Rochdale is a terrible place to live. I spent time there in the late Nineties reporting on the grooming gangs and found a toxic mix of self-serving politicians, poor policing, grinding hardship and failing social services. The borough has one of the highest child poverty rates in the whole of the UK, and the council was variously described as “a disgrace” and “not fit for purpose” by unimpressed residents.
It’s bleak here. The main shopping area, Yorkshire Street, is a sad parade of charity shops, discount stores, and closed-down businesses. Each time I go, I see more and more homeless people on the street. And the stories of poverty and neglect are heart-breaking. In 2020, a toddler died from a respiratory condition caused by mould in the housing association property he lived in. Shockingly, his death changed nothing: it’s still a widespread problem, almost four years on.
Steeped in political scandal and poverty as it is, things could be about to get a whole lot worse. The result of today’s contentious by-election could mean the infamous constituency could end up represented in Parliament by a clown.
Once the pride of industrial Britain, the town was soiled redeemably by “Mr Rochdale” for decades. Real name Cyril Smith, he became a Labour councillor in 1952 at the age of 23, and was Rochdale’s MP from 1972 until he retired from Parliament in 1992. He managed to sustain this lengthy term in office despite multiple allegations of profoundly inappropriate behaviour. In total, eight men alleged that Smith had indecently assaulted them as teenagers in the Sixties; six of them were living at a residential establishment for boys named Cambridge House Hostel, which Smith had been involved in setting up.
When the Director of Public Prosecutions was informed in 1970, the advice was not to prosecute. That advice was reviewed by the Crown Prosecution Service in 1998 and 1999, when two further complainants were identified. Yet neither review led to Smith being charged. He was knighted in 1988, and died in 2010.
It’s only in the years since his death that the extent of his shocking behaviour has been revealed. Among other things, it transpired that in his spare time, Smith had been taking money from — and being handed shares in — a local asbestos firm in return for delivering speeches in parliament minimising its dangers. Then, as part of the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA), published in 2022, Lord David Steel stated that Smith had told him that media reports of his abuse of children were true. Yet Steel had allowed Smith to continue in office until he stepped down in 1992. The police, I’m told, were in his pocket. The IICSA report stated that this was not the case, but it’s easy to be sceptical when you’re even slightly familiar with his corruption.
Fools voting for the biggest fool to lead them. Isn’t democracy wonderful? Fact is, a foolish king can bring down a nation. In a democracy, the voter is sovereign and the citizen is king. Then let us be wise kings, and not foolish.
In some elections, at least one of the losers might have made a decent MP, but Rochdale folk don’t even have that.
Not true! Julie omits to mention a couple of Independent local candidates. Yes, they’ll lose, but would represent the town with pride if given the chance.
What a tragic situation. Thanks for laying it out for us, Julie.
Not sure what the down vote was for, but credit where credit is due to Julie for this article.
An excellent article. Just one micropoint: you could have mentioned that, when an MP, the appalling Cyril Smith was a Liberal, then a Liberal Democrat from 1988. It is sad that the Tory candidate does not even merit a mention, even though he is just back from his holiday (apparently) and doubtless putting in a solid couple of days on the stump.
Worth remembering that, appalling though he was, Cyril Smith was a public favourite in the 1980s and 90s regularly appearing on BBC Question Time and generally regarded as quite a character, full of good solid northern common sense. Just like Jimmy Savile the truth came out much too late.
By his own admission, Sir David Steel knew about Cyril Smith’s dark side in 1979, when Steel was the leader of the Liberal Party. It was only in 2020 that Steel finally resigned form the Liberal Democrats and resigned from the House of Lords. Private Eye, to its credit, made allegations against Smith back in the 1960’s, when Smith was a Labour councillor in Rochdale.
You’re making me nostalgic for the days when Private Eye could still be relied on for ‘scurrilous’ investigative journalism.
Yeah, these days its the cheeky-chappy wing of the Guardian.
