The violent rhetoric of trans activists has to stop
The shooting in Nashville is a wake-up call
It’s hard to make sense of this week’s mass shooting at a Christian elementary school in Nashville, Tennessee, no matter what revelations may lurk in the shooter’s manifesto. But it is possible to understand the context for this outbreak of violence.
The truth is that the subculture that has grown up around trans identities too often excuses, legitimises, and even glorifies violence. That includes violence directed at the self — where self-harm and suicide demonstrate sincerity and commitment to trans identity in the face of adversity — and violence directed outward at perceived enemies. This goes hand-in-hand with a toxic dynamic called phobia indoctrination: the attempt to instil irrational fears in members of a high-control group in order to manipulate them.
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There’s no clearer example of how phobia indoctrination operates within trans communities than the invention and propagation of ‘trans genocide’ narratives.
As red states across the US have restricted or banned pharmaceutical and surgical interventions for gender-questioning youth, the trans community has gone to some very dark places — even going so far as to claim that a ‘trans genocide’ is underway.
On Reddit, users panicked about the idea that future policy changes might force people to detransition and invoked threats of suicide and mass violence in response. But these conversations didn’t stay on Reddit. Instead, the rhetoric of trans genocide has spilled out into the real world, skewing public discourse and inspiring a planned Trans Day of Vengeance (originally scheduled for April 1).
Take trans activist and American Civil Liberties Union lawyer Chase Strangio. Two years ago, the ACLU lawyer argued that legislation that restricts access to hormones and surgeries for gender-questioning youth is “akin to killing us” and has since claimed that Republican legislators “want to control and eradicate us.”
To be clear: this is wild hyperbole, not reality. Adults who care about the wellbeing of gender-questioning kids should offer reassurance when states restrict access to transition to over-18s. Those who didn’t transition until adulthood should talk about how they made it through adolescence without shutting down their pituitary glands or amputating their breasts. Adults should promise children that it gets better. But instead of reassurance, too many adults are pushing an apocalyptic and militant rhetoric.
What we’re witnessing here is not trans genocide but trans radicalisation. The warning signs are everywhere: grimacing skulls that promise “DEATH BEFORE DETRANSITION”, knives, baseball bats wrapped in barbed wire, assault rifles painted in the pastel tones of the trans flag, torrents of rape and death threats, the grim vow that “EVERY DAY IS TRANS DAY OF VENGEANCE.”
In the wake of Monday’s mass shooting, online trans communities erupted with panic and self-pity — even self-justification. The Trans Resistance Network released a press statement lamenting the “second and more complex tragedy… that Aiden or Audrey Hale… felt he had no other effective way to be seen than to lash out by taking the life of others, and by consequence, himself,” and vowing that trans people “will not be eradicated or erased.” Rather than repudiating a dangerous narrative that produces violence against the self and others, the Trans Resistance Network reinforces it.
Buried in the comments section of a Reddit post, however, there was one voice of reason: “The murderous and suicidal rhetoric,” the user wrote, “the violence against women and children, should’ve stopped years ago. Another good time to discontinue it would be now.”
Minutes later, the comment disappeared. Reddit administrators had intervened. But that dissenting voice — however swiftly muffled — spoke an uncomfortable truth. When a community mythologises martyrs, that community will recruit martyrs. A responsible, sane trans movement that was truly concerned about the wellbeing of its most vulnerable members would not look or sound or act like the trans movement we’ve got. It’s way past time to bring sanity and a sense of responsibility back.
Whatever the cause of this behaviour, the flames are being fanned by governments every where. You have to ask why.
An extremely pertinent question. Who is benefitting, politically, I wonder. Hard to see a simple answer but somewhere hidden in the minds of the spin doctors there will be some, probably bizarre, reason to support trans-activism, at least superficially.
Is it simple misogamy? Is it about a distraction from more important stuff? No idea.
Money, control and distraction. It’s a great power grab! Radicalize the youth on complete nonsense and they won’t notice you destroying the world.
What does this actually mean? This is so vague it explains nothing, or alternatively everything. Where does ‘money’ come into the picture.
It’s a cultural revolution, and it is winning.
I think they want to provoke a backlash so they can go full authoritarian and deem all conservatives terrorists. All it takes is one guy to snap after seeing pictures of these dead kids and shoot a trans person and it’s going to be treated like a mass genocide justifying, say, removing all Republicans from running for office for being part of a terrorist organization or something. The double standard is a feature, not a bug.
