We were first properly introduced to the Intellectual Dark Web in 2018, when the New York Times columnist Bari Weiss published a long essay on the loose alliance of thinkers and commentators who rose to prominence by kicking back against the Left-wing shibboleths of the college campus and the liberal dinner party. Weiss noted that its members “share three distinct qualities”: a willingness to “disagree ferociously, but talk civilly, about nearly every meaningful subject” along with a resistance to “parroting what’s politically convenient” — which, she argued, some had paid for “by being purged from institutions that have become increasingly hostile to unorthodox thought”.
A new book on the IDW takes a dimmer view of these above-the-fray intellectuals who claim to be motivated by hostility to ideological orthodoxy. Indeed, Against the Web: A Cosmopolitan Answer to the New Right is the most substantial critique of the IDW and its brand of ‘classical liberalism’ to date.
The book’s author is Michael Brooks, an American political YouTuber and a socialist. For Brooks, the IDW use a veneer of ‘reason’ and ‘science’ to justify prevailing inequalities. In a context where Donald Trump is the occupant of the White House and neo-liberal capitalism remains dominant (Jeff Bezos is forecast to become the world’s first trillionaire by 2026), the IDW’s cringeworthy posturing as a “persecuted minority” is glib and largely vacuous, in Brooks’s telling. As Brooks writes, the IDW “brand themselves as unclassifiable renegades even as they all share elements of an unmistakable anti-left agenda”.
The IDW’s lodestar is Jordan Peterson, the Canadian clinical psychologist and self-help guru who likes to talk about hierarchies and gender differences while dissecting Left-wing totalitarianism for the YouTube generation. Peterson has been preaching the same material for years. Yet he only truly gained prominence in 2016 following a campus row over pronouns for transgender students. The campus Left went berserk and Peterson started getting invited onto popular talk shows to rail earnestly against “post-modern Neo-Marxists”.
Yet as time went on, what the ‘renegades’ of the Intellectual Dark Web were really reneging on was their previous commitment to the Left. As Brooks writes, “[the IDW] generate their audience by publishing a neverending stream of ‘oh my God, look at these leftists being crazy’ articles”.
Aside from Ben Shapiro, a religious conservative who refers to abortion as “killing babies”, the IDW is largely made up of former liberals who have been “mugged by reality”, in Irving Kristol’s famous phrase, even if they nowadays often sound indistinguishable from what Brooks describes as “old school reactionaries”. Dave Rubin was once a member of the progressive Young Turks network who today decries “oppression Olympics”. Sam Harris is a fellow New Atheist ‘Horseman’ and one-time supporter of Hillary Clinton who conducts thought experiments on torture and a nuclear first strike against Iran. Meanwhile Jordan Peterson implores readers of his bestselling book, 12 Rules for Life, to “Set your house in perfect order before you criticise the world”.
Underlying much of this, Brooks argues, is an acceptance of prevailing inequalities — economic, gender, and racial — as natural. The IDW’s leading lights uncritically defend capitalism while drawing on biology and the dreary science of ‘IQ’ to bolster the status quo. They aim to “naturalize or mythologize historically contingent power relations”, as Brooks puts it. Behind every one of Peterson’s self-help homilies is an unbending fealty to the status quo. Hierarchies are hard-wired because lobsters follow them. Gender differences are real because women gravitate towards people and men towards things. Envy and resentment at the success of others will rot your soul. Oh, and stand up straight and make your damn bed.
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SubscribeA lot to unpack here.
Are the stars of the IDW so in favour of Trump? Of the ones mentioned in the article, I know Sam Harris loathes Trump, Peterson is not pro-Trump, Rubin is not pro-Trump… Shapiro likes to say that he’s pro-Trump when Trump does something good – usually economic, or rolling back abortion rights – and anti-Trump when he does something stupid.
Perhaps if there were fewer crazy articles by leftists…
Sam Harris the most reasonable, rational person I’ve ever heard speak. He conducts a lot of thought experiments as a way of exploring morality. There’s nothing wrong with that, whatever the subject of the thought experiment is.
This is because Peterson is first and foremost a clinical psychologist, so his primary concern is how to improve people’s lives. He wants individuals to maximise their potential and lead fulfilling lives, and he believes he knows which strategies help achieve these goals. He is convinced that the act of taking responsibility leads to a meaningful life. Conversely, ideologies which release people from personal responsibility can lead to negative behavioural phenomena.
Whereas many people on the left, especially the far left, seem to think that fulfilling lives will only be possible once political objectives are achieved, mainly equality of outcome/socialism/communism, depending on the person’s particular ideology.
Yes, the intolerant students who practise and thrill to cancel culture, no-platforming and bans on “hate speech” have little real power now – but many of these students are from privileged backgrounds and will find it no problem to step into positions of power – in newspapers, the media, in politics.
Why should we rely on them checking their authoritarianism at the door when they step into positions of real power? That is mere wishful thinking.
Good post.
Yep good point, well picked up point on Sam Harris. Bloodworth is trying to do a hatchet job on him to insinuate he belongs to this sinister ‘IDW’ group when actually, as you say, Harris is a very reasonable and rational thinker and one of the brightest minds out there. Disappointing journalism.
Well put. I thought most of this was garbage actually. Was that too concise?
The book sounds like a lightweight hatchet job by a writer without the depth of understanding to wrap his head around the complex ideas being promulgated by a number of contemporary thinkers.
Peterson’s principal point is that the most important improvements one can make are to oneself. Politics is a far distant second. The left seem to hate this with a passion – probably because it’s unanswerably true.
“Politics is a far distant second”
This is exactly the point, the lefty intellectuals clearly don’t want, or even see the value of, independent, courageous, self realising individuals; frightened, dependent, whining victims are their constituancy.
“Intellectuals are naturally attracted by the idea of a planned society, in the belief that they will be in charge of it.”
