A double decker bus burns in Tottenham (LEON NEAL/AFP via Getty Images)

Ten years ago to the day, I saw a part of my world go up in flames. Two days after the shooting of Tottenham resident, convicted criminal and suspected gang member Mark Duggan on August 4, 2011, a crowd of 300 people marched in peaceful protest from the Broadwater Farm estate to the nearby Tottenham Police station.
Nobody really knows what happened next. Nobody ever does in these situations. But the trigger is always the same: someone is pushed or punched; something is thrown or kicked; a fire is lit and a riot starts.
Having grown up in Walthamstow, Tottenham’s East End neighbour, I know the area intimately. I’ve been a member of London’s “black community” all my life; and when the community sneezes, the capital catches a cold. Watching the wall-to-wall coverage of the riots, I only had to glimpse at the predominantly black faces of those caught up in the melee for my jaw to drop, my stomach to churn. Familiar landmarks, streets and memories burned beyond recognition. Within three days, the same scenes were being played out in towns and cities across England.
The country soon became gripped by a desperate need to discover the “truth” behind the riots. Pantomime historian David Starkey appeared, shamelessly, on BBC2’s Newsnight claiming that “the problem is that the whites have become black”, evoking Enoch Powell’s “rivers of blood” speech with incendiary glee. “His prophecy was absolutely right in one sense,” Starkey waxed. “The Tiber did not foam with blood but flames lambent. They wrapped around Tottenham and wrapped around Clapham.”
On the other side, those who had lived in the shadow of bigotry, structural inequality and what they described as the “institutionally racist” Metropolitan Police saw the riots — or “uprisings”, as the Marxist fringes put it — as yet more evidence of a Britain broken by racism and class war.
At the time, the official line was straightforward. On August 4, 29-year-old Duggan was shot dead by police officers from Operation Trident, the Metropolitan Police unit charged with investigating gun crime in London’s black communities. Trident had mounted an operation to apprehend Duggan, who they suspected of being in possession of a firearm, without informing the local police.
Make no mistake: Mark Duggan was no saint. In fact, he wasn’t even “no saint” in the George Floyd sense of the term. Duggan wasn’t choked to death on the street, unarmed and seemingly of little threat. He was shot dead while trying to escape on foot, in possession of a firearm he’d bought 15 minutes earlier. As one former officer who was attached to the unit that killed Duggan told me: “If you don’t want to be shot and killed by someone like me, don’t go out on to the streets of Britain with a gun or a deadly weapon.”
As a Fellow of the Design Against Crime Research Centre at the University of the Arts, it is my job to examine criminal behaviour through a creative lens. So when I look back at the Tottenham riots, what I see is a theatrical, operatic event — albeit a dark one triggered by those addicted to daily drama and a need to be heard. As one old Caribbean saying goes, which is generally applied to getting a good hiding: “Those who don’t hear must feel.”
In a similar manner, a riot gives the voiceless, especially those with low dopamine levels, an opportunity to get caught up in the rush, the excitement and the drama of anarchy. A riot is like Glastonbury for sociopaths. Antagonists see fires burning, smoke billowing, shouting, screams and sirens and they get high. Somewhere between the peaceful demonstration and the five deaths, hundreds of arrests and damages estimated to be as much as £300 million, someone made a critical error of judgement — and then the rioting started.
Perhaps the biggest tragedy of all is that it could have been avoided. Even police experts have conceded the anarchy was preventable. “There was a disgraceful absence of visible leadership, and that should be shaming for the Metropolitan Police,” was the verdict of retired Met Police Deputy Assistant Commissioner David Gilbertson at the time. “With rank comes responsibility, and part of the responsibility is visible command… It’s blindingly obvious to say that you [should] push them away from target-rich environments; a shopping area, a retail park — all of the places that were trashed by the rioters.”
At the time, Tottenham MP David Lammy told me he knew the riots were coming. Unlike most MPs, he was born and raised in the constituency he represents; but like many of his constituents — like me, in fact — he comes from an immigrant, working-class family, too many of whose relatives have had negative encounters with the police. He understood the existential problem between black people and those tasked with protecting them.
