
The old politics of climate change is dead. The argument as to whether man-made global warming is real is over.
It’s not that the science is absolutely settled. Science never is — especially on something as complex as the climate. But we can’t just sit there waiting for a perfect understanding that will never come. Given the stakes, there was always going to be a moment at which the world reached a working assumption. That moment has come.
Across the planet, governments and corporations have agreed that the climate emergency is real and that something must be done. Furthermore, that ‘something’ is becoming evermore significant. It is shifting billions — no, make that trillions — in public and private sector investment. It is disrupting entire industries and, will, one or way or another, change our way of life.
So forget the sideshow of ‘green politics’, what we do about climate change is mainstream politics now. Writing for ConservativeHome, Rachel Wolf (co-author of the 2019 Conservative manifesto) makes an excellent point:
“The Government has committed to ‘net zero’ greenhouse gas emissions because it does not want the side effects of the energy sources we have used for centuries to destroy the planet. At the same time, we do not want to return to an era where children (and their mothers) regularly died, and where the majority of people lived in what would now in the UK be considered wholly unacceptable poverty.
“This is a staggering challenge. Much, much bigger than Brexit.”
Yes, and look what happened with Brexit. Europe, though never a marginal issue, was not previously central to our politics. It didn’t define the party system, which is why the most heated arguments took place within the parties not between them. But then the push for the referendum, the campaign itself and the repercussions of the result triggered a realignment. Political parties and personalities redefined themselves around particular Brexit positions. And these dividing lines redrew the political map.
Wolf is right. Net zero is much, much bigger than Brexit. It involves more countries, in fact the whole world. It will present us with crunch decisions over a much longer period of time — the rest of this century at the very least. It will continue to transform the power industry, and much else besides: every mode of transport; how we build, warm and cool our homes; food, agriculture and land use; trade, industry, every part of the economy. Such a profound shift in the energy sources we rely upon will reorder geopolitical relations. Old conflicts will become irrelevant, but new ones could take their place — especially if we start messing around with geoengineering.
So, no, this isn’t just an environmental issue. It isn’t mainly a matter of science and technology or even of economics. It is primarily and profoundly political — and it will reshape our politics around it.
Ironically, this is bad news for the ‘greens’ and ‘anti-greens’ who dominated the climate debate when no one else paid it much attention. They’ll be like the old-school Eurosceptics, who were elbowed aside by Boris Johnson et al once Brexit became the main show in town.
Climate politics — and therefore politics in general — is in the process of organising around a new set of positions. They’re not fully formed yet and don’t have widely recognised names — so, for the time being, I’m going to label them the ‘climate Left’ , the ‘climate Right’ and the ‘climate Centre’.
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The climate Left needs little introduction. Indeed they tend to introduce themselves — loudly. Only last week some Extinction Rebellion protesters made their concern for the planet known by, er, digging up a lawn outside a government building. It was a literally laboured metaphor about the government digging itself deeper into a hole. Naturally, the Metropolitan Police let it happen: an environmental movement destroying the environment; a police force that can’t protect the Home Office.
Despite the antics of XR etc, it’s important to distinguish the climate Left from the radical green movement that once had this space to itself. Traditional Green parties, while generally Left-leaning, weren’t necessarily socialist, let alone Marxist in their outlook. Seizing the means of production isn’t really the main thing when you believe that the means of production are destroying the planet. However, as the mainstream Left and centre-Left has de-industrialised itself — abandoning its traditional working-class support base in favour of young metropolitan, college educated voters — the gulf between red and green has narrowed. In a few countries, like Germany, we’ve seen Green parties emerge as the biggest parties on the Left; in others, like America and Britain, we’ve seen the mainstream Left co-opt environmental issues as part of their radicalisation and their pivot to metropolitan electorates.
Indeed the concept of a ‘Green New Deal’ as championed by up-and-coming metro-Left politicians like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has become the central plank of an avowedly anti-capitalist, yet trendy, political programme.