“• Roger Scruton, Fools, Frauds and Firebrands: Thinkers of the New Left
To group people together as “IDW”, or “lefty intellectuals”, or whatever, implies a coherence and uniformity which don’t apply. People are much more varied than that. It suits people who find it hard to deal with the subtleties of life, but there you go…
Spot on Matthew.
Of course it’s not “unanswerably true”. Many people are held back from the ability to improve themselves by problems and obstacles that public policy can help remove. Politics is how we decide on those public policies. If we want to encourage people to improve themselves, politics is the most important way – not least because it is the expression of a free society in which people can improve themselves. Far too much “self help” is shallow and selfish, bordering on the narcissism that Peterson often rails against.
One of his most interesting messages, I find, is that everything contains contradictions – and that this is enriching – and it applies also to his own work.
Perfect.
The whole tidy your house thing is something I’d like to mention where the article reads that someones house may not be in order due to the condition of the world.
This argument is so pathetic I laughed; especially due to the fact this journalist probably doesn’t live in a war torn country of any stretch of the imagination.
Politics comes a close second however, I do believe Peterson may take a slight influence from traditional Conservative thinkers on the idea that property and land equates to power. If you take pride in your property you will therefore take pride in the things around you causing other property to be respected I.e. the world.
If you don’t value your bedroom or your house or most importantly the things that mean something to you and don’t make a concise and conscious effort to improve those things then your ability to improve yourself is severely limited let alone the world.
Well I have watched a lot of Peterson, Harris et al on YouTube (which is hardly the Dark Web) and although I don’t always enjoy Peterson’s manner they mostly talk perfect sense, certainly relative to anything to be found in the MSM or conventional politics. And they are not necessarily anti-left, at least in an economic sense. (Harris is mainly concerned with disproving or destroying religion, which one could say is a very leftist position).
I suspect that Peterson’s books might be a little bonkers and probably a lot longer than they need to be. And I wish he wouldn’t keep banging on about the to the bible, which is all bonkers if you ask me. But the core message of ‘pull your socks up’ is reasonable. The problem is that our hopeless, know-nothing, teach-nothing state education systems, along with our globalized, financialized, winner-takes-all economic structures, do indeed make it difficult for some people to make their way in life.
Those state education systems are too rotten to be fixed and you are currently seeing the results in Democrat-run cities all over the US, and to some extent in Britain and elsewhere.
“But the core message of ‘pull your socks up’ is reasonable.”
As the article says, the problem is that it is shallow and hypocritical if they don’t actually hold their own allies on the Right to the standard of pulling their socks up.
Education systems can always be improved, but I think it’s expecting too much for them to take on kids already dealing with a variety of social ills and compensate for “our globalized, financialized, winner-takes-all economic structures” which also are a major factor in those social ills. We have to address those economic structures as education alone can’t solve the problems they cause.
Much of it has to do with ‘parenting’ or the lack thereof which happens across all classes. As a parent of private school children in NYC, I found myself feeling bad for the so-called ‘privileged white’ kids whose parents had the housekeeper put dinner on the table while they ran out to restaurants. The pervasive neglect amongst rich, upper east side folk could be equated with the ghetto mom who couldn’t be home to put dinner on the table because she worked overtime or was too exhausted to do it. People should be licensed to have kids.
Can’t wait to see licensing terms and conditions…
Hmm. I suspect you are male. Try being female and listening to the supercilious, patronising tones of Peterson and you will likely turn off the tube/radio or whatever platform he appears on. His droning and largely incoherent platitudes are what we have been accustomed to hearing from men for far too long.
Notwithstanding that it is quite impossible to become female to listen to it differently (therefore a moot point). But point taken that from another perspective it might come across different.
I have not seen many of his videos, and tried reading ’12 Rules for Life’ (lent from a female friend as it happens) but found it not that interesting or remarkable and quite awkwardly written in parts.
However I came across him first when he picked apart Cathy Newman. If you have not seen that interview i recommend it. He is very calm and coherent when being “Paxo’d” by Newman, who is the bullying patronising party. It is nothing but very, very embarrassing for Newman, and cringing to watch.
It is commonly asserted that Newman “lost” in that interview, but the purpose of an interview is not to win or lose. She did an excellent job of putting all the stupid points that the globalists were thinking, and giving him the opportunity to respond. In short an excellent interview by an excellent interviewer. In all supposedly thinking circles there is far too much of this win/lose, us/them mentality. Please grow up everyone!
In general I agree with the point – I think discourse would be far better if the combative win/lose “gotcha” style was dropped.
That particular interview is not the point to make this on though. Until seeing that interview I would have wholeheartedly agreed with you on Newman’s general ability as an interviewer. I was wrong.
What’s so embarrassing is that she is trying to skewer him at all costs and failing at every turn – on a few occasions she ties herself in knots and literally gets lost for words. Furthermore her post interview backlash removes any shred of doubt that she was exposed as a biased interviewer as she doubles down on what she was trying to do.
I’ll be generous and assume from your comment that you have not seen the interview or at the very least are unaware of her post-interview attempt to defend her conduct.
Indeed – I am making your point – there is only one person in that interview who’s trying to win at all costs – and it’s Newman
She made a total arse of herself! I am no Peterson fan but her technique consistded entirely of misrepresenting his views by saying “so you think …….” and Peterson calmly correcting her.
You are a saint to give her the benefit of good intention. I am too long in the tooth and know she is a classical example of what is wrong with the MSM
Try being male and listening to the supercilious, patronising tone of Harriet Harmen, Afua Hirsch and so many others. Nobody can match them for droning incoherence. On the other hand, we can access on YouTube wonderful female speakers such as Candace Owens and Katherine Birbalsingh, who will never be given a voice in the MSM.
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I see you, Titania.
