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So now we know. Washington is intent on decoupling from Europe and reconnecting with Russia. America’s stance was reaffirmed yesterday, in Brussels, by the newly minted Defense Secretary, Pete Hegseth, who was there primarily to discuss the Ukraine conflict. We already knew the top lines: Nato membership for Ukraine is “unrealistic”, he said, and the war “must end” through diplomacy. Kyiv must abandon aspirations of reclaiming pre-2014 borders — that includes Crimea — and prepare for a negotiated settlement with Russia.
But Hegseth’s message extended beyond Ukraine. “Stark strategic realities prevent the United States of America from being primarily focused on the security of Europe,” he continued, stating that European forces should assume responsibility for providing post-war security guarantees for Ukraine, explicitly ruling out US troop involvement. This aligns with Trump’s broader push for Nato allies to increase their defence spending. He clarified that these troops would not be part of a Nato-led mission and would not be covered under the alliance’s Article 5 guarantee, underscoring America’s disengagement from European security affairs.
While these statements didn’t come as much of a surprise to European leaders, given Trump’s previous rhetoric, they did reinforce a fundamental shift in US Ukraine policy, one which prioritises diplomacy over continued military engagement. While this represents a welcome departure from Biden’s more confrontational stance, the path to peace remains fraught with obstacles.
Hegseth did not outline specifics for a possible peace deal between Ukraine and Russia. But, according to a leaked version of Trump’s proposed peace plan, reported by Ukrainian media, the territories seized by Russia would be ceded in exchange for security guarantees. Kyiv would be expected to renounce military and diplomatic efforts to reclaim lost land and officially recognise Russian sovereignty over these regions.
Regardless of this plan’s veracity, it is clear that it reflects Russia’s main condition for peace — something of which Trump is fully aware. His administration’s recognition of this geopolitical reality, coupled with the improbability of Ukraine regaining those territories, signals an important shift toward realistic diplomacy. Further reinforcing this new diplomatic approach, Trump announced on Truth Social that he had held a “lengthy and highly productive” phone call with Russian President Vladimir Putin. “We agreed to work together, very closely, including visiting each other’s nations… We will begin by calling President Zelensky, of Ukraine, to inform him of the conversation, something which I will be doing right now”.
Re-establishing direct dialogue between Washington and Moscow is undoubtedly a positive development. However, the biggest near-term risk is that Trump may attempt to pressure Putin into a ceasefire without a fully developed peace framework. This is bound to fail.
For Moscow, we know, will not compromise on its key demands, which include the complete withdrawal of Ukrainian forces from four Russian-occupied regions. We know from Russia’s Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov that any ultimatums from the US would be ineffective and that any negotiations must recognise the “reality on the ground”.
A major problem here is the proposal to have European-led peacekeeping forces in Ukraine, which is almost certain to face strong resistance from Moscow. Regardless of whether they are Nato-affiliated or not, Russia would see them as a Nato proxy force — an unacceptable scenario. As Anatol Lieven put it: “This is just as unacceptable to the Russian government and establishment as Nato membership for Ukraine itself. Indeed, the Russians see no essential difference between the two”.
Another complicating factor is that America’s security decoupling from Europe — the Europeanisation of Nato — also risks becoming an obstacle to peace, insofar as it is, paradoxically, emboldening a more hawkish stance from key European leaders.
Within the European Union, an influential pro-war coalition has emerged, primarily driven by Poland, Estonia, and Lithuania. The new European Commission has placed these countries in key foreign policy and defence roles, further solidifying their influence. Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk, in his inaugural address as European Council President, stated: “If Europe is to survive, it must be armed”.
Similarly, Kaja Kallas, the EU’s High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, has insisted that Europe must significantly increase its defence spending in response to the US disengagement, while maintaining the position that Russia must be defeated at all costs. Meanwhile, Andrius Kubilius, the new European Commissioner for Defence, has called for a “Big Bang approach” to ramp up European defence production.