Yes, what James Lindsay call the “Trans Floyd” moment.
I try to apply Occam’s razor whenever possible and just like the vaccine mandates, the most plausible explanation is money. Pharmaceuticals seem to have a firm grip on media and politicians, at least in the US. The military industrial complex seems to have been joined by big pharma. The second most likely is out of touch politicians listening to the loudest voices, instead of the more reasonable, moderate popular opinion.
The tin foil hat wearer in me does suspect it has some anti-natalist/population control motivation; the population boom of the last century is already a problem in much of the world, and in all likelihood, children receiving these treatments will have fertility issues later on in life. I’m not sure if I believe this since the trans-mania is really only occurring in the western world rather than the most populous countries like China, India, etc… Interested to hear other people’s thoughts though.
Spot on Mr W. Follow the money
China’s population either has peaked or will peak soon, and the average age has already risen as a result of the one-child policy of the late 70s onwards.
Efforts by the current government to persuade Chinese to have more than one child are widely reported to have met with little enthusiasm. Chinese have gotten used to having less children.
Both of these things bear on Xi’s thoughts when considering how to proceed against Taiwan. Having one of your five children killed in a war is one thing . . . having your ONLY child die is quite another.
The Chinese government does not allow gender ideology tho. If you promote an ‘LGBT’ group at a Chinese university, they just kill the group’s WeChat account. This has happened a number of times.
Smart, I’d say.
“Chinese have gotten used to having less children.”
Apologies for the pedantry responding to what is really quite an insightful comment. I just couldn’t resist it.
I’m not sure about this. We’re currently going through a population bust in most western countries and a big bust in eastern ones. We have been for a couple of decades now. If the motive is money, I think they’d want to reverse the downturn in birth rates in order to ensure futures workers generating taxes.
Yes, the money. Jennifer Bilek’s video is chilling. And, in the intro. are these words:
“Suppose we are to understand why women speaking outside media conglomerate attempts to control the narrative around what is supposed to be a movement for the disenfranchised has so incited the media and politicians. In that case, we must understand the business investments in their narrative and how the pharmaceutical and financial industries control them.”
Occam’s Razor indicates that what you regard as the second most likely explanation is the most likely.
I would say it is neither.
Many, many on the left are continually trying to have a replay of the 60’s Civil Rights movement, except this time they want to be ‘on the right side’ (in the US, Republicans supported CR legislation more than Dems), particularly given their horrible record before that. (slavery, Jim Crow, and segregation were all Democrat policies).
This is merely the latest attempt to capture what they consider the ‘moral high ground’. Another tiny minority is feeling slighted and trying desperately to validate their choices. Like converts to a religion, they are the most militant evangelists. The leftist machine simply jumps on the latest bandwagon because they have fallen in love with protests.
This is the same motivation as with Global Warming, vaccine mandates, and CRT. The amount of money to be made in this is minuscule, and the potential liability is very steep. I am guessing/hoping that a slew of lawsuits against companies/organizations promoting this stuff will bring people to their senses.
Fair enough, that’s certainly arguable.
Absolutely. Members of Parliament got together with the media and a prominent trans activist (a trans woman who called for violence against Parker and her attendees) in NZ to stoke a torrent of rage against Posey Parker’s visit. Our MP for domestic violence (who was at the riot) announced publicly that all violence is perpetuated by white, cis men. I saw footage of a 70 year old lady getting repeatedly punched in the face by a man, amongst other horrors. Today our National Bank bestowed on that trans activist the ‘New Zealander of the Year’ award. Why on earth is this being promoted at a governmental level? What the hell is going on?
Who are you talking about? What trans activist is NZer of the year?
I can’t see there is any better reason that because this is part of an ongoing cultural revolution, led by true believers, something on the scale of Christianity taking over the Roman Empire (fanatics, sincere, and willing to use coercion), with also obvious similarities with the Red Guards under Mao destroying the Three Olds, humiliating and punishing people etc
Although this particular article is about an extreme case, I am quite regularly asked today by public bodies “what gender were you assigned at birth?'” So ‘woke’ is unfortunately taking over, with a few desperate rearguard pushbacks. The whole notion of women’s sport (for actual women!) seems to have been saved, but only just. As far as I can see, despite the recent push back in Scotland over the ‘transwomen’ rapists in womens’ jails, the passing of the Gender Recognition Act there puts the law entirely on the side of those rapists being in those prisons, so I imagine they will take legal action against the Scottish government.
