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The cult of castration The law struggles to respond to consensual violence

Ken, the original poster boy for nullos (Picture: Karol Serewis/SOPA Images/LightRocket via Getty Images)

Ken, the original poster boy for nullos (Picture: Karol Serewis/SOPA Images/LightRocket via Getty Images)


March 5, 2024   7 mins

If one man asks another if he can cut off his penis, and that other man agrees, whose place is it to say they can’t go through with it? The UK courts faced just this question in the case of Damien Byrnes, found guilty last month of using a kitchen knife to remove the genitals of Marius Gustavson, who consented to the procedure, and paid Byrnes over £1,500 to do it. Byrnes, a male escort, said his motives were financial (he has been sentenced to 5 years in prison). This is not an isolated incident.

In fact, Gustavson himself — who is due to be sentenced this week after admitting conspiracy to commit grievous bodily harm — maintained a now-defunct “Eunuch Maker” website, for men who are or aspire to be “nullos” (short for genital nullification). Not only did the site promote the niche fetish, it featured videos of these procedures for subscribers. Many of Gustavson’s co-conspirators have pleaded guilty to causing grievous bodily harm, their crimes ranging from freezing limbs for removal to the resection of nipples. But legal cases involving instances of consensual castration are becoming increasingly common.

In 2021, Oklahoman newlyweds Bob Lee Allen, 53, and Thomas Evan Gates, 42, were convicted of a variety of offences — including practising medicine without a licence — after they were found to have performed backyard castrations in their isolated cabin. That same year, an Australian named Ryan Andrew King, 28, was given a three and a half year suspended sentence for removing the testicles of two men with their consent in a backpacker hostel. At sentencing, both of King’s “victims” gave evidence that they had “no complaints” with the procedure, with one adding: “I am eternally grateful to Ryan for enabling me to enjoy life.”

Eunuchs, of course, are nothing new. In ancient China, imperial servants were commonly castrated while serving as high-ranking advisors to royalty. In ancient Rome, slaves were castrated in order to remain docile and subservient, their lack of sex drive making them ideal guards for harems. In 16th-century Italy, boys were castrated to preserve their youthful singing voices. The male psyche has traditionally been preoccupied with keeping one’s balls intact rather than lopping them off. The fetishisation of castration, combined with a growing subculture of nullos who have acted out their desires, is an entirely contemporary phenomenon — one worth taking seriously, given that it presents profound challenges to liberal ideals of consent and bodily autonomy.

“The male psyche has traditionally been preoccupied with keeping one’s balls intact rather than lopping them off”

Online communities catering to nullo fetishists — which have been around since the late Nineties — involve sexualising the submissive role of castrato. Men attracted to these forums post gruesome fantasy fiction and share castration tips. In one fantasy story posted on The Eunuch Archive, a young prostitute in Victorian London knocks to the ground a man they suspect is Jack the Ripper. The Dickensian dominatrix then swiftly removes the Ripper’s penis with a scalpel. In another, slave boys wriggle against restraints as they are castrated like cattle and sold off to servitude.

Focused as they are on the derivation of pleasure from pain and humiliation, nullos are part of the BDSM community — but they are of course at the very extreme end of the sadomasochistic spectrum. Like all kinks, fantasies of castration have complex roots. A 2007 survey of men who posted on The Eunuch Archive found that castration ideation often correlated with a history of child abuse (which may include parental threats of castration), exposure to animal castration in early years and/or religious condemnation of sexuality, and being gay.

Less is known about the self-described “cutters”, who perform the backyard castrations, although the limited evidence suggests they are often motivated by their own sexual preferences for domination and control, probably supplemented by the desire to make money. One survey found that cutters were more likely to present themselves as traditionally masculine, and have histories of self-harm and sexually inappropriate behaviour, compared with their submissive nullo counterparts.

None of this information necessarily enables the law to decide how to respond to cases of consensual castration. So far, the UK has relied on existing legal precedent, based on the House of Lords’ 1993 ruling on R v Brown — also known as the Spanner case — which upheld the conviction a group of gay men who had engaged in consensual sadomasochistic activities that led to injury. Recorded on VHS tapes discovered as a result of “Operation Spanner”, a police operation targeting obscenity, the activities included whipping, wax play and, much discussed in the tabloids, the nailing of one man’s foreskin to a block of wood — all of which were freely consented to. A 3-to-2 majority upheld the conviction on the basis that the unique harms of consensual sadomasochism were worthy of prosecution, regardless of the consent of all those involved. “Society is entitled and bound to protect itself against a cult of violence,” declared Lord Templeman. “Pleasure derived from the infliction of pain is an evil thing. Cruelty is uncivilised.”