Is it just Mr Peterson’s tone that you find unappealing or are there particular views of his to which you object?
You’re clearly not Peterson’s audience, but for younger men who have had little ‘life guidance’ he has had a huge following & impact. Peterson did not plan this, in fact he often expresses surprise as to what his ‘audience’ turned out to be.
I remember when I, a WOMAN, went to see Dr. Peterson speak in Detroit. There were many people, young and old, white and black, male and female. But keep making ridiculous sexist comments, it sure does make you look smhart!
As a woman and an old 70s feminist, can I beg you not to make those sweeping dismissive generalisations about men. You do not help the cause. You just make women seem bigoted and bitter. And to the fellow above who dismissed the Bible as “all bonkers”, I beg you to set said everything else and read just the Gospel according to Matthew. The Bible is a complex document charting the history of not one but two religions. But if you cannot find words of extraordinary beauty and wisdom in Matthew, plus the incredible and symbolic story of the power of sacrifice and love, then you are not the man I take you for from the many words you have written on these Unheard articles.
Well I would try being female but as I’m a man that is a biological impossibility despite what “trans women” claim
Pot calling the kettle back if we can permit such metaphors now.
Pot calling the kettle back if we can permit such metaphors now. Inadvertently self censored?
I always enjoy listening to him and many of my female friends do too. His discussion of transcendence with Roger Scruton is hard to beat.
Leti, I am definitely male and also definitely turned off by his droning and waffly drivelling, and that is even though I agree with just about all he says in opposition to the looney globalists.
Why is it that if your female you can be downright sexist. Imagine if I said Hmm. I suspect your female. As a single dad with 3 daughters living inner city in a wealthy first world country I witness the privileges my girls take advantage of from living in a fairly equitable and tolerant society. Studying law, playing football etc etc. Having lived in India and Africa and worked with a women’s shelter you can not tell me that my girls are oppressed. The women there were, that was self evident from the burns from being set on fire. The only patronizing person is you Leti. If you want to make a real difference for women why not use that extra energy productively, instead of being hateful, and use that energy to help the millions of women in places without such advantage. with real issues. Open up an Atlas and get started.
Despite the fact that many women DO listen to him. Just the wrong type..right? Ie not left wing enough.
“know-nothing, teach-nothing”? You missed out “chronically overworked and underfunded”.
Textbook strawmanning. Set up a group (‘the IDW’) which never existed beyond a flip comment by Eric Weinstein plus a piece of New York Times ‘journalism’, and then claim that this non-existent entity has failed to achieve its non-existent goals.
All the people referenced have their own ideas and trajectories, and trying to paint them as some semi-involved group is standard ‘progressive’ tactics.
First, let me just say how impressed I am, as a retired professor of philosophy, by the cogency of the arguments made by so many of the posters here. There are only two points more left for me to contribute.
First, one of the points that the writer attempts to refute is Peterson’s apparent claim that “hierarchies are hard wired because lobsters follow them.” But this is not what Peterson is arguing, even though many on the left would wish to reduce his argument to that simplistic notion. What he actually argues is that hierarchies are not socially constructed, but very much part of the evolutionary inheritance of many species, including, potentially, human beings.
Now this seems to be a fairly straightforward, empirical claim subject to ethnographic and anthropological research. If it turns out to be true for human beings, then we can decide, politically, how to deal with our innate nature. But many on the left would rather take up a cugel to beat Patterson, deliberately misconstruing his point, rather than admit that human beings, like every other organism on the planet, are subject to our evolutionary history. This, of course, is the nature-nurture debate in modern guise, a debate the extreme left is loathe to engage in because, if they lost, it would undermine their entire ideology.
Better, apparently, to mock that which you refuse to understand than engage in an adult debate- rather like the tactic employed by Newman in her failed attempt to discredit Peterson in that famous interview. When the extreme left can’t win through rational debate, they turn to ad hominem invective, as much of Bloodwoth’s “analysis” in this article demonstrates.
Second, Bloodworth mocks Peterson’s attempt to help young men attain a sense of agency by giving them some fairly common-sense advice about getting their house in order before attempting to becoming activists.
Now this is surely good advice. Without wishing to indulge in ad hominem attacks myself, I suspect that many people who become activists are really enacting their own private psychological issues on a larger stage, exteriorizing their own neuroses in an attempt to allieviate their own confusion. Of course this doesn’t mean they’re wrong to oppose social injustice, only that they should first be clear on their motives for doing so, lest their activism spirals into tyranny.
But the irrational anger directed towards Peterson for simply telling young men to grow up and take responsibility seems to be based on darker motives. Over the past 50 years, we have been witness to the attempt by some feminists to undermine the “patriarchy” by undermining men psychologically, depriving them of agency and dignity in order to overcome their political and economic dominance (both of which are better explained by sociobiological theory than by the social-construct hypothesis).
From that perspective, disparaging Petersen for telling young men to grow up and take responsibility seems to be a push-back against any attempt to empower men as psychologically healthy human beings, a motive which is beyond despicable. How else to explain, however, the “toxic masculinity” meme which has now seized many members of the academy?
No wonder so many young men feel as if university, and humanities departments in particular, are no longer healthy environments for young men, particularly when Title 9 has been used to deprive them of their human right to due process.
Bloodworth’s analysis fails for the same reason as so many of the extreme left’s arguments fail: a refusal to deal with issues honestly and respectfully, instead using ad hominem arguments and willful misrepresentation, deliberately employing strawman arguments and condescending talking points rather than adult engagement.
This article laments the fact that the Left has alienated potential voters with their authoritarianism and identity politics – as if these are minor cosmetic things. The modern left is everything they pretend to loath, they are the establishment, they are the mob, they are the racists, they are the thugs, they are the oppressors. Brooks and Bloodworth seem to know this, but prefer to shoot the messengers.
