Les fans des Spartans de l'État du Michigan écrivent «state» sur leur poitrine lors d'un match contre les Trojans de Californie du Sud au Rose à Pasadena, en Californie. L'État du Michigan a remporté le match 20-17.

J’enseigne De la démocratie en Amérique de Tocqueville depuis longtemps, mais ce n’est que récemment que j’ai commencé à apprécier certaines de ses hypothèses les plus profondes et leurs implications sur l’ensemble de l’expérience démocratique. En particulier, j’ai réfléchi aux deux premiers paragraphes du livre.
Je les avais toujours rapidement survolés, car ils me semblaient anodins. Pourtant, Tocqueville maîtrisait l’art de faire des affirmations audacieuses de manière désinvolte. Ces paragraphes sont bien plus radicaux qu’ils ne le paraissent au premier abord. Ils m’ont poussé à soutenir que la première et la plus nécessaire des conditions pour la démocratie est le sentiment d’inclusion.
« Parmi toutes les choses nouvelles qui ont attiré mon attention lors de mon séjour aux États-Unis, aucune ne m’a frappé plus fortement que l’égalité des conditions. Je n’ai eu aucune difficulté à découvrir l’influence extraordinaire que ce fait fondamental exerce sur le progrès de la société ; il donne une direction particulière aux attitudes publiques, un certain style aux lois, de nouvelles lignes directrices aux autorités gouvernantes, et des habitudes distinctives à ceux qui sont gouvernés. »
« Bientôt, j’ai commencé à reconnaître que ce fait même étend son influence bien au-delà des coutumes et des lois politiques ; il exerce un pouvoir tout aussi grand sur la société civile que sur le gouvernement. Il forme l’opinion, crée des sentiments, propose des manières d’agir, et transforme tout ce qu’il n’instigue pas directement lui-même. »
Pour comprendre pleinement ce que Tocqueville entend par « égalité des conditions », nous devons prendre en compte l’écart radical entre les nouvelles sociétés démocratiques et les anciennes. Tocqueville décrit les sociétés aristocratiques comme des archipels de mini-sociétés, chacune habitée par différentes classes de personnes ayant des conditions matérielles très diverses, et par conséquent des ensembles d’émotions distincts. Cependant, sur chaque île, il y avait un sentiment d’inclusion et de reconnaissance mutuelle parmi ceux qui partageaient ces conditions.
La situation aux États-Unis, en revanche, devait être quelque peu différente. Il n’y avait pas d’îles préexistantes de privilège, de pensée ou de sentiment. Au contraire, les premiers Américains se retrouvaient face à un ensemble d’opportunités et de défis communs, découlant de leur nouvel environnement — un pays vaste, peuplé de manière éparse et encore sauvage. Assurer les nécessités de base était difficile pour tout le monde, pas seulement pour une classe particulière. Et au fur et à mesure que la colonisation avançait vers l’Ouest, ils devaient apprendre l’art de l’autogouvernement par eux-mêmes. C’était un redémarrage, d’une manière presque inimaginable aujourd’hui.
Cette tâche, pensait Tocqueville, était rendue beaucoup plus facile par un autre type d’égalité des conditions : l’homogénéité ethnique et religieuse. Les premiers colons partageaient un héritage culturel anglo-protestant, valorisant la liberté religieuse et un stock commun de concepts pour s’engager en politique. Paradoxalement, un certain type d’homogénéité dans l’Amérique primitive a contribué à donner naissance à des principes qui seraient un jour utilisés pour défendre la diversité.
De ces observations, Tocqueville a tiré deux conclusions très importantes. Premièrement, puisque des sentiments humains différents sont générés par des conditions matérielles différentes, ces sentiments doivent être considérés comme des faits bruts aussi solides que les conditions elles-mêmes. L’ensemble des émotions dominantes découlant de l’égalité des conditions dans les démocraties constitue un donné crucial, tant que ces conditions persistent. Deuxièmement, puisque l’égalité des conditions vers laquelle les sociétés modernes tendent est historiquement nouvelle, nous devrions aussi nous attendre à voir émerger des sentiments démocratiques nouveaux.
Quelles sont alors les implications de ces conclusions ? Si la démocratie américaine repose sur un socle de similitude factuelle brute — des défis similaires dans la vie, des aspirations communes et des habitudes partagées — alors le climat émotionnel du régime dépendra du degré auquel cette similitude est maintenue. Si cela change, si les citoyens sentent qu’ils appartiennent à des réalités séparées, si une partie de la population se sent exclue, nous ne devrions pas être surpris si cela déclenche une tempête émotionnelle.
