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Major trans survey avoids mention of detransitioners

The National Center for Trans Equality provides a one-sided picture of gender transition. Credit: Getty

February 8, 2024 - 1:20pm

Yesterday, the National Center for Trans Equality published preliminary findings from the latest United States Transgender Survey, providing a snapshot — or perhaps a snapshot of a snapshot — of the demographics, attitudes, beliefs, and experiences of 92,329 individuals who identify as transgender. 

The headline findings include a demographic overview (trans-identified individuals are whiter than the US population as a whole), breakdown of how people self-identify (35% of the sample identified as trans women, 25% as trans men and 38% as non-binary, with crossdressers rounding out the last 2%) as well as self-reported satisfaction with life after transition. 

There were also interesting nuggets buried in the results. For example, among trans-identified adults who have children, 17.6% report having a child who is also transgender-identified. Reporter Evan Urquhart notes that, “[i]n some ways that figure is very high” and may support “the hypothesis that some aspects of gender identity may be genetically heritable”. Other interpretations — that parents who model trans identification will predictably exert influence over their children’s self-understandings — are available. 

 The researchers acknowledge a few of the survey’s many limitations, namely that the sample was not randomised and may not be representative of trans-identified individuals in the United States. Respondents were recruited through transgender advocacy organisations, LGBTQ support groups, health centres and online communities, and were incentivised to participate by the possibility of winning cash prizes. (The last time this survey was conducted, back in 2015, there were no mechanisms in place to prevent respondents from participating multiple times — thus increasing their chances to win prizes and skewing the results — and there is no evidence to suggest that researchers took any steps to verify participants’ identities and prevent repeat responses.) 

Activists wasted no time in mobilising these latest results in service of the cause. But the USTS survey data doesn’t settle any of the arguments in which it will be enlisted. The survey evades critical questions about desistance and detransition, even as activists deploy the results as a “gotcha” to outlets reporting on negative outcomes of transition or pointing to the rapid rise of trans identification among adolescent females. 

Sure, 94% of adult respondents describe themselves as a lot or a little more satisfied with their life after transitioning. But if you only survey people who currently identify as transgender (as the USTS does), you shut out negative outcomes. Ask active Moonies how they feel about the Unification Church and you may get similarly stellar results. Include former members and the picture will look quite different. And so 94% of currently trans-identified adult respondents do not, in fact, tell us anything about how many adolescents and young adults may regret transition in the future. That’s not to mention the highly persuasive effects of sunk costs. The sacrifices patients make on the altar of transition — removing healthy body parts, consigning future fertility and sexual pleasure — make it painful to reconsider whether transition is working. 

Among respondents who reported having undergone “gender-affirming” surgery, 88% said they were “a lot more satisfied” post-surgery. But patient satisfaction is a notoriously unreliable measure of whether a procedure that is advertised as a treatment for a medical condition worked as intended. The use of patient satisfaction — rather than more reliable indicators such as ability to function in society and symptom management — strikes at the uncertain status of transgender surgeries. Activists argue these interventions are “life-saving”, but patient satisfaction is how we measure the results of cosmetic surgery, not actually life-saving interventions like insulin therapy or chemotherapy. 

The survey also highlights struggles that just about everybody could find it in their hearts to care about: 30% of respondents reported having experienced homelessness; 11% reported losing employment due to their gender identity or expression; 48% reported negative experiences with healthcare providers, including physical abuse; and 24% reported that fear of such mistreatment interfered with seeking medical care. Of the 16- and 17-year-olds surveyed, 60% reported experiencing difficulties at school, including bullying and harassment. 

Public support for activist priorities like putting boys in girls’ sports and green-lighting hormonal and surgical interventions for adolescents is quickly crumbling. Yet a platform built around addressing issues like homelessness, discrimination in employment and healthcare settings, and bullying in schools would likely attract wide sympathy and support. These issues speak directly to the safety and dignity of individuals who identify as trans, and don’t require anyone else to adopt metaphysical beliefs about gender or pretend sex doesn’t matter. If trans activists decide to start searching for common ground, this is it.