Beyond the EU, the UK is equally belligerent and is doubling down on its military support for Ukraine. On January 16, Starmer signed a bilateral defence partnership in Kyiv, pledging an additional £3 billion in annual military aid, on top of the £12.8 billion already provided. The deal also reaffirms Britain’s backing for Ukraine’s Nato membership.
Nato Secretary-General, Mark Rutte, echoed these sentiments on Wednesday, stating that he “agrees” with Trump on the need to “equalise security assistance to Ukraine” but warned that “to truly change the course of the conflict, we must do even more”. His remarks follow recent statements advocating for Nato to “adopt a wartime mindset”.
Underlying this growing military buildup is the belief that Russia poses an existential threat to Europe, despite Moscow lacking both the capability and intent to attack Nato. What might be dismissed as European posturing in response to US disengagement actually represents a significant obstacle to peace. As long as European leaders continue to escalate militarily, the chances of a diplomatic resolution to the Ukraine war diminish.
The real danger is that by persistently predicting an inevitable war with Russia, and preparing for it, Europe may ultimately bring that very war into reality. Faced with a rapidly growing European arms buildup and entrenched anti-Russian sentiment, Moscow may conclude that waiting is no longer an option. If European Nato members continue escalating tensions, Russia could decide to strike pre-emptively rather than risk allowing Nato’s military capabilities to reach a critical threshold. Even in a less extreme scenario, Europe’s increasingly aggressive posture is fundamentally incompatible with a lasting peace in Ukraine.
In other words, while the Trump administration’s pivot away from Europe and push for diplomacy may appear to be a step toward de-escalation, it risks unintentionally achieving the opposite. Rather than restraining Europe’s military ambitions, US disengagement is emboldening key EU and Nato actors — particularly in Eastern Europe — to pursue an increasingly confrontational stance toward Russia.
The Europeanisation of Nato, framed as a necessity following US withdrawal, has accelerated the continent’s militarisation and its leaders’ demonisation of Russia, perpetuating the very conditions that caused the conflict in Ukraine in the first place. Instead of using this moment to engage in diplomacy, European leaders view the US retreat as a reason to escalate militarily. In this sense, Washington’s decoupling from Europe is at odds with Trump’s stated aim of achieving peace in Ukraine.
Unless European leadership acknowledges Russia’s security concerns, the prospects for a long-term settlement will remain bleak — and the risk of a larger war will continue to loom over the continent. Ironically, the US’s attempt to distance itself from European security affairs may ultimately pull it back into an even larger conflict — one that it will have far less control over.
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SubscribeIf it had been explicit three years ago that Ukraine would never be let into NATO, then there would never have been a Russian invasion. If Russia kept what it had captured, then that would prove that it was no threat, unable to capture more than one fifth of Ukraine, never mind to invade Western Europe, much less the United States.
Pete Hegseth has not departed from “the rules-based international order”, which has only ever been the right of the United States, and by extension also of the State of Israel, to behave in absolutely any way that they pleased. What we saw yesterday was that order in action. Also yesterday, the United States Senate confirmed Tulsi Gabbard as Director of National Intelligence. She is on the Myrotvorets list. States with the United States Director of National Intelligence on their kill lists are indeed unlikely to attain membership of NATO.
The Active Club Network turns out to have a growing presence in Britain, where it is planning to take over should the opportunity arise, and these things can happen even in the unlikeliest of places. Through the Atomwaffen Division, that Network crosses over with the Russian Volunteer Corps of Denis Kapustin, otherwise White Rex, and thus with the likes of Svoboda, Pravy Sektor, the National Corps, C14, the Azov Brigade, the Aidar Battalion, the Donbas Battalion, the Dnipro-1 Battalion, the Dnipro-2 Battalion, the Kraken Regiment, and the Freedom of Russia Legion, although whereas that last was begun and still largely consists of defected prisoners of war, the RVC is a body of true believing neo-Nazis who are fighting for Ukraine on that basis.
Of sitting MPs this century, Islamists and the Far Right have murdered one each. Yet while Prevent is coming in for some grief, and perhaps deservedly so, over the murder of Sir David Amess, MI5 turns out to have been employing a neo-Nazi who took a machete to his girlfriend, and lying about it to three different courts of law. How many more of those does it have? And what is it doing about Active Club England and the rest of its world? What is Prevent doing? What is anyone doing?