But many of us predicted a riot. Tottenham was always going to erupt. Even today, despite now being home to a gleaming £1 billion football stadium, recent deprivation figures show that Tottenham remains one of the top 6% most deprived neighbourhoods in England. Beyond the escalating property prices and significant high crime “powder keg hotspots”, volatile Tottenham — and its surrounding boroughs of Hackney, Waltham Forest and Islington — has long been home to rabbit warren council estates that look like open prisons where an absence of “boots on the ground” policing, partly due to falling or reprioritised police resources, allows gangs to act with impunity. The atomisation, alienation and cynicism — on all sides in such human Petri dishes — means the business of predicting riots is an exercise of “when” not “if”.
After all, we’ve been here before. In 1985, the Broadwater Farm estate in Tottenham erupted. Fuelled by racism, social exclusion, police brutality and poverty, youths took to the streets. Duggan lived on that estate; PC Keith Blakelock died on it. The anger of the rioters, and indeed many pacifists, was articulated graphically by Bernie Grant, Lammy’s predecessor, who infamously remarked: “The police got a bloody good hiding.” Grant’s words were strong — too strong given that an officer had just been murdered in the line of duty. But those words became the tagline of the 1985 riot. Something political had happened.
On the other hand, the 2011 riots were, as Lammy later wrote, “an explosion of hedonism and nihilism”. In Out of the Ashes, he suggests that lack of education, ineffective parental guidance, poor role models, ill-discipline, unemployment and a host of social and developmental ills created the perfect storm for a riot.
Yes, the rioters’ behaviour was criminal. Yes, they should be held to account. But go to Tottenham, says Lammy, and witness the conditions people are living under. For him, the finger was there to be pointed at the mindless criminals at the heart of the riot, and indeed failed police tactics and leadership. But it was also there to be pointed at Cameron, Blair and Brown too. This trio had arguably mortgaged British society, economically and morally in the run up to 2011, just as Thatcher had previously done with the resultant miners’ strikes, poll tax riots and previous Tottenham, Toxteth and Brixton disturbances.
Of course, plenty of black people have died at the hands of police in Britain. But barely a handful have led to serious rioting in the 73 years since the arrival of the Windrush. So why Mark Duggan?
To some extent, people rioted over his death because “his people” were able to mobilise a demonstration outside of Tottenham police station, which then got out of hand — not because he was a galvanising figure like Rodney King or George Floyd or Cynthia Jarrett, whose death sparked the first Tottenham riot in 1985, but because the moment presented itself.
Perhaps that’s why we’ll never be able to explain what happened ten years ago. The chaos was already there. Duggan’s death was merely the trigger. And as communities in Tottenham and beyond continue to rot, I suspect it won’t the last.
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SubscribeIt takes a lot of motivation to fire man-portable anti-tank missiles at armored vehicles. If the Ukrainian people were not really strongly behind their war of independece, there wouldn’t be so many of them willing to shoot at Russian tanks. To argue that the West should impose peace negotiations on Ukraine is ridiculous. It ignores the obvious desire of Ukrainians for independence, and would reward Putin’s aggression.
Like Hitler did with German speakers, Putin claims the right to defend Russian speaking populations everwhere they live, regardless of international borders. That’s part of his justification for invading Ukraine. If would be really dangerous to allow Putin any winnings based on that theory.
You don’t understand the issues.
The conflict was started by the west.
Do some research.
I have done research. Russia moved forces into Ukraines east a decade ago to destabilise the region after their puppet was forced out during protests, and none of their preferred candidates made any ground in subsequent elections so they decided to first annex Crimea and then launch a full invasion
Crimea was always part of Russia.
Check your facts.
No you check yours. Crimea has been part of Ukraine for last 50 years after Russia gave back the land it conquered and took from Ukraine.
Crimea was once part of Russia, which is very different from always having been part of Russia. If Crimea had always been part of Russia then the Russians wouldn’t have had to forcibly annex it would they
England was once part of Normandy.
So objectively, it belongs to the successor to the Normans.
France.
England was once part of Normandy.
So objectively, it belongs to the successor to the Normans.
France.
The problem is: you present no facts to refute.
Just repetitive nonsense.
Hopefully, you are not a Russian troll.
If so, you would be literally stealing money from the Russian people.
No you check yours. Crimea has been part of Ukraine for last 50 years after Russia gave back the land it conquered and took from Ukraine.
Crimea was once part of Russia, which is very different from always having been part of Russia. If Crimea had always been part of Russia then the Russians wouldn’t have had to forcibly annex it would they
The problem is: you present no facts to refute.
Just repetitive nonsense.
Hopefully, you are not a Russian troll.
If so, you would be literally stealing money from the Russian people.
Crimea was always part of Russia.
Check your facts.