La démocratie américaine, en fin de compte, ne repose pas sur les principes de liberté et d’égalité, comme tant d’interprètes patriotiques l’ont supposé. Elle ne repose pas non plus sur des croyances religieuses, comme le croient ses interprètes pieux. Elle repose plutôt sur un coup de chance. Les conditions matérielles à peu près similaires auxquelles les premiers colons, à peu près similaires eux-mêmes, ont été confrontés à leur arrivée ont naturellement donné naissance à des sentiments d’inclusion et de reconnaissance, qui se sont diffusés dans l’ensemble de la société, et non sur de petites îles d’un archipel.
Les observations de Tocqueville sur l’inclusion n’étaient pas entièrement originales. Réfléchir à la signification politique de l’inclusion et de la reconnaissance mutuelle dans la tradition occidentale remonte à Aristote, a été développé au Moyen Âge chrétien, et continue de jouer un rôle dans la théologie catholique aujourd’hui. Mais son application à la démocratie moderne l’était.
Selon Tocqueville, pour soutenir une société démocratique, les sentiments doivent être engagés puis largement partagés. Ce qui « maintient une majorité de citoyens sous le même gouvernement », c’est l’« accord instinctif et, en un sens, inconscient, résultant de sentiments similaires et d’opinions semblables ». Ce qu’il a en tête ici n’a rien à voir avec une aspiration à la vertu chrétienne, le principe moral d’égalité, ou des appels à une notion artificielle de patriotisme civique réfléchi. Il fait référence à une réalité factuelle, à un fait brut de congruence dans les sentiments des citoyens et leur vision générale du monde. Soit c’est là, soit ce n’est pas là.
Il existe encore des contextes où une congruence de sentiments et de perspectives parmi les Américains devient apparente. Imaginez que vous ayez passé quelques années dans un pays étranger, dont vous avez appris la langue et auquel vous vous êtes habitué. Un jour, vous vous retrouvez dans un restaurant, assis à côté d’un groupe de touristes américains bruyants et loquaces. Soudain, vous vous sentez projeté dans un univers psychologique et moral que vous ne vous rappelez que vaguement. Dans cet univers, tout le monde est ouvert, voire confessional, dans son discours. Le doute de soi et l’ironie ont fui la pièce, chassés par une bonhomie presque oppressive. Le pauvre serveur a été interrogé sur son prénom et est informé que ces nouveaux amis de l’Illinois resteront en contact.
Comment vous, l’observateur américain, vous sentez-vous une fois qu’ils sont partis ? Le son de voix familières pourrait être un répit bienvenu face à la rudesse des Français ou à l’absence d’humour des Allemands. Vous pourriez ressentir l’envie de tirer une chaise et de les rejoindre, sachant que vous seriez accueilli dans la conversation. Si vous avez trop bu, vous pourriez même partager votre adresse e-mail avec eux à la fin de la soirée.
Mais que se passe-t-il si vous avez du mal à vous intégrer dans cette culture étrangère et à ne pas paraître américain ? Que ressentez-vous en enfonçant plus profondément votre tête dans votre exemplaire du Le Monde et en priant pour que les touristes partent bientôt ? Vous ressentez exactement le même ensemble de sentiments que l’autre observateur américain, mais avec une valence négative. Vous vous reconnaissez tous les deux dans vos concitoyens et vous vous sentez impliqué dans leur comportement. Une corde intérieure vibre à la même fréquence que celle de ces intrus, que vous le souhaitiez ou non.
Cependant, malgré cet exemple, nous ne pouvons pas nier que les sentiments d’appartenance démocratique ont considérablement diminué dans nos démocraties contemporaines. Un fossé culturel complexe s’est ouvert, rendant bien plus difficile le comblement de cette division.
L’observation subtile de Tocqueville sur la différence entre les habitants du Sud et ceux du Nord, qu’il a faite lors de ses voyages, pourrait nous éclairer :
« Si deux hommes appartenant à la même société ont les mêmes intérêts et, dans une certaine mesure, les mêmes opinions, mais que leurs caractères, leur éducation et leur mode de vie sont différents, il est très probable qu’ils ne s’entendront pas. »
Même lorsqu’il parlait à des personnes de la même classe sociale et ayant des intérêts économiques similaires, leurs caractères, leur éducation et leurs modes de vie étaient si différents — principalement à cause de l’esclavage — que la reconnaissance mutuelle et l’amitié politique étaient difficiles, et deviendraient bientôt impossibles.
Aujourd’hui, le fossé culturel en Amérique ne réside pas dans la géographie, mais dans l’éducation. Un certain niveau d’éducation — essentiellement un diplôme de licence — est désormais requis pour progresser significativement dans la société. Nous pouvons l’oublier dans nos petits cocons universitaires et urbains, mais un peu plus d’un tiers des Américains adultes possèdent un tel diplôme. Lorsque j’ai vérifié le pourcentage de Manhattanites ayant un diplôme universitaire, que je supposais être un peu moins de 50 %, j’ai découvert qu’il avait grimpé à près de 70 %. Dans le Bronx, ce chiffre n’est que de 23 %. Je n’en avais aucune idée.
