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Back in the Fifties, when he was still an Angry Young Man, novelist Kingsley Amis declared that he would always vote Labour. Come May 1979, however, and he was one of those feeling jubilant at the election victory of Margaret Thatcher’s Conservative Party. “Bloody good, eh?” he wrote to his friend, the poet Philip Larkin. Meanwhile, Peter Hall, the director of the National Theatre, who’d always thought of himself as being on the Left, had been so driven to distraction by a succession of strikes that he too cast his vote for the Tories. “It wasn’t at all difficult,” he noted in his diary. “In fact it positively felt good.”
These were the exceptions rather than the rule in the cultural establishment. For the most part, there was an early dislike of Thatcher that rapidly hardened into hatred. She was, said TV dramatist Dennis Potter, “the most obviously repellent manifestation of the most obviously arrogant, divisive and dangerous British government since the war”. Or, in the words of Jonathan Miller, she “was loathsome, repulsive in almost every way, with her odious suburban gentility and sentimental, saccharine patriotism”.
No previous prime minister had attracted these levels of opprobrium, but more striking still was that she exerted such a strong cultural fascination even before reaching Downing Street. There were jokes about her in sitcoms such as George and Mildred and Fawlty Towers when she was leader of the opposition, and she warranted a mention in Linton Kwesi Johnson’s 1978 poem “It Dread Inna Inglan”: “Maggie Thatcher — on she goes with a racist show, but she has to go.” She went on to set a modern record both for the length of her premiership and for the number of negative appearances she made in comedy and music.
Part of the dislike came from the fact that Thatcher herself appeared so little interested in the world of culture. She was, said Malcolm Williamson, Master of the Queen’s Music, a “stupid mindless Philistine”. Even the former Labour MP Woodrow Wyatt, a friend and devotee, who liked to think of himself as an eminently civilised man, concluded sadly: “She has no taste.”
That wasn’t quite right. As a teenager, she’d been a regular cinema-goer, dreaming of dancing like Ginger Rogers and enthusiastically reviewing the movies she’d seen in letters to her older sister. (“I can’t say I liked it,” she noted of the 1941 adaptation of Love on the Dole.) But her taste never seemed to develop much further.
As an adult, she had better things to do, and the arts were strictly peripheral in her life. She was a guest on Desert Island Discs in 1978, and opted for obvious pieces by Beethoven, Dvorak and Verdi. A decade later, when she was asked about her favourite books, she said she was currently re-reading Frederick Forsyth’s thriller The Fourth Protocol, a novel in which she herself featured (favourably, in this instance). The impression was that she didn’t know much, and cared slightly less. She was more clear about what she didn’t like; she dismissed Francis Bacon as “that artist who paints those horrible pictures”, which may have been the truth but wasn’t the whole truth.
It was all so appallingly middle-brow and — to use that insult of Miller’s — suburban: the most damning of all adjectives in British cultural circles. To make things worse, she disapproved of state funds being used to prop up uneconomic businesses and made no exception for the arts. After all, Andrew Lloyd-Webber was a man of the theatre and he managed to stand on his own two feet without relying on government hand-outs. “Why can’t you be more like Andrew?” she demanded of Hall, who was beginning to regret his 1979 vote. As Jim Hacker said in her favourite TV show, Yes, Minister: “Why should the rest of the country subsidise the pleasures of the middle-class few?” For her enemies, this wasn’t a culture war so much as a war on culture.
As was sometimes the case with Thatcher, however, the rhetoric was not matched by reality. During her time in office, spending by the Arts Council in England and Wales increased by over 20% in real terms. (It fell slightly in Scotland.) There were major new initiatives, as well. One of the biggest projects of recent decades — the building of the British Library — was undertaken on her watch, and there was also the introduction, after decades of lobbying, of the Public Lending Rights scheme, which rewarded writers when their books were borrowed from public libraries.
And then there was Channel 4, launched in 1982 and charged with catering for minority tastes and interests. Jeremy Isaacs, the chief executive of the new channel, understood this as meaning “minorities” in a Ken Livingstone kind of way. “Should black Britons, should the young, should feminists, should homosexuals see themselves, canvass their ideas, on television?” he said. “I see no reason why not. They are of this society, not outside it.” That wasn’t what the government meant. “You’ve got it all wrong,” the Employment Secretary Norman Tebbit told Isaacs. “Golf and sailing and fishing. Hobbies. That’s what we intended.”
It was too late, and the new channel became in its early years a beacon of anti-Thatcherism, giving a platform — among others — to alternative comedians, who suited both the tone of the channel and its tight budgets. Altogether, noted The Times, Channel 4 was “just the sort of thing to inflame that school of opinion, so strong in the upper echelons of the Conservative Party, which believes that the Left is in control of the nation’s television”.
The same law of unintended consequence also operated in Tebbit’s most substantial contribution to the arts. As the dole queues lengthened to three million and more, he launched the Enterprise Allowance Scheme under the slogan: “Inside every unemployed person, there’s a self-employed one.” If you’d been unemployed for at least 13 weeks and could find £1,000 of capital (possibly in the form of a bank loan), then the government would pay you £40 a week for a year to get a business started. The income was tax-free and was substantially higher than the current rate of unemployment benefit.
The intended recipients were the self-employed; plumbers and window-cleaners were the oft-cited examples, and it was reported that an early trial had helped “such diverse activities as a kissogram service, a hang-gliding school, a private detective agency and a lampshade manufacturer”. But there were also applications from people working in the creative industries. In 1984 a group from Solihull, Eye Do It, became the first pop band to release a single under the scheme, with “I Lost My Mind”. That didn’t make much impact, but others were more successful, including artists Tracey Emin and Rachel Whiteread and comedians Alan Davies, Harry Enfield and Sean Lock.
Inadvertently, Tebbit had turned into one of the great patrons of culture in modern Britain. Again, though, there was little gratitude on display. “We weren’t children of Thatcher; we hated her,” insisted McGee. Viz comic, on the other hand, which was another beneficiary of the Enterprise Allowance Scheme, always seemed to have an ironic affection for her; as late as 2009 it pictured her on a “True Blue” cover of Playboy magazine with the headline: “Maggie! Maggie! Maggie! Tits Out! Out! Out!”