Thanks for not wearying us with a Russian troll argument.
Fact is, the conflict was started when Yanukovich sought Ukraine’s entry into the EU.
When Putin forced him to renege on the deal, most Ukrainians were outraged, and eventually overthrew him.
Then, when Yanukovich fled, the legally elected Rada chose his successor.
End of story.
All else is Trollspeak.
No.
This was initiated by the CIA and NATO.
You have swallowed the lies of the western media.
You know nothing about it.
Indeed.
I read quite a few pro-war Russian blogs, plus the standard Kremlin narrative.
The former are outraged at the Kremlin’s continuing blunders. The latter just try to cover them up.
Yeah, I also listen to Solovyov’s antics on state TV.
For laughs…
Indeed.
I read quite a few pro-war Russian blogs, plus the standard Kremlin narrative.
The former are outraged at the Kremlin’s continuing blunders. The latter just try to cover them up.
Yeah, I also listen to Solovyov’s antics on state TV.
For laughs…
No.
This was initiated by the CIA and NATO.
You have swallowed the lies of the western media.
You know nothing about it.
I have done research. Russia moved forces into Ukraines east a decade ago to destabilise the region after their puppet was forced out during protests, and none of their preferred candidates made any ground in subsequent elections so they decided to first annex Crimea and then launch a full invasion
Thanks for not wearying us with a Russian troll argument.
Fact is, the conflict was started when Yanukovich sought Ukraine’s entry into the EU.
When Putin forced him to renege on the deal, most Ukrainians were outraged, and eventually overthrew him.
Then, when Yanukovich fled, the legally elected Rada chose his successor.
End of story.
All else is Trollspeak.
You don’t understand the issues.
The conflict was started by the west.
Do some research.
It takes a lot of motivation to fire man-portable anti-tank missiles at armored vehicles. If the Ukrainian people were not really strongly behind their war of independece, there wouldn’t be so many of them willing to shoot at Russian tanks. To argue that the West should impose peace negotiations on Ukraine is ridiculous. It ignores the obvious desire of Ukrainians for independence, and would reward Putin’s aggression.
Like Hitler did with German speakers, Putin claims the right to defend Russian speaking populations everwhere they live, regardless of international borders. That’s part of his justification for invading Ukraine. If would be really dangerous to allow Putin any winnings based on that theory.
Alas, this seems to be the one issue with which Unherd is decidedly with the Herd. It’s possible simultaneously to hold that A) Putin’s invasion of Ukraine was wrong, and that the way he’s carried out the war (if the media is to be believed) is in many ways evil, AND B) the West, led by America, bears a fair amount of responsibility for this due to our penchant for bear-poking over the past decade.
Putin is undoubtedly a bully, but no one who looks objectively at the past ten years can honestly say that we haven’t done a lot of instigating. In fact, we’ve admitted it here and there. It’s just that we didn’t expect the bully to do THIS! Well, guess bloody what? Bullies sometimes react unpredictably.
It wasn’t unpredictable, it was predictable. Russian state been like it for centuries, we just tend to have too narrow a perspective.
What wasn’t predictable was Zelensky’s action, and his people’s action. What was then slightly less predictable was the US, NATO and EU rallying and solidity.
Thus I would contend you’ve got it fundamentally the wrong way round.
Uh, no. As one who hoped in the early days that Ukraine would respond strongly enough to send Putin’s forces packing, I also quickly saw in the early days that the West would undoubtedly turn this into a proxy war, claiming the higher grould while all the time ignoring the needling that had been done the previous 10 years. Putin may be a b*****d, but let’s not pretend that the West has been pure as the driven snow here.
Uh, no. As one who hoped in the early days that Ukraine would respond strongly enough to send Putin’s forces packing, I also quickly saw in the early days that the West would undoubtedly turn this into a proxy war, claiming the higher grould while all the time ignoring the needling that had been done the previous 10 years. Putin may be a b*****d, but let’s not pretend that the West has been pure as the driven snow here.
It was entirely predictable.
Russia was pushed into corner.
The west is responsible for this.
Indeed.
The largest nation on earth, with a vast, undeveloped hinterland, needed “lebensraum,” by taking Ukraine.
140 million Russians must (and should!) dominate 40 million Ukrainians.
Putin needed NATO to retreat from its present borders–to create NEW borders, still cheek and jowl with NATO.
That this would have involved killing tens of thousands of Ukrainian leaders, and other recalcitrants, and turning Ukraine into a police state for one or two generations, so as to make good Russians of them, is a small price to pay.