This doctrine, that consent is irrelevant to certain extreme sexual activities, has been adopted wholesale in the UK’s recently passed Domestic Abuse Act 2021, which states that “consent to serious harm for sexual gratification is not a defence in circumstances where a person inflicts serious harm on another”. While one may be satisfied with the use of this principle in the case of Gustavson, it’s a peculiar feature of UK law that one’s consent to a risky activity is dismissed merely because there is a sexual component at play. In a liberal society, we accept that people can consent to all manner of activities that may harm them — from extreme sports to boxing matches to various forms of elective, unnecessary cosmetic procedures. Some, such as Dr Senthorun Raj from Manchester Metropolitan University, have argued that the Spanner case is nothing more than an expression of judicial disgust at unusual activities, particularly those pursued by gay men.

The 1996 Court of Appeal decision of R v Wilson certainly bares out this hypocrisy. In this case, consent was recognised as a defence where a husband was charged with branding his initials onto his wife’s buttocks with a hot butter knife. The court distinguished its reasoning from the Spanner case by categorising the activity as non-sexual and analogous to tattooing, despite the fact that branding is a known fantasy in the BDSM scene.

And yet, in 2018 Brendan McCarthy, the self-described “body-modification practitioner” known as Dr Evil, was successfully prosecuted for consensual procedures performed at his tattoo parlour. McCarthy was convicted of three counts of assault occasioning actual bodily harm for removing one customer’s ear, another customer’s nipple and splitting another’s tongue — all of which were done with full consent. Relying on the Spanner Case, the Court of Appeal found that consent to extreme body modifications is not a defence to criminal charges. In summing up, Justice Nawaz stated that “the personal autonomy of the appellant’s customers did not justify removing body modification from the ambit of the law of assault.”

One does not necessarily need to sympathise with the nullos or other extreme kinksters to quibble with the current state of the law. I’m of the view that the reasoning of the Spanner case and its recent codification in statute are not fit for purpose, as they wrongheadedly prioritise “social harm” over actual harm. A different model is required, one that understands the capacity for adults to consent to harm but allows some protection for the most vulnerable. Does this mean we should allow live-streamed castration surgeries without any recourse to the criminal law? Not in my view. Even the most ardent liberal understands the need to deter people from self-destructive behaviour and protect against exploitation.

It’s hard to see how the removal of a submissive’s genitals for sexual pleasure is anything other than gross negligence. However, that hasn’t stopped some groups from trying to legitimise the practice. The World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) recently included fresh guidelines for the treatment of “eunuchs” in its Standards of Care. These guidelines disingenuously downplay the sexual motivations of nullos, choosing to frame their desires as coming under the transgender umbrella — a framing with which most self-described nullos do not agree. Most view themselves as men who wish to fulfil a sexual fantasy.

Before we start going down the road of medically approved nullo surgeries, which already occur to a limited extent in the United States, it’s worth stepping back to appreciate that this kink begins as sexual daydreaming. At least one online survey of nullos found that the vast majority of people who engage in discussions about these desires have no interest in actually being castrated. Once upon a time, keeping unsafe fantasies purely in one’s own mind would have been seen as the sensible and ethical choice.

One case I often raise to challenge the liberal sensibilities of my students is that of German cannibal, Armin Meiwes, who was convicted of manslaughter in 2001, after he killed and ate a man named Bernd Brandes — with his full consent. The pair met on a website called The Cannibal Café, which catered to individuals interested in eating a person or being eaten. Most people who hear this story tend to think Meiwes deserves to be punished by the criminal law, regardless of the consent involved — particularly because Brandes was not a well man, having suffered from depression for much of his life and having what prosecutors called “a strong desire for self-destruction”.

In cases of BDSM, it is clear that a duty of care is owed by the “dominant” (or “active”) party in the activity to the “submissive” (or “passive”) party: the dominant has an obligation to protect against unnecessary psychological and physical harm to the submissive regardless of consent.