Eliza Mondegreen is a researcher and freelance writer.

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Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago

Hi, liar Mondegreen. That survey did not ignore anyone — and you won’t show they did either. They couldn’t hardly find any. I realize that destroys your narrative by which you justify the grotesque abuse you want to inflict on transgender children and people.
But you have no facts whatsoever backing your claims.
Try citing your sources which actually support you.
Go ahead.
https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/over-90000-satisfied-responses-in
Poke so little as one factual hole in this account of it.
And even if you can’t, have the courage to leave this comment here.

Steven Carr
Steven Carr
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

Which should children have more access to – drugs which chemically castrate them, or cigarettes?

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Steven Carr

Children meeting the diagnostic criteria for it should have access to medical treatment for a medical problem, where that treatment has the sole good result found in over 70 years and has such a good result. And of course, for actual children transition is social only.

Steven Carr
Steven Carr
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

Puberty is a medical problem?

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Steven Carr

The puberty of the sex is a problem for transgender people.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

What medical problem requires the removal of body parts that function as intended? Being pumped with puberty blockers is hardly “social only.”

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

The medical problem of a boy having breasts and a period, and for a girl to develop a bead or a deep voice — these should be obvious medical problems to you. Puberty blockers are only given to children for precocious puberty, a medical problem. Teenagers with the medical problem of having been born transgender may be given puberty blockers for that medical problem.
You have yet to show a 13yo is the same as a 3yo, or a 7yo is the same as a 17yo.
You also have yet to show any ill, irreversible results occurring in the real world — not just theorized to happen, but measured to happen — when teenagers are given puberty blockers for reasons of their meeting the WPATH criteria for it.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

Boys do not have periods. Speaking of things that should be obvious.

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

They do if they are transgender boys and have functioning female sexes.
That is obvious to people who are not deliberately ignorant bigots, which is to say, evil and stupid.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

Periods occur among girls. This has never been in question, except to the ghouls insistent on experimenting on kids.

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

Periods occur among people with uncontrollably growing endometrial tissue. Several of those people are cisgender men.
https://www.rupahealth.com/post/complementary-and-integrative-medicine-for-endometriosis-treatment-in-men-testing-diagnosing-and-treatment-options
There is no such experimentation, liar.
You should look up appendix of the testes and utricle of the prostate — and generically start learning what is real about the actual variances in human sexual dimorphism.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

Periods occur among people with uncontrollably growing endometrial tissue. And these ‘people’ are known as women.
There is no such experimentation, liar. Yeah, there is. Otherwise, a word like ‘detransition’ would not exist. They’re kids. Throughout history, many boys and girls have deviated from stereotypes. They usually become men and women, straight or gay. Which one of those outcomes bothers you the most?

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

As I have already proven, endometriosis has occurred in cisgender men.
“Otherwise, a word like ‘detransition’ would not exist.” <– It is you being an idiot for you to claim that the existence of any false positive any where in medicine makes all medicine experimental.
But then you are self evidently an idiot.
Of course you may be making a special pleadng that only false positives in gender affirming care makes that field experimental — which also confirms you to be a deliberate idiot.
And dishonest. Like Mondegreen.

V R
V R
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

Those 16 men in all of medical history who had endometriosis did not have periods. Period is a colloquial term for menstruation, which is the shedding of the uterine lining which then exits the vagina as a blood-like substance. Men do not have uteruses, ovaries or vaginas, and therefore cannot shed a uterine lining.
And what causes endometriosis in men? Taking oestrogen, that’s what. Usually to manage cancers that rely on testosterone, but I expect we will soon see an uptick in cases of male endometriosis amongst trans-identified men who take oestrogen.

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  V R

I did not claim they menstruated, which implies actual emission. Nevertheless, they were growing the tissue which menstruates — that from which menstrual fluid issues.
“And what causes endometriosis in men?” <– Random bad luck. You have no excuse to pretend they were taking estrogen.

Alan Bright
Alan Bright
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

Serious Q, Talia. When you use the words ‘boy’ and ‘girl’ what do you mean?

Steven Carr
Steven Carr
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

Boys can’t have periods.
They don’t have a uterus.
Are you claiming transwomen have periods?