Since they endorsed Hamas apparently a lot of copies are going missing. If you do not want to pay for your copy and cancelled your subscription due to Andrew Wakefield, Covid or Hamas & Co at the tail end of the Hislop/Craig Brown era, apparently it fits well inside numerous classic ‘bike, car and fieldsports magazines.
Yeah right. I mean its 12-year reporting on the Post Office was just fantasy. As is, you’re doubtless convinced, its reporting on Teesport.
I said “these days”
Yes- or the ‘prefects’ room’ as Clive James put it.
The party knew about the dark side of Jeremy Thorpe (no relation,) years before his scandal became public too.
Yes, what is it about Lib Dem leaders?
Their voters are pretty weird too.
Simon Danczuk also did a lot of good work exposing Cyril Smith and child exploitation networks, and deserves recognition for that. Have the 17-year old girl allegations been substantiated because their timing appeared very suspicious?
The former Green sounds like he has a reasonable grasp of the situation.
The former Green sounds like he has a reasonable grasp of the situation.
That would be a first then!
I worked briefly with Danczuk in the nineties and was very impressed. Maybe he does have skeletons in the cupboard, I wouldn’t know.
Like Julie, i’ve also visited Rochdale recently, having connections there
In the interests of fairness, the town centre has been transformed. There’s a new shopping/leisure quarter (Yorkshire St is no longer the main street) and the magnificent Grade II-listef town hall has been restored to its original 1870s condition, utilising (for instance) stained glass experts who previously worked on York Minster.
There’s some pleasant residential districts and lovely moorland plus lakes and nature reserves not far from the centre.
Julie rightly excoriates the political mess of the by-election, and of course the grooming scandal, but to characterise the town as somehow uniquely disadvantaged simply isn’t true – there are far worse places to live, and great transport connections to the nearby thriving hubs of Manchester and Leeds
Bindel uses the usual passive tense to describe Rochdale’s poverty – “disenfranchised” for example – because like most Lefties, she thinks wealth is somehow showered down from the government. It’s not; poverty is humankind’s default state, and in a modern economy, poverty is almost always a sign of lack of productivity, which at the end of the day, boils down to the personal choices of the individuals concerned.
Blame it on their culture? Sure… but “culture” is just a word to characterise how individuals with certain shared characteristics choose to live their lives.
Rochdale was run by Labourites for most of its history, so if Bindel thinks government is responsible for their plight, I don’t know why she isn’t blaming Labour – and their policies – for the place’s poverty. Apparently they should keep voting for what failed to work for them in the past – a bit like Blacks in America voting Democratic, despite the serial failures of Democratic enclaves like Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore.
But it doesn’t matter whom the people of Rochdale choose to vote for; they’ll remain who they are. Which is to say – people whose prosperity reflects their productivity. If a culture produces poverty elsewhere, it’s hard to see why it wouldn’t produce the same result in Britain. Do we have magic soil here, or something?
‘If a culture produces poverty elsewhere, it’s hard to see why it wouldn’t produce the same result in Britain. Do we have magic soil here, or something?’
Indeed, Rochdale has not been helped by importing poverty to the town.
Sorry I doubted you were campaigning for the girls of Rochdale during the grooming scandal .
I look forward to the return of the finest parliamentary orator of my lifetime.
Why he can’t just admit he’s a Muslim Allah only knows.
MPs and Lobby journalists who were not old enough to vote when he was last in Parliament, are not going to know what has hit them when they hear him speak there.
Why? Is he going to confess of even more organised abuse by the community with which he associates himself?
Please God, that he can’t return from the dead.
Who cares? The more like him who inhabit Westminster, the more it will be obvious it needs clearing out.
Unlike you, I’d prefer plain speaking of truth to the fancy rendition of falsehood.
Congratulations George !
The article describes the past utter failure to protect children – the authorities simply ignored statutory rape for years. Yet here is the Metro headline of 16th January 2024 covering the most recent report into the Rochdale child sex scandal:
’96 Rochdale Groomers Still Free – Whistleblowers vindicated as police and council rebuked for failing girls’
What does the future hold ?