The arguments about ‘following the money’ below are unconvincing, as the rather unclear logical linkage and confused discussion indicates.
Interesting article and makes one think, (up to this point the unspeakable): Are many of the trans activists seriously mentally ill? Are they mentally delusional in more ways than just sex? Obviously the Nashville transgender murderer was (assuming the media reports that she is trans are correct).
Obviously all these transgenders in the article talking about genocide are more than just loony-tunes, they are delusional, narcissistic, and mentally ill.
Are all the transgender haters gunning for JK Rowling and Posie Parker mentally ill from their massive hormonal intake? Or are they just nasty people?
We don’t know if the Nashville murderer was on hormones and other medically prescribed drugs. But isn’t it possible that all of the drugs that transgender people must take, are impacting their mental ability and stability and causing delusions?
Cutting by young people is a sign of mental health issues (I used to be a foster parent). Is not cutting off body parts just an extension of cutting and a sure sign of mental illness?
And the massive paranoia of transgenders is clearly delusion and a sign of serious mental illness.
Before the Tavistock Clinic in the UK was shut down, clinicians were seeing high rates of severe mental illness, trauma, and autism in their child and youth patients. Hannah Barnes wrote about this at length in her excellent book Time to Think. Unfortunately, quantitative data measurement at the Tavistock was either done inconsistently, or not at all. Here in the United States, because of the nature of our healthcare system, there is no transparency with regards to outcomes. Gender dysphoria is treated as the sole cause of emotional distress, and gender affirmation is therefore the cure-all. Activists have pushed to remove “gatekeeping” and immediately “affirm.” There are now online services that sell cross-sex hormones with no prior psychological evaluation required.
So in answer to your question, nobody knows, and trans activists would prefer that no one ever finds out.
Whilst it may well be possible that any drugs such individuals may be taking could well exacerbate their mental health and psychological issues, those issues are certainly pre-existing, and society itself is doing a lot that is actively enabling dysfunctional coping behaviours in these individuals.
In terms of trans and non-binary individuals who I have had the chance to get to know, they have all demonstrated a high number of traits associated with borderline and other personality disorders. Whether they have had a sufficient number of those traits to receive a formal diagnosis of a pd is not something I have been in a position to say, but the behaviours were certainly consistent.
Catastrophising, black and white thinking, baiting, aversion to taking responsibility for their actions, controlling behaviour directed at others, attention seeking, chaos manufacture, circular conversations, emotional blackmail, hypervigilance, are all common factors I’ve observed, although it must be said that only a handful of those I’ve known have demonstrated these to a degree I’d consider dangerous to be around.
I strongly suspect that many of these behaviours only become pronounced when the individuals become involved with the extreme trans political cult that seems to not merely enable, but actively cultivate them. The online trans cult revels in encouraging vulnerable young people who are in need of proper medical and psychologiccal support to become ever more paranoid and exacerbate a sense of persecution from the most mundane and every day situations.
Out institutions have allowed themselves to be captivated by these political extremists as well, meaning that when such individuals should be being challenged for their behaviours, they are not, thus why I’ve had to sit and listen to one such individual ranting on about a pro-trans genocide rally that was little more than a group of ladies trying to consider all of the consequences of a proposed legal change.
First thing that I’d recommend is that these individuals are told to get off twitter, because that is certainly the source of much of the fuel for this kind of extreme dysfunctional reasoning.
It would appear from your comment that our institutions have also been captured by people with personality disorders. That’s a chilling thought.
It’s important not to generalise and claim that it is pds who are the issue, because many people with pds work very hard to have a high level of insight into the issues they have, and to mitigate the effects of those issues on themselves and those around them. Whilst I would bet that some of the predatory activists on the internet have diagnosed pds, I suspect that most gendered confused youth don’t have pds, but instead have fleas, the term used in the pd support community for when they begin displaying such disordered behaviours after being targeted, abused and indoctrinated by predatory individuals with some pd traits.