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Steven Carr

“Boys can’t have … have a uterus.” <– Only usually.
“Are you claiming transwomen have periods?” <– That depends. Which symptoms of a period are you “counting”?

Steven Carr
Steven Carr
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

Let me put this simply.
Transvestites don’t have periods.

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Steven Carr

“Transvestites don’t have periods.” <– So what?

John Murray
John Murray
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

“Respondents were recruited through transgender advocacy organisations, LGBTQ support groups, health centres and online communities, and were incentivised to participate by the possibility of winning cash prizes.”
Junk in, junk out.

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  John Murray

Mondegreen’s claims are the “junk”.

Martin Goodfellow
Martin Goodfellow
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

Troll Alert! It’s best not to respond to this person, who is not accessible through reasoned arguments.

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago

Not even one person here is making any reasoned or reasonable arguments to the contrary of anything I am saying.
The Social Conservative position reduces perfectly to the fact you resent the fact transgender people exist and you intend to eliminate them as much as possible from existing, by abusing them in law and policy. To that end, you purposefully maintain ignorance of reality, and lie incessantly.

Martin Goodfellow
Martin Goodfellow
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

Since ‘Gender’ is a false concept, based only on imagination, no one is or can be ‘transgender’, thus there is no point in resentment or abuse, and no one’s right to life is denied. Peace be with you.

Steven Carr
Steven Carr
9 months ago

‘“the hypothesis that some aspects of gender identity may be genetically heritable”.’
Big, if true.
Have scientists managed to find any genes which decide if a person is male or female?

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Steven Carr

“Have scientists managed to find any genes which decide if a person is male or female?” <– No, they have found many of variable influence as to which aspects of masculinity and femininity a person is likely to develop.

Steven Carr
Steven Carr
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

What is an aspect of masculinity that females don’t have?
And how does removing the breasts of somebody make them more masculine?
Do women who have breast-cancer surgery report feeling they have turned into men?

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
9 months ago
Reply to  Steven Carr

Yes. Many of them feel it detracts from their femininity and hate it. Your answer is only an internet search away.

Steven Carr
Steven Carr
9 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

So they don’t feel they have turned into men?

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Steven Carr

I doubt they do, and why would they? What makes someone a man or a woman is how their brains have developed while in utero.
Not the sex which developed between the legs.

Steven Carr
Steven Carr
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

What are the main differences between male brains and female brains?
And which genes dictate how brains develop?

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Steven Carr

https://taliaperkinssspace.quora.com/People-are-born-transgender-they-are-not-mentally-ill-it-is-no-paraphilia-it-is-a-physical-birth-defect-no-more-a-men
There are about 11 links there and a link to another list of links which demonstrate what you are asking about.

Steven Carr
Steven Carr
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

I shall ask again.
What are the main differences between male brains and female brains?

Don’t fob me off by articles purporting to claim that transwomen have different brains to real women.

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Steven Carr

I have already answered you. Stop ignoring that, liar.

Lindsay S
Lindsay S
9 months ago
Reply to  Steven Carr

Trans women do have different brains to women’s, they have men’s!
I read an article once that said mentions are more focused. It describes men putting subjects in individual boxes, allowing them to focus n one thing at a time, as opposed to women who are more easily distracted by multiple subjects.

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Lindsay S

“Trans women do have different brains to women’s, they have men’s!” <– As a matter of fact they do not.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

As other readers on Quora point out, none of those articles you linked support your statements.
Almost no-one had a problem with trans-people until it became a political issue. I can accept that there are many men and women who want to be the opposite sex and would like to present themselves as such to the outside world. The actual problem lies not in you or what you do to yourself to confirm your preferred self-image, but that many activists demand that big government coerce private and public institutions to enforce their views on others.
Even if every word you say on the matter is 100% scientific fact (very few things are 100%), others shouldn’t be forced into believing it. It’s like telling Creationists that they will lose their job if they refuse to believe in Evolution Theory.
I think the majority of Unherd commenters don’t object to the fact that you exist, but that we are told to dismiss centuries of scientific inquiry to accommodate a very tiny percentage of the population who base their arguments on emotional rather than logical appeal.