Though governments around the world are signing up to net zero by 2050, the climate Left says this isn’t enough. We have to be carbon neutral by 2030 they say — if not sooner. Just how we’re to achieve that they’re not keen to spell out. XR for instance, refers the specifics to a citizens’ assembly.
This would involve a specially selected group of citizens making decisions under the guidance of a specially selected group of experts. This, apparently, is superior to voting and parliaments and that. I, for one, am absolutely sure we can trust whoever’s in charge of the process not to manipulate it in any way whatsoever. So, who needs regular democracy — fatally compromised as it by giving everyone a say at the ballot box?
Once the Citizens’ Assembly has deliberated, who would implement the resulting Green New Deal? It could only be a greatly expanded state. Completely decarbonising the economy in the space of one decade would amount to a wartime economy, in which basically all production would be centrally-directed by politicians. But with stellar talents like Ocasio-Cortez in charge, inspired by the wisdom of that famed economist Milton Keynes, what could possibly go wrong?
This is not fringe politics. In the US, the Democratic frontrunner Bernie Sanders supports a Green New Deal, so does Elizabeth Warren. In the UK, the main opposition party voted for one last year at its annual conference.
Also, don’t forget that XR supporters include several of our leading actors — whose level-headed good judgement we can trust completely
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On that reassuring note, let’s move on to the climate Right. This lot are distinct from (though not entirely unrelated to) the climate change deniers of old. They define themselves not in opposition to mainstream scientific opinion, but to the climate Left — which presents a much softer target.
At its best, the climate Right asks searching questions of all those who commit to ambitious decarbonisation targets: Net zero, you say? By when, exactly? How much will it cost? Who’s going to pay? What happens if we do our bit, but our competitors don’t?
When it comes to net zero by 2030 (or even 2025 as XR demands) it doesn’t take too long to expose the utter insanity of any of the Green New Deals proposed by the climate Left. Even with more moderate policies, its good to have the climate Right around to stress-test badly-designed policies before they blow up like Emmanuel Macron’s eco-tax on fuel.
As Rachel Wolf warns, climate policies that are seen to impose excessive costs — especially on hand-pressed parts of the population who feel they’ve been unfairly singled out — could provoke a populist backlash:
“Unless we get this right – and develop solutions that can mitigate the cost – the situation is ripe for a new UKIP-style party to whip up hostility (as the gilets jaunes in France show).”
However, there are other elements of the climate Right for whom a climate culture war is something to be welcomed not warned about. Whatever it takes to stop the climate Left. That’s not in itself an unreasonable objective. The radicals must not be allowed to use the climate emergency to seize control of the economy or to bypass representative democracy. Nevertheless, the climate emergency is real — to ignore it or deny it only polarises the issue to the benefit of extremists at either end.
At its worst, the climate Right exists as a tool of corporations and countries who profit from the permission to pollute. That doesn’t mean that every climate right-winger is a bought-and-paid-for lobbyist — but there’s no denying the significant sums of money that have made their way from fossil fuel companies into the think tanks, campaign groups, publications and prominent politicians that populate the ‘conservative movement’ (in America and beyond).
Just because the old climate wars (against the science itself and the case for action) have been lost, it doesn’t mean that the lobbyists have given up. If they can’t stop the great green shift they will at least attempt to influence its direction. But to what end?
Whenever you see an apparently constructive proposal coming from the climate Right, it’s always worth asking: who benefits? A particular word to watch out for is ‘breakthrough’ i.e. code for some kind of game-changing technology on which all hopes for the future supposedly depend.
If on closer examination this turns-out to be a pipe-dream about carbon capture and storage (CCS), a new kind of nuclear power station or a geoengineering scheme then it’s time to count the spoons. What all these technologies have in common is that (a) they don’t exist yet in any commercially competitive form and (b) they’d allow the dirty dinosaur energy industries of 20th century to stagger on.