I would argue that it is these predatory individuals, with a high number of traits commonly associated with pds, who may or may not have any formal diagnosis of a pd, who want to have positions of power and authority so they have a ready supply of people to target, manipulate and abuse. Those with gender dysphoria unfortunately have offered up a plentiful supply of targets for them, and have abnormal levels of legal and social protection, thus the predators identifying as part of their community.
It’s a chicken and egg situation though, so very hard to unpick where the disordered traits originate, but the best way to begin is to stop the communications between vulnerable young people and these online “support” forums and see what behaviours remain away from this source of contagion.
“Are many of the trans activists seriously mentally ill?”
Well they suffer from gender dysphoria, a mental illness, so one would assume so.
Just for the record. Gender dysphoria is only considered a mental health disorder if the person concerned doesn’t want to feel that way. If they’re content to feel that way then its not.
True, but that, in and of itself is part of the problem. Our diagnosticians no longer measure a behavior or a perception against reality…especially not against what used to be called ‘normal’ before normal became a no good, very bad, terrible word.
For the modern Diagnostician, if I believe myself the King of Siam, and I am content in that belief, and further, I’ve compelled those in my immediate circle to call me ‘Your Majesty’ and bow, enhancing my contentment, then my Royal Dysphoria is not a disorder. In reality, of course, it is. Because I am not the King of Siam (makes me sad to say that!), and I never will be. My belief is delusional. And even though I enjoy the delusion that I am a King (or my wife is a hat….as per Oliver Sacks), my enjoyment does not make the belief less a delusion which does, indeed, require treatment.
Our goal should be…to bring the patient back to a degree of recognition and comfort with…reality. Not their ‘lived reality’….but reality reality….as in a man can never ever ever ever become a woman.
There is truth in what you say, but its not the whole story, what we have is a tension between two positions, and we need to keep that tension as best we can. Medical ethics is rightly wary of deciding what reality reality is, partly because if you do that too often, you find yourself on the wrong side of the obvious ethical fence. The last gay person to be locked up under the British mental health act [for being gay] was in the 1970s, not so long ago. Look at what passed as psychological reality in the fairly recent past, and what you can see is stuff that’s profoundly misogynist for example. Psychiatry wisely and ethically tries to stay out of that swamp or at least tries to as best it can, and tries to talk in functional terms, not in terms of simple right and wrong.
What would you say to someone who said ‘I am a trans woman’ ie wasn’t claiming there is no difference between them and a biological woman. Lots of trans people fall into this category
Thank You for this. My son is a trans man and by far the biggest threat to him right now is the so called “trans activist” movement.
BTW, my son is fine with being a trans man, not a man – and acknowledging that he is female, not male. Even though he looks exactly like a man, he is happy with who he truly is: an adult human female who transitioned to relieve sex dysphoria.These lunatics do NOT speak for him.
“The murderous and suicidal rhetoric,” the user wrote, “the violence against women and children, should’ve stopped years ago. Another good time to discontinue it would be now.”
Just testing to see if this unobjectionable sentiment that Reddit’s algorithms seem to have deleted receives the same treatment here.
That is actually a very good.comment.
Reddit seems like a left-wing echo chamber from what I have seen there. Now in fairness, everywhere online is an echo chamber of some sort. It’s complete polarization.
Jeremy – you need to go watch ‘Salty Cracker’ in the streaming platform ‘Rumble’, haha, he calls a sick thing a sick thing, to the point it is almost shocking – to hear sanity spoken in the mad world sounds like Crazy talk. haha, if I ever link to him my post disappears.
I have not watched it today, but it is streaming as I write.
Rainbow Terrorism ReeEEeE Stream 03-29-23
and the cover picture of today’s show is worth a thousand words….haha
Reddit doesn’t moderate based on algorithms. Despite being profit making and owned by the Chinese, it relies on unpaid volunteer moderators who run each page. That means a trans person went out of their way to delete the offending post. It was not an accident.
Profit making and owned by the Chinese…Like Tik Tok? When will my fellow Americans wake up and smell the coffee, and realize that Xi and his government are waging a war against us, and purposely targeting our youth? Not only that, but our government seems to be aiding and abetting?
Thanks for that insight. I had no idea Reddit was Chinese owned or that it was moderated by unpaid volunteers. If you have unpaid volunteers they will invariably by driven by some ideology. Only a crackpot who wants to censor other people’s thoughts would do the job voluntarily.