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

“As other readers on Quora point out, none of those articles you linked support your statements.” <– That is a lie, they do support my statements. In fact, they exclude from the possible, what your ilk claim. You and those commenters never point out a fact detracting from the data at those links, you and they only claim it, without citations.
“Almost no-one had a problem with trans-people until it became a political issue” <– No one really has a problem with transgender people– it is only a politically motivated pogrom against them. It is a ginned up and recently so, moral panic.
“Even if every word you say on the matter is 100% scientific fact (very few things are 100%), others shouldn’t be forced into believing it. It’s like telling Creationists that they will lose their job if they refuse to believe in Evolution Theory.” <– No one should have a job as a geologist, who is a Flat Earther. No one who believes non-Caucasians are subhuman should be able to vote away the rights of people who are not Caucasian.
No one who believes gender does not exist physically as a result of in utero sexual dimorphism, or that that development is always congruent perfectly to the sex of a person, should be able to force those who know better to live as those former delusional souls “believe” they “should”.
“I think the majority of Unherd commenters don’t object to the fact that you exist, but that we are told to dismiss centuries of scientific inquiry to accommodate a very tiny percentage of the population who base their arguments on emotional rather than logical appeal.” <– The point you bigoted, delusional imbecile, is that those centuries of inquiry have resulted in known facts of which you disapprove of for your emotional reasons.
You have no physically measured facts justifying your claims.
I do.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
9 months ago
Reply to  Steven Carr

In part, they do, yes.

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Steven Carr

“What is an aspect of masculinity that females don’t have?” <– Are you asking for the general or the most exclusive case, or the mythical Platonic ideal case?
“And how does removing the breasts of somebody make them more masculine?” <– Because estrogenated, developed breasts are a feminine body part. Duh.
“Do women who have breast-cancer surgery report feeling they have turned into men?” <– They frequently state they feel less feminine, and have gender affirming breast reconstruction. Of course, near all women are cisgender women, aren’t they?

Steven Carr
Steven Carr
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

‘What is an aspect of masculinity that females don’t have?”’
No answer, of course.

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Steven Carr

I already have — those links. You are ignoring it, because you are willfully a liar.

denz
denz
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

It seems you link to your own blog and claim proof.
You need more than that Talia

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  denz

I know you don’t bother trying to learn anything, because you do not know that is a link to a list of links to research, first and foremost.

Aidan Trimble
Aidan Trimble
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

And here he is, right on cue.

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Aidan Trimble

And you demonstrate you have no facts whatsoever involved, per your usual.

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
9 months ago
Reply to  Steven Carr

I’m going to assume you already knew that males have an XY pairing on the 23rd chromosome and females have XX and that this determines the genetic sex of the individual, and in most cases the outward appearance of the genitalia (exceptions exist) and that you actually meant whether other genetic factors can be indicative of transgenderism. That is a fascinating question that could reach well beyond transgender issues. It’s possible that genetic traits found elsewhere in the genetic code have different influences on males and females. It’s also possible that certain characteristics affect natural selection by having asymmetric effects on the survival and reproductive rates of males and females. It’s even possible that over time natural selection has tended to produce genetic differences between males and females independent of the usual XY mechanism. If proven, this would have profound effects on the way sex and gender are viewed in the field of biology as a whole and provide a new paradigm in which to view sexuality in humans and other species. Moreover, it would provide concrete, measurable, medical justification for radical, life-changing treatments like surgery and hormone therapy that the activists are advocating.
That being said, I doubt any of the activists would be the least bit interested in this because it would mean that individual preference would no longer be the sole determining factor for treatment, which by the way I’m fine with. I’m a Libertarian and a big believer in the right to bodily autonomy and strict consent requirements for medical treatment. I just don’t want schools and activists helping children get radical therapy without parental consent (when I grew up, my school had to have a signed consent form to give a student a Tylenol). That’s where I draw the line and I think it’s positively bonkers that this is in any way controversial. I also don’t want transgender rights to come at the expense of women’s rights in terms of spaces reserved for women such as women’s sports, women’s prisons, etc. I personally wouldn’t allow my (nonexistent) kid to transition because I don’t feel the science at present is good enough to justify the risks involved, but I respect the rights of parents to raise their kids according to their beliefs. If I had a daughter who had to compete with people who were genetically male and had to watch them dominate the playing field, I’d probably be right pissed about it as well.