This understanding of relational obligations had pride of place within BDSM communities under the banner of “safe, sane and consensual” — a motto coined in the Eighties. As a sign of our times, many BDSM groups have now moved away from the ethos of ‘safe, sane and consensual’ in favour of a model of ethical conduct known as “risk-aware consensual kink”, or RACK. RACK reflects a distinctly libertarian approach to BDSM, born out of a sex-positive turn that prioritises consent over considerations of health, safety or dignity. The removal of the “sane” element was justified on the basis it is “ableist” to deny people suffering from chronic mental health issues or severe trauma the pleasures of extreme BDSM. Under this model, many forms of extreme BDSM — from choking till unconsciousness to knife play — are legitimised as “ethical” merely because all participants are well-informed of the risks and fully consent. But the extreme cases filtering into the courts would suggest that this shift in the “rules” around BDSM has been dangerous.

As such, it seems appropriate for the law to define when the dominant’s disregard for the submissive’s wellbeing becomes so abhorrent that criminal punishment in warranted. In the case of Meiwes, clearly, he was aware that anyone seeking to be killed and eaten was vulnerable, yet he chose to end the life of another to fulfil his own deviant fantasies. This is objectionable, despite Brandes’s consent. When it comes to nullos, the actions of self-described cutters in performing unsafe, permanently damaging procedures on others — for the sake of a sexual kink — very much reflects the kind of gross negligence deserving of criminal punishment. The law needs to reflect the traditional, ethical model of BDSM: it would thereby allow for most “safe” forms — while protecting against unconscionable acts of violence.


Jarryd Bartle is a writer, educator and consultant on vice regulation.

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Fafa Fafa
Fafa Fafa
9 months ago

What? Removing the genitals of a consenting person is “causing grievous bodily harm” and it is a punishable crime? Am I missing something? Have I found myself in an alternate universe? I have the distinct memory of penises, breasts removed from people sometimes and young as 16 – 17 in medical facilities, the procedures covered by insurance – have I become a victim of the Mandela Effect? Someone please help me out!

LeeKC C
LeeKC C
9 months ago
Reply to  Fafa Fafa

It’s hard to see how the removal of a submissive’s genitals for sexual pleasure is anything other than gross negligence. However, that hasn’t stopped some groups from trying to legitimise the practice. The World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) recently included fresh guidelines for the treatment of “eunuchs” in its Standards of Care. These guidelines disingenuously downplay the sexual motivations of nullos, choosing to frame their desires as coming under the transgender umbrella
I think its more a case of when you open the door wide open with little caveats – you are openly inviting more and more sub-groups from emerging out of ‘fantasy’ land into object reality with people willing to enact and enable. Above bold shows clearly the mainframe group we hold in question willing to openly and un-invitedly welcome nullos into their open arms of subversion. Children! nah – they are ‘sexual’ little beings – “we know whats best”. Body mutilation on sexual grounds – open playing field.
It is truly hard to wrap your head around how the hell we got here.
If its not already obvious – society does not do well without boundaries and ‘laws’ in place. I wonder if all the very ‘liberals’ (total individual autonomy regardless of mental or health state – see other article here re Trans medico exposure – known DID patients etc) are still on board. Question is – just how far is this willing and going to go? Looks like the WPATH are still holding sway – so only God knows. Truly.
‘beam me up Scotty!”

Arthur King
Arthur King
9 months ago

Have the editors changed at unherd. Weirder and weirder stories.

Studio Largo
Studio Largo
9 months ago

I would say that the ‘dominant’s disregard for the submissive’s well-being’ is the whole point for both sides of this sick cult.

Andrew D
Andrew D
9 months ago
Reply to  Studio Largo

Masochist: ‘Please beat me!’
Sadist: No.

George K
George K
9 months ago

Th e real cult here is the cult of “self”. I don’t see any good arguments against any extremes while the presupposition is that a person need to be treated entirely separately from the society he lives in.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
9 months ago
Reply to  George K

The obverse is that all individuals should remain subservient to the dictates of society, which is a socialist fantasty; the cutting off of personal agency.

Of course, the discussion is about obtaining a balance, in which reference to “self” is seen as healthy, not problematic.