The cultural antipathy to Thatcher continued throughout her premiership, but it changed as it went on. The evolving mood was captured most concisely in pop music. Her first term saw the high point of Rock Against Racism and of protest songs. Mass unemployment produced the riposte of UB40’s “One in Ten” (1981) and the Specials’ “Do Nothing” (1980). The B-side of the latter was a cover of Bob Dylan’s “Maggie’s Farm”, which had gained a new relevance: “I ain’t gonna work on Maggie’s Farm no more.” The Beat went with the more direct “Stand Down, Margaret” (1980).
She didn’t heed that advice, and after her re-election in 1983, the tone became more fearful, with a spate of anti-nuclear hit singles by Iron Maiden, Culture Club, Sting and Genesis. The real trend, though, was away from politics and towards charity. The Live Aid concert in 1985 featured Paul Weller’s band the Style Council performing politically engaged songs “Walls Come Tumbling Down” and “Internationalists”, but the central impulse was one that chimed perfectly with Thatcher’s espousal of Victorian values of faith, self-help and charity. Elsewhere, the most memorable song directly addressing Thatcher in 1985 was the Exploited’s punk anthem “Maggie”, not so much a protest as a howl of impotent rage: “Maggie, Maggie, Maggie, you fucking cunt!”
And then, as the years wore on and on, a sense of fatalism descended. Thatcher looked immovable and the fantasies started of her death: the Blow Monkeys’ “(Celebrate) The Day After You” (1987), Elvis Costello’s “Tramp the Dirt Down” (1989), Morrissey’s “Margaret on the Guillotine” (1988). There was still a visceral hatred, but no hope, just a weariness. A decade after she left office, the same theme was to be found in “Merry Christmas, Maggie Thatcher” in Billy Elliott: The Musical (2000), cheerfully celebrating that we were “one day closer to your death”. On 8 April 2013, the day she actually died, the audience at the show was asked if it should be excluded from the night’s performance; overwhelmingly, they opted for it to be left in.
And still, the cultural fascination continues. In the forthcoming movie Reagan, Lesley-Anne Downe will become the latest in a long line of actresses to give us their Margaret, which can be traced all the way back to Janet Brown in the James Bond movie, For Your Eyes Only (1981). Best known was Meryl Streep’s incarnation in The Iron Lady (2011), which in turn inspired the pornographic satire The Iron Lady Garden (2012), with Rebecca More as Aggie Snatcher.
It’s been a long, strange affair, this relationship of Thatcher with the arts. She knew it sort of mattered, which is why, in her first conference speech as Tory leader in 1975, she denounced “those who gnaw away at our national self-respect, rewriting British history as centuries of unrelieved gloom, oppression and failure”. (The context made it clear that she was talking specifically about the BBC.) But it wasn’t really important enough, and there were so many other dragons to be slain.
So while she was busily rewriting the political norms on public ownership, trade unions and the economy, she was losing all the cultural arguments. And since cultural artefacts have a longer shelf-life than do inflation rates, they have increasingly shaped the memory of Thatcher. The further we get away from her, the more public attitudes are shaped by hostile depictions of her and her policies. She still looms large, even for those born after her defenestration in 1990, but she’s seen more and more negatively.
It is worth remembering, though, that when it really mattered, Thatcher’s instincts were absolutely sound. For most of the Eighties, Salman Rushdie was one of the loudest voices of condemnation. Hers were “the politics of the Victorian nursery”, he mocked, and in The Satanic Verses (1988) he referred to her as “Maggie the Bitch”. That was the book that saw Iran offer a $6 million bounty to anyone who would kill Rushdie. In the ensuing tumult, Thatcher saw only a simple principle. “It is a fundamental matter of freedom of speech,” she said. Whatever else she thought about the role of the state, she was sure that one of its duties was the protection of its citizens from foreign governments, and for the best part of a decade — until he withdrew it — Rushdie was given full-time police protection.
He and she only ever met once, at Scotland Yard. Given their very different characters, it seemed unlikely that they could ever find a personal rapport, but somehow a connection was made. “She was very touchy-feely,” remembered Rushdie. “She was, like, pawing at me, and I thought, ‘I’m being groped by the Prime Minister!’”
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SubscribeWell done DP….acutely observed…I’m a long way from the front lines in Eastern Ukraine ( Sydney Australia)
…Dima impresses…but the Ukrainian fighter has always impressed me , as do the average Ukrainian I’ve been observing via news feeds on the YouTube platform….
.from the time , late in February 2022 , I started focusing on the region to today , July 1, 2023.
Instead of a history lesson , be it as part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Eastern outskirts of the Austro-Hungarian Empire , or part of the Soviet Empire…I have to say , I did not pay much attention to the region post 1990.
Stories such as this one bring it home..life & death , an immediacy that catches the breath & forces you to put aside the frivolous attitudes you might have toyed with prior….
DP…keep them coming , but as Dima says stay alive !!
“The main problem since we last met is that we still haven’t received anything from the lend-lease list ”
and
“Also — and we don’t like to admit it, but I will — the quality of the new soldiers is getting worse. Before it was just volunteers, now it’s conscripts and they’re not so motivated. ”
Curiously I don’t see those headlines in the Western MSM nor much commented on here. Neither bode well for this years offensive, never mind a long drawn out conflict.
The Russians have a far larger reservoir of unwilling and reluctant recruits than the Ukrainians, so you’re right. Germany’s population was about a third of Russia’s before WW2. The Reds just kept throwing bodies against the Wehrmacht meatgrinder until German manpower was exhausted. Hitler’s many tactical and strategic blunders completed the rout.
The Russians have a far larger reservoir of unwilling and reluctant recruits than the Ukrainians, so you’re right. Germany’s population was about a third of Russia’s before WW2. The Reds just kept throwing bodies against the Wehrmacht meatgrinder until German manpower was exhausted. Hitler’s many tactical and strategic blunders completed the rout.
“The main problem since we last met is that we still haven’t received anything from the lend-lease list ”
and
“Also — and we don’t like to admit it, but I will — the quality of the new soldiers is getting worse. Before it was just volunteers, now it’s conscripts and they’re not so motivated. ”
Curiously I don’t see those headlines in the Western MSM nor much commented on here. Neither bode well for this years offensive, never mind a long drawn out conflict.
Well done DP….acutely observed…I’m a long way from the front lines in Eastern Ukraine ( Sydney Australia)
…Dima impresses…but the Ukrainian fighter has always impressed me , as do the average Ukrainian I’ve been observing via news feeds on the YouTube platform….
.from the time , late in February 2022 , I started focusing on the region to today , July 1, 2023.
Instead of a history lesson , be it as part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Eastern outskirts of the Austro-Hungarian Empire , or part of the Soviet Empire…I have to say , I did not pay much attention to the region post 1990.