Adrian Smith
Adrian Smith
9 months ago
Reply to  Steven Carr

Yes they are called X and Y chromosomes and they are completely deterministic at conception as to whether a person is male or female. The only complication to this is where an aberration occurs and someone ends up with XXY or XYY rather than XX or XY.
There are many other genes which determine the sort of person we might become (our personalities) and these combine with the environment we grow up in in complex non deterministic ways that produce the final product. This means there are some personality traits or characteristics which are more prevalent in men and some that are more prevalent in women, but none are exclusive to one sex or the other. However the fact that some people have more of the traits more commonly associated with the opposite sex has been hijacked by gender ideologues as some bizarre proof that people can literally be born in the wrong body.

Bruni Schling
Bruni Schling
9 months ago
Reply to  Steven Carr

Among my friends there are a father and a son, who both independently and unbeknown to each confessed to me their transsexual leanings. It is noteworthy that the son did not grow up with his father but with his mother. Meanwhile they have both “come out’ to each other.
I know this is only anecdotal evidence but it certainly supports a hypothesis of a genetic factor in some cases.

Spoiler

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
9 months ago

When a key element is left out, that’s not a survey; it’s a propaganda piece, which is not surprising considering the topic. Children are being sterilized and mutilated in the name of a few deluded adults.

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

Comments like yours arise from you trusting a liar like Mondegreen.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

Comments like mine are based on the reality of sterilization presented as “care.” Mengele would be proud.

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

And claiming a man should want to be pregnant or a woman should want to father a child — since you do want that, you are “Mengele”.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

I never claimed either of those things, mostly because they’re both impossible. But carry on.

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

Yes, you did. What is impossible is your claim that human sexual dimorphism is perfectly always per usual in this regard — literally you are delusional.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

Yes, you did. Where? Point to where I said either of those things.
What is impossible is your claim that human sexual dimorphism is perfectly always per usual in this regard  — I didn’t make that claim, either, and now you’re moving the goalposts to account for the extremely rare anomalies that have nothing to do with what the trans crowd is pushing.

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

“Boys do not have periods. <– Right there, for one, you claimed perfection exists in nature about that part of human sexual dimorphism.
Variances from the usual in human sexual dimorphism in one way or another number 1 in 50 people.
One in 150 people are transgender — which means their gender between their ears developed at odds with the sex between their legs enough that they notice it.
You are claiming no such people exist, that the congruence of the sex between the legs and the gender between the ears is always perfect.
You are self evidently an idiot.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

Right there, for one, you claimed perfection exists in nature about that part of human sexual dimorphism. — Uh, no. What I have claimed is the reality in numbers far beyond the 1 in 50 or 1 in 150 people dynamic that you’re using to shift the argument.
The trans movement is not about the miniscule number of genetic anomalies that exist. It’s about people who “identify” as something and demand the rest of us to treat the claim as gospel.

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

“What I have claimed is the reality in numbers far beyond the 1 in 50 or 1 in 150 people dynamic that you’re using to shift the argument.” <– Except I can and have proven what I say, and you can not.
You are only a liar wishcasting.

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
9 months ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

“Mengele would be proud”
You lost this argument with your first comment, old boy!

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

You have a habit of making slurs against not just this author but against those who comment on her (and other) articles.
So, let’s put this to the test. Point out the lies in this article, would you?
I’ve tried to defend you on other occasions, pointing out your views deserve to be heard. To continue with any sense of your own self-respect, you need to justify your comments.