The Ukrainian refugee scheme would not appear to have been intended for Palestinians, but it has turned out to allow for them, and the blame for that can be attached only to the people who devised it. There is no point blaming the judge. The only reason to object in principle to Palestinians rather than to Ukrainians is that Palestinians are brown while Ukrainians are white. Not all Ukrainians are supporters of the organisations listed above, with their links to proscribed terrorist organisations in this country such as National Action, but then not all Palestinians are supporters of Hamas, and that is an enemy of the people who perpetrate acts of Islamist terrorism in Britain, with a history of rounding up and killing anyone who attempted to get al-Qaeda or the so-called Islamic State up and running in Gaza. We were all supposed to have been delighted when those people, the ones who had bombed Britain, had taken over as much of Syria as Israel did not yet want. But that is not the view of Director Gabbard.
From Syria, the IS bombers of Britain have been sending fighters for Volodymyr Zelensky because Bashar al-Assad was allied to Vladimir Putin. Refugees from Gaza are fleeing the devastation wrought by an IDF that had been supplied, free of charge, with invaluable intelligence from nightly spy flights out of RAF Akrotiri, which is sovereign British territory. But those who promised to “stand with Ukraine for as long as it takes”, yet with no definition of “it”, now look even sillier than those who opposed a ceasefire in Gaza, although of course they were mostly the same people. Why is any of them still in public life?
It was made very clear that Ukraine was nowhere near being considered for NATO. No alliance lets another party ultimately limit its membership. Putin attacked Ukraine because it was a democracy heading west.
Hahahahaha I’ve got a bridge I’d like to sell you, it’s made of democracy and freedom
Thanks, that was worth waiting for.
My pleasure. You are very kind.
The Lizards! You forgot the pivotal role of the Lizards!
I am getting really annoyed with the disappearance of my comments.
I’ve been saying this for months, and I know from the amount of upvotes and downvotes that it’s a really contentious issue, but the truth is that Ukraine cannot win this battle, and the real losers in this conflict are the Ukrainian people themselves. The best time to have sued for peace was around two weeks after the invasion started; unfortunately Zelensky was advised by a council of truly spectacular fools (chiefly Boris Johnson, Macron, and Biden) not to give in and convinced that the war could be won. It can’t. The second best time to sue for peace is right now, as things will only get worse.
Let us be realistic about the facts. NATO was setup as a direct response to Russia’s (USSR) military threat during the cold war. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, one would have hoped that the need for NATO would have reduced and indeed, throughout the early 90s that seemed to be the case. However, for a number of complicated political reasons, and for reasons of pure greed within the military industrial complex, NATO started to expand eastward towards Russia, first under Bill Clinton in the late 90s, then again in the 2000s with George W Bush. This culminated in the 2014 coup in Ukraine which saw American backing for the ousting of a pro-Russian democratically elected leader and the installation of a pro-NATO government who sought membership.
This expansion West has not being some simple case of The West being stupid and greedy and Russia being the victims; I can’t say for certain that countries like Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia etc. might have been more at risk from invasion had they not been members. They might also have been more likely to have had positive cultural and economic partnerships with Russia. What I do know is that expanding the ‘Anti-Russia’ military organisation ever closer to Russia’s borders, The West made war an almost certain inevitability.
What are these people fighting for? Who are they fighting for? They have shared cultural and ethnic backgrounds. 35 years ago they were the same country. Who wins from keeping this fight going longer? Certainly not the Ukrainians.