“the “snowflake” fanaticism, which originally seemed laughable is not so funny now that graduates have fanned out into wider society”
Yes, both the book and the article do seem to be particularly badly timed. I can’t see it topping the best seller list, which seems to be pretty full of “comic turbulence” at the moment.
Various IDW folks could quite justifiably be saying “we told you it was serious” right now.
I am reminded of Christopher Hitchens here when he would respond to accusations of being anti-Islamic; his issue with Islam at the time was that forms of that particular religion were the most dangerous and prevalent issue to hand, not that it was intrinsically worse than any other religion. It was the nearest crocodile to the canoe. Whilst a few in the “IDW” group might happily be described as anti-left, I think the main reason they all are focusing on the left is because at this time it is where the main issue – identity politics – has its home.
Both the writer of this piece and the book’s author fail to understand that distinction. From your perspective everyone will look quite ‘right wing’ or ‘similar’ because you are out on a fringe.
I am not that familiar with all of the IDW members, but with just a casual glance there is some clear distinctions between them. To name just one you have a couple of quite religious types (Shapiro, Petersen) plus a very vocal Atheist (Harris). There is a lot of matter that this group would disagree on. What seems to be the issue (for you, not them) is that they have dared to criticise the religion of identity politics – a singular issue that they are united on.
And finally there is an irony in all of this. On the one hand many liberal/left-wing people are exasperated by Trump and/or Brexit, asking “why does this keep happening?”. Groups like the IDW and others are actively answering that for them. Don’t call anyone who doesn’t agree 100% with you racist (or anything “ist”). Don’t shut down debate on things because you think you have decided the matter on behalf of everyone else.
That doesn’t mean they have to be agreed with, but too many opposed to them simply refuse to listen and try and understand the counter arguments on merit. The very nature of Cancel Culture is just that.
Very well said. Jordan Peterson could dismantle Bloodworth’s rubbish quicker than it took Bloodworth to write the first paragraph.
Six months undercover in low wage Britain. Try years of it like most of us, most assuredly not undercover. No book, no platform. Standard stuff, put reason and science in scare quotes. More strawmen than a minimum wage strawman factory. I would defy anyone to watch the Radio 5 piece where Peterson talks to the young guys in the boxing gym, and say he doesnt care, or is merely posturing.Given the current situation, it is a sad state, where someone who clearly has been successful in his field, and who clearly wants to help people in their lives, is smeared. And those campus politics, now on a high street near you, in nowheresville.
Rules for Radicals, number thirteen. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.” Yup, you guys do that.
Yep. This is exactly what they do. They would always sooner run someone’s life than have a sensible discussion, which is one of the reasons why the woke appear so intellectually weak.
Another failed attempt at a hit job from a very mediocre left wing journalist
Bloodworth and Brooks have fallen for the shallow and myopic interpretation of the tension between what they term IDW and the misdirected Neo-Marxists. Petersonians don’t accept current inequalities but see them in correct terms in order to devise the right policies to ameliorate society. The Left is intellectually bankrupt, first due to 100 years of real life experiences that drove even hard core communist China to seek salvation in the free market in the 1970s in order to avoid own genocide. Then, socialists re-cooked history following the collapse of the Evil Empire. They roped in partners in crime such as the anti-hierarchists, or anarchists by another name, who want to levelise societies to the lowest common denominator. Civil society built on the humanly solid foundation of freedom of exchange is mindlessly accused of being inequal-result oriented. Decent societies value each individual and seek to give them equal opportunity but leave the outcome to free choice. The Neo-Marxists see that as exploitation yet their proposed solution is imposition of group terrorisation. Bloodworth fails to see the simple binary offer: Freedom to choose with human dignity or equalisation of the masses in a levelled grave of inhumanity.
Brooks and those who fail to see free choice and free market as the natural order of human life commit the same mistake: underestimate that natural order and overestimate alternative socio-politico-economic constructs. The natural order always wins as it uplifts the human spirit and desire to achieve private goods and by extension public good. I value my child’s life so i will do everything to ensure a future society that will be kind and abundant for them. Alternative constructs do not value my child’s life but elevate some other pagan gods as worthy of my sacrifice of my child’s life and future. Of course they will eventually fail because I will rip their heads off at every chance to protect my child.
The only thing we need to be excruciatingly aware of is that in their failure they don’t manage to take down our entire decent society with them for that generation. Decent humans will be able to rebuild free society but there can be tragic losses for a time in that temporary collapse of civilisation. Western democracies that are built on free choice and individual worth must stand firm and not give Neo-Marxists and anarchists any quarters in our defence of what we have achieved. It’s not perfect admittedly but that’s why we thrive every day to make it better for our children and not tear it down to satisfy the Left’s animalistic impulses.
Im sorry but this article and book by the sound of it misrepresents the attitudes and conversations being had in the IDW space. This is all too common. The general angle of these people is to be honest about facts even if you don’t like how it sounds or they make you uncomfortable, because if you’re not starting with honesty everything conclusion you reach after that is almost guaranteed be dogsh*t. It’s simply factually untrue that they have nothing to say about the Right, you can for example listen to many, many hours of just Harris weighing in on that topic. It’s understandably difficult to separate Bret Weinstein from the culture wars after the events at Evergreen College, an appalling example, and neat precursor, to current event around the world and worth anyone not familiar with it looking further in to. Apart from Shapiro (and Rubin who I’m not even sure is considered part of the group) they are all obviously left leaning. Its easy to see why people on the far left want to reduce and discredit these people, because having your bad ideas dissected and exposed by intelligent and articulate speakers leaves the stupid ideology nowhere to hide.
The author says: “it seems especially self-serving to pose as a purveyor of ‘unorthodox thought’ … all the while saying very little about the moral abominations of the Trump Presidency”.
It would be hard to find anyone more critical of Trump than Sam Harris.