I think all websites should have to declare exactly how they are moderated so their biases are explicit.
Ironically my entirely unobjectionable response comment has gone into moderation. I expect it will come out of moderation in due course but it is irritating nevertheless.
The practical section of my comment was that all websites should be required to explicitly publish their moderation methods. I don’t mean simply the usual list of broad categories that could result in deletion but who or what means of interpreting these are used.
I strongly recommend the podcast, The Witch Trials of JK Rowling. It’s definitely worth listening to the whole thing as it provides a lot of history, context, dissenting voices and of course JKR herself, whose composure is remarkable. Given the kind of abuse hurled at her for saying things that most of us would agree with, I have absolutely no doubt that we are dealing here with numerous deeply disturbed and dangerous MEN, who must not be allowed to dictate our laws and policies.
I would suggest hysteria being a mjor force in poliitcs started with the French Revolution, then the Communist , followed by Hitler and then one watches films of the Beatles concerts in the USA most of the girls are completely hysterical. In Britain the Chartist Demonstrations of the 1840s and the CND marches of the 1950s were peaceful yet the Anti- Vietnam Demonstrations resulted in hysterical violence. Why?
To me it appears a lack of responsibility for one’s emotions. If one is undertaking dangerous work, say in a mine during a collapse or explosion or a trawler hit by a wave and in danger of sinking or combat, one has to remain level head ,calm, be capable of being graceful under pressure, no matter how exhausted one is. The vast majority of Left Wing Middle Class have since the 1930s lived a life where if one loses ones’ head, lose control, become hysterical andnone does not die. The Left wing Intelligentsia live in a world of ideas divorced from reality. If their ideas are proved wrong, they have no tangible proof of their existence. To lose an intellectual debate is therefore an existential threat. On the buildings designed by Wren are the words Wren Fecit. Practical people can be judged on the physical results of their actions.
Not just the left
Manifestos are released for every other shooter. Why do transgenders get special treatment by the state? Its contents must be far more destabilising for the trans movement than they are letting on.
Same O Same O, I suspect.
Those who know best, what’s best for US have decided that — thus far: you can’t handle the truth.
They can, of course, because they know best.
But we little ones, the hoi polloi, all of us in the peanut gallery…nah, we probably couldn’t grasp it, and we might cut ourselves in trying!
“No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?”
What is “trans”? Is it a psychological condition? Is gender dysphoria the result of a physiological event, such as exposure to certain hormones in the womb? Or is it a purely subjective experience? What does it mean to be unambiguously biologically male, but strongly believe you are “actually” female, or vice versa?
Trans activists appear to believe that even asking the simplest questions constitutes violence or genocide. They claim that government schools MUST instruct every child that a significant number of people are “born in the wrong body,” that this explains whatever discomfort they feel with puberty, and that this “problem” can be solved with surgery, hormones, and lifelong medicalization. These claims have nothing to do with “science” or any other objective notion of truth. I flatly reject the claim that everyone is morally obligated to go along with such obviously terrible ideas.
The extreme trans activists cannot be reasoned with or compromised with. Their ideology must be forthrightly opposed, and must be defeated.
From 2001-2010 or so, every time a Muslim did something violent, the American press uniformly went out to a mosque to interview an imam who claimed “Islam is a religion of peace” and his “community was under attack by islamophobia”.
Today, every time a trans person does something violent, the American press goes out to a left-wing, trans activist group who claims “trans people just need acceptance” and “our community is is under genocidal attack from transphobes every day”.
There’s no difference.
Every Muslim is not responsible for violent Muslims. But ignoring that Islam does preach violence against infidels under some circumstances is foolishness. Every trans person is not responsible for violent trans people. But ignoring that many trans activists preach about taking vengeance on transphobes is foolishness.
There are some people (in both groups) who are simply not civilized and need to be treated that way.
Has anyone else noticed that a lot of young people have suddenly started wearing clothes and hairstyles which make them look incredibly ugly?
The further we move away from that point in time at which we, too, dressed & styled in such a way that our own parents & grandparents thought: Oh my God, what is Billy doing!!…. the closer we come to the point that you’ve already recognized. So here & now we ask: OMG, what the hell is Billy doing??!!
A time for every season, I guess!