Les conséquences de ce fossé ne sont pas seulement économiques. L’université ne se contente pas de fournir une formation pour accéder à des professions lucratives ; elle socialise également les étudiants dans de nouveaux styles de vie, comme les appelait Tocqueville, qui sont bien différents de ceux des moins éduqués. Les diplômés sortent de l’université avec des idées nouvelles sur la manière de se comporter en public et au travail, sur ce qu’il faut manger, comment se divertir, combien d’enfants avoir et comment les élever, comment gérer l’argent et prendre soin de leur santé. Même les corps typiques de nos classes culturelles sont aujourd’hui remarquablement différents.
Le terme de caste est utilisé de manière assez imprécise, mais honnêtement, je ne trouve pas de meilleur mot pour décrire l’ampleur du fossé culturel actuel. Si Tocqueville avait raison de dire que des modes de vie extrêmement différents peuvent séparer des individus ayant des intérêts économiques et politiques communs, alors nous sommes en grande difficulté.
Un sentiment d’exclusion largement partagé, accompagné de toutes les émotions de honte et de ressentiment, est toxique pour les démocraties. Nous vivons désormais avec une nouvelle brutalité sociale, qui génère des faits qui déclenchent de nouveaux sentiments de méfiance, de mépris, de ressentiment, d’antipathie et de retrait. Une grande partie des Américains blancs éprouve, pour la première fois, une gamme d’émotions que les minorités américaines, en particulier les Afro-Américains, ont toujours dû endurer à une échelle bien plus grande.
C’est pourquoi j’ai commencé à prendre très au sérieux le besoin exprimé de se sentir inclus, de « voir des gens qui ressemblent et parlent comme moi », en particulier au sein de nos établissements éducatifs. Dans un livre que j’ai écrit il y a quelques années, j’avais abordé de telles expressions comme étant divisives, arguant que l’accent mis sur les identités de groupe pouvait empêcher les gens de percevoir le bien commun plus large. Bien que cela puisse être vrai, c’est encore plus le cas pour la diversité. Je pense qu’il existe une tension entre les idéaux de diversité et d’inclusion, puisque la première a un effet centrifuge tandis que la seconde produit un effet centripète.
Cependant, les sentiments d’exclusion parmi les Américains aujourd’hui ne se limitent pas aux groupes minoritaires. La classe ouvrière blanche le ressent, la population religieuse le ressent, le Sud le ressent. Notre sens commun de reconnaissance mutuelle s’effrite, et nous n’avons vraiment aucune idée de comment l’arrêter. La crise de l’inclusion dépasse largement nos querelles d’élite sur l’admission universitaire et le recrutement en entreprise.
Y a-t-il une institution qui aide encore les Américains de différents horizons à se sentir inclus ? Le seul exemple qui me vient à l’esprit est le sport universitaire — et pour une raison quelque peu personnelle.
Mon défunt père n’a jamais fréquenté l’université, mais c’était un passionné de sport et il avait développé un attachement vicarial à l’Université du Michigan. Le jour où j’ai été admis à l’université fut le deuxième jour le plus heureux de sa vie, le plus heureux étant le jour où il a vu l’équipe gagner le Rose Bowl. Après être devenu veuf, il venait me rendre visite chaque week-end et nous allions ensemble aux matchs — football, basket-ball, tout. Il a commencé à acheter des souvenirs, et bientôt, tout dans sa maison était couvert de maize et bleu.
Mais la véritable signification de cette expérience pour lui ne résidait pas seulement dans le fait de regarder des sports universitaires. C’était, lorsque nous traversions le campus ensemble, le sentiment de se sentir chez soi. Il connaissait les rues, il connaissait les bâtiments. D’une certaine manière, il se sentait accueilli — même sans diplôme. Et cela l’a certainement rendu plus disposé à payer des impôts pour l’université.
Cette histoire n’a pas pour but de dire que la vie se résume au football — bien au contraire. Je suis simplement attristé et un peu choqué de réaliser qu’il n’y a pas d’autres institutions dans la vie américaine qui parviennent à faire en sorte que des personnes issues de différentes classes d’éducation se sentent toutes incluses.
Et même dans ce cas, je ne suis pas sûr que cela fonctionne encore. Lorsque j’ai assisté à un match contre l’Ohio State l’année dernière, j’ai une nouvelle fois admiré la diversité sociale de la foule et le sentiment palpable de camaraderie parmi les spectateurs. Mais, alors que je passais devant les voitures dans le parking après le match, je n’ai vu que des autocollants exprimant haine ou mépris envers ceux qui ne partageaient pas l’opinion politique du propriétaire. Ce qui se passe dans le stade, semble-t-il, reste dans le stade.