Why, oh why did we sacrifice 50 million lives in WW2, when all we had to do was let Japan dominate China and the Pacific, and Germany Europe?
Are WE not the real enemies of peace?
Indeed.
The largest nation on earth, with a vast, undeveloped hinterland, needed “lebensraum,” by taking Ukraine.
140 million Russians must (and should!) dominate 40 million Ukrainians.
Putin needed NATO to retreat from its present borders–to create NEW borders, still cheek and jowl with NATO.
That this would have involved killing tens of thousands of Ukrainian leaders, and other recalcitrants, and turning Ukraine into a police state for one or two generations, so as to make good Russians of them, is a small price to pay.
Why, oh why did we sacrifice 50 million lives in WW2, when all we had to do was let Japan dominate China and the Pacific, and Germany Europe?
Are WE not the real enemies of peace?
Agreed with A and B, but it’s also possible to hold that C) Some in DC were always hoping that the bully *would* do this. Of all parties directly or indirectly involved, who can be said to be the biggest winner so far?
Agreed. Can’t speak for the UK and the EU but there are some in the U.S. who’d like the Cold War to continue indefinitely.
Agreed. Can’t speak for the UK and the EU but there are some in the U.S. who’d like the Cold War to continue indefinitely.
Not every opinion has to be contrarian simply for the sake of it. I’d wager if most people opposed the war and wanted the Ukrainians to surrender then you’d be calling for increased weapons to be sent their way to allow them to fight
There’s nothing contrarian about it. Remember Iraq? Lesson learned (20 years ago).
There’s nothing contrarian about it. Remember Iraq? Lesson learned (20 years ago).
It wasn’t unpredictable, it was predictable. Russian state been like it for centuries, we just tend to have too narrow a perspective.
What wasn’t predictable was Zelensky’s action, and his people’s action. What was then slightly less predictable was the US, NATO and EU rallying and solidity.
Thus I would contend you’ve got it fundamentally the wrong way round.
It was entirely predictable.
Russia was pushed into corner.
The west is responsible for this.
Agreed with A and B, but it’s also possible to hold that C) Some in DC were always hoping that the bully *would* do this. Of all parties directly or indirectly involved, who can be said to be the biggest winner so far?
Not every opinion has to be contrarian simply for the sake of it. I’d wager if most people opposed the war and wanted the Ukrainians to surrender then you’d be calling for increased weapons to be sent their way to allow them to fight
Alas, this seems to be the one issue with which Unherd is decidedly with the Herd. It’s possible simultaneously to hold that A) Putin’s invasion of Ukraine was wrong, and that the way he’s carried out the war (if the media is to be believed) is in many ways evil, AND B) the West, led by America, bears a fair amount of responsibility for this due to our penchant for bear-poking over the past decade.
Putin is undoubtedly a bully, but no one who looks objectively at the past ten years can honestly say that we haven’t done a lot of instigating. In fact, we’ve admitted it here and there. It’s just that we didn’t expect the bully to do THIS! Well, guess bloody what? Bullies sometimes react unpredictably.
Blimey, the pro-Putin trolls are making up in noise what they lack in numbers (like Russia’s Army come to that). Here’s hoping we see Challenger 2 Tanks driving through Donetsk City Centre in a matter of weeks or months.
No pro Putin trolls here.
We want peace.
Check your facts, check the history of Ukraine since 2014.
Stop watching the BBC and reading
Express.
Don’t remain ignorant.
People are dying because of brainwashed people like you.
People are dying because they’re choosing to fight to try and keep their sovereignty, at least for the Ukrainians. I’ll wager the Russians are dying because young poorly trained conscripts have been forced to go to a foreign country and charge at machine guns.
You say you want peace, but what do you think Russia should give up to achieve it? Should they remove their forces from all Ukrainian territory if the Ukrainians promise not to join NATO?
People are dying because they’re choosing to fight to try and keep their sovereignty, at least for the Ukrainians. I’ll wager the Russians are dying because young poorly trained conscripts have been forced to go to a foreign country and charge at machine guns.
You say you want peace, but what do you think Russia should give up to achieve it? Should they remove their forces from all Ukrainian territory if the Ukrainians promise not to join NATO?
Ukraine is already finished. You’ll learn.
If anything, Russia is finished. Putin has sent his most patriotic soldiers to either death or a life of infirmity in pointless and archaic human wave attacks against entrenched positions. Those ultra-right nationalists in groups like Wagner have suffered the same fate. Elsewhere, those Russians in opposition are either cowed, in prison, dead or fled the country.