Yes. There is literally nothing aspirational about the style of today’s youth. Out of shape, unkempt, oily, dirty techno coloured hair, baggy androgynous clothing, asexual and unhealthy. Looking back on youth style over the decades, these people look like zombies. Fifties, hippies, disco, heroine chic, grunge…..grunge is the closest I’d say but still no match.
Shootings in the US may be a wake up call but they’re on an indefinite snooze cycle.
Trans doesn’t exist. It’s just a lot of gay kids in a conservative era who are embarrassed to admit they’re gay, and are calling themselves “trans” instead. That, and a middle-class white enthusiasm – nowadays common among the white left (trans b/s) and the white right (deep state fantasies) for imagined prejudices directed at them, so that they can be as performatively “oppressed” and woke as the MeToo and BLM idiots.
Isn’t it the case that homosexuality (ie the LGB) reliably trends at appx 2% of a population? Recent polls have found people who are identifying as gender non-conforming (ie the TQ+) is much higher. Just as it is the case that most trans-activists are allies and not ‘trans’ (as per the broad Stonewall definition),so it is the case that most ‘trans’ and trans-activists are not LGB.
From a UK Ministry of Defense report “Human augmentation has the potential to impact every facet of our lives and even change the meaning of what it means to be human. It could challenge philosophical concepts, our belief systems, and ethical and legal frameworks in ways we have not anticipated,”
The author uses the word apocalyptic in this article. It means a revelation and comes from the vision in the last book in the Bible. That revelation is about the rebellion that takes place against God and His creation at the time of the end, and God’s response to it. A time of God’s grace will end and judgment will begin. That’s why the word is associated with upheaval and destruction.
What the transgenderists and transhumanists, who are powerful people in our societies, are doing for money and sexual perversion is nothing short of rebellion against God. Those who take part join in that rebellion.
We are living through the Era of the Victim. Victimhood is the currency of political pressure, since it justifies extreme behaviour in response to presumed danger and violence from a group associated with traditional power – generally cis-male white men and those deemed “adjacent” by victimhood promoters.
Whether or not it is real no longer matters, because the response to the claims of the self-proclaimed “victims” is now a proven path to accruing power for those who manipulate them. Witness Biden’s lionising of trans people, as he has of every other group the liberals recognise as their chasse gardée, those they can count on for political support. New Zealand this week demonstrated the same method successfully.
Trans will be followed by other movements of small, specialised groups, whose “victimhood” will be developed and manipulated for political gain. The end game is to break the spirit of conservatives, and with that the structure of Western society, for its ultimate deconstruction.
This is being accomplished by an unholy alliance of neo-marxists and likely CPD strategists, with the enthusiastic support of media and political elites who value personal power above the survival of civilisation itself.
Helen Joyce in her book ‘Trans’ talks about the rise of identity politics, fanned in universities – an ‘identitarian youth wing’ if you like. In concert with civil rights organisations/‘think tanks/campaign groups, many politicians (especially those whose decisions are influenced/informed on the battleground of social media) have been captured by the movement – or otherwise just ‘jumped on the bandwagon’ to get the ‘youth vote’
The narcissism in the West driving this is deeply troubling. You get it from MAGA people and “trads” too as well as BLM and the wider Left.
Is it like some kind of required liberal doctrine to equivocate Trump supporters with radical Neo-Marxist ideologues. Is it a precondition to maintaining your Holier Than Thou Liberal Card?
If anyone is being honest with themselves, they would acknowledge its a false premise. This Smolletism has to stop. Nobody fears getting attacked by Trump supporters, having their stuff stolen or vandalized or put in fear for having an opposing viewpoint.
When Trump was President the left felt completely emboldened to trash the President publicly which is their first amendment right. With the current Regime everybody walks on eggshells.
When Jan 6th happened there was Universal agreement that it was a bad thing and those who were violent deserved punishment. When BLM and Antifa riots burned down cities across the country, left activists found it liberating and were even able to expand their corporate reach because companies just placated activist demands out of fear.
The false equivocation is utter nonsense.
Can we have opposing viewpoints? Is this allowed? There is one this is not allowed..the nature of corporate imperialism. Products for every *type of person in society. These products define, and delineate who we are, who we are associated with. This capitalism people! Love it or leave it!
All movements have their loony end.
Why should they stop using a tactic that is proving so successful for them?
Both sides are mythologising their martyrs. Time for some grown up, restrained discussion, by both sides.
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