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The Tory civil war over gender advice in schools

UK Education Secretary Gillian Keegan has caved to key tenets of trans ideology. Credit: Getty

July 19, 2023 - 9:30am

The Conservatives can’t be said to be in touch with the public mood on many subjects, but there is an important exception. Tory ministers and MPs have been outspoken in defence of women’s rights and single-sex spaces, making the official Opposition look feeble by comparison. Now, though, the Government’s delay in publishing trans guidance for schools is ringing alarm bells.

It’s being reported that ministers have been told that the tough guidelines supported by the Women and Equalities Minister, Kemi Badenoch, might need a change in the law. Victoria Prentis, the Attorney General, has apparently told colleagues that the proposed guidance on “social transitioning” in schools would be unlawful because gender reassignment is a protected characteristic under the 2010 Equality Act.

But reports about the legal hurdle raise questions about whether the Government is having second thoughts. Did they really wait until this late stage to seek legal advice? It’s a highly emotive subject, with some parents said to be angered and upset after discovering that their children have been allowed to use new names and pronouns at school without their knowledge. Teachers have been waiting for months for official advice, with Rishi Sunak promising in March that it would appear this week.

Government sources have denied that the delay is due to a conflict between Keegan and Badenoch, but rumours about rows in the Cabinet persist. We’ve known for ages that a handful of Tory MPs — Caroline Nokes, chair of the women and equalities committee, for instance — are sympathetic to the demands of trans activists. But parents have been hoping that the Government would draw a line against the encroachment of gender ideology in schools, where it has been adopted largely under the radar.

The idea that children can be trans is hugely contested, with NHS England warning that “social transitioning” — where kids change their names, clothes and pronouns — is not a neutral act. Two weeks ago, Keegan caused dismay when she suggested that 16- and 17-year-olds should be permitted to change their pronouns at school with parental consent. “We think the answer to that is yes,” she said.

It now appears that the “we” in that sentence may not include Cabinet colleagues like Badenoch. Critics of the proposal highlight that allowing pupils to adopt new names and pronouns doesn’t happen in isolation, forcing classmates to accept one of the key propositions of trans ideology. Why should a teenage girl have to pretend that a boy in her class is now a girl, when she knows perfectly well that he has male genitals?

There is apparently agreement that single-sex toilets and changing rooms will not be affected when pupils change their gender, ensuring protection for girls who don’t want to share intimate spaces with boys who “identify” as girls. Last month it was reported that police had been called into a secondary school in Essex following allegations that four female pupils had been sexually assaulted by a teenage boy, three of them in “gender-neutral” toilets.

If the Cabinet really is split on this issue, it is further evidence of how deeply the UK’s political parties have been influenced by organisations such as the controversial charity Stonewall. Leading figures in Labour, the Lib Dems, the Greens and the SNP have repeatedly made fools of themselves with their willingness to repeat meaningless slogans about sex and gender. 

The Tories’ days in government are numbered, but they still have time to do the right thing for children and parents. They need to clamp down on this nonsense in schools before any more damage is done.


Joan Smith is a novelist and columnist. She was previously Chair of the Mayor of London’s Violence Against Women and Girls Board. Her book Unfortunately, She Was A Nymphomaniac: A New History of Rome’s Imperial Women will be published in November 2024.

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RD STevens
RD STevens
11 months ago

The AG is wrong if she claims gender is a protected characteristic under the EA 2010. It’s is gender reassignment that is protected. However schools rushing to support and affirm adolescents ‘new gender’ is not required by that Act or any other nor is failing to do that a breach. The clearest explanation of this issue is on the Sex Matters website. I encourage people to read it. Even the AG.
https://sex-matters.org/posts/schools-and-safeguarding/why-is-the-government-getting-in-such-a-mess-over-the-schools-guidance/

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
11 months ago
Reply to  RD STevens

The Sex Matters commentary is very much the way to go. It acknowledges the truth of a pupil’s sex while treating pupils with dignity without pandering to fantasy.

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
11 months ago
Reply to  RD STevens

I was about to make the same comment. And note that S7 of the Equality Act specifies that reassignment requires physiological changes – social transitioning is not protected.
Also note S85 (10) means that ‘misgendering’ a pupil is not harassment under S26.