George K
George K
9 months ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

That’s right. Here we have an obverse case of a quite literal “cutting off of personal agency”

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
9 months ago

I have mixed feelings about this. Adults should be allowed to engage in consensual activity, as long as they don’t impose themselves on someone else. This really blurs that boundary. If someone gets injured, even by accident, victim and perpetrator should be charged criminally and made to pay external costs of health care etc.

Lindsay S
Lindsay S
9 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Agreed, I have the added consideration that there are those that I would see castrated by the state (child s£x offenders and r@pists who claim to be trans to get into women’s prisons), I also think it’s odd that they can be castrated on the NHS if they claim to be trans but prosecuted if it’s for “other” purposes.

Dumetrius
Dumetrius
9 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

I have talked with two of the ‘nullo cult’ as they use all the standard gay apps in London, and all are in my age range.

They are quite seriously bonkers.

Fafa Fafa
Fafa Fafa
9 months ago
Reply to  Dumetrius

They are not a cult, they are people who identify as nullo. The total emasculation simply affirms it.

Dumetrius
Dumetrius
9 months ago
Reply to  Fafa Fafa

No.
You’ve expressed their beliefs – identity & affirmation.
Beliefs can be put into practice by many types of organisation or structure – speculative discussion groups, researching bodies, publishing houses, movements which activate/ die cyclically across generations, established churches, cults and so on.
And this one is a cult. I’ve chatted with two of the people in this article, and from what they said & the way they talked about this, it had more than enough hallmarks to qualify.

John Riordan
John Riordan
9 months ago

I am quite surprised that the medical side of this debate hasn’t already come up with a more definitive position on capacity to give adult consent or otherwise.

In the extreme case of Miewes/Brandes, it’s pretty easy to deem Brandes as incapable of this capacity, and I’d have thought that this example could easily form the basis of a general principle in both medicine and law.

Emily Riedel
Emily Riedel
9 months ago

Anyone else click on this article thinking they were being metaphorical?

Xaven Taner
Xaven Taner
9 months ago

Could I suggest that renationalising BDSM by bringing back the pillory and whipping post might go some way to addressing this?
A society, in order to be stable and avoid a general slide into degeneracy, must regulate its boundaries by publicly chastising deviants. Instead the West celebrates every form of sickness and depravity imaginable.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
9 months ago
Reply to  Xaven Taner

It’s already been nationalised by the Tavistock Centre and GIDS.

Gordon Black
Gordon Black
9 months ago

No mention of non-consensual mutilations such as FGM and circumcision?

Nell Clover
Nell Clover
9 months ago

The author demands the law define when the dominant’s disregard for the submissive’s wellbeing becomes so abhorrent that criminal punishment in warranted. Yet the law has already defined this. The author is disingenuous to pretend otherwise. The author is also disingenuous to imply the law is simply judicial disgust.

In the cases presented, the courts ruled that sexual desire blurs decision making and therefore alters judgement of consent and/or consent given that if not controlled by law would be harmful to society. This is a huge omission to make in an article superficially pretending to be balanced. Poor judgement / inability to consent is well established in existing law relating to substance intoxication. It is not illegal to be drunk and it is not illegal to be horny as hell, but the consequent physical harm you visit on others is likely to be judged as criminal by your poor judgement or their inability to consent. It is that simple.

The author also casually attempts some bizarre parallels. The objective of extreme sports* and cosmetic surgery isn’t grievous bodily harm. The law in fact makes clear that malicious intent to harm someone during a sport is illegal. Further, body modification of any type is illegal in the UK unless carried out by a licenced professional in regulated premises – and that includes tattoos.

If the intent of BDSM is physical harm then it isn’t safe. If it is motivated by sexual arousal it might not be sane or consensual. If the law was amended to make BDSM and the intent to cause bodily harm legal, it would in fact create a legal anomoly, one that would have huge implications for regulations relating to surgery, sport, and the protection of vulnerable adults. Something the author hasn’t bothered addressing in their narrow focus on self, neatly underlining the point made by the original House of Lords ruling.

*Boxing is a historical anomoly. It currently survives because the intent isn’t implicitly (!) grevious bodily harm, the sport has rules, and the rules are professionally enforced. This means unlicensed fighters (boxers who are not licensed by the British Boxing Board) including amateurs face the risk of prosecution if they cause grevious bodily harm or they box in ways outside of the permitted rules, e.g., bare knuckle.