As I say, the climate Right isn’t just a lobbying operation, but until it shows some contrition for its denialist past and greater transparency about its continuing sources of funding, then it doesn’t deserve the benefit of our doubt.
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So, if the climate Left is mad and the climate Right is bad, then we desperately need an alternative to both. This is provided by the climate Centre.
Climate centrism takes the science seriously — enough not to indulge in scare tactics or to pretend that business-as-usual is a responsible option. It rejects the accelerated timelines demanded by green new dealers, not because action isn’t required, but because haste makes waste. Achieving net zero in the space of a single decade would divert scarce resources into the creation of a command state, when what we need is more of what’s been achieved so far through competitive markets supported by smart government.
It suits both the climate Left and the climate Right to ignore the massive and rapid progress made on renewable power, batteries, electric vehicles, energy efficient lighting and other low carbon technologies. The climate Right would have us believe that we can’t do without old, polluting industries; the climate Left that we’re doomed without eco-socialism — but both are demonstrably wrong.
Given the right policy incentives — including government support for foundational research and shared infrastructure — private enterprise can, and has, delivered sustained improvement in the performance and cost of clean technology. We certainly need more of it and across a wider range of sectors, but the way to do that is to learn the lessons from actual examples of success and failure.
Climate centrism, however, is not solely about sound science and economics. Achieving a net zero world is also about what we choose to value most as a society. Even with continued technological progress we still need think about and change the way we live our lives. Do we prioritise growth, mobility and convenience at any cost? Or are there things that we’ve sacrificed — beauty, calm and community life — that we ought to reclaim? Is choice and freedom something limited to the individual, consumerist realm? Or do we want to consciously rethink our relationship with technology and its impact on the common good?
These are deep, complex questions. Too deep to be settled by the market alone; too complex to be micro-managed by the central government. Rather, we need to devolve as many decisions as possible to a community level — understanding that what might work for a traffic-choked city won’t be the right thing for the car-dependent countryside. So, climate centrism needs to localist — putting people, and the places they live, first; and deferring upward to government and big business only where necessary.
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So, there you have it: three paths for the future — Left, Right and Centre. I’ve massively over-simplified the choices, of course — but that doesn’t mean that big decisions won’t have to be made.
One way or another, they will be. And what we choose (or what gets chosen for us) will make all the difference in the world.
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SubscribeTo my knowledge no one has yet to actually put secession to the vote in CA, or Eastern Oregon or Eastern Washington. So it is impossible to know what legs such a movement might have, or what legal or political barriers would arise. There is also a fantasy about some areas joining Idaho, which would require Idaho’s approval.
Any new state or reordering of borders (Greater Idaho) would require consent from Congress, which brings it’s own perils: Democrats may feel emboldened – next time they have total control – to add a couple reliably obsequious new states, mainly D.C. and Puerto Rico. Still, the first step for this day-dream is to coalesce into an actual movement with signatures and drafted legislation.
Eloquently put. I don’t have much knowledge of US state politics (other than what i learn from this forum) but your contribution sounds intelligent.
What seems more likely is for an area to secede and join another state.
Western Oregon could join with Idaho and I think moves are already underway to make that happen. Western Washington could do the same. Eastern and northern CA could join with AZ or NV.
But it is going to require physical confrontation for it to happen. People with the power to control others do not give it up without a fight. It will take counties refusing to cooperate with the state. It will take county National Guard units and police units refusing to enforce or comply with their state counterparts. It will mean local cops and sheriffs departments being willing to confront state police.
Where it could get hairy is if the feds get involved and send in the FBI or the military to force compliance. I can think of half a dozen ways they could try to rationalize that.
Wrong. You’re watching too many “action” movies.
You mean Eastern Oregon and Washington. East of the Cascades. I agree that physical confrontation will be required. It’s going to require cojones on the part of those who wish to leave.
Wrong. You’re watching too many “action” movies.
You mean Eastern Oregon and Washington. East of the Cascades. I agree that physical confrontation will be required. It’s going to require cojones on the part of those who wish to leave.