Stories such as this one bring it home..life & death , an immediacy that catches the breath & forces you to put aside the frivolous attitudes you might have toyed with prior….
DP…keep them coming , but as Dima says stay alive !!
Actually, rather typical of the mood on the front lines of any war.
And the mood is far bleaker among Russians on the other side. Far more have died in far bloodier–and fruitless–attacks all winter.
The only way to break this stalemate is to send more weapons.
You’re delusional, the Ukrainians have lost thousands of men and a large number of Tanks and armoured fighting vehicles since they started the “Spring offensive” its been a disaster, complete and total
This time last year Zelensky was telling everyone, he would retake Crimea by Christmas, and you believed him. Right now Z is telling everyone he’s going to retake Crimea by Christmas, and you still believe him
Oh, funny thing though, Putin doesn’t dare call a new draft, while the Ukrainians are drafting people, as mentioned in the article. Guess who’s going to have more troops, and with better motivation?
Every Russian except Putin now knows that this has been a disaster. The ruble is at 87/$ and rising, while the stock mkt is at 982, and falling.
Zero gains by Russia in many months.
The End of Russia, sadly…
Yeah, well, Putin has nukes and will likely use them. He’s not the good guy (and neither is Zelensky), but he’s not losing this thing.
Until he does.
Until he does.
Yeah, well, Putin has nukes and will likely use them. He’s not the good guy (and neither is Zelensky), but he’s not losing this thing.
Max Blumenthal to the UN Security Council. on U-tube.
https://youtu.be/Eq4643bsH8w
Oh, funny thing though, Putin doesn’t dare call a new draft, while the Ukrainians are drafting people, as mentioned in the article. Guess who’s going to have more troops, and with better motivation?
Every Russian except Putin now knows that this has been a disaster. The ruble is at 87/$ and rising, while the stock mkt is at 982, and falling.
Zero gains by Russia in many months.
The End of Russia, sadly…
Max Blumenthal to the UN Security Council. on U-tube.
https://youtu.be/Eq4643bsH8w
You have to be a paid federal agent of some sort. No one who knows anything believes this. Russia has controlled the air and had nearly a 10 to 1 artillery advantage since the beginning.
Everyone who knows anything about military offensives knows that military offensives take at least a 3 to 1 death rate. Only without proper air cover, and artillery cover, (and they have said as much) it’s been far worse for Ukrainian solders, which is proven out by the fact that this big Spring (now Summer) offensive has been a bust.
First it was going to be magic night vision helmets that was going to help them, then magic Leopard tanks… Now it’s magic F16s that won’t show up for months, with pilots with little training on them… This fantasy land stuff kills Ukrainians.
But guys like you, you don’t care. To you this is like a sporting event and you want your team to win. So, people like you just keep pushing anything but peace.
Here are the facts. The Russian military is at this point, much larger, trained up, competent, and powerful. Stop pretending like they are faltering fools with no ability. That is propaganda that kills Ukrainians. Politicians have been pushing that from the start, and it’s wearing pretty thin at this point.
You keep coming on here and saying all these things.
If they’re true, why hasn’t Russia steamrollered Ukraine months ago ?
Or is it just that they’re not really trying at the moment ?
Meanwhile D. Walsh keep saying “Russia is winning”. But they’ve been “winning” for so long (according to him) that they’ve surely “won” many times over by now. And yet, they haven’t …
I think you guys need to seek professional help.
And the Russians are winning, they have destroyed 2 or 3 different versions of the Ukrainian army
Have you not seen the videos of the Leopard and Bradley’s being destroyed before they manage to fire a shot, its a turkey shoot
The next wonder weapon for the Russians to destroy is the F16
I think you must have been facing a mirror, at least subconsciously, when you wrote above: “you’re delusional”. If your overheated insistence on the certainty of major Russian victory had any binding on-the-ground effect, that would have happened long ago.
But let me ask you: Are you just (desperately) convinced the Russians will win, or is that a prospective outcome you would celebrate? What if they were to then swallow Belarus and Estonia–still a rah rah Russophile?
If all other things were equal the army with the artillery advantage would win. Well the Russians have a large artillery advantage, added to that all the other things are not equal, the Russians still have an airforce and the worlds best air defence system
You don’t have to look very hard to find videos of how the “spring offensive” is going, its a disaster, people like ML on here are 100% delusional
Well you certainly sound convinced. Perhaps you are more correct than I want to admit as a North American observer. Still, you seem to alternate between expressing general antiwar sentiments and enthusiastically rooting for Russian success. Do you think if Putin’s expansionist urges are appeased here that they will then subside?
I think we can agree that the ongoing human cost is a nightmare that didn’t need to happen. putting aside one-sided or simplified blame.
I would like the war end today
There was a deal on the table last year, I really wish the Ukrainians took it
I’ll let it go after I say that I think the war would never have started and could end today if not for the disastrous, pointless miscalculations of Putin. Why are you putting the burden on the invaded country?!
If my neighbour constantly encroaches on my garden,taking an inch here,an inch there,placing a trampoline so his kids can annoy me by pretending to be playing but really getting an eyeful of me naked sunbathing and then on Saturdays having all his mates round to drink and smoke weed and chucking all the cans in my garden,well eventually I’m going to take action of some sort. The USA has been doing the equivalent for years and it is the USA who are keeping this conflict going and for quite other reasons than caring about ukranians. No one cares about Ukrainians.
Gosh, you have some issues with trust.
I have reviewed your comments. Churchill was a puppet of whom, exactly? King George VI? The Templars?
And since when was war anything other than a huge waste of money?
You don’t have to love Ukrainians. But you clearly haven’t met many or done much for them.
It seems from your posts that you are insular, antisocial, and blame everyone else for your ills.
May I recommend you watch It Happened Here (1964) – it will give you some clues as to how you could behave were the UK to be invaded.
What a bizarre re-location of the issue. The US-NATO alliance is keeping the conflict going only in the sense that they will not permit some or all of Ukraine to fall, and that’s only after Ukraine demanded respect (from most) with their determined, desperate fightback.
The US is certainly a dominant and self-interested global actor, but not only so. And they have not added territory since 1898. I care about the people of Ukraine and Russia and I care about my Ukrainian neighbors, Russian ones too (there are many of both where I live). I care more about my family and few close friends, of course.
Who is it that you purport to care about by advocating concession to the territorial ambitions of Vlad the First?
Certainly destroying Russia as we speak.
