Dennis Roberts
Dennis Roberts
1 month ago

To focus on the football, I think Tuchel is a risky appointment. He seems a bit Mourinhoesque in that he brings short term success but then it all seems to go wrong soon after.

Still, it’s only an 18 month contract so maybe that’s perfect.

B Emery
B Emery
1 month ago

“Cleaving to the known” is not a respectable look any more. What is prized is a sense of well-travelled ease and gentle sophistication: to understand what everything means on the menu and to abhor the kind of English nationalism that is the preserve of the “skinheads, lager louts, and soccer hooligans”, as the New Yorker put it in an essay on Brexit.’

Unfortunately, cleaving to the known is not a respectable look, apparently it is more respectable to pretend you understand the big wide world, then f*ck up the country because you thought you did, but actually you don’t, so all those displays of trying to be sophisticated with a menu, or all those pictures you took on your wide travels, mean absolutely nothing.

That type of English nationalism, the type that has an in built, healthy mistrust of the state, that type of English nationalism is absolutely not allowed. The middle classes get twitchy because those type of nationalists are gobby as f*ck. Those English nationalist types might actually say what they think and the state might really not like it. Those types are made up of the white working class, they must pilloried and persecuted for gammonism at every opportunity by their superiors in London, especially if they ever dare to level any criticism at the state, or dare to formulate an opinion.

‘Some animals are more equal than others’ – Orwell.

Peter B
Peter B
1 month ago
Reply to  B Emery

The internationalist mediocrity is just the Dunning-Kruger effect in action. Better for them to be semi-educated about everything than an expert in domestic matters. And equally essential to despise anyone who might understand domestic matters better than they do.
It’s also curious how much less critical they are about other cultures than their own.

Jonathan Andrews
Jonathan Andrews
1 month ago

The school which employs me has a very good rugby team. One time the team was playing a semi final away but this was broadcast at school to about 200 students. Our winger scored a terrific try and the students were elated.
The point is that they were cheering on their mates. This is utterly lost in professional sport. There are sentimental tales of old players getting to the match on the same bus as the fans which are probably over the top yet not so long ago there was a relationship between fan and player. At least they might have come from the same town.
This is not a comment to same that sport offers us less, it’s just different, that’s all fine. However, while much has been gained, things have been lost.
There’s nothing so bad about trying to slow down the abandonment of the past.

Tony Coren
Tony Coren
1 month ago

This fortress built by Nature for herself
Against infection and the hand of war,
This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in the silver sea,
Which serves it in the office of a wall
Or as a moat defensive to a house,
Against the envy of less happier lands,
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England,
Shakespeare “Richard II”

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
1 month ago
Reply to  Tony Coren

Great lines (of course). Will didn’t fear the double comparative neither—get it? a double negative of the colloquial kind—as in “less happier” and “most unkindest cut of all” (Julius Caesar).

Tony Coren
Tony Coren
1 month ago

Little England as defined by the greatest creative artist & master of the high point of the English language

Sean Lothmore
Sean Lothmore
1 month ago

As a sophisticated, well-travelled, globalist I’m well aware that most people in the world are themselves ‘little Sardinians’, ‘little Punjabis’, or little wherever they happen to live. Most people in the world are neither doing identity politics nor watching foreign-language arthouse films, even with subtitles.
Condemning people for their narrowness of international outlook is itself a parochial attitude.

Charles Hedges
Charles Hedges
1 month ago

I suggest reading Orwell’s Notes on Nationalism- Patriotism is the preference for one’s culture without the desire to impose it on others. Nationalism is the belief in the superiority of one’s culture and desire to impose it on others.
The best critiques of the left Wing Bien Pensant are in Orwells essays;_ My country right or left;The lion and the Unicorn;Wells, Hitler and World State; No not one;, Pacifism and the war;Prevention of literature.
Orwell noted very few left wing bien pensants saw combat in WW2 and definately did not volunteer for aircrews, commandos, special forces. Anthony Powell in “Dance to the music of time” ridicules the left wing bien pensant with the character Kenneth Widmerpool- series on You Tube.
Group Capatin Leonard Cheshire VC, OM was described as the Greatest Living Englishman ably supported by Guy Gibson VC and Barnes Wallis FRS.
div > p:nth-of-type(6) > a”>The Great Inventor
div > p:nth-of-type(8) > a”>Victoria Cross Recipient | Leonard Cheshire V.C | World War Two | In Valour | 1985
Perhaps the bien pensants contempt for patriotism removes the need to fight for their country? The British workingman is generally patriotic and provides the the vast mjority of the fighting capability of Britain. Hence they despise each other, the Bien Pensant shown up by their social and in intellectual inferiors as they see it.
Whereas the gentry has always been willing to figth and die for the country. Hence the fighting working man and fighting gentry respect each other.

Christopher Barclay
Christopher Barclay
1 month ago

” … not one of Italy, Spain, France, Germany, Brazil or Argentina have appointed a foreign manager to take on their national team.” In other words the football powers develop their own coaches, while England can’t seem to do so. (Though in Brazil’s case, they would have been better off with a foreign coach or two). This is what the FA is so keen to hide behind the accusations of ‘Little Englander’ – its own failure.

Matt M
Matt M
1 month ago

Happy Trafalgar Day everyone!
Drink a toast tonight “To the eternal Memory of Admiral Lord Nelson and all who fell with him”.

Susie Bell
Susie Bell
29 days ago

Most of us are Little Englanders, Little Germans/Belgians/Italians/Argentinians/Icelanders/Australians etc etc. It is how most of us relate to the World, our counties, our villages. That is because we are humans who like and need to belong to a sub group that supports each other. The Globalists are the misanthropic misfits who have made a virtue of the isolation and friendlessness they have experienced, mainly through ambition and greed and disregard for other humans, that have led them to believe that their sad, reductive view of humanity makes us little more than lab rats. Their need to impose control and revenge on us all is their reason for a disgraceful view of the idiocy of their fellows.
Time to push back against this unlovely, depressing, SciFi fiction of their personality type and take our lives back.