I think Trump and Putin will negotiate a sensible peace quite quickly, I don’t think it’s going to be a good deal for Ukraine at all, but it’s a better deal than a forever war with a nuclear superpower. My only hope is that the clowns that are running the EU don’t nuke the deal (if you’ll pardon the pun) and pull us into World War 3
I agreed up tot he point where you ask ‘What are these people fighting for? Who are they fighting for? They have shared cultural and ethnic backgrounds. 35 years ago they were the same country.’ Ukraine was a vassal state in the Russian Empire that for a short while was known as the Soviet Union. The Ukrainians are fighting to have their own country. The Russians who live in East Ukraine are settlers who took over land after the mass murder of millions of Ukrainians in the 1920s and 1930s. Their settlement of East Ukraine may be a reality that justifies the Russian annexation of the land in a broader peace settlement. However the desire of the Ukrainians to be free of the Russians is a sentiment that should be understood and supported.
‘The Ukrainians are fighting to have their own country.’
Are they going to give Lviv back to Poland?
Are they going to give Transcarpathia back to Hungary?
Do the people in Lviv want to belong to Poland or Ukraine?
If the Poles install a friendly regime through some USAID equivalent, I’m sure they would
No, they wouldn’t. Everything is not for sale (in spite of the beliefs of Putin and Trump).
Yeah well the Ukrainians certainly are
You mean, that’s why they have heroically fought on for three years when both the Russians and the west expected them to fold in weeks. And Zelensky refused to be airlifted out to safety and risked his life in the beginning of the war.
They had already sold Ukraine to America. It was a vassal state effectively. That’s partially why Zelensky is so rich. BlackRock et al all over the country like a rash … buying up as much mining and agricultural land as they could get their hands on .. Burisma etc etc etc. …. They fought because they were threatened and bribed. They had a very workable peace agreement ready to go but it didn’t suit NATO who wanted to use Ukraine to ‘’test the waters’. Now they have lost 800k? men, the war and possibly half the country. We will just scuttle away, shrug our shoulders and start buying more Russian gas …. We are already up 23% on before the war. It’s all BS my friend.
You’re definitely wrong about that.
Zelensky sure af thinks everything is for sale. And most has already been paid fir. He loves his nice yacht.
What about the Crimea and the Donbass. Those people definately prefer Russia over the Ukraine.
There is no solid evidence for this.
There is tons of evidence that the Russians who have settled in the Crimea over the past 11 years are Russian.
Right, let’s not question the fact that in 11 years there have been no media reports of complaints from the locals.
Those who remained there
Possibly, but we don’t know that since there have only been fake Russian referendums.
What makes you think they are fake. What makes you think the things we sponsor are reliable. If you beieve our government and you believe our media, there is a bridge in Brooklyn I can let you have for a song.
If you believe Russia and other members of tyranny incorporated, I have an unlimited number of bridges to sell you.
But yes, I believe “our media”, with all its faults over Russias or Chinas or Irans, just as I did the same during the Cold War. The level of lying isn’t comparable.
Oh yes it is! I know first hand from Iraq and Afghanistan … Ukraine is worse if anything. You are very naive sir.
This is purely theoretical. Those borders are no longer contested. On that basis there would be perpetual war in Eastern Europe, and this would lead to something like the conditions of World War 1 the UK catastrophe that led us eventually just so many of them evils of the modern world world.
It is only Russia that is the revanchist power willing to use military force to gain its ends (which might of course change).
Rather like Wales or for that matter Scotland, the Ukraine hasn’t been independent State for centuries. Most Englishmen would be hard pushed to distinguish a Ukrainian from a Russian.
This conflict has to cease and the prospect of an 18th century style ‘compromise’ peace seems to be the best option. Either way it is NOT worth the bones of a single British Grenadier*
*Marshal of the Royal Air Force, Arthur Harris 1892-1984.
Isn’t the quote originally from Bismarck and about the Balkans not being worth the bones of a single grenadier?
But yes, this really is a matter for the actual parties involved…and Britain isn’t one of them.
The defence pact the UK has agreed with Ukraine provides no benefit to the UK only liability.
Yes, but in a slightly more flowery way*, however I do like to recall ‘Bomber’ Harris if I can.
I couldn’t agree more, when will ‘we’ learn to stop interfering in the affairs of others in “far away countries of which we know little”?
It’s not as if we don’t have enough trouble of our own as another essay on today’s UH explains whilst describing the current feral state of Birmingham.