This is why the police hate Tommy Robinson. He exposed their utter uselessness and corruption
I grew up in one of Rochdale’s surrounding towns. When we moved there in the early 80’s someone remarked to my parents that having daughters meant we were safe from Cyril Smith. Smith was an open secret in Rochdale. The view was that every time a local officer opened a case against him, someone from the Met appeared to take over and removed all evidence down to London.
My dad commented to me the other week that he was listening to the news on the radio during the morning. The first news broadcast featured an interview with a representative from Rochdale police who commented that there was still a lot of fear of accusations of Islamophobia hampering investigations. The next broadcast missed out the interview whilst still touching on the new article itself. The next broadcast didn’t even mention it all. My dad listening from 5am to 8am. As more people tuned in, less information was broadcast.
‘When the Director of Public Prosecutions was informed in 1970, the advice was not to prosecute. That advice was reviewed by the Crown Prosecution Service in 1998 and 1999, when two further complainants were identified. Yet neither review led to Smith being charged. He was knighted in 1988, and died in 2010.’
It’s no wonder some immigrants to the area pick up on this culture and get involved in this kind of abuse themselves then is it. Especially when the local mp gets a knighthood despite his disgusting behaviour. It sounds that bad that this behaviour was basically acceptable to the authorities.
Police in his pocket, failing social services, politicians complicit. Failure after failure. No accountability.
What is the state for?
“It’s no wonder some immigrants to the area pick up on this culture and get involved in this kind of abuse themselves then is it. Especially when the local mp gets a knighthood despite his disgusting behaviour.”
Yes Smith was a monster and the parallels with Jimmy SaVILE are entirely fair. However, to equate what gangs of Muslim young men are doing to white girls because they see white girls as trash, is wholly wrong.
Your final sentence: your proof of this is what?
Yes, I couldn’t understand it either.
‘Yes Smith was a monster and the parallels with Jimmy SaVILE are entirely fair. However, to equate what gangs of Muslim young men are doing to white girls because they see white girls as trash, is wholly wrong.’
But they were/ are all doing the same thing. Child abuse is child abuse, the likes of Smith and Savile (like your emphasis on vile) and all the authorities up there must have also seen their victims as trash or they wouldn’t have treated them like that. Basically gangs of white British people treating white British kids as trash, to quote the article:
‘In the Smith Street public toilets scandal, for example, boys as young as primary school age were sexually abused by men for the price of an ice lolly in full view of the Social Services Department. The Child Protection Manager later described how she would regularly notice boys sitting on the walls and being beckoned by men to follow them inside. ‘
If the rule of law had been upheld in the first place there would not be a culture of abuse up there already for immigrants to exploit. The British state and it’s employees were already allowing such things to happen so it’s no wonder people from elsewhere, moving to that area see this – then think that it is acceptable behaviour.
The rule of law was not upheld regardless of whether the abusers were British or immigrants.
If this is a problem – that immigrants to the area see white girls as trash – then the rule of law should have protected the girls in the first place and it certainly wasn’t just immigrants treating people like trash. British people were treating their own like trash there already, not upholding the law of their own country and suffering no consequences for their behaviour – we shouldn’t then be too surprised when we have problems with people from other countries doing the same thing.
It is a complete failure of the state.
That doesn’t explain Muslim grooming gangs in most other large towns in England though
A failed state does though. If it was part of the culture in Rochdale before mass immigration it is not unreasonable to say that this has been a problem elsewhere too. The British social care system has had problems with systemic child abuse for as long as it has existed.
If it is a problem in small parts of the Muslim community too that is not too surprising, considering it has been a problem here as well.
If the state wasn’t failing miserably it wouldn’t be a problem at all. The rule of law is not being implemented.
So you deny that this has been a problem in British social care since it’s inception?
Ffs I will pull sources if I have to but I’d rather not. I’m doing the war debate at the moment and my sources are being moderated. Again.
You deny that child abuse is a problem perpetuated by people, mostly men, regardless of race, religion or country if origin?
I hope you don’t work in social care. No wonder it’s f*cked.
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I didn’t say they learned it in the UK I said it is not surprising that we have problems with this in immigrant communities when it is also a systemic problem in the British social care system.