Ukrainians have Western weapons, training from the Americans and British and the motivation of fighting for hearth and home on their side. Even if Russia were to somehow win on the battlefield, they will never hold onto their prize. Ukraine will bleed them white, just as Afghanistan did.
Just because, after 434 days, the Russian air force has failed to dominate the skies over Ukraine, and lost 100,000+ dead, only means that Putin is luring NATO into a trap.
You have no idea.
You dont appear to be able to string more than a few words together – Unherd expects some basic facts or, at least an attempt at a cogent rebuttal – you are making a t**t of yourself here bro
You dont appear to be able to string more than a few words together – Unherd expects some basic facts or, at least an attempt at a cogent rebuttal – you are making a t**t of yourself here bro
Just because, after 434 days, the Russian air force has failed to dominate the skies over Ukraine, and lost 100,000+ dead, only means that Putin is luring NATO into a trap.
You have no idea.
That’s why Putin cleverly ran from Kyiv, Kharkiv and Kherson. That’s why he ingeniously didn’t freeze Ukraine, and lost 10s of thousands dead, and 100s of thousands wounded…for 30 sq miles around Bakhmut.
And when his army retreats again, he’s only luring NATO into a trap!
Once he reaches the Urals, he will turn and destroy us all…
That is quite incorrect. The trap will be sprung at Kamchatka where he will unleash the Demogorgon, patiently waiting in a gulag…
Oops!
Sorry, got ahead of myself…
Oops!
Sorry, got ahead of myself…
Stop watching the BBC and reading the Express.
You are listening to the wrong people.
Who should we listen to then? Russian State News perhaps?
Who should we listen to then? Russian State News perhaps?
That is quite incorrect. The trap will be sprung at Kamchatka where he will unleash the Demogorgon, patiently waiting in a gulag…
Stop watching the BBC and reading the Express.
You are listening to the wrong people.
I dont think you quite understand that the Ukrainians have decided that they would rather die than become subjugated again – history teaches us that yes they will die in large numbers but that Russia will never again subjugate them – look at the israelis surrounded by 100’s of millions who want them all dead ! The best fighters are always those to whom losing will never ever again be an option !!!
If anything, Russia is finished. Putin has sent his most patriotic soldiers to either death or a life of infirmity in pointless and archaic human wave attacks against entrenched positions. Those ultra-right nationalists in groups like Wagner have suffered the same fate. Elsewhere, those Russians in opposition are either cowed, in prison, dead or fled the country.
Ukrainians have Western weapons, training from the Americans and British and the motivation of fighting for hearth and home on their side. Even if Russia were to somehow win on the battlefield, they will never hold onto their prize. Ukraine will bleed them white, just as Afghanistan did.
That’s why Putin cleverly ran from Kyiv, Kharkiv and Kherson. That’s why he ingeniously didn’t freeze Ukraine, and lost 10s of thousands dead, and 100s of thousands wounded…for 30 sq miles around Bakhmut.
And when his army retreats again, he’s only luring NATO into a trap!
Once he reaches the Urals, he will turn and destroy us all…
I dont think you quite understand that the Ukrainians have decided that they would rather die than become subjugated again – history teaches us that yes they will die in large numbers but that Russia will never again subjugate them – look at the israelis surrounded by 100’s of millions who want them all dead ! The best fighters are always those to whom losing will never ever again be an option !!!
No pro Putin trolls here.
We want peace.
Check your facts, check the history of Ukraine since 2014.
Stop watching the BBC and reading
Express.
Don’t remain ignorant.
People are dying because of brainwashed people like you.
Ukraine is already finished. You’ll learn.
Blimey, the pro-Putin trolls are making up in noise what they lack in numbers (like Russia’s Army come to that). Here’s hoping we see Challenger 2 Tanks driving through Donetsk City Centre in a matter of weeks or months.
Russia’s leadership is now far past delusional.
Their self-attack on the Kremlin seems to be Putin and Gerasimovs’ last desperate attempt to somehow energize Russia’s (entirely inert) masses into fighting for “Rodina.”
But they totally misunderstand their own people. Russia lacks a committed group like the Party to carry out the horrendous measures needed to force Russians to go to certain death against far better-armed opponents. They lack “The Stalinist Conveyor” and can’t create it overnight.
The Price of not creating a Stalinist System.