Sarah Atkin
Sarah Atkin
11 months ago
Reply to  RD STevens

Exactly right. Gender reassignment refers to adults who have a GRA. How can anyone, least if all someone in government, think children have a legal right to self-ID? Adults don’t. If the law is unclear (and this is misinterpreted), then clarify the law to make it so. Also, clarify sex in the Equality Act as well. Many in Scotland are hoping clarity in England brings some sanity and helps change happen here.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
11 months ago
Reply to  RD STevens

The Sex Matters commentary is very much the way to go. It acknowledges the truth of a pupil’s sex while treating pupils with dignity without pandering to fantasy.

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
11 months ago
Reply to  RD STevens

I was about to make the same comment. And note that S7 of the Equality Act specifies that reassignment requires physiological changes – social transitioning is not protected.
Also note S85 (10) means that ‘misgendering’ a pupil is not harassment under S26.

Sarah Atkin
Sarah Atkin
11 months ago
Reply to  RD STevens

Exactly right. Gender reassignment refers to adults who have a GRA. How can anyone, least if all someone in government, think children have a legal right to self-ID? Adults don’t. If the law is unclear (and this is misinterpreted), then clarify the law to make it so. Also, clarify sex in the Equality Act as well. Many in Scotland are hoping clarity in England brings some sanity and helps change happen here.

RD STevens
RD STevens
11 months ago

The AG is wrong if she claims gender is a protected characteristic under the EA 2010. It’s is gender reassignment that is protected. However schools rushing to support and affirm adolescents ‘new gender’ is not required by that Act or any other nor is failing to do that a breach. The clearest explanation of this issue is on the Sex Matters website. I encourage people to read it. Even the AG.
https://sex-matters.org/posts/schools-and-safeguarding/why-is-the-government-getting-in-such-a-mess-over-the-schools-guidance/

Samantha Stevens
Samantha Stevens
11 months ago

Having taught HS English for 25 years in the States, I can attest that teenagers have an incredibly unreliable sense of who they are. They try on identities like clothes. About ten years ago, all the girls claimed to be bisexual or lesbian, and dated each other, mostly I think to get the attention of the boys ironically. Now I see those same girls posting their wedding and baby shower pictures on Facebook – married to young men. The formerly goth kids are now homeowners, working in banks. To say kids should be driving the conversation, let alone the flying the plane, is just crazy talk.

Simon S
Simon S
11 months ago

Thank you for this

Simon S
Simon S
11 months ago

Thank you for this

Samantha Stevens
Samantha Stevens
11 months ago

Having taught HS English for 25 years in the States, I can attest that teenagers have an incredibly unreliable sense of who they are. They try on identities like clothes. About ten years ago, all the girls claimed to be bisexual or lesbian, and dated each other, mostly I think to get the attention of the boys ironically. Now I see those same girls posting their wedding and baby shower pictures on Facebook – married to young men. The formerly goth kids are now homeowners, working in banks. To say kids should be driving the conversation, let alone the flying the plane, is just crazy talk.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
11 months ago

What Margaret Thatcher would have referred to as the Wets in the Conservative Party seem to have swallowed whole the Stonewall line as well as DEI, ESG and the other shibboleths of the bien pensants. What is particularly terrifying is the fanaticism with which they seek to enforce their views as demonstrated by the revelations of Coutts approach to Nigel Ferage as revealed in detail in the Telegraph today.

Chipoko
Chipoko
11 months ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

The Tories are heaving with woke activists and sympathisers. This party had prevailed over the most profound social impositions through the woke agenda that our ‘free’ society has ever experienced. Emboldened by the meek response (or lack of) by the population when freedoms were destroyed in the name of Covid, these people, politicians, civil servants and corporate leaders, have tightened their control over us all. And woe betide anyone, like Farage, who stands against such excesses and orthodoxies.

Glyn R
Glyn R
11 months ago
Reply to  Chipoko

They are heaving with useful idiots and craven cowards not gifted with critical thinking skills.

Charles Hedges
Charles Hedges
11 months ago
Reply to  Glyn R

What percentage of the middle and upper classes have the stomach for a fight compared to 1939 ?

Charles Hedges
Charles Hedges
11 months ago
Reply to  Glyn R

What percentage of the middle and upper classes have the stomach for a fight compared to 1939 ?

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
11 months ago
Reply to  Chipoko

From what I understand, unless you adopt and enforce progressive agenda points, there is a limit to how high you can climb professionally and politically. This transgender nonsense is coming from the very top.