I dare say that the above mentioned politicians, police and members of social services that aided and a betted the likes of Savile etc. didn’t have nice names for their victims either.
Why are they not doing it to Muslim girls then?
Because their religion doesn’t allow it?
When young Muslim girls are seen as behaving like white western girls, they risk being killed to save the family’s honour! Quite an incentive!
This is ridiculous racial profiling. So you are saying that your average Muslim family would kill their child to preserve their families honour!?
I really hope you have never worked for the state.
How many instances of honour killings can you come with up with, where this particular situation applies in the UK?
White British culture is very different to middle Eastern culture.
If “The Koran is full of war, slaughter, rape and pillage with genocide and slavery as well.” then is it surprising lots of people think” It’s not fit for the 21st century.”
It’s actually true. Justification used to be a defence.
The Koran – the holy text of Muslims – is full of war, slaughter, rape and pillage with genocide and slavery…
But so is the Torah, the holy text of Zionists.
I haven’t read them, but I believe the ancient texts of the Hindus are as well (happy to be corrected on this point).
The Dhammapada is full of love and peace, and so is the New Testament… though the Christian Bible also includes the genocidal Torah.
So highlighting the fact that the Koran is violent – in the context of Gaza – is a bit sly given their oppressors’ Torah is just as violent.
The Torah is violent , but NOT just as violent . Secondly there is no hatred of Muslims in the Torah for the obvious reason Muslims didn’t exist when it was written . There is hatred against Jews in the Koran .
Judaism does not seek to turn the whole of humanity into Jews . Islam does want the whole world to become Muslim .
Exactly. Conversion is the goal by whatever means.
No Hindu text condones rape and pillage of unbelievers. Please remember also that the Buddha was a reformer within Vedic traditions and the Dhammapada is essentially a Prakrit( a more mass dialect) version of the Hindu Vedic Upanishads and the Rig Veda written in Sanskrit.
If the Hindu philosophy was a violent mirror image of the Islamic one, India wouldn’t have been subjected to a violent Islamic conquest and rule for almost 800 years.
Jews don’t have a history of violence against others, Muslims do. Consider 9/11 for example and the violent oppression of women in Afghanistan and Iran. I’m an atheist so I don’t have a dog in the fight but Islam terrifies me.
There is another difference: The Torah, basically the Old Testament, is almost exclusively descriptive, not prescriptive. Exceptions are the Ten Commandments. The Koran is prescriptive in its entirety.
Typical JB article – the main problem is they are all men!
It is Ironic that the Tories, who Julie hates with just as much passion, have produced 3 female PMs. Only 1 of them was any good, but Julie would deny that even that one was good.
Can anyone state what Galloway’s policies on improving Rochdale are? It’s interesting that ASSUMING he does have any, these never seem to get mentioned. For a (so-called) local politician (whose “locality” seems to change whenever it suits), he sure does seem to focus on world issues at the expense of local ones. I ASSUME he does have Rochdale policies, but he becomes divisive partly because either deliberately, or for some other reason, his actual policies for the area always seem to become subsumed by this one other issue (and yes, I’m aware that can be the direction the media decides to focus, but he doesn’t seem to do anything to counter this- I’d say he seems to play to it).
He’s so focussed on none local policies he’d fit in most places with the Lib Dem councillors we suffer
Galloway? Improving what? he is just a shameless grifter betting hard on the Jihad segment. He couldn’t care less about actual policies
Read my undertone.
Presumably flying the Palestinian flag from the Town Hall ,issuing endless condemnations of Israelis “genocide” and enacting Sharia law ..that should fix everything.
I could add how ‘curious’ his choices of constituency have been. Could it be deliberate that he seems to choose places with a large population who will generally sympathise with his well-known views. I wonder how well George has functioned as a local representative (when he was an elected MP) on OTHER issues. How well did he represent the views of ALL the people he represented?
Just asking.
He was useless as a Glasgow MP. We couldnt wait to get rid of him. The only person he represented was G Galloway Esq. He did start out as a half – decent local councillor in Dundee. Then his head outgrew the rest of him.