Donc, oui, nous sommes dans une très mauvaise situation.
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Cet article est basé sur une conférence présentée lors de l’événement « Au-delà de l’impasse : Perspectives théologiques sur le DEI » à l’Institut Aquinas de Princeton.
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SubscribeHis assertion “Freedom of movement is a right for Western white people” is the sort of pig-ignorance that one normally only reads in The Guardian. The piece is based on the usual pro-immigration myth that the problem would be solved if only we were to let in some small, fixed number of people. The sad fact is that the easier we make it for people to get in, the more will give it a try.
It wasn’t overly clear but I think the article suggests that he did apply for asylum in France. If nothing else, the article proves that those young men at Calais could stay where they are rather than making a completely unnecessary and dangerous journey.
I amended my original comment.
Yes as an elderly white person I could not settle in Australia say. Rich white people have greater chances of settling elsewhere but poor whites face similar settlement problems.
You try overstaying you visa in the US or Australia
The UK is overcrowded. All races get rejected at immigration if they can’t contribute long term with missing skills or money.
On the contrary, freedom to go in and out of nations whenever you wish has got nothing to do with skin colour!
Oh no! You have to follow the legal requirements in whatever country you are. This isn’t restricted to European countries; nor to majority white-skinned people. It’s sensible rules for countries to be able to care for their legal citizens.
You should have asked for asylum in the 1st western country you entered.
But instead, you tried a to enter via a sob-story! I’m surprised you should try this on in Britain. Not our character!
I entirely understand why someone would flee Afghanistan in the author’s circumstances.
What he doesn’t explain is why he feels those fleeing from their country don’t have options of stopping somewhere short of the UK. In his case he seems to have settled in Paris. What is preventing others from doing so or indeed settling in one of the many countries between Afghanistan and here?
Answers to those questions would have provided a more interesting article.
Agreed. Came to the comments to say the same thing.
Yes, why did he only consider Germany or the Uk?
Because of the universal human right to live in a white country.
Whatever happened to the Maxim gun?
I can’t get my head around why loading kids into a boat to cross the Channel in November is preferable to giving France a shot first. And as a French citizen, you will get actual rights to freedom of movement within the EU via Schengen, in which UK has never participated anyway.
A generation that gave generously to Live Aid 1985 onwards, who believed the notion that Western aid could assist developing countries and allow them to look after their people, trade productively and build democratic institutions, now despairs of any fair solution to this.
In 1985, our national debt had a fair chunk allocated to interest payments and defence. Both have lowered significantly since – defence permanently it seems, interest rates; temporarily as we are about to see. Meanwhile welfare has soared and has only one direction of travel. Taxes are the highest they’ve ever been.
Not only is the country full, by measures of Western Europe, we risk instability ourselves in an era of rising interest rates through trying to service debt, pay for increasing commitments and increasing taxation.
Outsourcing decision making to people smugglers and specialist Human Rights lawyers is madness. People love to froth about extremists, but you could start by watching carefully the circumstances that allow extremism – left and right – to thrive. Neither will be friends of the measures we take that do work (see helpful Matt M. post below).
Why don’t they go to Pakistan or India? Far closer both geographically and culturally and not nasty racist fascists like those yukky whiteys
The writer of the article seems to be oblivious of the fact that coming into Britain across the channel in little boats, via Calais, is illegal, people are doing something they should not be doing.
To say that the police or the charities have “caused” the problems, as the writer does, is crazy.
The obvious answer to the problem from the point of the view of the migrants is, do not head for Calais, it is inhospitable if not horrible and dangerous.
He is basically saying they have some ‘right’ to be wherever they want
And their unwilling hosts are apparently without any say in the matter.
Exactly.
The universal human right to live in a white country.
While on a human level one can sympathise with the residents of these camps, Abdul says the answer is to provide ‘legal and safe routes into the UK’. In other words, a form of blackmail. There are such legal routes, but these should not consist, in any circumstances, people who just show up and decide to force their way across the Channel.
It is good to see the French authorities, who often get heavily criticised, acting to stop making Calais a permanent refugee camp which would only be likely to attract yet more people who have no right to be either in France or the UK.
As is of course usual, there is not a scintilla of interest let alone concern about what the British or indeed French people think about masses of people from entirely alien cultures turning up invited in our countries. We know the answer to that.
The sad truth is that we need a much less hospitable regime to be established to reduce the attractiveness of the UK. Hungary and Poland show it is possible to prevent their invasion by hordes of migrants. In our case this would unfortunately include people not being rescued from their own folly if they choose to get into unseaworthy boats
I would not leave people in danger or distress, but would try to rescue them. I would then remove them to a neutral offshore holding centre for assessment.