Glyn R
Glyn R
11 months ago
Reply to  Chipoko

They are heaving with useful idiots and craven cowards not gifted with critical thinking skills.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
11 months ago
Reply to  Chipoko

From what I understand, unless you adopt and enforce progressive agenda points, there is a limit to how high you can climb professionally and politically. This transgender nonsense is coming from the very top.

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
11 months ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

I tend to blame intellectual laziness.  
Most people nowadays are comfortable with the idea that genuine minority groupings – gay people, black people, disabled people – should not be treated badly merely for being who they are.
Fair play for all is a motto most people can get behind.
So when lazy and fair minded people read about another minority group, the trannies, the knee-jerk reaction is to think, “oh well, we need to ensure fair play for the trannies also”.
The problem with this is that there is no such thing as trans.  
I still have no idea what a “trans” actually is.
Even Stonewall is unable to enlighten me.
Here is their, er, “definition”:
https://www.stonewall.org.uk/the-truth-about-trans#know-trans
Q on Stonewall site:
“How does a person know they are trans?”
A on Stonewall site:
“Many people know they’re trans from a young age. Some trans people might not have the language or understanding of what it means to be trans until later in life. Other trans people do not know until they are teenagers or adults. There is no right or wrong way to be trans, but what is clear is that it’s not something that’s a fad or a ‘lifestyle choice’ and that all trans people deserve to be treated with dignity and respect. If you aren’t recognised as being the gender you know you are, it’s extremely damaging.”
Clear as mud.
Now try adapting that question for straights and gays – see how clear and simple the answers are:
Q: How does a woman knows she’s straight?
A: She’s sexually attracted to men.
Q: How does a woman know she’s gay?
A: She’s sexually attracted to women.
When something actually exists, it’s easy to define.
I defy anyone to read the stonewall “definition” of what a trans person is and tell me what it means.
Schools are now extending equality policies to includes the fantasies of the mentally disordered.  

Chipoko
Chipoko
11 months ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

The Tories are heaving with woke activists and sympathisers. This party had prevailed over the most profound social impositions through the woke agenda that our ‘free’ society has ever experienced. Emboldened by the meek response (or lack of) by the population when freedoms were destroyed in the name of Covid, these people, politicians, civil servants and corporate leaders, have tightened their control over us all. And woe betide anyone, like Farage, who stands against such excesses and orthodoxies.

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
11 months ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

I tend to blame intellectual laziness.  
Most people nowadays are comfortable with the idea that genuine minority groupings – gay people, black people, disabled people – should not be treated badly merely for being who they are.
Fair play for all is a motto most people can get behind.
So when lazy and fair minded people read about another minority group, the trannies, the knee-jerk reaction is to think, “oh well, we need to ensure fair play for the trannies also”.
The problem with this is that there is no such thing as trans.  
I still have no idea what a “trans” actually is.
Even Stonewall is unable to enlighten me.
Here is their, er, “definition”:
https://www.stonewall.org.uk/the-truth-about-trans#know-trans
Q on Stonewall site:
“How does a person know they are trans?”
A on Stonewall site:
“Many people know they’re trans from a young age. Some trans people might not have the language or understanding of what it means to be trans until later in life. Other trans people do not know until they are teenagers or adults. There is no right or wrong way to be trans, but what is clear is that it’s not something that’s a fad or a ‘lifestyle choice’ and that all trans people deserve to be treated with dignity and respect. If you aren’t recognised as being the gender you know you are, it’s extremely damaging.”
Clear as mud.
Now try adapting that question for straights and gays – see how clear and simple the answers are:
Q: How does a woman knows she’s straight?
A: She’s sexually attracted to men.
Q: How does a woman know she’s gay?
A: She’s sexually attracted to women.
When something actually exists, it’s easy to define.
I defy anyone to read the stonewall “definition” of what a trans person is and tell me what it means.
Schools are now extending equality policies to includes the fantasies of the mentally disordered.  

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
11 months ago

What Margaret Thatcher would have referred to as the Wets in the Conservative Party seem to have swallowed whole the Stonewall line as well as DEI, ESG and the other shibboleths of the bien pensants. What is particularly terrifying is the fanaticism with which they seek to enforce their views as demonstrated by the revelations of Coutts approach to Nigel Ferage as revealed in detail in the Telegraph today.

N Satori
N Satori
11 months ago

The 2010 Equality Act – drafted by Harriet Harman, endorsed by Polly Toynbee and worshipped by the Left wing moral bullies who run so much of this country. A major part of the toxic legacy of the Blair/Brown years in fact. I suppose it would be expecting too much to see it repealed.