Eloquently put. I don’t have much knowledge of US state politics (other than what i learn from this forum) but your contribution sounds intelligent.
What seems more likely is for an area to secede and join another state.
Western Oregon could join with Idaho and I think moves are already underway to make that happen. Western Washington could do the same. Eastern and northern CA could join with AZ or NV.
But it is going to require physical confrontation for it to happen. People with the power to control others do not give it up without a fight. It will take counties refusing to cooperate with the state. It will take county National Guard units and police units refusing to enforce or comply with their state counterparts. It will mean local cops and sheriffs departments being willing to confront state police.
Where it could get hairy is if the feds get involved and send in the FBI or the military to force compliance. I can think of half a dozen ways they could try to rationalize that.
To my knowledge no one has yet to actually put secession to the vote in CA, or Eastern Oregon or Eastern Washington. So it is impossible to know what legs such a movement might have, or what legal or political barriers would arise. There is also a fantasy about some areas joining Idaho, which would require Idaho’s approval.
Any new state or reordering of borders (Greater Idaho) would require consent from Congress, which brings it’s own perils: Democrats may feel emboldened – next time they have total control – to add a couple reliably obsequious new states, mainly D.C. and Puerto Rico. Still, the first step for this day-dream is to coalesce into an actual movement with signatures and drafted legislation.
When I saw the headline, I thought this sounds good – the US, and the rest of the west, is better off without California. My hopes were dashed pretty quickly.
When I saw the headline, I thought this sounds good – the US, and the rest of the west, is better off without California. My hopes were dashed pretty quickly.
The correct term is Mexifornia. That is not a xenophobic viewpoint, it is an observable fact.
California might better be broken into thirds: the coastal Eliteafornia, ( or perhaps “Wokeifornia’ ) the central and mountain Conservatifornia, with a Palestinian-like enclave in the southern part of the state ( Mexifornia ) ceded back to Mexico and made up of over five million illegal immigrants. Los Angeles would be the capital of this rump state of Northern Mexico. ( Orange County would have to petition its way into the jurisdiction of one of the other two new states which would remain under U.S. sovereignty. ) NB the homeless population would remain, as it is now, concentrated in urban coastal areas. A wonderful social welfare opportunity for the elites in their new state.
Unless you live here in California, you have no idea how messed up this once-idyllic state has become. Dystopian. Home of every whacko, leftist, utopian policy in America.
The correct term is Mexifornia. That is not a xenophobic viewpoint, it is an observable fact.
California might better be broken into thirds: the coastal Eliteafornia, ( or perhaps “Wokeifornia’ ) the central and mountain Conservatifornia, with a Palestinian-like enclave in the southern part of the state ( Mexifornia ) ceded back to Mexico and made up of over five million illegal immigrants. Los Angeles would be the capital of this rump state of Northern Mexico. ( Orange County would have to petition its way into the jurisdiction of one of the other two new states which would remain under U.S. sovereignty. ) NB the homeless population would remain, as it is now, concentrated in urban coastal areas. A wonderful social welfare opportunity for the elites in their new state.
Unless you live here in California, you have no idea how messed up this once-idyllic state has become. Dystopian. Home of every whacko, leftist, utopian policy in America.
I live here in CA. This is a pipe dream and it always have been. Steps to “succession”:
1) Put an advisory measure on the ballot in several contiguous counties.
2) Obtain at least a majority vote but preferably much more.
3) Force elected representatives to actually implement the studies to break away from Sacramento.
4) Use those county supervisor districts as leverage to bring a bill before the state legislature to partition the state.
5) Get the governor to sign said measure.
6) Use legislative pressure to get Congressional approval passed through both chambers and signed by the President.
Whether the resulting state would be economically viable is debatable. That this process will never be accomplished in my lifetime (and likely ever) is not debatable.
The last time a state split (Virginia) occurred when the Civil War kept the Southern States out of Congress. It ain’t happening again, regardless of the number of State of Jefferson flags.