Ruble is at 89, and falling, while the RTS is at 980.
Sleepy Joes’ plan to destroy Russia is on track!
Gosh, you have some issues with trust.
I have reviewed your comments. Churchill was a puppet of whom, exactly? King George VI? The Templars?
And since when was war anything other than a huge waste of money?
You don’t have to love Ukrainians. But you clearly haven’t met many or done much for them.
It seems from your posts that you are insular, antisocial, and blame everyone else for your ills.
May I recommend you watch It Happened Here (1964) – it will give you some clues as to how you could behave were the UK to be invaded.
What a bizarre re-location of the issue. The US-NATO alliance is keeping the conflict going only in the sense that they will not permit some or all of Ukraine to fall, and that’s only after Ukraine demanded respect (from most) with their determined, desperate fightback.
The US is certainly a dominant and self-interested global actor, but not only so. And they have not added territory since 1898. I care about the people of Ukraine and Russia and I care about my Ukrainian neighbors, Russian ones too (there are many of both where I live). I care more about my family and few close friends, of course.
Who is it that you purport to care about by advocating concession to the territorial ambitions of Vlad the First?
Certainly destroying Russia as we speak.
Ruble is at 89, and falling, while the RTS is at 980.
Sleepy Joes’ plan to destroy Russia is on track!
If my neighbour constantly encroaches on my garden,taking an inch here,an inch there,placing a trampoline so his kids can annoy me by pretending to be playing but really getting an eyeful of me naked sunbathing and then on Saturdays having all his mates round to drink and smoke weed and chucking all the cans in my garden,well eventually I’m going to take action of some sort. The USA has been doing the equivalent for years and it is the USA who are keeping this conflict going and for quite other reasons than caring about ukranians. No one cares about Ukrainians.
As usual, your broken English reveals you to be nothing more than a Russian shill. Your comments can be completely disregarded.
I’m Irish
If I occasionally make a mistake, in spelling ect, its because I’m using my phone
I’m Irish
If I occasionally make a mistake, in spelling ect, its because I’m using my phone
That was why tatterdemalion Boris Johnson did that sudden surprise dash to meet up with his mate Zelensky with £15milion of our tax payers money. It was a bribe or pay off to keep the fight going. Their puppet masters needed to keep them on script. This war is far too PROFITABLE all round to end it. It’s going to drag on for years because a lot of people are making money out of it – on both sides. But not us.
Watch Max Blumenthal (u-tube) explain it all to the UN Security Council.
https://youtu.be/Eq4643bsH8w
The war won’t drag on because, as in 1855, 1905, 1917, and 1989, Russia will lose.
Long wars are simply not in the Russian character.
They only won WW2 because of Lend-Lease and an inhuman Stalinist regime.
But Vova is too soft–and too frightened–to go Stalinist.
He still might use the knout, tho.
Russian soldiers who are crippled won’t be able to run away.
Watch Max Blumenthal (u-tube) explain it all to the UN Security Council.
https://youtu.be/Eq4643bsH8w
The war won’t drag on because, as in 1855, 1905, 1917, and 1989, Russia will lose.
Long wars are simply not in the Russian character.
They only won WW2 because of Lend-Lease and an inhuman Stalinist regime.
But Vova is too soft–and too frightened–to go Stalinist.
He still might use the knout, tho.
Russian soldiers who are crippled won’t be able to run away.
I’ll let it go after I say that I think the war would never have started and could end today if not for the disastrous, pointless miscalculations of Putin. Why are you putting the burden on the invaded country?!
As usual, your broken English reveals you to be nothing more than a Russian shill. Your comments can be completely disregarded.
That was why tatterdemalion Boris Johnson did that sudden surprise dash to meet up with his mate Zelensky with £15milion of our tax payers money. It was a bribe or pay off to keep the fight going. Their puppet masters needed to keep them on script. This war is far too PROFITABLE all round to end it. It’s going to drag on for years because a lot of people are making money out of it – on both sides. But not us.
I would like the war end today
There was a deal on the table last year, I really wish the Ukrainians took it
Well you certainly sound convinced. Perhaps you are more correct than I want to admit as a North American observer. Still, you seem to alternate between expressing general antiwar sentiments and enthusiastically rooting for Russian success. Do you think if Putin’s expansionist urges are appeased here that they will then subside?
I think we can agree that the ongoing human cost is a nightmare that didn’t need to happen. putting aside one-sided or simplified blame.
If all other things were equal the army with the artillery advantage would win. Well the Russians have a large artillery advantage, added to that all the other things are not equal, the Russians still have an airforce and the worlds best air defence system
You don’t have to look very hard to find videos of how the “spring offensive” is going, its a disaster, people like ML on here are 100% delusional
I think you must have been facing a mirror, at least subconsciously, when you wrote above: “you’re delusional”. If your overheated insistence on the certainty of major Russian victory had any binding on-the-ground effect, that would have happened long ago.
But let me ask you: Are you just (desperately) convinced the Russians will win, or is that a prospective outcome you would celebrate? What if they were to then swallow Belarus and Estonia–still a rah rah Russophile?
These people adopt contrary narratives, simply because they want to make themselves seem more interesting and in the know than they really are.
And the Russians are winning, they have destroyed 2 or 3 different versions of the Ukrainian army
Have you not seen the videos of the Leopard and Bradley’s being destroyed before they manage to fire a shot, its a turkey shoot
The next wonder weapon for the Russians to destroy is the F16
These people adopt contrary narratives, simply because they want to make themselves seem more interesting and in the know than they really are.
If what you say were true, then Russia would have already won this
warspecial military defeat.That seems to be an unnecessarily heartless comment to Martin Logan. I didn’t get the feeling that he doesn’t care.
Having been in the army many decades ago, I certainly do care about the people on both sides.
But the only way to win any war is to defeat the other side.
Ukraine is doing that.
Having been in the army many decades ago, I certainly do care about the people on both sides.
But the only way to win any war is to defeat the other side.
Ukraine is doing that.
I am reminded of Vietnam. Why didn’t the much larger, wealthier, more populated, more powerful United States win that one?
You keep coming on here and saying all these things.
If they’re true, why hasn’t Russia steamrollered Ukraine months ago ?
Or is it just that they’re not really trying at the moment ?
Meanwhile D. Walsh keep saying “Russia is winning”. But they’ve been “winning” for so long (according to him) that they’ve surely “won” many times over by now. And yet, they haven’t …
I think you guys need to seek professional help.