N Satori
N Satori
11 months ago

The 2010 Equality Act – drafted by Harriet Harman, endorsed by Polly Toynbee and worshipped by the Left wing moral bullies who run so much of this country. A major part of the toxic legacy of the Blair/Brown years in fact. I suppose it would be expecting too much to see it repealed.

Matt M
Matt M
11 months ago

The conservative counter-revolution that Mary H wrote about this morning can’t come soon enough!

Matt M
Matt M
11 months ago

The conservative counter-revolution that Mary H wrote about this morning can’t come soon enough!

Arkadian X
Arkadian X
11 months ago

In fairness maybe they want to make sure the guidance is water tight and cannot be challenged later on.
In any case, and whatever the reason, they MUST do something about this.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
11 months ago
Reply to  Arkadian X

That’s my take too. The issue in question is ‘social transitioning’ which may (or may not) be a youngster trying out a new identity for size – a notoriously difficult stage in many people’s lives especially at the older end of the school cohort as they seek to move away from the expectations they’ve been raised with. Again, that may or may not be to do with gender.
The legislation therefore needs to be very carefully drafted, since errors could result in the Tory government running out of time in office before getting it through parliament. A few more weeks to undertake further scrutiny, whilst frustrating for all concerned, is worth getting it right.

Sarah Atkin
Sarah Atkin
11 months ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

It’s guidance for schools. Not legislation. ??? I agree with the need to get it right. The evidence suggests that social transitioning is very difficult to come back from (the Tavistock stats.) It is a major step. The consequences are life changing and irreversible. Worse for girls. These are complex cases. That’s undeniable. These young people require intervention and support. What politicians need to ask themselves though is this. Do we facilitate self-harm in children? Answer: no. Then the starting point for guidance is easy. Protect children.

Sarah Atkin
Sarah Atkin
11 months ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

It’s guidance for schools. Not legislation. ??? I agree with the need to get it right. The evidence suggests that social transitioning is very difficult to come back from (the Tavistock stats.) It is a major step. The consequences are life changing and irreversible. Worse for girls. These are complex cases. That’s undeniable. These young people require intervention and support. What politicians need to ask themselves though is this. Do we facilitate self-harm in children? Answer: no. Then the starting point for guidance is easy. Protect children.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
11 months ago
Reply to  Arkadian X

That’s my take too. The issue in question is ‘social transitioning’ which may (or may not) be a youngster trying out a new identity for size – a notoriously difficult stage in many people’s lives especially at the older end of the school cohort as they seek to move away from the expectations they’ve been raised with. Again, that may or may not be to do with gender.
The legislation therefore needs to be very carefully drafted, since errors could result in the Tory government running out of time in office before getting it through parliament. A few more weeks to undertake further scrutiny, whilst frustrating for all concerned, is worth getting it right.

Arkadian X
Arkadian X
11 months ago

In fairness maybe they want to make sure the guidance is water tight and cannot be challenged later on.
In any case, and whatever the reason, they MUST do something about this.

Simon Neale
Simon Neale
11 months ago

For years, I had grumbled that never, in 40 odd years of voting, had my MP sought my views or even spoken to me. Then, during the last local elections, Gillian Keegan turns up on my doorstep to solicit my vote for a Tory county council.
I give her, politely but firmly, the reasons why I, conservative-minded, will nevertheless not vote for anyone in the current Tory party. Immigration, the BBC, Universities, bodged Brexit, and woke nonsense in schools. She promised me that the cabinet were working flat out to fix these, and that we would see a transformation.
I’m waiting, Gillian. Let me know when you have found your conservative principles.
Another point. I note that several contributors have taken the trouble to debunk the idea that gender is a protected characteristic under the 2010 Equality Act. I’m sure they are right, but perhaps we should repeal it, just to be on the safe side…

Simon Neale
Simon Neale
11 months ago

For years, I had grumbled that never, in 40 odd years of voting, had my MP sought my views or even spoken to me. Then, during the last local elections, Gillian Keegan turns up on my doorstep to solicit my vote for a Tory county council.
I give her, politely but firmly, the reasons why I, conservative-minded, will nevertheless not vote for anyone in the current Tory party. Immigration, the BBC, Universities, bodged Brexit, and woke nonsense in schools. She promised me that the cabinet were working flat out to fix these, and that we would see a transformation.
I’m waiting, Gillian. Let me know when you have found your conservative principles.
Another point. I note that several contributors have taken the trouble to debunk the idea that gender is a protected characteristic under the 2010 Equality Act. I’m sure they are right, but perhaps we should repeal it, just to be on the safe side…

Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
11 months ago

‘Gender’ is not a protected characteristic in the Equality Act. ‘Gender reassignment’, ridiculously is (what actually is ‘gender’?) but there is clearly a grey area about whether a minor can announce that they are undergoing ‘gender reassignment’.
Because the Equality Act was mainly intended to apply to workplaces, it covers people of sixteen and over. Children are not covered.