We should treat illegal entry as a crime, it should not be treated as anything to do with the asylum system. The penalty for this is being raised to 4 years in prison in the new Nationality and Borders bill. We should bang up anyone who enters via dinghy or in the back of a lorry etc. It should be done immediately on apprehension and widely publicised to deter others.
Offshore processing centres should be used for people who enter via an official route and claim asylum. In effect they would be long-term camps where the hard to deport would be housed. If you are denied asylum, you would either be deported to your home country or else be taken to the Falkland Islands or Ascension Islands (or wherever) and kept in the camp until the situation resolves itself (either by the conflict in your home region ending or by deportation to a regional refugee camp or possibly an amendable third country).
What would the Falkland Islands do with 30000 people?
How many can’t be deported yet aren’t granted asylum? Is it 30k? I would hope the number would be lower.
Why shouldn’t we use a deserted bit of the Falklands? I agree it is logistically challenging but I fear if they stay somewhere where they have easy access to lawyers and probably family members, it will only be a matter of time before they are on the streets. It was only a couple of months ago that a failed asylum seeker tried to blow up a Remembrance Day ceremony.
There are currently only 3000 people living on the Islands, they would be overrun!!
I will defer to your knowledge but I have read that there are numerous uninhabited islands in the Falklands group. Some of which are over a hundred miles and several stretches of open water away from Port Stanley.
Is that true?
Are you aware that there is a nation on this planet called “OUTER Mongolia”?
I mean, talk about a solution that is staring you in the face — OUTER Mongolia.
And the child of people given asylum here blew up kids at Manchester Arena. Assimilation isn’t even possible 2 generations in apparently.
And another child murdered David Amess MP.
There is an ever longer list isn’t there
It would be a deterrent
Do you know anything about the Falklands or Ascension? I do. Won’t work.
I don’t have any knowledge of either I’m afraid. I’m just repeating the stories I’ve read in the press about both options being considered by the Home Office. Of course they could just be have been published to give the impression of action etc
To be honest, I’m not sure offshoring is the be-all-and-end-all. Because it worked for the Aussies we assume it is the key to success.
My main point is we should use the current law against entering the country illegally and the enhanced penalty in the new bill to prosecute and jail people who do so. This would, I hope, make Britain a less appealing target for would be dinghy crossers.
Overstayers have already provided their passports on entry so deportation should be easier. The new bill contains measures to make it possible to apply visa penalties to countries that don’t take back their migrants I.e. prevent them from flying here in the first place.
These measures rigorously applied would make a big dent in the illegal migration/ bogus asylum numbers I think. All without disturbing the Falkland Islanders.
Most migrants today apparently dispose of their passports before arrival, specifically to avoid being deported back to their country of origin.
And anyone believing any new ‘deterrent’ legislation by this government would amount to anything other than the same old words but no action has their head in the sand. If they really wanted to restrict illegal immigration, they would have made a start by now – following in the footsteps of all previous recent governments.
Falkland Islands? Ascension? Ridiculous. Sending even one person to either is a problem.
And should you not ask the existing inhabitants?
The UK has processing centres in their Consulates in every EU country. The problem is that many would-be immigrants to Britain are rejected.
Because the UK is overcrowded.
Where would you say that the “neutral offshore holding centre” should/would be, and who would run it?
On your first point, yesterday some charity in the UK was calling for the RNLI to be charged with manslaughter over the recent tragic drownings…. which occurred in French waters.
“Where would you say that the “neutral offshore holding centre” should/would be, and who would run it?”
I hear West Falkland is lovely at this time of year.
So which European country is going to allow that?
They should all hop a freighter to Mexico and then make their way to the southern U.S. border. I hear it is wide open for anyone to cross. And when they get there, they get a hotel, meals, first world medical care and free college education. All at the expense of the unlimited largesse of the U.S. taxpayer!
I heard a good story the other day from someone in the know. Apparently migrants from a certain Central American country have been arriving in Heathrow of late and claiming asylum. They are processed, rejected and deported. But they are given a deportation package by HMG of several thousand pounds. This is then split with the gang that paid for the initial airline ticket. There is no limit on the number of times they can do this and Immigration have seen the same people half a dozen times.
WTF??
I’ll wait for proof, but unfortunately, it’s all too believable. What’s odd is that one kind of expects it from Blair and the many people who flourished in his time (e.g. Starmer), but it’s carried on unabated under May and Johnson.
We’re the suckers of the world, and are the only ones who don’t see it.
I might try it myself
Yes, we are a wonderful country soon to become a poverty stricken third world country.
You’re taking the same policy with the USA as France is with the UK, except that we’re even providing much of the transport.
Abdul needs to have money and /or skills that the UK is short of. Then he wouldn’t have to illegally break into our country.