I suspect the author of this review has little acquaintance with the work of Harris, Eric and Bret Weinstein, Bari Weiss et al, beyond a few opinion pieces in the Guardian.
Correct. Harris is centre left (for the US) and hates Trump with a passion but he also hates identity politics, which seems a reasonable position to me….
I really enjoy Peterson as an original thinker
His reinterpretation of Biblical stories in the light of human evolutionary behaviour is new-for instance……
If the 10 commandments were evolved over thousands of years of human evolution ie a successful policy-it would be a wise man to proceed carefully before throwing them all overboard
He returns Personal responsibility into the equation ie Responsibilities as well as Rights -not before time
He is for reasoned polite debate-something we see too little of
His pointing out of the fact that the left currently has no red lines ie anything goes is prescient (Mr Starmer seems to have realised this)-not a viable policy
I could go on
The way people are now voting and the leaders they are electing show that the liberal view is under pressure
Peterson also warned of a a backlash if the looney left were given their head
An interesting and original guy!
Last paragraph is spot on. The spread of this into the corporate world is terrifying.
The passion of youth may be drawn to the left which highlights social anomalies and injustices. The arrogance of youth is to assume that no one else sees it (or does not care). The impatience of youth promotes forced “solutions” as the only possible way forward, and the blindness of youth is disregard for the wider consequences.
The folly of the ageing leftists is that they never outgrow the arrogance, impatience and blindness, while their passion has morphed into tired faux outrage, puritanical joylessness, and the snideness of shrivelled souls.
Oh Wow. Beautifully expressed and so on point.
Mainly this is James Bloodworth telling us what Michael Brooks has to say.
Unfortunately the term “IDW” is as vague as “the Left”. Indeed, Bari Weiss writes, “What is the I.D.W. and who is a member of it? It’s hard to explain, which is both its beauty and its danger. Most simply, it is a collection of iconoclastic thinkers, academic renegades and media personalities who are having a rolling conversation ” on podcasts, YouTube and Twitter, and in sold-out auditoriums ” that sound unlike anything else happening, at least publicly, in the culture right now.”
Conversations according to Bloodworth that say, “…very little about the moral abominations of the Trump Presidency.” Perhaps that is the point of difference?
1. The “Intellectual Dark Web” is a poor term whose function is to throw mud at everyone who doesn’t agree with the Left or the mainstream Media. It says nothing at all about the individuals so labelled.
2. For example, I can’t stand Ben Shapiro and find Sam Harris’ atheism somewhat boring, but find Peterson’s talks very good and thought-provoking overall.
3. Yes, there are a lot of “self-help” annoying videos of Peterson in YouTube.
4. Yes, his fans may be somewhat annoying occasionaly, and there are a bunch of racists who are searching for any support they can find for their stupid theories, but the first are people who never had serious help from their communities and the second can use Peterson only if they ignore his core message.
5. Finally, to say that Peterson’s work is “empty” makes no sense at all. He has given a lot of talks about mythology, psychology and the bible which are all very interesting.
PS: praising the communist 1917 revolution, which resulted in the death of millions, is much “darker” than talking about lobsters… a fact that has the reviewer seems unable to grasp.
I saw Peterson speak a couple years back and these were my take-aways:
#1 Life is brutal. Most of your dreams will not come true. Your heart will be broken. You will eventually lose the people closest to you. Evil people will forever prey on the weak. You will helplessly stand by as your parents wither away. And in the end, it will be your turn. No one here gets out alive.
#2 Given these inescapable truths about life, do you want to raise children who are warriors, prepared for a life of adversity, or children who are stopped in their tracks because some people don’t approve of their lifestyle? Do you want to raise children who say “You don’t think that I can handle real pressure? Bring it on”, or do you want to raise children who say “My boss called me an idiot and I’m going to file a grievance with human resources.”
#3 The way you handle life’s adversity is what gives your life meaning. It’s what defines you. Not everyone is going to get a trophy, but when you get the trophy, you will have earned it.
Is it just a coincidence that this trashing of Canada’s most famous intellectual is published on our national holiday, Dominion Day? I hope so.
James is a little vague about what got Peterson’s career going: he “likes to talk about hierarchies and gender differences while dissecting Left-wing totalitarianism”. In fact, Peterson’s meteoric rise to international stardom really started with our social engineering Canadian Liberal government proposing Bill C-16, which added gender identity and gender expression as categories in the Human Rights Act, and in the Criminal Act allowed crimes committed based on gender identity and gender expression to be treated as hate crimes. Peterson responded to the threatened legislation, which was passed a year later with a series of brilliant YouTube videos in October 2016 starting with one called “Professor Against Political Correctness”. Like a lot of Canadians, I missed these at the time, and first saw Peterson when TV Ontario’s The Agenda put him on a panel with four other people on October 23, 2016. It was obviously intended to be a Jordan Peterson roast. The other panelists, who were obscure then and haven’t become less obscure since, seemed hand-picked to excoriate Peterson. Unfortunately, for Steve Paikin, the host, one plucky British Columbia who had transitioned from man to woman, Theryn Meyer, refused to play along, and consistently took Peterson’s side. Undeterred, Steve, who called the controversy over the Peterson videos a “conflagration”, read out several incoming tweets on the issue that all trashed Peterson. It all failed dismally. Instead of being crushed, Peterson emerged a hero, prevailing by sheer force of intellect, courage and conviction over his detractors. Sadly, The Agenda have never once had Peterson back in the following close to four years as he has risen to be Canada’s best known intellectual. It’s basically a house organ of our governing Liberal Party so it’s perhaps not surprising it won’t give a platform to a thinker who doesn’t believe in the Liberals’ woke agenda.
I agree with your last paragraph. The only power that fanatical authoritarian students can wield is in the context of their universities, so they try to no-platform, they try to disrupt talks by speakers they don’t approve of etc.