If what you say were true, then Russia would have already won this
warspecial military defeat.That seems to be an unnecessarily heartless comment to Martin Logan. I didn’t get the feeling that he doesn’t care.
I am reminded of Vietnam. Why didn’t the much larger, wealthier, more populated, more powerful United States win that one?
It would help if the author included a few facts such as the number of Ukrainians killed so far estimated at 400,000, the fact that the regime in Kiev has stopped the forthcoming elections and is essentially a dictatorship conscripting its young men to be sent off to be slaughtered.
He is imbedded with Ukrainians. There is no pretense of objectivity or detachment and that should not be expected under the circumstances. I do think Patrikarakos could be a bit less bellicose or cinematic in his scenic passages, because the tone suggests to me: “War is hell…ain’t it great?!”
Britain didn’t hold elections during the Second World War and had conscription of young men to fight, are you suggesting that Churchill was a dictator?
Yes. He was a “useful idiot” . He would,with a little regret,but he would sign death warrants for millions of people at a stroke. From bombing,combat,famine. Our side or the other side. He obeyed orders and did what the script demanded.
Yes,he was charismatic and amusing,and had charm. I don’t deny that or his writing talent. But he was CHOSEN because he would obey orders.
Sounds like something from a Russian school syllabus…
Was he in the pay then of “World Capital??”
Who then was his “secret controller?”
Oooh, this is getting interesting!”
Russian conspiracy theories are always the best!
Sounds like something from a Russian school syllabus…
Was he in the pay then of “World Capital??”
Who then was his “secret controller?”
Oooh, this is getting interesting!”
Russian conspiracy theories are always the best!
Yes. He was a “useful idiot” . He would,with a little regret,but he would sign death warrants for millions of people at a stroke. From bombing,combat,famine. Our side or the other side. He obeyed orders and did what the script demanded.
Yes,he was charismatic and amusing,and had charm. I don’t deny that or his writing talent. But he was CHOSEN because he would obey orders.
I actually heard it was 45 million.
Do you think there is a Ukrainian coverup?
Max Blumenthal agrees with you. Watch his report to the UN security council on u-tube. https://youtu.be/Eq4643bsH8w
Not a “report”.
Unsubstantiated claims–like the ones on here.
Not a “report”.
Unsubstantiated claims–like the ones on here.
He is imbedded with Ukrainians. There is no pretense of objectivity or detachment and that should not be expected under the circumstances. I do think Patrikarakos could be a bit less bellicose or cinematic in his scenic passages, because the tone suggests to me: “War is hell…ain’t it great?!”
Britain didn’t hold elections during the Second World War and had conscription of young men to fight, are you suggesting that Churchill was a dictator?
I actually heard it was 45 million.
Do you think there is a Ukrainian coverup?
Max Blumenthal agrees with you. Watch his report to the UN security council on u-tube. https://youtu.be/Eq4643bsH8w
You’re delusional, the Ukrainians have lost thousands of men and a large number of Tanks and armoured fighting vehicles since they started the “Spring offensive” its been a disaster, complete and total
This time last year Zelensky was telling everyone, he would retake Crimea by Christmas, and you believed him. Right now Z is telling everyone he’s going to retake Crimea by Christmas, and you still believe him
You have to be a paid federal agent of some sort. No one who knows anything believes this. Russia has controlled the air and had nearly a 10 to 1 artillery advantage since the beginning.
Everyone who knows anything about military offensives knows that military offensives take at least a 3 to 1 death rate. Only without proper air cover, and artillery cover, (and they have said as much) it’s been far worse for Ukrainian solders, which is proven out by the fact that this big Spring (now Summer) offensive has been a bust.
First it was going to be magic night vision helmets that was going to help them, then magic Leopard tanks… Now it’s magic F16s that won’t show up for months, with pilots with little training on them… This fantasy land stuff kills Ukrainians.
But guys like you, you don’t care. To you this is like a sporting event and you want your team to win. So, people like you just keep pushing anything but peace.
Here are the facts. The Russian military is at this point, much larger, trained up, competent, and powerful. Stop pretending like they are faltering fools with no ability. That is propaganda that kills Ukrainians. Politicians have been pushing that from the start, and it’s wearing pretty thin at this point.
It would help if the author included a few facts such as the number of Ukrainians killed so far estimated at 400,000, the fact that the regime in Kiev has stopped the forthcoming elections and is essentially a dictatorship conscripting its young men to be sent off to be slaughtered.
Actually, rather typical of the mood on the front lines of any war.
And the mood is far bleaker among Russians on the other side. Far more have died in far bloodier–and fruitless–attacks all winter.
The only way to break this stalemate is to send more weapons.
Brave reporting on the terrifying reality of war.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Brave reporting on the terrifying reality of war.
Interesting article and well written. However, the author also needs to provide some important background information. Two cases in particular the interview between the Hindustan Times and Victor Oban – He is going to block the EU proposal for another 50 billion in aid and also wants the previous spending on the 70 billion in aid audited. The interview with in Zaluzhny reported in the Washington Post where he says that the current offensive has failed/is stalling and that he will not go on the offensive again until he is provided with F16, ammunition and new artillery.
Interesting article and well written. However, the author also needs to provide some important background information. Two cases in particular the interview between the Hindustan Times and Victor Oban – He is going to block the EU proposal for another 50 billion in aid and also wants the previous spending on the 70 billion in aid audited. The interview with in Zaluzhny reported in the Washington Post where he says that the current offensive has failed/is stalling and that he will not go on the offensive again until he is provided with F16, ammunition and new artillery.
The first victim of war is truth.
The first victim of war is truth.
It sounds horrendous. I can only imagine the psychological damage both countries soldier’s will have from the war. Alcoholism, drug addiction, domestic violence, PTSD etc, That’s the part we don’t think about until a war is over. All because of a dictator’s stupid decision.
And they’ll all come here,claim asylum,a free social housing house or we can turf some old folks out of a care home to house then,and inflict their alcoholism and psychosis on us.
Where will they get all the boats?
Where will they get all the boats?
And they’ll all come here,claim asylum,a free social housing house or we can turf some old folks out of a care home to house then,and inflict their alcoholism and psychosis on us.
It sounds horrendous. I can only imagine the psychological damage both countries soldier’s will have from the war. Alcoholism, drug addiction, domestic violence, PTSD etc, That’s the part we don’t think about until a war is over. All because of a dictator’s stupid decision.