*”The entire Balkans aren’t worth the sound bones of a single Pomeranian Grenadier”.
( Der ganze Balkan ist nicht die gesunden Knochen eines einzigen pommerschen Grenadiers wert.)
Didn’t stop them barging into the Balkans – admittedly with relatively few losses – in WWII though !
AH felt he had to help out that buffoon Mussolini.
Withdrawn under protest.
Both Scotland and Wales would like to be, as did Ireland, and both would be if they did not have idiots as their current rulers
Indeed and dear old England would be overjoyed to be rid of them.
They COST us a fortune.
Or England
Russians may not be able to tell the difference between the welsh and the English, but difference there is.
In support of what Christopher has pointed out, more than 90 years ago, ethnic Russians were sent to live in countries that were to become Soviet Republics such as Armenia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and so on, as part of the communist Russification drive of the 20s, 30s and 40s. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, and despite having lived in these countries for generations, many ethnic Russians are today targets of deep resentment. This was a pivotal issue in the conflict in Crimea. Ethnic Russians living in former Soviet Republics, including Ukraine, have ostensibly become second class citizens. Post Cold War ethnic alienation and strife fueled Vladimir Putin’s yearning for a return to a greater Russia. Anyone who has taken the opportunity to observe and listen to what he is saying will hear this quite clearly. Tucker Carlson’s famous interview with Putin was a gift and a window into the power of nationalist blood ties that are driving political events not just in Russia but throughout the world.
Resentment, you say? Who’d have thought? I guess that if you march into someone else’s country and brutalize them, they’ll end up not liking you that much! The Russians were worse than most, because they brought Communism with them!
So it’s NATOs fault is it nothing to do with Putin braking a treaty he signed stating Russia would accept Ukrsins sovereignty.
i will go one further had NATO fudged the rules for membership and acepted Ukraine as a member when Rusdia invaded Crimea we would not be in the situation we are now, Putin knows he cannot take on NATO hence the situation we are in now where zTrump is stating Ukrain will not join NATO Prity ironinc when Trump is threatening to come out of it don’t you think.
If things are allowed to continue as they are Russia will soon run out of men ,armoments and money then Russia will agree to anything on the table.
Already young Russians are beginning to see the light that Russia and their leader Putin are in the wrong not Ukrain.
Another complicating factor is that America’s security decoupling from Europe — the Europeanisation of Nato — also risks becoming an obstacle to peace, insofar as it is, paradoxically, emboldening a more hawkish stance from key European leaders.
Within the European Union, an influential pro-war coalition has emerged, primarily driven by Poland, Estonia, and Lithuania. The new European Commission has placed these countries in key foreign policy and defence roles, further solidifying their influence. Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk, in his inaugural address as European Council President, stated: “If Europe is to survive, it must be armed”.
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Everything is as usual. Europe offends Russia and brave Fazi stands up for mother Russia
You need to spell-check.
FFS the tartars ruled Kiev ( Ukr) , Moscow and St P’burg (Rus) from the 0900s to the 1400s – you think history started in the 1920s?
The tartars are generally associated with the Golden Hord, the successor state to Genghis Khan’s Empire in that area of the world. The Mongols sacked Kiev around 1240, so that is the date one should have for the start of Tartar domination of the area. Rus, existed from around 900 till then. Ivan IV, (the terrible), threw off the Tartar yoke in the 1500s.
If the Ukrainian government had any sense and weren’t so dismally corrupt they wouldn’t have listened to the fool Obama in 2014 or the equally foolish and dismally corrupt Biden in 2021. Boris Johnson’s intervention added buffoonery to the mix, and here we are.
So it all depends on how many more Ukrainians want to die for this, doesn’t it.
Nah. The Ukrainian leadership is fighting to keep the missing $billions. Zelensky has his offshore accounts, mansions, yacht. So do the Ukranian oligarchs. Biden, Boris, Brussels…all helped with the laundry. Washing money to the last Ukrainian.
This guy could have essentially written this to justify Britain and France’s concessions over the Sudetenland. Giving in never weakens the aggressor and merely invites more aggression.