But what guarantee is there that they will lose their authoritarian streak when they move out into the world and some of them attain positions of power?
It comes down to a discussion of ‘human nature’ which Leftists/Marxists/Socialists abhore and the IDW embraces.
Yes, and they abhor even more the discussion of differences in nature due to sex, culture, ethnicity, race, temperament etc, or the celebration of the richness of these differences. The grayness of their utopia makes me shudder.
Why does it seem to be nearly impossible for a journalist in almost any rag out there to present a fair and accurate picture of Jordan Peterson? All we ever get is an invidious caricature that totally fails to represent who he is and what he stands for. It is extremely poor, it makes me distrust journalism as a profession, and the only reason I find myself engaging with it is to try in my small way to push back on its shallowness and reflex groupthink.
Perhaps we don’t see accurate and fair picture is that aren’t any journalist up to the task of actually comprehending what he says and critiquing it?
Could be. I tend to think a lot of it is unprofessional laziness, to just go along with what is already said about him by colleagues, combined with an ideological predisposition to simply agree with what is said because out of group-think. He’s the enemy, the boogie man, so he must be smeared.
Because journalists are now extremely dim and largely very unpleasant. As Tim Pool said recently, the average journalist is now more stupid than the average member of the pubic. This is why most of us have given up on the MSM.
“have thrived off the back of an overblown fear, particularly prevalent in the United States, of a resurgent Socialism.”
Wow, you can say that while people are running around tearing down statues and forming communist autonomous zones in the middle of metropolitan cities. Far from being “overblown”, it looks they were far too optimistic.
A minor point but this was odd:
Surely thought experiments on torture is the more acceptable/proffered method for any particular research into that? Also that sentence is telling us that Sam Harris personally conducts nuclear first strikes against Iran; I doubt that’s what you meant. We’d probably have noticed that.
Given the sneering, pompous tone of the article it seems you’ve already satisfied yourself with the answer to your own question raised in the title.
It’s worthwhile to point out to someone ruminating, with no evidence, incidentally, that Jordan Peterson might fall for some Eastern European autocrat because he objects to identity politics, that the Black Lives Matters movement is neither powerless nor is it seeking justice: it is a terrorist group that advocates cop-killing; whose members have slaughtered a baker’s dozen police; that deifies prolific cop-killer Assata Shakur, even running pro-cop-killing clubs for underage girls, called Assata’s Daughters; that is given unjust and unique latitide to break laws enforced against other political protesters, and that in fact has so much cultural power that merely criticizing their credo is career suicide, or would be if all the people with the balls and brains to do so hadn’t already been purged for other intellectual sins.
In other words, your critique of “power” is lacking. However, I agree that Ben Shapiro seems like an insufferable twit.
Insufferable Shapiro may be -ie not to everyone’s taste, but a twit he most certainly is not. I would suggest brave, articulate and very well informed as adjectives better suited.
And both Churchill and Hitler liked painting. Any other non-sequiturs? Have no idea what this really adds James, even as a joke.
Peterson is pro the sovereignty of the individual. He is also an advocate of less top down governance and less regulation.
Can’t see what is wrong with that.
Anyone using the stupid phrase “Intellectual Dark Web” or the acronym IDW, with a straight face as if it were a serious conceptual category representing any kind of “alliance” is simply an intellectually unserious shill for the Left.
I agree, however the “IDW” did bring it on themselves (at least Eric Weinstein) with their coinage of the term. People these days are just waiting to ideologically identify people, so the bait was too irresistible.
Ben Shapiro, refers to abortion as “killing babies” – well he is correct. You can be for it or against it but at least identify what it is.
Killing embryos or, rarely, fetuses would be much more accurate.
The fundamental mistake most critics make (including fanatical socialist Brooks) is to frame the IDW as “right” or “anti-left. This is quite hilarious even if you just take Harris and the Weinstein brothers. Even Peterson is far more left than right. The whole point of the IDW was to transcend the now largely meaningless battle between the right and the left. It’s just that the Left are the ones who seem so threatened by the IDW’s freedom from this anachronistic dichotomy and so the IDW is cornered into defending themselves against them all the time. The fundamental mistake the IDW made was Eric Weinstein’s overly clever coinage of “IDW” to describe these loosely related people (and I suspect originally just a facetious half-truth – not something to be used monolithically). Labelling themselves as a group immediately opened them up to pigeon-holing and ridicule.
Aside from Ben Shapiro, a religious conservative who refers to abortion as “killing babies”,
What do you refer to it as? Preventing Humans?
How about “aborting embryos”?
And what is an embryo? I define it as a human life. Hat form of life do you define it as?
I define it as an embryo. And given the choice between keeping an embryo or a grown woman alive, I’ll take the woman anytime.
So in the other 99.9% of cases where the mother isn’t at threat from death or serious injury you agree it’s wrong? Or is your hypothesised moral dilemma merely a misdirection?
no I don’t agree it’s wrong. not at all. I don’t believe in laws outlawing abortion. Period. And it should be noted: just because the law doesn’t outlaw abortion doesn’t mean there have to be abortions, just as laws that do outlaw abortion don’t end abortion, they just result in more dead women.
Right. So you agree your “keeping a woman alive” dilemma is a red herring then.It’s got nothing to do with it. So you don’t agree with laws outlawing rape and murder on the same grounds. It doesn’t end rape and murder. If we don’t have laws against theft, it doesn’t mean there has to be theft.
Either an embryo is a human life, or it isn’t. You present no evidence that it isn’t. Only that you don’t “define” it as such.
What a ludicrous definition of meritocracy! Of course if the standard meaning were applied, the author would find it much harder to trash. It is precisely this kind of intellectual dishonesty that has made today’s Left so repellent to people like me.