“Freedom of movement is a right for Western white people, not for those who are displaced like me.” I have never experienced this – why does the author assume it to be so?
It’s an attempt to accuse Europeans of racism for not giving him and his ilk everything they want
Maybe he threw away his passport?
It’s nothing to do with race. Just money and work-skills.
The situation is tragic, the deaths are tragic, yet I doubt this author is writing in full good faith. I feel sure he’s telling the truth, he isn’t of course doing anything bad, but he sure ain’t telling the full truth – think there are lots of sins of omission. I think this, because it is possible to pick this article apart to such an extent, that I’m not even going to bother trying – I can challenge pretty much every third sentence if I wanted to. He’s peddling something, it’s just not so clear what or why.
He’s peddling ‘I want people like me to be given free rein to run around Europe as we choose’
It’s called “Gimme.”
It’s very popular with a certain sanctified segment of the population here in the States.
Another Calais sob story, more carefully selected photos of children and a mother..
We don’t buy it, mate. This isn’t The Guardian or the BBC. The vast majority of people trying to invade Britain from these camps are young black and Muslim males
There is a safe and legal method to reach the UK, it is called a visa and about 650,000 people who received one in 2019 arrived by ferry or plane. As for improved refugee/asylum seeker access, the fairest method would be to set an annual quota, consisting mostly of families, sourced from UNHCR camps with their bona fides and identity established before travel. Those that choose to self-select should be denied of any chance of permanent residency and should be granted minimal assistance on arrival.
We take 5000 refugees from UNHCR regional camps every year, plus another 5000 family reunions. On top of that we are one of the top donors to the UNHCR and recently increased the funding for camps for Afghan refugees in Pakistan.
This is a humane system and one with wide-spread support among the public.
In addition, anyone – subject to security and other checks – with a job offer with a salary over £30k or in a Shortage Occupation, can get a work visa.
Outside of those routes, people entering the country, or overstaying on a tourist visa should be charged with illegal entry and imprisoned for 4 years or deported immediately.
Exactly. They could get visas as fruit pickers or turkey pluckers ffs. But no, they want ‘asylum’ so they can sit in a hotel all day, complaining about the food, praying and plotting which MP to kill or concert to blow up. I know, that’s a terrible thing to say. But I’m sick of native Brits paying the price for this stuff with their lives. We should NOT have to put up being sacrificed on the altar of ‘diversity’.
Yes, that is unfair. Most countries have an education system which would help them to gain skills missing from UK.
Visa overstay is also an issue
Our “human rights” legislation is the issue…
The new Nationality and Borders bill will:
The government should arrest the first 1000 dinghy entrants on the day the bill becomes law, run them through an ultra-quick court (like those used – by mayor Boris – after the London riots) and bang them up in normal prisons (not detention centres). Then they should advertise this fact as widely as possible so that it is clear to all would-be dinghy crossers that all that awaits them is prison followed by deportation.
Whoever is videoed steering the dinghy should be deemed a people smuggler and given 10 years.
It would do wonders for Boris’s popularity.
Agree!
First of all I agree that this article is full of holes. In fact, it looks like it has been written by a student in the UK, who has deliberately made it bad.
Having said that, those people and more will end up here in the future. The Tories are shooting themselves in their big feet now and at some time Labour will get in. Then there will be a mass migration from Calais to Dover.
Nobody has a solution to the problem.
Indeed. Almost everyone of them is a potential Labour voter and the Conservatives couldn’t care less.
Nobody may have a full solution, but some politicians can make the situation even worse:
In 2004, a new law – introduced by Blair’s government – stopping benefits to illegal immigrants who only claim asylum once they are caught was challenged and overturned by the judge as it contradicted the ECHR precepts. Can you guess who was leading the charge?
“At the hearing a week before, the court heard the consequences of denying support to asylum seekers who did not apply for asylum ‘as soon as reasonably practicable’, as demanded by the new rules. Keir Starmer QC, representing five of the six asylum seekers challenging Section 55, asserted that the Home Office rules had forced the asylum seekers on to the streets…
…. Reacting to the verdict, Home Secretary David Blunkett told BBC Radio 4’s The World At One: ‘Frankly, I am personally fed up with having to deal with the situation where parliament debates issues and the judges overturn them.’”
Interesting…..
No, there is a solution. But the politicians are just too weak to do it.
Abdul. Like you, there are many Afghans who want to live somewhere like we have in UK. That is why you and others want to come here.
However, when the Taliban entered Kabul a few months back there was little resistance. Why was there was no perimeter guarded by the teachers, civil servants and other Afghans who wanted the Western lifestyle?
Why was this? Why were you and the others (who then left Afghanistan in droves), not prepared to stand and fight for what you believed in?
You have complained that the US and UK ‘let you down’, but what about you?