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

They are not slurs, they are perfectly defensible and even obvious facts. If you or she views them as slurs, the onus on her is to alter her behavior so they are not facts any longer.
“Point out the lies in this article, would you?” <– I already have. UnHerd is so protective of it’s bigoted, factless herd mentality it has failed to permit the link filled lengthy comment.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

Just point out, in your own words, one of those facts.
Bigots wouldn’t be giving you that option – they’d be making slurs in return, so it’s up to YOU to demonstrate the lies in this article, and therefore that it’s not you that’s bigoted. Just one will do.

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

They are representatively found here, among other places.
https://taliaperkinssspace.quora.com/People-are-born-transgender-they-are-not-mentally-ill-it-is-no-paraphilia-it-is-a-physical-birth-defect-no-more-a-men
“so it’s up to YOU to demonstrate the lies in this article” <– I already have. It is up to UnHerd to have the courage to let that comment stay up.

Steven Carr
Steven Carr
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

So if transwomen really are women, why are so very many of them reluctant to be castrated?

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Steven Carr

Prove so very many are reluctant.
You will also need to demonstrate that HRT is not “castration” after your sort of bigot screams quite so loud about “chemical castration”.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

The link has now re-appeared, and like you i wish Unherd would stop “disappearing” comments that are part of someone’s argument – rather than just slurs.
As it happens, in my NHS career i’ve witnessed patients with true dimorphism which was manifested through indistinct reproductive organs. That doesn’t mean they were born transgender, since the latter is a psycho-social construct. To say that it isn’t is also to say that gender is immutable!
Those who, having reached the age of consent, wish to be identified as a gender which doesn’t match the characteristics they were assigned at birth should be given every assistance and sympathy. Prior to the age of consent, the suspicion remains there’s an agenda to try to trans genuinely gay young people by the tranactivists. Now, that is bigoted. What do you say?

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

Murray, there is no chance you are credible in claiming an “NHS career” when you write “true dimorphism” when all humanity has sexual dimorphism, and whatever any individual develops is true for that individual.
Gender is utterly immutable, you will cite no instance of it changing or being changed post-parturition.
What you are calling slurs is only accurate description.
“Prior to the age of consent, the suspicion remains there’s an agenda to try to trans genuinely gay young people by the tranactivists.” <– Not among sane, informed people does it remain, because sane informed people know that is not a possibility, gender and sexual orientation are two different characteristics of a person, and the gender can not be changed, neither can the sexual orientation of a person.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

I trained as a nurse in 1981 and continued until 1991 after which i worked in other sectors of the NHS before retiring in 2016.
I’ve tried to conduct a reasonable argument with you. Turns out you didn’t deserve it. Your claim is not only false but unnecessary, which reflects so incredibly badly on you that you’ve lost any right to self-respect, let alone the respect of anyone else.
From now on, Unherd can do what they like with your utterly bigoted comments.

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

It turns out, you are unable to have a reasonable argument, because you never even pretend you are citing any facts supporting you. You are quite utterly uninformed of what you are speaking about. You deserve no respect, I will render you none.
It is perfectly accurate to refer to you as a child abusing imbecile, because to refuse to engage on the level with facts refuting you is imbecilic, and the result you argue for is the grotesque abuse of some children.

Charlie Two
Charlie Two
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

insult after insult after insult. i could handle those, if there was an argument in between those bits. but there is none. it then becomes truly boring.

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Charlie Two

What you call insult is only accuracy. If anything factual and relevant could be found in what I reply to, there would nothing in my replies you would think an insult.

Charlie Two
Charlie Two
9 months ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

why should they be given every assistance? if someone thinks they are Napoleon, should we help them invade Russia?

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Charlie Two

Because there is no delusion involved in being transgender.

R Wright
R Wright
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

Ah, so you’re an e-grifter. I finally understand.

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  R Wright

No, liar, that is not a monetized site.

Stuart Bennett
Stuart Bennett
9 months ago
Reply to  R Wright

I love reading Talia Perkins posts. It’s like a satire of activism in the same vein as Titania McGrath. How much more of an echo chamber can you be in when you’re referencing your own writing. Glorious!

Hang on a minute… Andrew Doyle, is that you? You cheeky monkey!

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Stuart Bennett

Liar, I know are not really reading anything there, it is all of it facts which refute you.

