Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has acquired the reputation in the UK of being a beyond-the-pale nationalist, and epitomising the danger of the current political moment. Is the reputation justified?

In this UnHerd audio debate, Freddie Sayers talks to Peter Franklin and Phillip Blond — both thinkers who would describe themselves as ‘post-liberal’ (in the sense that they believe the current incarnation of Liberalism is no longer working and a new settlement needs to be reached) but who take very different views on the Orban regime.