That sounds like a realistic analysis. So what’s the way forward for the increasing schism between deep blue cities (not just in California) and everywhere else?
If you look at California, for example, the “blue state” is actually three big, blue blobs: SF bay area, LA, and San Diego (and, of course, the small state capital, Sacramento). Pretty much everywhere else is red. How can this massive, de facto partition persist without some sort of red rebellion?
This is playing out in Canada as well. British Columbia elects governments on the strength of the Greater Vancouver region – sometimes without a seat east of Whistler. The Federal Government in Canada is elected by Ontario and Quebec – mostly by their two big cities – Toronto and Montreal.
Those four blobs account for about 26.5 million people out of a total population of about 39 million. Not all 26 million are hard core blue and not all of the rural folks are deep red. Since I was in high school in the 1960’s, there has been rumblings about dividing up the state and I’m sure that predated me. The rationale seems to evolve. When I was a kid it was because the southern part of the state took all the water from the north. In the north they wanted to form a breakaway state called Alta California. Kevin McCarthy, current Republican Speaker of the House is from a California Congressional District, as was previous House Speaker – Democrat Nancy Pelosi. It is easy to paint the state with a broad brush.
the red/blue geography you mention applies in nearly every state in the union. That’s why talk of a second America civil war is so absurd.
The solution is federalism and subsidiarity all the way to the county level. Absent that, this cold war will continue. Even David French is starting to talk that way these days,
This is playing out in Canada as well. British Columbia elects governments on the strength of the Greater Vancouver region – sometimes without a seat east of Whistler. The Federal Government in Canada is elected by Ontario and Quebec – mostly by their two big cities – Toronto and Montreal.
Those four blobs account for about 26.5 million people out of a total population of about 39 million. Not all 26 million are hard core blue and not all of the rural folks are deep red. Since I was in high school in the 1960’s, there has been rumblings about dividing up the state and I’m sure that predated me. The rationale seems to evolve. When I was a kid it was because the southern part of the state took all the water from the north. In the north they wanted to form a breakaway state called Alta California. Kevin McCarthy, current Republican Speaker of the House is from a California Congressional District, as was previous House Speaker – Democrat Nancy Pelosi. It is easy to paint the state with a broad brush.
the red/blue geography you mention applies in nearly every state in the union. That’s why talk of a second America civil war is so absurd.
The solution is federalism and subsidiarity all the way to the county level. Absent that, this cold war will continue. Even David French is starting to talk that way these days,
Brian,
I cannot disagree with your analysis and if I had to put odd on it I would say that your take has a 98% probability of being true. But then HRC had a 95% chance too.
That said, times they be a changing in radical and unpredictable ways.
What is more likely is that CA continues to shed people and states like TX and FL, AZ and others continue to gain population. What is more likely is that places like LA and San Francisco will enter doom loops while places like Austin, Tampa and Charlotte and Raleigh thrive.
What is more likely is that businesses will continue to leave for other places with lower taxes, less regulation, cheaper energy and stronger policing.
What is more likely is that CA will continue to lose seats in the House and TX, FL and the Carolina’s gain seats.
What is more likely is that as the above happens, those left behind are going to face higher taxes to offset the losses, more fees and less services. Creating incentive for more people to leave.
Eventually, what is most likely to happen, is that CA will face a real financial collapse and substantial loss of influence to more conservative states. Housing prices will take a nose dive and property taxes with them, meaning local services and schools will be impacted. Then, when CA hits rock bottom, which is what will have to happen for them to change, they will desperately start looking for policies that will attract people and businesses back into the state. That will likely mean at some point a republican legislature and a republican governor or democrats that look like republicans. There will be massive reductions in regulation, a lowering of taxes, an emphasis on policing, likely cuts in pensions to state workers and a reduction in the state workforce. Certain cities will likely go into receivership, state or federal.