Michael McElwee
Michael McElwee
11 months ago

It must be said, once again, that there is no such thing as transitioning from male to female or visa versa. One can make cosmetic changes, but only that. Those changes make it clear just how male the would-be female still is.

Michael McElwee
Michael McElwee
11 months ago

It must be said, once again, that there is no such thing as transitioning from male to female or visa versa. One can make cosmetic changes, but only that. Those changes make it clear just how male the would-be female still is.

Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
11 months ago

‘Gender’ is not a protected characteristic in the Equality Act. ‘Gender reassignment’, ridiculously is (what actually is ‘gender’?) but there is clearly a grey area about whether a minor can announce that they are undergoing ‘gender reassignment’.
Because the Equality Act was mainly intended to apply to workplaces, it covers people of sixteen and over. Children are not covered.

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
11 months ago

How can a mental disorder be a protected characteristic?

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
11 months ago

How can a mental disorder be a protected characteristic?

Adrian Smith
Adrian Smith
11 months ago

Given that the “guidance” in schools at the moment predominantly comes directly from Stonewall with a number of schools being pert of their “Champions” scheme, some more sensible guidance is urgently needed, even if it cannot address all the issues in one go.
At least the Tories are prepared to debate the issues. Their days are numbered and unless there are some radical advances in protecting free speech on this and other “Social Justice” issues, then we may not even be able to read and comment on articles like this in a few years!

Adrian Smith
Adrian Smith
11 months ago

Given that the “guidance” in schools at the moment predominantly comes directly from Stonewall with a number of schools being pert of their “Champions” scheme, some more sensible guidance is urgently needed, even if it cannot address all the issues in one go.
At least the Tories are prepared to debate the issues. Their days are numbered and unless there are some radical advances in protecting free speech on this and other “Social Justice” issues, then we may not even be able to read and comment on articles like this in a few years!

Margaret TC
Margaret TC
11 months ago

Here’s a brave woman who’s actively seeking to challenge what’s going on in schools: https://youtu.be/q7Mhyc4d7M4

Terry Raby
Terry Raby
11 months ago
Reply to  Margaret TC

this is a very vigorous speech from the Bad Law project. Highly recommended

Terry Raby
Terry Raby
11 months ago
Reply to  Margaret TC

this is a very vigorous speech from the Bad Law project. Highly recommended

Margaret TC
Margaret TC
11 months ago

Here’s a brave woman who’s actively seeking to challenge what’s going on in schools: https://youtu.be/q7Mhyc4d7M4

Tom North
Tom North
11 months ago

How can the chair of the’Womens and Equalities Committee’ possibly be in favour of the trans position?

How are these people appointed?

What a bizarre world we live in.

Tom North
Tom North
11 months ago

How can the chair of the’Womens and Equalities Committee’ possibly be in favour of the trans position?

How are these people appointed?

What a bizarre world we live in.

Gordon Black
Gordon Black
11 months ago

Kemi Badenoch, Victoria Prentice, Gillian Keegan, Caroline Nokes, Nicola Sturgeon, Joanna Cherry, Joan McAlpine, Sian Berry, Edwina Davy, Kiera Starmer, … I see a connection … but not a Tory civil war.

Mike Downing
Mike Downing
11 months ago
Reply to  Gordon Black

I agree. Given that girls are disproportionately affected by social contagion (as previously with eating disorders and self-harm) maybe (contrary to the predictions of utopian feminists of yesteryear) women are the more likely to not protect the rights of other women. What a conundrum indeed ! Be careful what you wish for and be wary of St’s Nicola and Jacinda of the sisterhood of ‘be kind’ bleeding hearts.