The Sudetenland was majority ethnic German. They wanted to be part of Germany.
After the Great War there was the “right of self determination of peoples”…but not for the German people apparently.
After WW2 the problem thus created by the Versailles Treaty was brutally solved by the murder or expulsion of ethnic Germans from Czechoslovakia, Poland (which moved 100 miles to the West), etc…
Incidentally France refused to go to war over Czechoslovakia so Britain could do nothing whatsoever. Chamberlain did the best he could in the circumstances…only to be slandered by Foot and Hodge in The Guilty Men. The only thing he was “guilty” of was doing the best he could for Britain…that was his job.
Wasn’t “The Guilty Men”, Foot, Owen and Howard? All three of course writing under the pseudonym ‘Cato’.*
Otherwise I couldn’t agree more the Treaty of Versailles was one of the most outstanding pieces of hypocrisy ever executed. It almost certainly guaranteed there would be a Round Two or Second Innings!
*Had the ‘original’ Cato seen it, I am sure he would have had all three crucified in the traditional manner, and not like the somewhat later example of the notorious Nazarene.
I think you’re right. Wasn’t Hodge Churchill’s ghost writer ( who won him the Nobel Prize for Literature)…not sure and I can’t check immediately…
Yes that’s him.
Also a colleague of that weirdo Brendan Bracken Esq.
But the ethnic German minority problems were actually solved after WWII, however painful that may have been.
For similar reasons, I’d support allowing people who wish to remain Ukrainian and Russian resettling over any revised borders after any peace settlement. Whether the Russians would allow this is another matter – but it’s the route to a more stable, lasting settlement since it’s hard to believe Russia-Ukraine relationships will be friendly for some time.
It’s interesting that mass resettlements weren’t so strictly taboo before 1945.
Chamberlain was a coward and a fool. His reputation justly lies in tatters.
There is another explanation of Chamberlain’s abandonment of Czeckoslavakia, Britain had started a re-armament program in 36. Britian needed to by time. Also the political situation was much more ambiguous, Poland, (which desired its own share of Czeckoslavakia) might have actually decided to side with Germany. At any event can you imagine the Battle of Britian being won with biplanes instead of Spitfires and Hurricains.
Nonsense, do the Maths.
We defaulted on our US debt repayments in 1934, then bankrupted ourselves on ‘Cash & Carry’ between September 1939 and December 1940. Had the US not saved us it would have been ‘Game over’.
Much of the blame for that can be firmly laid at the feet of WSC.
The guarantee to Poland was certainly foolish. To be effective it needed the cooperation of the Soviet Union…which Poland would have refused.
What you call ‘positive cultural and economic partnerships with Russia’ the people who live there call being Russian vassals and taking orders from Moscow. Like East Germany with the USSR, Chechnya with Russia or, pretty much, Tibet with China. Which is why Ukraine preferred an unpromising war to surrendering to Russian demands: A deal would mean installing a Russian puppet government, whichwould henceforth give Russia whatever it wanted.
As for world war 3, well, we learned in the 1940’s that appeasement does not work. If the tiger can grab one country because everybody is afraid of fighting it, the tiger will come back for more. And more. You make the choice up front: Either you prepare to fight and convince the tiger that it is too risky to keep grabbing, or you surrender permanently once and for all.
“Appeasement/ Compromise” does WORK and frequently.
What do you think would have been the result of say the Cuban Missile Crisis had not appeasement/compromise been the order of the day? For a start you wouldn’t exist
Yeah, but the Russians wouldn’t exist either. Maybe somewhere people would survive without their malign influence.
Ukraine didn’t prefer squat, Zelensky had the choice of either fighting and staying in power (under the assumption that western backing would suffice to see off the Russians) or fleeing with the billions he plundered (Panama papers).
Before 2022 most Ukrainians didn’t wanna have anything to do with NATO, but the Americans won the political ground game and installed all the pieces they needed to push the Russians over the line.