Last week on a UK news program they interviewed some migrants who had arrived by boat. We, UK citizens, were paying for them to stay in a hotel, full board. What did they say? “We don’t like the food. Why are you giving us potato?”
You say you left Afghanistan in 2016. At that time huge areas were under the control of the government and foreign forces. Did you really ‘need’ to leave?
Well said. The level of entitlement from this ‘refugee’ is staggering.
Yes and probably because they think the internet is full of truth……..half the problem
Freedom of movement is a right for citizens of EU member countries that subscribe to the Schengen rules, not for illegal migrants trying to barge in to other peoples’ lands.
Or for British and Irish citizens within the British Isles.
Absolutely.
All muslim countries. Why can’t these people find refuge in muslim countries, some of which are large and self-sufficient in food?
More space for the newcomers, less societal impact from the imposition of a new religion. Everyone happy.
Exactly. Why not be part of the enlightened Ummah of the Prophet instead of fighting to break into Europe where all those horrid nasty racist wypipo live?
I thought that Muslims had to take in fellow muslims from anywhere as part of their religion ??? Bit fishy that they want to come to the evil West – and if so why dont they drop the oppressive Muslim belief system once they arrive – since they obviously dont trust their fellow devotees ?? I have just realized the truth – it must be ‘follow the money’ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Freedom of movement is a right for Western white people”
No it isn’t. Stop lying.
Or you could stay in your country and fix it.
“Freedom of movement is a right for Western white people, not for those who are displaced like me.”
I was not aware that white people are not subject to immigration laws? Hard to believe that it true.
I’m pretty sure he had freedom of movement in his own country. And if he didn’t he should fight for it. Like our ancestors did.
“But they are not particularly suitable for those people who only intend to pass through.”
They’re not supposed to be.
“not ideal if you want to try a boat-crossing”
Again, it’s not supposed to be.
Why is it so hard for you to understand that if the first thing you do in the UK is enter the country illegally, you are not the sort of law-abiding immigrant we want? Come here legally – or don’t come at all. We don’t want criminals.
“ I didn’t have much choice” Not true, the author did have the choice of applying for asylum in any of the countries they crossed getting to France, they chose to get to Calais. I can only suppose they are hoping to get to the UK to access our over-generous benefits system.
I can’t be bothered to read any further if they lie in the first paragraph.
“In truth, it’s mostly the lack of legal and safe access routes to the United Kingdom that contributes to the development of these smuggling networks.”
In truth, it is the insistence of shops goods must be paid for that causes people to shoplift.
So they should stay and fight for their country. This country is still scarred by war. There are UXBs, bullet holes in buildings, modern monstrosities thrown up on top of the rubble of destroyed houses, graveyards full of dead. Our ancestors fought for their home, at great cost. The cowards who flee aren’t fit to lace their boots.
True.
And all of us want a better life. Anywhere
I must take issue with the comment that freedom of movement is a right for Western white people. This is not true. We Brits can only go to the EU for a limited time (90 days) and then must leave. No one can just ‘go’ to Australia etc and I don’t think colour of skin has any significance. But yes of course it is a desperate situation for those waiting. We in the UK must have some control over who enters. Without any control we are entering anarchy and our infrastructure cannot take more people at this stage unless of course they contributr taxes etc. I would say that Mr Saboor has used his initiative and quite possibly been lucky as well and has found a home in France. Good on him and I sincerely hope he succeeds as he has done by writing for UnHerd for instance.
The UK is surely not the promsed land and we certainly will not be with the thousands entering as they do undocumented and unasked. We need skilled workers but we need to check the status and the type of person we are letting in. This needs control and calm but how we achieve that I am unsure other than setting up some sort of system on French soil.
“On both sides of the Channel, governments accuse smugglers of being entirely to blame for the deaths of innocent people. In truth, it’s mostly the lack of legal and safe access routes to the United Kingdom.”
This is plainly untrue. Those crossing the channel are illegals i.e. criminals. The British do not want them, our laws do not accommodate them. Their presence on our shores is currently cost a half a billion pounds sterling per year and rising at a time when the UK has huge problems of its own.
There is only one solution and tat is for the EU and France to recognise that it cannot simply export its problems across the Channel.
They seem to believe that once they have shoved these poor people off the beach then that is the end of their interest,
Even better the EU should fix its leaky borders and not expect Hungary, Poland and Greece to hold the line. These people don’t have ‘rights’ to be in Europe. They could go to India, Pakistan, Iran, Africa, places which are geographically and culturally more compatible.