Mike Downing
Mike Downing
11 months ago
Reply to  Gordon Black

I agree. Given that girls are disproportionately affected by social contagion (as previously with eating disorders and self-harm) maybe (contrary to the predictions of utopian feminists of yesteryear) women are the more likely to not protect the rights of other women. What a conundrum indeed ! Be careful what you wish for and be wary of St’s Nicola and Jacinda of the sisterhood of ‘be kind’ bleeding hearts.

Gordon Black
Gordon Black
11 months ago

Kemi Badenoch, Victoria Prentice, Gillian Keegan, Caroline Nokes, Nicola Sturgeon, Joanna Cherry, Joan McAlpine, Sian Berry, Edwina Davy, Kiera Starmer, … I see a connection … but not a Tory civil war.

William Hickey
William Hickey
11 months ago

In the US the same people who have lobbied for laws that ban so-called conversion therapy — which is psychological counseling done voluntarily to help gay people re-orient themselves to heterosexuality — are now promoting the “right” of grade-school teachers to counsel children about re-orienting their sexual identities.

We don’t need “guidelines.”

I say treat it like conversion therapy: outlaw it.

Ten years in prison for violators sounds about right

William Hickey
William Hickey
11 months ago

In the US the same people who have lobbied for laws that ban so-called conversion therapy — which is psychological counseling done voluntarily to help gay people re-orient themselves to heterosexuality — are now promoting the “right” of grade-school teachers to counsel children about re-orienting their sexual identities.

We don’t need “guidelines.”

I say treat it like conversion therapy: outlaw it.

Ten years in prison for violators sounds about right

R Wright
R Wright
11 months ago

The Attorney General is a fool who apparently knows nothing about the Equality Act or the Gender Recognition Act. Nothing in either demands that educators play pretend with their charges.

R Wright
R Wright
11 months ago

The Attorney General is a fool who apparently knows nothing about the Equality Act or the Gender Recognition Act. Nothing in either demands that educators play pretend with their charges.

Jerry Carroll
Jerry Carroll
11 months ago

When did the Tories cease to be conservatives?

Jerry Carroll
Jerry Carroll
11 months ago

When did the Tories cease to be conservatives?

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago

I don’t want the state intervening in the relationship between children and parents. If they decide the child should socially transition, the state should not prevent it. Medical intervention is a completely different issue if it’s paid for with tax dollars.

In some provinces in Canada, kids are socially transitioning without the permission of parents, without parents even being told. This is unacceptable as well – a different side of the same coin.

Last edited 11 months ago by Jim Veenbaas
Alison Wren
Alison Wren
11 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

But socially transitioning kids in school is demanding that everyone else involved tells lies….. teachers, kids, everyone!! A big no to gaslighting!!!

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago
Reply to  Alison Wren

No it doesn’t. Teachers should follow the wishes of parents of course, but students shouldn’t be forced to use someone’s preferred pronouns etc…

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago
Reply to  Alison Wren

No it doesn’t. Teachers should follow the wishes of parents of course, but students shouldn’t be forced to use someone’s preferred pronouns etc…

Alison Wren
Alison Wren
11 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

But socially transitioning kids in school is demanding that everyone else involved tells lies….. teachers, kids, everyone!! A big no to gaslighting!!!

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago

I don’t want the state intervening in the relationship between children and parents. If they decide the child should socially transition, the state should not prevent it. Medical intervention is a completely different issue if it’s paid for with tax dollars.

In some provinces in Canada, kids are socially transitioning without the permission of parents, without parents even being told. This is unacceptable as well – a different side of the same coin.

Last edited 11 months ago by Jim Veenbaas
William Shaw
William Shaw
11 months ago

Based on the progressive attitudes of a majority of young women it’s obvious that eventually the discourse will be dominated by trans-women and their supporters. They will continue to chip away at the protectionist measures that are currently being erected in the hope of restricting participation to the so-called “pure females.” Older women will continue to fight for what they see as their historical female privileges that date from the days of chivalry but they will eventually by outnumbered by a new generation with very different views. Change is inevitable. The old will pass away and the young will shape their own future.

William Shaw
William Shaw
11 months ago

Based on the progressive attitudes of a majority of young women it’s obvious that eventually the discourse will be dominated by trans-women and their supporters. They will continue to chip away at the protectionist measures that are currently being erected in the hope of restricting participation to the so-called “pure females.” Older women will continue to fight for what they see as their historical female privileges that date from the days of chivalry but they will eventually by outnumbered by a new generation with very different views. Change is inevitable. The old will pass away and the young will shape their own future.