I seem to recall that it wasn’t just his ego that outgrew him but a tendency to be driven by what was in his pants. The supreme dickhead.
TAKE YOUR BLINKERS OFF !!
“Perhaps most disappointing is Labour’s failure: the party should have been a first choice for the majority of voters in a town that has been so abandoned by the bourgeoisie.”
Labour hasn’t been the party of the English working class for over 25 years. Vote Reform in ’24.
Vote for the likes of Danczuk? No thanks!
False equivalence in suggesting that those comments on a holy book are comparable to overt race-baiting.
I found that odd too. You could make exactly the same claims about the Old Testament and I wouldn’t find them remotely offensive, because they’re true.
I don’t doubt that Rochdale has problems but out of morbid curiosity I’ve just used Google maps to have a look around and I think the author is over-egging the story a bit. I’m checking out Yorkshire St right now and I’m finding the town looks comparatively neat and well maintained compared to many places in the UK I’ve been to. I’ve got Paignton just around the corner from where I live and large chunks of it are far more run down than what I’m seeing on Google maps right now.
Lancashire would have been better served by the old Squirearchy than by the conspiracy of blackguards we call mass-democracy. The Townleys, the Molyneuxs and the De Houghtons have served God, King and neighbour in the County Palatine of Lancaster more or less faithfully since the reign of Henry II. Shuffled off stage for Cyril Smith, Galloway, Danzcuk and Azhar Ali.
O, England… “Even were we mean/ to mend her we end her/… After comers cannot guess the beauty been” –
I’m not sure if Rochdale would have been in Mercia or Northumberland, but I think it probably would have been better off in either of those two kingdoms before Alfred and his son threw their weight around.
I would suggest one of the problems in Britain is the absence of the robust practical patriotic financially independent Yeoman and Franklin who undertook sterling service to one and all.
Cyril Smith, the Grooming Gangs largely composed of Muslim Men of Pakistani Descent and PC Couzens are all a product where there is an absence of men with common sense, not finacially dependent on the state and with the toughness to call call out wrongdoing. The reality is that in places such as Rochdale so many people live in council houses/social housing, employed by the state and are easily physically intimidated that they are cowed into silence.
Re the Labour candidate’s supposed “Antisemitic conspiracy theories”. These now apparently include Israel’s complete, demonstrable incompentence on October 7th. It is true that Israel ‘allowed’ the events to occur because the events happened. It is also true that Rochdale “allowed the abuse of children to take place. Saying something was “allowed” does not mean it was instigator or encouraged. The difference, of course, is that one of these examples has a grab-bag of ‘tropes’ available to throw around by anyone wishing to defend their preferred incompetent scum
One can make a good argument that nobody from Pakistan should ever be allowed to live in UK, no exceptions.
Or anywhere else.
Wait – what? No one from Pakistan should be allowed to live anywhere, or, no one from anywhere should be allowed to live in UK? It’s hard to keep up.
If white population of Rochdale had any sense they would vote for Otten.
His description of Koran is accurate.
It is disgraceful that our politicians of all parties are trying ban discussion of nature of Islam.
I keep reading that Rochdale is 19% Pakistani so I can’t understand why politicians are appealing to the minority. Perhaps running on the promise to clear Rochdale of child predators would give that person a landslide!
Easy, ask Salman Rushdie how long they waited to serve his Fatwah and what state he is in now.
The Reform candidate choice speaks volumes about the teal nature of that “party”.
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You mean they chose the former Labour MP? I bet you think that Harvey Weinstein had NO defence when he was jailed? It was never reported, but then when you report on how so many of the ‘victims’ texted post ‘assault’ to beg favours of the bloke, and praise him etc, it tends NOT to support the desired narrative of ‘victim’ Are you sure the MP wasn’t a victim of the Labour party? I always remember Brown’s ‘attack dog’ – and Brown was reputedly one of the true Labour men – he just happened to hate Labour Voters. Microphones have a lot to be proud of when it comes to exposing hypocrites in ALL parties.