States like CA and NY, even MA and NJ are going to keep losing out to places like TN and FL. As that happens, they will double down on the things that are killing them until something breaks. Then, when they are desperate, when they have to choose between giving teachers raises or paying the pensions for retirees, when they are left with no alternatives, they will grudgingly and with resentment, start undoing all the things that intially drove people out. But that is a process of generations.
See, the problem stems from arrogance. Places like NY and CA thougtht they were so special and so unique that people would always come, that no matter how hard the state made life in taxes and regulation, that people would never leave for some place like Nashville. Well, it looks like a tipping point has been reached and I really do not think that CA or its state government has the stomach to do what is needed to reverse the tide and wont until things get desperate.
I left MA for FL and then the mid Atlantic states years ago and have no regrets at all. I cannot count the number of offers I have had to move to CA for work. I never give the recruiter the time to get past the move to CA before I say no. I’m not alone. Many of my neighbors are from NY, MA and the west coast. The one thing we tell new arrivals; Do NOT do here what you did there, its why you moved here.
Adam Smith said, “there’s a great deal of ruin in a nation”, and the quote applies just as well to CA. It’s huge economically and geographically.
There certainly is a bottom, but I think we’re many decades away from it. The Latinos might save us if they really do turn against the Dems.
The problem is, they DO do what they did there. Colorado is the absolute classic example. The lefties began leaving the smog, traffic and sprawl of both coasts in the 70s and CO is now solidly under Dem dominion.
Adam Smith said, “there’s a great deal of ruin in a nation”, and the quote applies just as well to CA. It’s huge economically and geographically.
There certainly is a bottom, but I think we’re many decades away from it. The Latinos might save us if they really do turn against the Dems.
The problem is, they DO do what they did there. Colorado is the absolute classic example. The lefties began leaving the smog, traffic and sprawl of both coasts in the 70s and CO is now solidly under Dem dominion.
That sounds like a realistic analysis. So what’s the way forward for the increasing schism between deep blue cities (not just in California) and everywhere else?
If you look at California, for example, the “blue state” is actually three big, blue blobs: SF bay area, LA, and San Diego (and, of course, the small state capital, Sacramento). Pretty much everywhere else is red. How can this massive, de facto partition persist without some sort of red rebellion?
Brian,
I cannot disagree with your analysis and if I had to put odd on it I would say that your take has a 98% probability of being true. But then HRC had a 95% chance too.
That said, times they be a changing in radical and unpredictable ways.
What is more likely is that CA continues to shed people and states like TX and FL, AZ and others continue to gain population. What is more likely is that places like LA and San Francisco will enter doom loops while places like Austin, Tampa and Charlotte and Raleigh thrive.
What is more likely is that businesses will continue to leave for other places with lower taxes, less regulation, cheaper energy and stronger policing.
What is more likely is that CA will continue to lose seats in the House and TX, FL and the Carolina’s gain seats.
What is more likely is that as the above happens, those left behind are going to face higher taxes to offset the losses, more fees and less services. Creating incentive for more people to leave.
Eventually, what is most likely to happen, is that CA will face a real financial collapse and substantial loss of influence to more conservative states. Housing prices will take a nose dive and property taxes with them, meaning local services and schools will be impacted. Then, when CA hits rock bottom, which is what will have to happen for them to change, they will desperately start looking for policies that will attract people and businesses back into the state. That will likely mean at some point a republican legislature and a republican governor or democrats that look like republicans. There will be massive reductions in regulation, a lowering of taxes, an emphasis on policing, likely cuts in pensions to state workers and a reduction in the state workforce. Certain cities will likely go into receivership, state or federal.
States like CA and NY, even MA and NJ are going to keep losing out to places like TN and FL. As that happens, they will double down on the things that are killing them until something breaks. Then, when they are desperate, when they have to choose between giving teachers raises or paying the pensions for retirees, when they are left with no alternatives, they will grudgingly and with resentment, start undoing all the things that intially drove people out. But that is a process of generations.