Simon Boudewijn
Simon Boudewijn
9 months ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

haha – Awaiting for approval

What are the odds? on an article about Tr*ns?

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago

” For example, among trans-identified adults who have children, 17.6% report having a child who is also transgender-identified. Reporter Evan Urquhart notes that, “[i]n some ways that figure is very high” and may support “the hypothesis that some aspects of gender identity may be genetically heritable”. ” <– As does the fact that when 1 of identical twins is transgender, the other twin has 50% chance of also being transgender, even when raised apart from the other twin.

The last time this survey was conducted, back in 2015, there were no mechanisms in place to prevent respondents from participating multiple times

And now there are such mechanisms, you’re complaining?

But if you only survey people who currently identify as transgender (as the USTS does)

Nonsense, that is an outright lie on your part. It is a survey of those who have transitioned, period. They did after all have 100 detransioners respond, where did they come from if they were excluded?
Funny fact, when your fellow bigots in the US tried to have a detransitioner testify to the legislature of Florida, they couldn’t find even one from Florida — they had to import one into the state.

88% said they were “a lot more satisfied” post-surgery. But patient satisfaction is a notoriously unreliable measure of whether a procedure that is advertised as a treatment for a medical condition worked as intended. The use of patient satisfaction — rather than more reliable indicators such as ability to function in society and symptom management

A) Prove patient satisfaction is a useless indicator. B) Mondegreen, you repreat the fraud of Paul McHugh — that if having surgery on the sex (which can only change the sex) doesn’t fix everything about someone’s life, the surgery is a failure.

Activists argue these interventions are “life-saving”, but patient satisfaction is how we measure the results of cosmetic surgery, not actually life-saving interventions like insulin therapy or chemotherapy.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35212746/ Find how the survey is inconsistent with measured, Mondegerrren.
I realize fully reality is not how you want it to be — I do not feel bad for you, but for your victims.
“Public support for …s quickly crumbling.” <– In some places your lies are winning. That will not stay true.
” and don’t require anyone else to adopt metaphysical beliefs about gender or pretend sex doesn’t matter.” <– You have the only metaphysical beliefs involved here. You think gender does not exist and that only the sex between the legs matters.
This leads you to try to force some girls to have beards and deep voices and to force some boys to have breasts and periods — you are the grotesque you pretend that you fight.
You will never have any substantive reply to those facts linked to here:
https://taliaperkinssspace.quora.com/People-are-born-transgender-they-are-not-mentally-ill-it-is-no-paraphilia-it-is-a-physical-birth-defect-no-more-a-men

Steven Carr
Steven Carr
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

‘and to force some boys to have breasts and periods’
There is no more ‘force’ than a claim that society forces them to have adult teeth.
Please prove that ‘transmen’ have the same brain structure as real men.

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Steven Carr

I already have, liar, demonstrated actual physical measurements of people deceased, living, young, old, on cross-sex HRT and not — in what is linked to above — who are transgender have brains either identical to the sexually dimorphic parts of the brain associated with gender not that of their sex, or, are intermediate between the two . . . and similarly to how visibly intersex people are accorded to the sex they most seem to resemble; are that gender as much as any one is.
Because they are 50% plus any degree of development — if there are only to be men and women — they are men and women, regardless of their sex.

Sylvia Volk
Sylvia Volk
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

“This leads you to try to force some girls to have beards and deep voices and to force some boys to have breasts and periods — you are the grotesque you pretend that you fight.” – oh great, you just gave Roku their next b-movie plot.

Derek Smith
Derek Smith
9 months ago
Reply to  Talia Perkins

“This leads you to try to force some girls to have beards and deep voices and to force some boys to have breasts and periods…”

No one is forcing girls to have beards. They could always shave.

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago
Reply to  Derek Smith

That is forcing them to have a beard to be shaved, of course — thank you for acknowledging this is about social conservatives abusing children they think only fit for abuse.