Indeed, for most of Putin’s career he has been satisfied with small-scale, essentially criminal endeavors in Crimea, Donbas, Syria and Libya. They make money for a few, but don’t add an iota of strength to Russia.
Putin is thus a deeply unserious politician. Given his lack of a successor, he is also the very opposite of a Russian patriot.
When he goes, the whole ramshackle criminal enterprise will collapse.
So, get ready to dig deep to help the Russian people.
This is going to be far worse than the 90s.
Russia’s leadership is now far past delusional.
Their self-attack on the Kremlin seems to be Putin and Gerasimovs’ last desperate attempt to somehow energize Russia’s (entirely inert) masses into fighting for “Rodina.”
But they totally misunderstand their own people. Russia lacks a committed group like the Party to carry out the horrendous measures needed to force Russians to go to certain death against far better-armed opponents. They lack “The Stalinist Conveyor” and can’t create it overnight.
The Price of not creating a Stalinist System.
Indeed, for most of Putin’s career he has been satisfied with small-scale, essentially criminal endeavors in Crimea, Donbas, Syria and Libya. They make money for a few, but don’t add an iota of strength to Russia.
Putin is thus a deeply unserious politician. Given his lack of a successor, he is also the very opposite of a Russian patriot.
When he goes, the whole ramshackle criminal enterprise will collapse.
So, get ready to dig deep to help the Russian people.
This is going to be far worse than the 90s.
Would be interesting to know the background of the article’s author.
Would be interesting to know the background of the article’s author.
Now is the time for peace negotiations. No one wants this war other than the neo-cons and the military industrial complex.
I think you’ve forgotten Putin off your list there to be honest. None of this would be happening without him after all
Of course it would.
The whole conflict was engineered by the west.
None of this would be happening if Trump was President.
The senile old crook Biden is putting the whole world in danger.
Agency & independent decision making do exist outside the west.
Funny how a “senile old crook” seems to be outsmarting Putin at every turn.
You don’t think that this might mean that Putin…is…a little dim himself?
Nope, wouldn’t dream of it!
Agency & independent decision making do exist outside the west.
Funny how a “senile old crook” seems to be outsmarting Putin at every turn.
You don’t think that this might mean that Putin…is…a little dim himself?
Nope, wouldn’t dream of it!
Of course it would.
The whole conflict was engineered by the west.
None of this would be happening if Trump was President.
The senile old crook Biden is putting the whole world in danger.
I agree but most of the British public have been brainwashed just as they were with the COOF.
And somehow you were the one spared SD?
Not somehow.
I do my research.
You should.
Please explain how Putin can recreate the Mass Death used by Stalin to win WW2.
Until we see millions forcibly drafted into the Army…
Until we see 100s of thousands of Russians sent in suicidal attacks all along the front…
Until we see mass starvation of the civilian population to finance the fighting…
Until Putin sends his entire air force on suicidal missions deep into Ukrainian territory…
He is fighting a Deeply Unserious War.
It’s no more than a ridiculous Russian “Boevik” (i.e. War Movie), with a few live casualties.
Same here in the States. Anyone with an ounce of objectivity can simply look at the press coverage and see how ridiculously one-sided it is. That in and of itself ought to raise red flags. We’re getting hosed into thinking this war is a good thing, just like we were hosed into thinking invading Iraq was a good thing. This time it’s worse though, because the anti-war left has gone completely silent.
The narcissism of the conspiratorist to whom only a secret knowledge and insight available a well known psychology condition.
Indeed.
The first step is to determine whether they are a reliable actor, interested in the world…… or if their interest lies in feeling better about themselves – psychological survival. To the latter, conspiracy theories have great appeal, as they feel like a balm to their self-esteem/identity problems. Specifically, conspiracy theories supply certainty in response to overwhelming anxiety (a sure path when one feels lost); prestige, where there are self-esteem problems (‘I possess important information most people do not have) & ability (‘I have the power to reject “experts” and expose hidden cabals’); vindication when one feels besieged (my ‘enemies’ are wrong, morally, scientifically)’; connection when one feels alone (even if it is fighting/trolling); and liberation:, ‘If I imagine my foes are completely malevolent, then I can use any tactic I want’.
Indeed.