Surely what’s happened is that the mullahs of the Left have abandoned reason in their blind certainty that the arguments were all won long ago and that the Right and unaligned free thinkers like Peterson are simply wicked and determined to perpetuate human suffering for refusing to acknowledge it. For the Left it is about absolute faith in the same old sacred tenets and they can do nothing but repeat the same old cants when challenged by heretic disbelievers. They have descended into a theology of their own self-made religion.
It’s clear that Bloodworth isn’t very familiar with the subject-matter of Brooks’ book, otherwise he wouldn’t have blindly repeated so many deeply misleading portrayals of the IDW and their individual philosophies. For example, the claim that they often refer to Charles Murray’s work (which itself is misrepresented in this piece) is not true. Sam Harris, a couple of years ago, bravely chose to interview Charles Murray on his podcast in the interests of free speech. Apart from that one instance, I’ve never heard any of the members of the IDW refer to Charles Murray’s work.
And he even trots out that old canard about Harris indulging in thought experiments about torture and bombing Iran, both of which have been deliberately decontextualised in order to smear him.
As for the contention that bringing an understanding of human nature into discussions about social structure and inequalities is tantamount to a kind of resigned acceptance of all our social ills is utter nonsense. Only a fool would jump to such a conclusion and it’s certainly not an argument I’ve heard Peterson or anyone else make. The point is that trying to effect change without first understanding the underlying evolutionary and biological drivers that shape society can be at best ineffective and at worst full of disastrous unintended consequences.
I could go on, but suffice it to say, based on this review, I won’t be buying Brooks’ book.
Couple of things that conflict with my knowledge from direct reading of the sources.
First, Charles Murray. His argument in The Bell Curve was that the economy was shifting to a model where intellectual rather than physical skills would fetch a premium in the job market and where a “cognitive elite” would have a leg up and leave groups less cognitively blessed in the dust. Which is what has happened, both to blacks and the white working class. But that was raciss, said the social moralists.
Second, Jordan Peterson. He is not that rational, as he is heavily influenced by Nietzsche and Jung. His first book Maps of Meaning more or less pitches the notion of the Sacrificial Hero. Which he obviously was acting out when he testified against the C-16 law in Canada. Unless you get Nietzsche and Jung you won’t get Peterson.
The problem with Marxists is that they know nothing outside their walled garden of Marx and Hegel and Freud, and they completely bollix up Kant. My basic line on the left is that it is a Great Reaction, a lurch back to the primitive, where socialism is a return to slavery. Lefties have faith in politics in an era that has shown that politics and political power do not deliver human flourishing.
” Peterson in particular ” have thrived off the back of an overblown fear, particularly prevalent in the United States, of a resurgent Socialism. ” ??? Apparently this article was written in 2015. Bernie Sanders a self-proclaimed (an actual) socialist, would have had the Democrat nomination in 2016 without the behind-the-scenes machinations of the DNC and the Democrat party has moved very left since then.
To protect freedom of speech is the main and only reason IDW exists. The article doesn’t mention that for some reason?
One thing both writers seem to have missed is that the IDW was always meant as a tongue in cheek term. That someone holding basically liberal humanist views and valueing reason could be seen as some kind of ‘edgy dangerous subversive’. Thats the whole point..to highlight that absurdity. If you want to find criticism of the IDW as a phenomenon though, you don’t need Marxist-lenin apologist like Brooks. Enough of the original members like Bret Weinstein have criticized the way the meme manifested. I would suggest their sincere critiques are more interesting than what sounds like the fairy predictable attack tropes wheeled out by Brooker of the sort that can easily be found in the Guardian or any other ‘left leaning’ media source.
You’re correct – it should be a joke, but some how IDW is taken seriously by the radical left, as though criticising their ideas on “fairness” is equivalent to other Dark Web activity, like violent child pornography. It shows the depth of their dishonesty that they should attempt to qualify anyone who disagrees with them, even sanely and rationally, as being beyond the pale.
I never understood the hostile reactions of the left intelligentsia to Jordan Peterson, until I deed a deep dive on the writings an biography of Pankaj Mishra. Because at the surface level the attention and opposition makes absolutely no sense. Why would a leftist intellectual care if people embrace self help and self mastery? But reading Pankaj it became crystal clear, the man is terrified of Western Male self confidence and capabilities. He is literally worried about White Men reconquering and dominating the World. His critique come from a deep well of hatred, fear, resentment and paranoia. And this is the same hatred, fear, resentment and paranoia we hear in Critical Theory, whose students are flooding the West with their revolutionary program.
I think traditional leftists, like the author, need to get a little angrier in the face of the untruths and abuses of Critical Theorists and their policy requests. BLM and identitarians like them are nothing short of fascists in new clothes, and a real barrier to class solidarity. In many ways the IDW are the traditional left’s best friend. I think the author needs to watch more YouTube videos and listen to more podcasts. He’s taken on the critique before knowing the subject.
What a typical piece of disingenuous woke wankery.
This article is a waste of space.
I feel like I have to defend Butterworth here. I think he is one of the smartest thinkers on left (along with Embery) and his reportage is second to none. Please do read his book. He’s also been a persistent critic of the New Left and Corbynistas. Never having met him in person, I would suspect he’s simply a good old fashioned social democrat who many left leaning liberals would probably very happily agree with most of the time. But those words, liberal, left, social democrats have been devalued in the onslaught of short cut language which devalues deeply divergent views. Just as I hate the tern neo liberal – whatever that is – so with IDW. As many have said here this is a classic Marxist tactic of bunching up a crowd of people (kulaks, reactionaries, fascists) and then tarring them with the same brush. Splitters, enemies of the people. The IDW is just a made up term no one I know uses to house very different people. As many have said Sam Harris is an archetypal anti Trump Liberal who probably shares many of the same views as Mark Lilla, author of the brilliant Once and Future Liberal. I like Peterson but also find him a tad worthy and pompous at times but don’t think of him as a conservative – more an old fashioned classical liberal. Chris Hitchens was something entirely different again and god alone knows what Ben Shapiro is. But even within the conservative movement in America you only have to read the excellent American Affairs journal to understand that there’s a huge range of views. Some are anti capitalist and almost Blue Labour all the way through to the Shaar Murrays who are more instinctively free market conservatives. So, the IDW does not exist. It’s a ghost.