See, the problem stems from arrogance. Places like NY and CA thougtht they were so special and so unique that people would always come, that no matter how hard the state made life in taxes and regulation, that people would never leave for some place like Nashville. Well, it looks like a tipping point has been reached and I really do not think that CA or its state government has the stomach to do what is needed to reverse the tide and wont until things get desperate.
I left MA for FL and then the mid Atlantic states years ago and have no regrets at all. I cannot count the number of offers I have had to move to CA for work. I never give the recruiter the time to get past the move to CA before I say no. I’m not alone. Many of my neighbors are from NY, MA and the west coast. The one thing we tell new arrivals; Do NOT do here what you did there, its why you moved here.
I live here in CA. This is a pipe dream and it always have been. Steps to “succession”:
1) Put an advisory measure on the ballot in several contiguous counties.
2) Obtain at least a majority vote but preferably much more.
3) Force elected representatives to actually implement the studies to break away from Sacramento.
4) Use those county supervisor districts as leverage to bring a bill before the state legislature to partition the state.
5) Get the governor to sign said measure.
6) Use legislative pressure to get Congressional approval passed through both chambers and signed by the President.
Whether the resulting state would be economically viable is debatable. That this process will never be accomplished in my lifetime (and likely ever) is not debatable.
The last time a state split (Virginia) occurred when the Civil War kept the Southern States out of Congress. It ain’t happening again, regardless of the number of State of Jefferson flags.
Some very eloquent comments about the administrative difficulties of splitting the State. But I wonder if these difficulties are only apparently difficult. A true Secession doesn’t necessarily need the agreement of both sides.
Still a difficult political change to achieve but if the Town wants the Country to leave and the Country wants the Town to leave then it might be comparatively easy to achieve, especially if the Republicans control the Federal Government.
Some very eloquent comments about the administrative difficulties of splitting the State. But I wonder if these difficulties are only apparently difficult. A true Secession doesn’t necessarily need the agreement of both sides.
Still a difficult political change to achieve but if the Town wants the Country to leave and the Country wants the Town to leave then it might be comparatively easy to achieve, especially if the Republicans control the Federal Government.
The polarization of opinions in the USA is now extreme, and shows no sign of decreasing. So it’s a reasonable suggestion that one or more States should secede, to enable citizens with different opinions to move to a State to be governed as they wish to be.
The polarization of opinions in the USA is now extreme, and shows no sign of decreasing. So it’s a reasonable suggestion that one or more States should secede, to enable citizens with different opinions to move to a State to be governed as they wish to be.
My understanding is that you can’t have breakaway “new” states. Too easy to game that, til each original State is represented by dozens of Senators, instead of the two per State agreed upon in the Constitution. Those Founding Fathers were pretty sharp!
But you can break away in order to join an existing State. That is, the Constitution doesn’t specifically forbid it. The Representatives from those breakaway Congressional Districts would go to the adoptive State but the number of Senators doesn’t change.
But I really wonder about DC and Puerto Rico. Could it be that a simple Act of Congress is all that’s needed to grant State-hood? And how did Virginia become Virginia and West Virginia?
Thankfully, the Good Lord hath provideth us with more than enough lawyers to kick this can up and down the road til after I’m long gone.
My understanding is that you can’t have breakaway “new” states. Too easy to game that, til each original State is represented by dozens of Senators, instead of the two per State agreed upon in the Constitution. Those Founding Fathers were pretty sharp!
But you can break away in order to join an existing State. That is, the Constitution doesn’t specifically forbid it. The Representatives from those breakaway Congressional Districts would go to the adoptive State but the number of Senators doesn’t change.
But I really wonder about DC and Puerto Rico. Could it be that a simple Act of Congress is all that’s needed to grant State-hood? And how did Virginia become Virginia and West Virginia?
Thankfully, the Good Lord hath provideth us with more than enough lawyers to kick this can up and down the road til after I’m long gone.
Wish we could have secession in South Africa. The Western Cape would love to divorce the rest.
Wish we could have secession in South Africa. The Western Cape would love to divorce the rest.