I remember reading about Kazhall Ahmad. She comes from Kurdistan (the part recognised internationally as part of Iraq), and came with her children, while her husband remained behind, because he was a policeman and didn’t choose to leave at that time. My guess is that once his family had entered, he would have followed. Are they poor? Or oppressed? Guessing, again, I suspect that they know a lot about Britain, and may have friends and relatives here, and that they know that once they gain entry, their health problems, education up to university, housing and old age problems are solved. What is more, who can guarantee what will happen in their area for years to come? In contrast, our police aren’t usually armed, although I’ve seen a huge change in this during my life, as the country changes in character.
I expect they’re sad to leave the country of their birth, but their’s is an entirely rational decision. The problem many in Britain have with it is that if ‘safe ways of coming’ are provided such as to make dangerous journeys unnecessary, we would effectively be removing any limit, and we know that the number who would come is effectively infinite. Just today here in the South East, I passed a major building development (100 acres? 200?) on what was once farm land. And is the sewage plant up to it, just to name one aspect?
Why do they want to get into Britain, and out of the Continent, so desperately?
It is a conundrum not yet solved that the aid given to desperate refugees also helps perpetuate the mechanisms by which they continue to arrive. Where and how many displaced persons can be accommodated by alternative countries? What official international mechanism could replace the illegal dangerous ones in use?
Is this written by Katie Hopkins as a part of false flag operation? Never in my life have I felt so little sympathy for a “refugee”.
“Freedom of movement is a right for Western white people, not for those who are displaced like me.”
Slander. I’m sorry to inform the author that I have no freedom of movement to go to whatever country I want to and be allowed to settle there. Neither does he.
There is no universal human right to live in a white nation. Sorry.
Head south or east. I’m sure Africa will take you and I understand the Asian economies are booming.
Make them fabulous and vibrant places my great grandchildren will envy and want to visit, places filled with technical marvels and sophisticated people.
Yes you can!
Exactly…Let’s ask the people of Ukraine, Belarus, Serbia, and Kosovo about their unrestricted freedom of movement. If they aren’t white enough for Abdul, maybe he can ask some Afrikaners.
Dear Abdul, facing possible torture or death by remaining in one’s homeland I can easily imagine taking the choice of embarking on a dangerous and perilous journey to reach more prosperous lands. However, if the aim of your article was to raise awareness and generate more compassion for the plight of today’s refugees/ economic migrants, sadly it falls short. Sentences such as ‘… the freedom of movement is a right for western white people….’ reveals a gaping ignorance and possible resentment about modern day British and western European societies which will do nothing for your cause no matter how many desperate photos are taken.
If Abdul is facing torture or death, then he can claim asylum.
If he has wanted skills, sufficient money or a job offer, he will most probably be able to get a work permit.
Otherwise, my advice is to gain wanted skills and education, then try again.
There are legal and safe routes, apply for a visa and buy an airline ticket.
It’s a necessary evil.
…. I find many of the comments that have followed this article quite harsh, the article is about people.
I can understand the reasoning behind them, many being worried about the living conditions in their country being aggravated by mass immigration etc due to already overstretched resources and news stories about terrorist incidents, and fear of changes in culture.
But sure we must be able to be more intelligent about our responses to this story: desperate people do desperate things however many barriers you put on. t*t for tat arguments may make us feel better but are only part of simple politics and do not help in resolving the issues.
Immigration is a fact of history and life, … and most western countries will need it due to low natality….and I am sure you can think of many immigrants who contribute to your country
Can you regulate and control all this? If you think this you are delusional. Do you think some of these desperate people really want to come to your country and stay there? many will return home once the situation has improved: this will create links with your country and helps in its prosperity. Much of the debate is about the short or the long view.
And of course there are some very unpleasant people coming along, just like there are already some very non-immigrants unpleasant people already living in your country. Using the immigrant discourse to deflect from the real issues in a country is cheap…
Things then come down to the confidence we have in our country/culture/government and ourselves to be able to manage immigration.
I do agree that countries need sensible policies in relation to immigration: that is normal and natural. But showing some humanity in the discussion sure does not harm anybody… using the immigration issue to score political points is just sad
The UK has a very good immigration system.
Unfortunately, getting yourself an education and extra skills doesn’t seem to be even considered.
Potential immigrants may need to study for years … or less, depending e.g. only a few months ago we had a shortage of HGV drivers.
It is desperately sad that lives are being lost in the attempt to cross the Channel. Against that there is the old saying, “Hard cases make bad law.” If it was as simple as these people want to come to the UK and therefore should be enabled to do so, then the UK could just devote one cross-Channel ferry a day to bring them over in safety. But what would be the consequences of that?
As an economist (Thomas Sewell?) remarked: “There are no solutions: only trade-offs.”
From what I can understand, you fled from the Taliban in Middle-East(?) because you’d ‘helped’ the US army.
However, once you had reached France, you didn’t bother to apply for asylum and are now complaining!
France and Britain both have Consulates in Paris where you can apply for Asylum.
Why didn’t you?