And that is the problem with James’ review. It is a straw man. I’ve read the author of this book in Jacobin and he’s another cuddly Marxist trying to make the Bolsheviks seem electable. They never were in Russia – they seized power. So, he tries to attack ‘the near enemy’ in this case liberals who might concede some of the issues – structural inequality. The author has also attacked social democrats in the past as many do in the Jacobin.
There is no cuddly Marxism, as James well knows.
That said, whereas there is no IDW there is a very real threat from Marxists and Marxism, rebooting their failed creed and trying to smuggle it in through their academic outposts. Unlike the IDW they have a consistent set of beliefs that are coherent and constantly fine tuned. So, rather than take down the non existent IDW why not train our intellectual fire power on the New Left, the neo Marxists and their identitarian foot soldiers peddling their ideologically coherent but incredibly dangerous group think. And I say this as a left leaning liberal with strong social democratic instincts who loves listening to Sam Harris, who finds Peterson annoying but challenging and reads American Affairs cover to cover (along with The Jacobin).
Just searched to see what this Michael Brookes has to say about Sam Harris on twitter:
https://twitter.com/search?… “sam harris”
He’s clearly obsessed with him and thinks he’s stupid and a bigot. So in other words Michael Brookes is just another standard woke far leftist who despises Sam
Harris because he dares to question whether Islam is as peaceful as its
proponents claim. How dare an atheist question religion, the bigot!
It’s a shame that James Bloodworth goes along with this woke nonsense
because he usually speaks sense, but he obviously hates the IDW too
given the number of snide smears he trots out about them – most of which
aren’t even true, or are very highly spun.
As for Michael Brookes wanting the left to win over fans of the IDW, maybe
he should read Peterson’s Rule #6: Set your house in perfect order
before you criticise the World. Because I doubt any IDW fans would
consider supporting the left while the woke are all acting like little
Hitlers on social media on a daily basis.
I saw Peterson speak a couple years back and these were my take-aways:
#1 Life is brutal. Most of your dreams will not come true. Your heart will be broken. You will eventually lose the people closest to you. Evil people will forever prey on the weak. You will helplessly stand by as your parents wither away. And in the end, it will be your turn. No one here gets out alive.
#2 Given these inescapable truths about life, do you want to raise children who are warriors, prepared for a life of adversity, or children who are stopped in their tracks because some people don’t approve of their lifestyle?
Do you want to raise children who say “You don’t think that I can handle real pressure? Bring it on”, or do you want to raise children who say “My boss called me an idiot, or checked out my ass, and I’m going to file a grievance with human resources.”
#3 The way you handle life’s adversity is what gives your life meaning. It’s what defines you. Not everyone is going to get a trophy, but when you get the trophy, you will have earned it.
After hearing him speak, I had several thoughts. Here are just a few of them:
a) These are not right-wing truths. They are not white male truths. They are deep, ancient human truths.
b) I thought of my parent’s generation. They lived through World War II, the great depression, the Holocaust. They know what true suffering looks like, and it doesn’t look like being called by the wrong personal pronoun.
c) I laughed when I realize he was basically telling the same story as the Johnny Cash song “A Boy Named Sue” by Shel Silverstein.
And he said, “Son, this world is rough
And if a man’s gonna make it, he’s gotta be tough
And I know I wouldn’t be there to help ya along
So I give ya that name and I said goodbye
I knew you’d have to get tough or die
And it’s the name that helped to make you strong.
Yeah he said, “Now you just fought one hell of a fight
And I know you hate me, and you got the right
To kill me now, and I wouldn’t blame you if you do
But ya ought to thank me, before I die
For the gravel in ya guts and the spit in ya eye
‘Cause I’m the son-of-a-b***h that named you “Sue”
Yeah what could I do, what could I do?
Whatever peoples feelings about the book surely £6.99 or £7.99 for a 96 page book is quite steep.
Watch this: https://youtu.be/qsHJ3LvUWTs
2h40m
Slavoj Žižek & Jordan Peterson debate on the concept of Happiness : Marxism vs. Capitalism.
“Brooks’ critique of the IDW is at its best when he pulls apart the
latter’s penchant for “naturalising instead of historicising”. Much IDW
thought seeks in effect to depoliticise politics. We cannot
fundamentally change the world therefore we should only try to describe
it. Particularly absurd, as Brooks points out, is the way in which
ideology is portrayed among members of the IDW as something other people
subscribe to, whereas they are merely disinterested, above-the-fray
intellectuals. Thus Peterson launches tirades against the principle of absolute equality,
which few people believe in anyway, while earnestly drinking the
meritocratic Kool-Aid, which is as much an ideological mirage as
anything Peterson opposes”…. so basically you find it annoying when people dissect the motives, means and methods of, well, call it what you will – the deep state, place men, adherents to critical theory and it’s derivatives, cultural marxists, identitarianism…… you’d much sooner people just lapped that stuff up. What you’re missing is these people aren’t seeking to be leaders in anything but rational opinion (an often diverse area – there is not necessarily any one correct thing) – people like them for good reasons – I suspect you just hate that their voices are heard and well received, undoing the alleged Gramscian Slow March that has reached new extremes of self-parody. They are making some sense of the nonsense. The imperfections you criticise, well, the thing is, this is not the absolutist movement that they oppose, they are not seeking to cow and coerce society into compliance, unlike the movements they are exposing to scrutiny.