The first step is to determine whether they are a reliable actor, interested in the world…… or if their interest lies in feeling better about themselves – psychological survival. To the latter, conspiracy theories have great appeal, as they feel like a balm to their self-esteem/identity problems. Specifically, conspiracy theories supply certainty in response to overwhelming anxiety (a sure path when one feels lost); prestige, where there are self-esteem problems (‘I possess important information most people do not have) & ability (‘I have the power to reject “experts” and expose hidden cabals’); vindication when one feels besieged (my ‘enemies’ are wrong, morally, scientifically)’; connection when one feels alone (even if it is fighting/trolling); and liberation:, ‘If I imagine my foes are completely malevolent, then I can use any tactic I want’.
Please explain how Putin can recreate the Mass Death used by Stalin to win WW2.
Until we see millions forcibly drafted into the Army…
Until we see 100s of thousands of Russians sent in suicidal attacks all along the front…
Until we see mass starvation of the civilian population to finance the fighting…
Until Putin sends his entire air force on suicidal missions deep into Ukrainian territory…
He is fighting a Deeply Unserious War.
It’s no more than a ridiculous Russian “Boevik” (i.e. War Movie), with a few live casualties.
Same here in the States. Anyone with an ounce of objectivity can simply look at the press coverage and see how ridiculously one-sided it is. That in and of itself ought to raise red flags. We’re getting hosed into thinking this war is a good thing, just like we were hosed into thinking invading Iraq was a good thing. This time it’s worse though, because the anti-war left has gone completely silent.
The narcissism of the conspiratorist to whom only a secret knowledge and insight available a well known psychology condition.
Not somehow.
I do my research.
You should.
And somehow you were the one spared SD?
The 1930’s called: they want back their appeasement policy.
The president of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy will soon be backslash for allowing NATO and America mislead him and risk lives of so many innocent civilians of Ukraine.
The strategic move for NATO expansion towards Russuian territory through Ukraine has failed and backfired where people were mowed down, all this is attributable to one power monger country. Gradually, the world will unite against the west that has been supporting America in 5hrir wrong moves to infiltrate other independent states under NATO.
What is happening in Ukraine the Presindent of that country must take the responsibility for all this calamity in the Ukraine territory.
One problem with this analysis is it greatly understates the historical psychology of the Russian state whether under Putin, Stalin or Peter the Great. It’s always perceived itself as an Empire with subservient vassals around it. The idea that it’s NATO that created this just shows a lack of historical understanding. NATO expansion is the inevitable response from Countries desperate to get out from underneath that long history.
Hmmm. I wonder how America would respond if China started becoming a major influencer/controller in all the countries south of the border? Monroe Doctrine for me but not for thee?
NATO expansion is being driven by the West’s own needling. We poke the bear and then tell the kiddies, “Look! Isn’t he dangerous?” Well of course he is, you flippin’ morons! He’s a bear! If it weren’t so tragic it’d be funny.
Hmmm. I wonder how America would respond if China started becoming a major influencer/controller in all the countries south of the border? Monroe Doctrine for me but not for thee?
NATO expansion is being driven by the West’s own needling. We poke the bear and then tell the kiddies, “Look! Isn’t he dangerous?” Well of course he is, you flippin’ morons! He’s a bear! If it weren’t so tragic it’d be funny.
If the Ukrainians genuinely hated Zelensky and held him responsible then the soldiers would simply lay down their arms and allow the Russians to advance to Kyiv surely? Nobody is making Ukraine fight, the west is simply giving them the chance to do so if they wish
Thereby ensuring the destruction of Ukraine.
The vast majority of Ukrainians clearly do not agree with this viewpoint or the huge quantities of Western weapons reaching Ukrainian forces would remain unused.
Without western weapons Ukraine would cease to exist as a sovereign nation, it would be a colony if Russia
Not our problem.
Having an aggressive, expansionist Russia marching up to NATOs borders could very quickly become our problem. Putin apologists seem happy to label the Eastern European nations willingly joining NATO as a provocation as it moves NATO closer to Russias borders, whilst simultaneously defending Putins attempt at moving Russias borders by force towards NATO countries
Nope. Both things can be true simultaneously: Putin could very well have aggressive goals, while NATO expansion is intended as provocation. And it’s highly probably we are being lied to about the latter at least.
So those Eastern European nations shouldn’t be able to decide their own domestic and foreign policy? They should simply be colonies of Russia?
So those Eastern European nations shouldn’t be able to decide their own domestic and foreign policy? They should simply be colonies of Russia?
Nope. Both things can be true simultaneously: Putin could very well have aggressive goals, while NATO expansion is intended as provocation. And it’s highly probably we are being lied to about the latter at least.