I’m not impressed. We want to kill Russians. What sort of credo for life is that. Bunch of turnip heads in my opinion. Nasty, selfish creeps. Like east European taxi drivers when you ring for a taxi and you just know this grim,scowling figure is an axe murderer and he’s got the axe in the boot. I loathe Ukranians and in ALLOWED TO. There is now law,not even a moral law,that says I have to like everyone or that everyone has to like me. Even Jesus didnt like everybody.
Filled with the Christian charity of Patriarch Kyrill…
The real problem is that Lenin and Stalin elevated the very lowest Russian classes into positions of power. Crime was all they knew, and crime was all they could pass on to their heirs.
Virtually everyone in high positions after 1991 had been in the Party. so they simply reverted to the criminal ways of their fathers and grandfathers.
This is a deeply criminalized society. Anyone descended from one of those criminals is also likely to be a criminal. Russia either needs to be totally reformed, or totally isolated.
Russians simply lack all self-control–which is why Putin tried to steal Ukraine. If he doesn’t lose, he’ll try it again.
He can’t help it.
Clean, decent people should not have to put up with Russian criminality.
That’s particularly true for Ukrainians.
Filled with the Christian charity of Patriarch Kyrill…
The real problem is that Lenin and Stalin elevated the very lowest Russian classes into positions of power. Crime was all they knew, and crime was all they could pass on to their heirs.
Virtually everyone in high positions after 1991 had been in the Party. so they simply reverted to the criminal ways of their fathers and grandfathers.
This is a deeply criminalized society. Anyone descended from one of those criminals is also likely to be a criminal. Russia either needs to be totally reformed, or totally isolated.
Russians simply lack all self-control–which is why Putin tried to steal Ukraine. If he doesn’t lose, he’ll try it again.
He can’t help it.
Clean, decent people should not have to put up with Russian criminality.
That’s particularly true for Ukrainians.
I’m not impressed. We want to kill Russians. What sort of credo for life is that. Bunch of turnip heads in my opinion. Nasty, selfish creeps. Like east European taxi drivers when you ring for a taxi and you just know this grim,scowling figure is an axe murderer and he’s got the axe in the boot. I loathe Ukranians and in ALLOWED TO. There is now law,not even a moral law,that says I have to like everyone or that everyone has to like me. Even Jesus didnt like everybody.
If there is anyone reading these comments who REALLY BELIEVES all that BBC hawked garbage about little boys being abducted from school and forced into uniform in the face of their weeping mothers pleas,well please watch the films on you tube of Pavlo from Ukraine. It’s very enlightening. He’s not in uniform and he’s not going to be in uniform. He’s not been caught in the draft and I don’t think he’s going to be. His cousins aren’t either. They’re all doing alright. In the town near him and the bigger cities he visits there are plenty of men just going about their normal lives ITS NOT LIKE HOW WE’RE BEING TOLD.
Russia has committed atrocities just like that in EVERY past war.
It’s in their DNA.
We’ve seen it in Irpin. We’ve seen it in Bucha.
Eventually, we will have to demilitarize the region from the Russian border to the Urals. That’s the only real solution.
But for now Russians just need to be ejected from Ukraine.
Russia has committed atrocities just like that in EVERY past war.
It’s in their DNA.
We’ve seen it in Irpin. We’ve seen it in Bucha.
Eventually, we will have to demilitarize the region from the Russian border to the Urals. That’s the only real solution.
But for now Russians just need to be ejected from Ukraine.
If there is anyone reading these comments who REALLY BELIEVES all that BBC hawked garbage about little boys being abducted from school and forced into uniform in the face of their weeping mothers pleas,well please watch the films on you tube of Pavlo from Ukraine. It’s very enlightening. He’s not in uniform and he’s not going to be in uniform. He’s not been caught in the draft and I don’t think he’s going to be. His cousins aren’t either. They’re all doing alright. In the town near him and the bigger cities he visits there are plenty of men just going about their normal lives ITS NOT LIKE HOW WE’RE BEING TOLD.
https://youtu.be/Eq4643bsH8w
https://youtu.be/Eq4643bsH8w
Watch the Max Blumenthal video on u-tube. He explains the “war” in Ukraine. https://youtu.be/Eq4643bsH8w
Max: “Don’t believe your lying eyes!”
Max: “Don’t believe your lying eyes!”
Watch the Max Blumenthal video on u-tube. He explains the “war” in Ukraine. https://youtu.be/Eq4643bsH8w
I actually don’t blame Scott Ritter or Col Macgregor for dishing out the nonsense claims and figures to boobs willing to believe it.
They are making money off them, which is in the capitalist tradition.
Most ultra-processed fast food is very bad for you in the long run, and will eventually kill you.
But not many would ban it.
It’s so comfy to sleepwalk through life.
Col MacGregor said that Kyiv would fall.
Since then he ahs been predicting the defeat of Kyiv every three weeks.
A broken clock is right at least twice in a day.
Accuracy that the Col. can only aspire to.
That’s becoming a dead metaphor – digital clocks that a broken have dead screens.
That’s becoming a dead metaphor – digital clocks that a broken have dead screens.
Col MacGregor said that Kyiv would fall.
Since then he ahs been predicting the defeat of Kyiv every three weeks.
A broken clock is right at least twice in a day.
Accuracy that the Col. can only aspire to.
It’s so comfy to sleepwalk through life.
I actually don’t blame Scott Ritter or Col Macgregor for dishing out the nonsense claims and figures to boobs willing to believe it.
They are making money off them, which is in the capitalist tradition.
Most ultra-processed fast food is very bad for you in the long run, and will eventually kill you.
But not many would ban it.
“This is the future, Winston:
Imagine Victoria Nuland’s boot, smashing Putin’s face–forever.”
How can we stop this nightmare?!
“This is the future, Winston:
Imagine Victoria Nuland’s boot, smashing Putin’s face–forever.”
How can we stop this nightmare?!
Normally when one side runs out of bullets they have to surrender, and say “we lost”. But if there are still some bodies to throw into the fight, and nations want to use them in a proxy war, they will send them more bullets to keep fighting. Also, it seems clear that modern warfare doesn’t tend to go well if you don’t have air cover. If that’s not arriving for months, and it takes pilots years to learn to fly them well, then there is a name for that….a “fantasy”. The only people who would send more Ukrainians into this situation like this are those who really don’t care about Ukrainian lives.
The only people who get mad at the truth like this when it is said are those who also really don’t value Ukrainian lives.
But more importantly:
“The only people who would send more Russians into this situation like this are those who really don’t care about Russian lives.”
Actually, now it’s only one person: Putin.