Jarryd Bartle
Jarryd Bartle
9 months ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

Hi Nell,
Thanks for the lengthy and considered response. Just to respond to some points:
the courts ruled that sexual desire blurs decision making and therefore alters judgement of consent and/or consent given that if not controlled by law would be harmful to society”.
That’s not the case. Sexual consent and consent to injury have an interestingly distinct lineage under the law. Nevertheless, Brown was not decided on the basis of lack of capacity(due to alcohol or cognitive impairment etc). Instead, a firmer limit on the use of consent as a quasi-defence to serious injury was established. 
“It is not illegal to be drunk and it is not illegal to be horny as hell, but the consequent physical harm you visit on others is likely to be judged as criminal by your poor judgement or their inability to consent.”
Regarding extreme BDSM the distinction is on the type of harm caused more than anything else (“poor judgment” is not a criteria). A distinction can be made between a common assault (such as a slap) and more serious levels of harm (actual bodily harm or above). Post-Brown, the former can still be consented to whilst the more serious harms cannot. 
“The author also casually attempts some bizarre parallels. The objective of extreme sports* and cosmetic surgery isn’t grievous bodily harm. The law in fact makes clear that malicious intent to harm someone during a sport is illegal. Further, body modification of any type is illegal in the UK unless carried out by a licenced professional in regulated premises – and that includes tattoos.”
I agree that ‘malicious intent’ would be an appropriate moral standard, but for acts of extreme BDSM that is not currently the legal threshold. Indeed, most BDSM practitioners do not intend to maim or seriously injure each other. 
You’re correct about prize fights, but I’m not entirely sure it is analogous to many forms of BDSM.
Actual bodily harm is a relatively low bar to negate consent, being injury that is more than mere “trifling” or “transient”. If the limit focused on grievous bodily harm (which would encompass the nullos case) I think we would be more in agreement.
On your point about a ‘licensed professional in regulated premises’ – that was the case with Brendan McCarthy who was registered as a tattooist and piercer. It’s more accurate to say body modification, other than cosmetic procedures performed by medical professionals, is illegal outright in the UK. 

Simon Blanchard
Simon Blanchard
9 months ago

“… after they were found to have performed backyard castrations in their isolated cabin.” Well, that certainly ticks all my hillbilly noir boxes.

Paul
Paul
9 months ago

Savin’ up for dental work, ah reckon.

Anthony Roe
Anthony Roe
9 months ago

Any one who uses the phrase “not fit for purpose”
should have their appendages removed.

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
9 months ago
Reply to  Anthony Roe

Ditto ‘problematic’.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
9 months ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

Ditto “white privilege” and “white supremacy”.

Philip Stott
Philip Stott
9 months ago

An interesting if difficult subject matter.
For what it’s worth, I think the author’s idea that when indulging in behaviour that can cause life-changing injuries, dominant parties owe a duty of care to submissives, even where all concerned are consenting adults probably strikes the right balance.

Emmanuel MARTIN
Emmanuel MARTIN
9 months ago

So basically a gender transition clinic without the high tech medical decorum ?
My view is that mentally able adults should be able to make their own decisions over their own bodies, and provide informed consent. None of your business, therefore

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
9 months ago

Maybe, but mutilating kids is utterly depraved.

Vesselina Zaitzeva
Vesselina Zaitzeva
9 months ago

I think that there are valid grounds to believe that people involved in this practice cannot be deemed ‘mentally able’ and, therefore, the notion of informed consent is hardly applicable.
A bit off: what a weird article, indeed…

Kirk Susong
Kirk Susong
9 months ago

Agreed. The desire to suffer sexual pain or sexual disfigurement is itself the evidence of mental disorder that prevents the possibility of informed consent.

Jane Doe
Jane Doe
9 months ago

Anyone who would consent to castration like this is not mentally competent.

LeeKC C
LeeKC C
9 months ago

It does when it has an effect on others or is encouraged and endorsed to others. We now have social media which effectively has no boundaries and people actively and narcissistically post about themselves and their proclivities. Previously it was in very niche groups without the same tentacle reach as we have now.
We also have in our health system ‘deemed medically fit” to consent to ‘normal’ medical procedures. Think elderly, or acquired brain injury people, and numerous such examples. How is sex always excluded? What about mental health, power structures etc…..