Having an aggressive, expansionist Russia marching up to NATOs borders could very quickly become our problem. Putin apologists seem happy to label the Eastern European nations willingly joining NATO as a provocation as it moves NATO closer to Russias borders, whilst simultaneously defending Putins attempt at moving Russias borders by force towards NATO countries
Not our problem.
The vast majority of Ukrainians clearly do not agree with this viewpoint or the huge quantities of Western weapons reaching Ukrainian forces would remain unused.
Without western weapons Ukraine would cease to exist as a sovereign nation, it would be a colony if Russia
Thereby ensuring the destruction of Ukraine.
One problem with this analysis is it greatly understates the historical psychology of the Russian state whether under Putin, Stalin or Peter the Great. It’s always perceived itself as an Empire with subservient vassals around it. The idea that it’s NATO that created this just shows a lack of historical understanding. NATO expansion is the inevitable response from Countries desperate to get out from underneath that long history.
If the Ukrainians genuinely hated Zelensky and held him responsible then the soldiers would simply lay down their arms and allow the Russians to advance to Kyiv surely? Nobody is making Ukraine fight, the west is simply giving them the chance to do so if they wish
The president of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy will soon be backslash for allowing NATO and America mislead him and risk lives of so many innocent civilians of Ukraine.
The strategic move for NATO expansion towards Russuian territory through Ukraine has failed and backfired where people were mowed down, all this is attributable to one power monger country. Gradually, the world will unite against the west that has been supporting America in 5hrir wrong moves to infiltrate other independent states under NATO.
What is happening in Ukraine the Presindent of that country must take the responsibility for all this calamity in the Ukraine territory.
Sadly, 40 million Ukrainians also seem pretty keen on this war.
Maybe you can stop them.
But I wouldn’t get in their way.
The only way they lose is if hostilities cease. If the fighting continues they win, no matter which side eventually comes out on top. And they’re willing to throw Ukraine to the wolves in the process.
I think you’ve forgotten Putin off your list there to be honest. None of this would be happening without him after all
I agree but most of the British public have been brainwashed just as they were with the COOF.
The 1930’s called: they want back their appeasement policy.
Sadly, 40 million Ukrainians also seem pretty keen on this war.
Maybe you can stop them.
But I wouldn’t get in their way.
The only way they lose is if hostilities cease. If the fighting continues they win, no matter which side eventually comes out on top. And they’re willing to throw Ukraine to the wolves in the process.
Now is the time for peace negotiations. No one wants this war other than the neo-cons and the military industrial complex.
Some people cannot handle the truth.
Unless Zelenskyy sits down and negotiates, Ukraine will be completely destroyed.
The western media is lying about almost everything they claim is true.
Losses are 7 to 1 or even 10 to 1 in Russia’s favour.
Ukraine is running out of men,running out of cannon fodder.
Ukraine has no chance defeating Russia and of course the warmongers in Washington do not want a resolution.
Bonkers.
That’s right.
You just ignore the facts, the reality and the history of this conflict.
Day 434 of the War.
Russia has lost its entire regular army.
And Kyiv, Kharkiv, Kherson, etc.
Now it will lose the rest of Ukraine, to include Krym.
And soon, when Putin falls.
Russia will lose Russia.
You couldn’t be more wrong.
I always find it amazing that people who don’t trust the MSM on virtually anything else are all onboard with it on this issue. Very strange.
I always find it amazing that people who don’t trust the MSM on virtually anything else are all onboard with it on this issue. Very strange.
You couldn’t be more wrong.
Day 434 of the War.
Russia has lost its entire regular army.
And Kyiv, Kharkiv, Kherson, etc.
Now it will lose the rest of Ukraine, to include Krym.
And soon, when Putin falls.
Russia will lose Russia.
That’s right.
You just ignore the facts, the reality and the history of this conflict.
Lol, this war makes Russia’s performance in the Winter War of 1939-40 look like Alexander’s conquests by comparison.
Bonkers.
Lol, this war makes Russia’s performance in the Winter War of 1939-40 look like Alexander’s conquests by comparison.
Some people cannot handle the truth.
Unless Zelenskyy sits down and negotiates, Ukraine will be completely destroyed.
The western media is lying about almost everything they claim is true.
Losses are 7 to 1 or even 10 to 1 in Russia’s favour.
Ukraine is running out of men,running out of cannon fodder.
Ukraine has no chance defeating Russia and of course the warmongers in Washington do not want a resolution.