Moreover, the only difference is that, without full control of the Dnipro, and most of Donbas, every Ukrainian knows their nation is crippled.
Ukraine didn’t get to be Ukraine by accident.
That’s actually not true at all. They’re trying to join NATO, which Russia has always considered that a threat a red line. This is why we lied to them with the Minsk agreement in 2014, so we could pump Ukraine full of military equipment, and train them up (See Victoria Nuland for that). That failed (Also see Victoria Nuland for where they found the Russian speaking, needing to be trained to speak Ukranian Volodymyr Zelenskyy from). The reason they are crippled now with all the losses is everyone listened to terrible views like you expressed just now, pretending they could win. Like the Russians are really weak, and incapible, and collapsing… That’s all more fantasy talk. Really just more lies…lies that lead to more dead Ukranians!
Also we now know, at (least those of us who don’t have our heads up our behinds), there was a peace agreement draft that was signed by the Ukrainians. Boris put an end to that. There is the real screwing over! That’s the source that killed all these people, the warmongering neoliberal neocons! So, yes, they’re screwed now, because of that!. Then people like YOU who push war with lies, with propaganda! It’s on your hands to that extent, so you’d better push war with more seriousness to your own culpabiliy So, yes they are screwed as a nation state, but having a surrendered nation and still alive is better than dead. You think the people in Crimea are miserable? Not really.
Again, you’re not valuing human life! None of this has! This is not a game! This is life and death! We have a histroy of doing this. The facts come out later if anyone cares or is paying attention by that time… We bult war on a house of cards, used a bunch of people who are now either dead or screwed over… This is our pattern… Next up on the list… Taiwan. War is big money for certian people! Billions are changing hands! Trillions are on the line with Blackrock buying up Ukraine, so of course it’s a must win for our side…
This is also about the USD, and the control of central banks. This was about the USA taking out cheap oil and gas from its European competition. Which is why we provoked Russia into this reaction.
This is also about China’s belt and road initiative. We’ve got people in the neocon thinktanks in the US who have actually come out and said these things out loud! (Mike Pompeo for one) This is about keeping China (the worlds workshop) and Russia (cheap fuel and resources) from joining up with Europe (creativity, high end manufacturing and invention) to make an unstoppable pan Eurasian economic powerhouse that cuts the declining USA out. So, we had to cut Russia out, and by so doing also China who wants to build train tracks across Eurasia to facilitate all this.
This is about your Davos types not wanting any of that. This is about power. It’s way bigger than everyone is discussing, and it didn’t just start in 2020. None of these people really care about which Slavs control which border in the Donbass.
Think you mean Victoria Nuland.
The West seems to be doing a very good job of beggaring, and then frightening Russians out of their wits.
But think about the Russians who once really believed all that nonsense about Russia following its “Special Path.”
Now they know there is nothing ahead but collapse.
“divide et impera“.
It always works.
Indeed, look at Russia’s successful strategy during the Cold War.
Brought on the prosperity of the 90s.
Indeed, look at Russia’s successful strategy during the Cold War.
Brought on the prosperity of the 90s.
Everything you have written here is totally true and accurate.
“Thunderous, stormy applause for half an hour.”
“Thunderous, stormy applause for half an hour.”
Think you mean Victoria Nuland.
The West seems to be doing a very good job of beggaring, and then frightening Russians out of their wits.
But think about the Russians who once really believed all that nonsense about Russia following its “Special Path.”
Now they know there is nothing ahead but collapse.
“divide et impera“.
It always works.
Everything you have written here is totally true and accurate.
That’s actually not true at all. They’re trying to join NATO, which Russia has always considered that a threat a red line. This is why we lied to them with the Minsk agreement in 2014, so we could pump Ukraine full of military equipment, and train them up (See Victoria Nuland for that). That failed (Also see Victoria Nuland for where they found the Russian speaking, needing to be trained to speak Ukranian Volodymyr Zelenskyy from). The reason they are crippled now with all the losses is everyone listened to terrible views like you expressed just now, pretending they could win. Like the Russians are really weak, and incapible, and collapsing… That’s all more fantasy talk. Really just more lies…lies that lead to more dead Ukranians!
Also we now know, at (least those of us who don’t have our heads up our behinds), there was a peace agreement draft that was signed by the Ukrainians. Boris put an end to that. There is the real screwing over! That’s the source that killed all these people, the warmongering neoliberal neocons! So, yes, they’re screwed now, because of that!. Then people like YOU who push war with lies, with propaganda! It’s on your hands to that extent, so you’d better push war with more seriousness to your own culpabiliy So, yes they are screwed as a nation state, but having a surrendered nation and still alive is better than dead. You think the people in Crimea are miserable? Not really.
Again, you’re not valuing human life! None of this has! This is not a game! This is life and death! We have a histroy of doing this. The facts come out later if anyone cares or is paying attention by that time… We bult war on a house of cards, used a bunch of people who are now either dead or screwed over… This is our pattern… Next up on the list… Taiwan. War is big money for certian people! Billions are changing hands! Trillions are on the line with Blackrock buying up Ukraine, so of course it’s a must win for our side…
This is also about the USD, and the control of central banks. This was about the USA taking out cheap oil and gas from its European competition. Which is why we provoked Russia into this reaction.
This is also about China’s belt and road initiative. We’ve got people in the neocon thinktanks in the US who have actually come out and said these things out loud! (Mike Pompeo for one) This is about keeping China (the worlds workshop) and Russia (cheap fuel and resources) from joining up with Europe (creativity, high end manufacturing and invention) to make an unstoppable pan Eurasian economic powerhouse that cuts the declining USA out. So, we had to cut Russia out, and by so doing also China who wants to build train tracks across Eurasia to facilitate all this.
This is about your Davos types not wanting any of that. This is about power. It’s way bigger than everyone is discussing, and it didn’t just start in 2020. None of these people really care about which Slavs control which border in the Donbass.
But more importantly:
“The only people who would send more Russians into this situation like this are those who really don’t care about Russian lives.”
Actually, now it’s only one person: Putin.
Moreover, the only difference is that, without full control of the Dnipro, and most of Donbas, every Ukrainian knows their nation is crippled.
Ukraine didn’t get to be Ukraine by accident.
Normally when one side runs out of bullets they have to surrender, and say “we lost”. But if there are still some bodies to throw into the fight, and nations want to use them in a proxy war, they will send them more bullets to keep fighting. Also, it seems clear that modern warfare doesn’t tend to go well if you don’t have air cover. If that’s not arriving for months, and it takes pilots years to learn to fly them well, then there is a name for that….a “fantasy”. The only people who would send more Ukrainians into this situation like this are those who really don’t care about Ukrainian lives.