Personally, I’d have had to have been very sure of the circumstances before I accepted him, however, the Tory Anderson is being equally abused by Labour over something he said but which seems very apt.
Even though I lean towards Reform, it is hard to disagree with you regarding that choice.
‘the town was soiled redeemably by “Mr Rochdale”’
Irredeemably, surely?
“In other words, as well as the two candidates accused of antisemitism, there’s one who’s been accused on anti-Muslim prejudice.”
This is a fundamental misunderstanding: Guy Otten explicitly criticised the Koran, i.e. Islam, not individual Muslims – two different things. Islam is primarily a political ideology, backed by a legal system to enforce it (Sharia) it should be open to criticism.
He should also have mentioned the blood curdling stuff in the Hadiths and the Sira (Mo’s biography). It was in those where the battle of Khaybar is described, and which was chanted about on one of the London pro Hamas marches (synopsis: Jewish village attacked by Mo, men killed, women and kids into slavery as trophies).
Strange not to make clear that by the time Cyril Smith became MP he had switched from Labour to Liberal. He was a Liberal/Lib Dem MP for his entire tenure!
Yet people are going to vote for this very sick party to lead the UK.
The stories coming out of Rochdale are just wild. Azhar Ali’s supporters are this afternoon placing lots of last minute bets on him in the hope that the bookies’ social media posts announcing that trend will influence the result.
I first heard about Rochdale when Mark Steyn reported on the Pakistani grooming gangs. Sorry to hear nothing has changed and it appears to be getting worse. Britain might want to rethink its immigration policies.
“Accused of Anti-Semitism.” Cute phrasing. I hereby accuse you of it too. Please ensure all future references of you in any future publications mentions my accusation.
‘found a toxic mix of self-serving politicians, poor policing, grinding hardship and failing social services’. But no gangs, apparently, at least none worth mentioning. Lots of stories about other predators, though. All white men. And the groomers were all inspired by Cyril Smith, who was presumably also the MP and inspiration for the grooming gangs in Rotherham, Oxford, Telford, Halifax and other places too numerous to mention. Couldn’t be anything else which inspired them, could it?
Whilst I am in no way defending the grooming gangs, it’s worth pointing out that if feminists like Julie hadn’t taken aim at the family unit, then these predators would have a much harder job isolating young girls. Many of these girls are looking for men to love and protect them because there isn’t one at home. They think they are in love with these monsters and it makes it unbelievably difficult to protect them because they will move heaven and earth to return to their abusers.
That area was already so bleak in 1952 when my family left it that my memories of it are all in black-and-white.
And do I understand that “Asian” in this article is the British press euphemism? If the new people who have moved in to replace the unemployed factory workers I remember were actually Chinese, Korean and Japanese, it would be a far better place to live now.
In Rochdale’s strongly Labour Deeplish, a polling station clerk has been sacked on the spot and the Police have been called, after Labour councillors canvassing for the party’s disowned candidate had been allowed to talk to voters inside the building, and after people had been allowed to vote without ID. George Galloway’s agent walked in on it all. Presumably tipped off, but I don’t know. An hour and a half to go.
23000 postal votes. Hmmn.
Wasn’t Naz Shah sacked by the Corbyn leadership for a post even they considered antisemitic?
Not convinced that she is any more acceptable than Galloway really.
I genuinely worry that over the years this pandering to one particular culture – and one that frankly on the whole is not compatible with British values – will become the norm, and it’s not stoppable. If well documented child exploitation and grooming won’t stop it, nothing will.
Two fundemental aspects are causing the decline of Britain. The inability to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The truth should trump feelings; in Britain feelings trump the truth.
Inability to see the world as it is, and train hard and long to meet the challenges and overcome obstacles. Instead we perceive the world through ideological lenses and are suprised when reality is painfully different.
“The Koran is full of war, slaughter, rape and pillage with genocide and slavery as well. It’s not fit for the 21st century.” In other words, as well as the two candidates accused of antisemitism, there’s one who’s been accused on anti-Muslim prejudice.
Prejudice? Read the Koran yourself and it will confirm the truth of those comments.