Matt M
Matt M
9 months ago

Oh great an article about a survey of transvestites. Why no in-depth surveys about the life outcomes of other fetishists? What is the unemployment rate for men that like to sniff women’s shoes or the homelessness stats for those that like to have their scrotums nailed to railway sleepers? There are plenty of degenerates around – live and let live, I say but we normal people shouldn’t have to be constantly subjected to news stories about them and their predilections. Frankly, it is an unpleasant topic to contemplate. And our children should not even be aware of the behaviours of these rum types, let alone be invited to join in!

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
9 months ago
Reply to  Matt M

Your fatigue with the issue doesn’t stop you commenting!
Perhaps you find yourself constantly subjected to them because you are not a normal person. You are not psychologically normal and seek out the trauma.

Matt M
Matt M
9 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

My fatigue caused me to comment, in a vain attempt to influence the editors and get them to reduce the number of these stories. If homosexuals make up 1.37% of the population according to the last UK census (as you and I discussed yesterday), transvestites must be a vanishingly small minority. Why do we read so much about them compared to other sexual fetishists. It wasn’t that long ago that the only famous men who dressed in women’s clothes were Norman Bates and Danny La Rue. Now you can’t move for stories about them!

Simon Boudewijn
Simon Boudewijn
9 months ago
Reply to  Matt M

You know why we are being beaten over the head by Trans ideology – it is to normalize it – and why they want it normalized is to destroy Western civilization. s*****m nailers just lack Buzz of good Trans weirdness, or there would be huge amounts of censoring any who thought SN an odd thing to be teaching all the kids about in school.

It is about maximizing harm to young people – and trans is the one they picked because it is flamboyant and complete mental illness which destroys youth. Destroy the young to destroy a society – that is the point of Universities too.

By the way – notice how the Royals are all in the Media for cancer – – same theory – they gave the mRNA to cause an epidemic of cancer and other fatal conditions – so they use Charles and all the A-Listers getting it to make it seem just completely normal to get cancer.

”Yes, you have cancer at 29, but you know it is perfectly normal, look at the King – look at the people in Media – they all have it, it has always been normal for everyone to get cancer, stop worrying about it.”

Talia Perkins
Talia Perkins
9 months ago

It is already normal for 1 in 150 people to say they are transgender.
You are about maximizing harm done to them in retaliation for their existence, because that is how are a mindless, factless, hateful bigot.
And you are silly enough to think there is any increase in cancer caused by a vaccination — you really are poisonously stupid.

Adrian Smith
Adrian Smith
9 months ago
Reply to  Matt M

Given it is highly likely that our next PM will believe that some women have P….s and has vowed to introduce yet more “hate” speech laws and ban “conversion” therapy (which may be defined as anything other than affirmation), the more people who take an interest in this issue and the various facets of the arguments surrounding it the better.

Matt M
Matt M
9 months ago
Reply to  Adrian Smith

I suppose that is a fair point Adrian.

Dulle Griet
Dulle Griet
9 months ago
Reply to  Matt M

I’m a coprophiliac and my pronouns are poo/pee.

Greg Karssen
Greg Karssen
9 months ago
Reply to  Matt M

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R Wright
R Wright
9 months ago

“Respondents were recruited through transgender advocacy organisations, LGBTQ support groups, health centres and online communities, and were incentivised to participate by the possibility of winning cash prizes. (The last time this survey was conducted, back in 2015, there were no mechanisms in place to prevent respondents from participating multiple times — thus increasing their chances to win prizes and skewing the results — and there is no evidence to suggest that researchers took any steps to verify participants’ identities and prevent repeat responses.)”

So, TL;DR is: it’s worthless. Phrenology is about as scientific.

Adrian Smith
Adrian Smith
9 months ago

There are tried and trusted techniques for doing surveys which produce unbiased and therefore reasonably reliable results. I can therefore only assume that by doing the opposite NCTE actively wanted a biased and therefore totally unreliable and therefore totally pointless survey – this sort of thing is the Greta Thunberg of the trans debate.
This is a really good article which covers many of the issues in a balanced way – quite a bit of it is about work done by a trans man who had his assumptions turned on their head when he actually talked to detransitioners.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-outcomes/

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
9 months ago

How come Grayson Perry manages to avoid any flak from either side of this argument?