Tom More
Tom More
9 months ago

We have a duty to protect children from intellectual and moral and sexual perversion. Sex and its meaning and purpose is not complicated. Eyes really are for seeing and the mind is made for truth. We are in such an insane cult.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
9 months ago

How interesting. When it involves two consenting adults, it’s a crime. When it involves adults castrating a child, it’s affirmation.

Arthur King
Arthur King
9 months ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

Best comment …

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
9 months ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

We truly live in absurd times. It does not speak well of us that we can sustain such nonsensical contradictions as normal and acceptable. I can’t imagine what future historians will say about our civilization looking back at this era, but I strongly suspect it won’t be anything good. On one comedy program, it’s referred to as the stupid ages and I’d say they unintentionally hit pretty close to the mark there.

Helen Nevitt
Helen Nevitt
9 months ago

Just don’t do it, man.

Point of Information
Point of Information
9 months ago

Discussions about niche sexual preferences often make me contemplate whether it would help to remind people, whatever their preference and especially if they are young or vulnerable to online trends, that sex is not the most important part of life nor is sexuality the most interesting part of your personality.

Like eating chocolate or going to see a show or sports match, sex may be good or bad for your health, and the type of sex you have may inform some of your opinions, but it is ultimately an activity that (usually) takes up a similar amount of time to a hobby and has less impact on you and society at large than your job* and your interactions with friends and family**.

If there were activist organisations that took other enthusiasms as seriously as WPATH for example, would there be campaigns for historically marginalised groups such as Millwall supporters until HR departments had to ensure equality between them and Chelsea fans…?

*Unless your job is exceptionally meaningless and you have no colleagues.
** Unless you have neither.

Vesselina Zaitzeva
Vesselina Zaitzeva
9 months ago

On a brighter note: a great caption.
I bemoaned some time ago the fact that the witty captions had disappeared, but now am happy to stand corrected (and not only about this caption, by the way)

Dumetrius
Dumetrius
9 months ago

Fisting has ended up dragged before the beak because of ‘Spanner’ concerns, after a doctor apparently told a committee of MPs that it couldn’t be done without massive harm to the bottom. (Read that whichever way you want.)
I didn’t believe a doctor would say that, till I went to a locum who basically told me the same thing.
However, I’ve been approached by members of the North London Nullo Cult online. I had no doubt that I was talking to people who were seriously mad.

Benedict Waterson
Benedict Waterson
9 months ago

This article is not for the faint hearted

Kirk Susong
Kirk Susong
9 months ago

What remarkable intellectual incoherence is on display here! Just what is the vision of human flourishing, of happy and healthy human existence, that warrants the author’s attempted distinction between cannibalism, castration and mere BDSM?
When will society accept that we got it wrong… that simply getting what you want is not the right standard at all – in fact it often makes you very unhappy in the long run.
The Spectator just ran an article critical of ‘body positivity,’ critiquing those who claim obesity is fine. This is the same problem… the mere fact that someone claims to want something, and subsequently claims to be happy they go it, does not prove that it is ethically acceptable for society to encourage and/or tolerate.
People frequently lie to themselves; people ignore correlations between what they want and what they don’t want; people can’t think beyond the next cookie or drink or line of cocaine; people fall into communities where they mistake being used for being loved; the list goes on and on.
Time to stop pretending that fetishists’ desires are ethically relevant to social policy. They’re not.

Paul
Paul
9 months ago

Reading this just feeds my growing respect for the plain and straightforward approach represented by, say, Leviticus. Rather than engage in endless hair-splitting argument, just declare certain behaviours abominations and be done with it. Whether Leviticus picked the right ones is a separate question.

Jonathan Andrews
Jonathan Andrews
9 months ago

I have enjoyed a rather adventurous sex life. I’ve had a lot of fun. I suspect some wouldn’t approve of some of the high jinks on which I’ve been involved. Of course, everything was consensual (it would be horrible if not).