The only people who get mad at the truth like this when it is said are those who also really don’t value Ukrainian lives.
Ukrainian nationalists are the dumbest people on the planet right now
Someone needs to tell them that fighting to the last man for the neocons, is not a winning move
How about you volunteer to go and “tell them”?
Xуй будеш?
No the dumbest are the Russians who didn’t get out before mobilisation and end up losing their lives for gangsters.
But nice to see Girkin’s view, post-putsch:
“After Prigozhin’s rebellion, Russia has become much stronger….well, approximately like an organism after a heart attack…”
Fact is, unless Ukraine gains back both sides of the Dnipro, it can never repair the dam.
Neo-cons didn’t destroy the Nova Kakhovka dam, an act which is now desertifying much of southern Ukraine. Now the only way to repair it is to take both banks of the Dnipro.
And the Russians destroyed the dam because they are now desperate, fearful they won’t hold on to even the pathetic gains they still have.
Ukrainian nationalists, you mean like anyone who has ethnic identity and want to live in their own country in their own ways?
A nation of spivs and gold diggers.
But they are the clean, sane version of Ancient Rus.
But they are the clean, sane version of Ancient Rus.
A nation of spivs and gold diggers.
How about you volunteer to go and “tell them”?
Xуй будеш?
No the dumbest are the Russians who didn’t get out before mobilisation and end up losing their lives for gangsters.
But nice to see Girkin’s view, post-putsch:
“After Prigozhin’s rebellion, Russia has become much stronger….well, approximately like an organism after a heart attack…”
Fact is, unless Ukraine gains back both sides of the Dnipro, it can never repair the dam.
Neo-cons didn’t destroy the Nova Kakhovka dam, an act which is now desertifying much of southern Ukraine. Now the only way to repair it is to take both banks of the Dnipro.
And the Russians destroyed the dam because they are now desperate, fearful they won’t hold on to even the pathetic gains they still have.
Ukrainian nationalists, you mean like anyone who has ethnic identity and want to live in their own country in their own ways?
Ukrainian nationalists are the dumbest people on the planet right now
Someone needs to tell them that fighting to the last man for the neocons, is not a winning move
There is now exactly one–and only one–Russian left who supports this war:
Vova Putin
Every other Russian, both military and civilian, realizes it is hopeless.
And every Russian also knows that if that particular Russian’s heart should stop beating, it’s the end of all their problems.
We’re going to see a lot more surprises from Russia.
Whre do you get this stuff from? Russia is actually very united at this point. In fact, part of the frustration is apparently at the slow pace of things with Putin playing a long game while Germany collapses economically, France burns (you think the coup is going to overthrow Macron?), the US cities full of feces, dying drug addicts, cultural, and economic collapse happens. Time is on Russia’s side on this. Other than that, from what I have heard, the people in Russia are pretty happy, because their economy is growing, they have no food inflation, full shelves, a bright future in BRICS. Meanwhile we in the West are committing economic and cultural suicide.
We were told the sanctions were going to collapse them. It just drove them into new growing markets. The first thing we need to do is stop lying about things. Lying about reality never works out. It might pull something over for a short period of time, but it’s not a good long term plan for good things to happen to us.
Ah, you’ve spotted that the people pushing hardest for war with Russia. Are the same people whose policies are slowly destroying the West
Slowly? Seems pretty fast to me.
Slowly? Seems pretty fast to me.
There are 90 year-old Old Marxists dying in hospitals who once dreamed of seeing the Fall of the West.
Hasn’t happened.
And won’t happen.
The Old Marxists will die, and nothing will change.
Just accept that Russia’ stock market is at 982 and falling. While it has to use 70-year old T55 tanks.
And doesn’t even bother to evacuate its badly wounded.
Every Russian except Putin knows the war is lost.
But it’s still on isnt it.
Rather like WW2 in 1944.
In both cases the war was lost, but the losers fought on.
And they fought on because they were/are losers.
Russia in 2023 is no different from Germany in 1944.
Rather like WW2 in 1944.
In both cases the war was lost, but the losers fought on.
And they fought on because they were/are losers.
Russia in 2023 is no different from Germany in 1944.
But it’s still on isnt it.
“ Russia is actually very united at this point.” Steve – where the heck were you last weekend? As I recall, Russia had a bit of an insurrection over this topic. You are handwringing over the death and destruction befalling the poor Ukrainians, but is seems to me if anyone is united, it is the Ukrainian population wanting to get the Russians out and are willing to fight for freedom.
Ah, you’ve spotted that the people pushing hardest for war with Russia. Are the same people whose policies are slowly destroying the West
There are 90 year-old Old Marxists dying in hospitals who once dreamed of seeing the Fall of the West.
Hasn’t happened.
And won’t happen.
The Old Marxists will die, and nothing will change.
Just accept that Russia’ stock market is at 982 and falling. While it has to use 70-year old T55 tanks.
And doesn’t even bother to evacuate its badly wounded.
Every Russian except Putin knows the war is lost.
“ Russia is actually very united at this point.” Steve – where the heck were you last weekend? As I recall, Russia had a bit of an insurrection over this topic. You are handwringing over the death and destruction befalling the poor Ukrainians, but is seems to me if anyone is united, it is the Ukrainian population wanting to get the Russians out and are willing to fight for freedom.
Whre do you get this stuff from? Russia is actually very united at this point. In fact, part of the frustration is apparently at the slow pace of things with Putin playing a long game while Germany collapses economically, France burns (you think the coup is going to overthrow Macron?), the US cities full of feces, dying drug addicts, cultural, and economic collapse happens. Time is on Russia’s side on this. Other than that, from what I have heard, the people in Russia are pretty happy, because their economy is growing, they have no food inflation, full shelves, a bright future in BRICS. Meanwhile we in the West are committing economic and cultural suicide.
We were told the sanctions were going to collapse them. It just drove them into new growing markets. The first thing we need to do is stop lying about things. Lying about reality never works out. It might pull something over for a short period of time, but it’s not a good long term plan for good things to happen to us.
There is now exactly one–and only one–Russian left who supports this war:
Vova Putin
Every other Russian, both military and civilian, realizes it is hopeless.
And every Russian also knows that if that particular Russian’s heart should stop beating, it’s the end of all their problems.
We’re going to see a lot more surprises from Russia.