However, I cannot see the fun in hurting someone. While, not my cup of tea, BDSM is usually very careful and all sorts of devices are used to ensure any pain is transient. But, deliberately harming or, dear God, deliberately wishing to be harmed, come on folks, you can have so much pleasure, so much joy from gently pleasing your partner(s).

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
9 months ago

We’re long past the point where puritanism was a dominant social movement, but we’ve never quite let go of the puritan tendency to put anything related to sex and sexuality into its own category with its own rules that have nothing to do with the rules regarding other things.
Consent is only relevant when a crime, such as rape, is defined by the non-consent of one party or the other. Rape can’t occur with consent, and because rape is the most common sexual crime, there is a tendency to apply the question of consent to any sexual activity that comes into question, relevant or not.
But most crimes don’t involve consent at all. If I handed a man a gun and asked him to shoot me, and he does it, that’s still a crime, because shooting someone is attempted murder regardless of what the other person did (the only viable affirmative defenses are self-defense and insanity). To me this question is an extension of the assisted suicide question. What we’re talking about is consensual self-harm, and helping a person kill themselves is rather the ultimate form of self harm. In most countries though, suicide is illegal, just impossible to punish. Assisting a person with suicide is generally a crime as well. The countries that do allow assisted suicide generally insist that individuals seeking to legally kill themselves must go to a licensed provider and go through a series of assessments to check for mental illness. I see no reason why these odd medical procedures, sex related or otherwise, can’t be held to the same standard.

Sheryl Rhodes
Sheryl Rhodes
9 months ago

I’ve often thought of a twist on some of these issues: if (as seems to be the case in the US) it is lawful for a person to consent to all sorts of physical and psychological assaults as a part of BDSM “play,” then how can you draw a strict line where the same conduct becomes completely unlawful because it’s categorized as domestic violence?
Let me start by stating that I think inflicting pain on others is a bad, bad thing. Even if consensual, I think it’s poisonous to one’s soul.
As we all know, many couples commit violence upon each other and do NOT want the police to be involved; they don’t want their partner charged with a crime. To be stereotypical, let’s say a woman has been with her husband for many many years, and she knows that every so often he responds to emotional and psychological impulses by getting rough with her. She consents to stay with him knowing this will happen. It’s probable that she would prefer that he not do this any more, but overall she accepts it as an accommodation to him in their relationship. His behavior is a crime. But in the same general situation, let’s say that her husband desires at times to do various things to her body (I’m certainly not going to get graphic) that are equally painful. She consents to this; she accommodates him in this even though she would just as soon he stop this “play.”
So, in one scenario such behavior is not only legal, but celebrated in Pride parades, as long as at least one party says that it’s tied to libido—but it’s a serious crime resulting in jail time if the assault is driven by other psychological impulses? Being xtually motivated turns the assault into a pristine act, but being motivated by stress or unhappiness or low self-esteem makes the assaulter into a criminal monster?

Lang Cleg
Lang Cleg
9 months ago

I notice you don’t mention R v Emmett (1999), which overruled R v Wilson, and confirmed the legal principle in R v Brown.

Jarryd Bartle
Jarryd Bartle
9 months ago
Reply to  Lang Cleg

Hi Lang,
It’s not correct to say Emmett “overruled” Wilson. Instead it distinguished the facts in that case (involving serious burns and asphyxiation) from the analogies made in Wilson about tattooing etc.

Leejon 0
Leejon 0
9 months ago

Mental!

Will K
Will K
9 months ago

Cosmetic surgery for men and women is a common medical procedure. I believe the law requires a medical qualification for the surgeon, which is reasonable. Perhaps that should be the only requirement for any body-alteration, along with consent.

William Amos
William Amos
9 months ago

I see no mention here of the Wolfenden Report of 1957 which signalled the retreat, or evacuation, of English Law from the sphere of ‘private morality’ for the first time in recorded history. The first great body blow landed by the followers of John Stuart Mill on the Christian basis of our legal system and a foundational document in the constitution of the Liberal Monolith.
The Wolfenden report declared that –  “It is not, in our view, the function of the law to intervene in the private life of citizens, or to seek to enforce any particular pattern of behaviour.”
All this confusion, one feels, is downstream from the Hart-Devlin debate over that momentous report. The establishement thought that the Devil had seen the creation of the Welfare State in 1948 and commited suicide, to adapt an expression.