As for vassals and puppets – what the hell do you consider the EU (and especially the Germans) to be? Their “ally” literally blew up their plan for long term energy security in front of their noses – billions wasted, an unrivaled ecological catastrophe in Europe (weird how none of the “leftwing media” didn’t have a word to say on this, isn’t it?) and what was the German reaction? Giving Biden some medal that’s supposed to be the “highest honor”.
If you want to fight the Russians, I’m sure the Ukrainians will take you, but don’t expect the rest of us to sacrifice our children for your hubris and (entirely hypocritical) sense of moral superiority.
“Before 2022 most Ukrainians didn’t wanna have anything to do with NATO“. Nothing like a Russian invasion to convince you of its merits.
Zelensky did not “plunder billions” from Ukraine. Zelensky is not referred to in the Panama Papers. Zelensky was found referred to amongst the Pandora Papers (another The Guardian investigation). There it was revealed that during his acting and TV career he was a shareholder in tv production companies registered outside Ukraine. (An arrangement very familiar to UK-based business people). Immediately prior to his surprise election to president he transferred his shares to his tv production business associate. That associate later became a presidential assistant of his. There were no indications of the amounts of money involved. How much do tv programmes and personalities earn in Ukraine?
Fair enough, I got the 2 “P Papers” mixed up.
However, the Ukrainians have literally been getting hundreds of billions over the the last couple years and a massive chunk of that money is unaccounted for.
Honestly now, how likely do you think it is that he didn’t take part in the mysterious disappearance of some of that money?
“Honestly now, how likely do you think it is that he didn’t take part in the mysterious disappearance of some of that money?”
Seeing as how his proving he did not embezzle in any way whatsoever is next to impossible, I could also ask you how you could prove you’re not, in any way whatsoever, serving as a shill of Putin’s to disparage his foremost opponent?
In fact, I suspect you are.
Prove otherwise, and be sure to cover all cases, especially those involving every possible clandestine connection that may, or may not, exist.
Not a coup, a popular democratic revolution.
They always are…lol…
You can lol all day long if you want, but you cannot change objective reality. Some things are true and some things false.
Yeah, I wonder if the USAID funded “democratic revolution” was legit. It’s not like there’s a recording of Victoria Nuland telling the EU to F itself because she’ll be picking the new government, oh no wait…
Except that wasn’t what happened, which you would know if you checked all the facts, not just the pro Russian propaganda.
I guess you believe Solidarity in Poland, the fall of the Berlin Wall and the student demonstrations in Tiananmen Square also only were coups or coup attempts.
Hahaha facts, right. I’ll just stop believing my lying eyes and believe your spook stories. Good job citing your sources
Laugh as much as you want; one day you will be as ashamed (if you can feel shame) as those who defended the Soviet Union as more democratic than the west. The truth wins in the long run.
You make a lot of valid points. But you should definitely consult with some well informed individuals or groups from the Baltic states, Poland and perhaps Sweden and Finland as well.
I’m assuming you were fortunate enough not to live under Soviet occupation for 50 odd years, i.e. the Soviet Union, as I too was fortunate. But I doubt its a coincidence that the highest level of NATA payments in Europe (as % of GDP) come from the Baltic states and Poland, not through force but of their own choice. I would imagine the populations of those countries might think it highly ignorant and ill informed for groups or individuals from old ‘Western Europe’ states to go around telling them what they should and shouldn’t fear in terms of security threats.
Biden, Macron, and Boris have spent a lifetime squandering other people’s money, so squandering other people’s lives is NOT difficult.
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“Shared cultural heritage”? With Russia? The Ukrainians are a European people! The Russians are barbarians! It has always been thus! Probably always will be too!
‘Both’ are/were Orthodox Christians proselytised by nutters such as St Cyril and others in the ninth century of the Christian era. Nothing can alter that fact.
NATO is necessary to counter Russia, which was in charge of the USSR. The collapse of the USSR doesn’t cancel the threat from Russia, as we have seen in Ukraine.
Ukraine will be central in these negotiations in the same way that a football is central in a game of soccer.
Also, there is no prospect of Europe finding sufficient resource or will to effectively challenge Russia.
First, the cost of rearming would be so large that Europe would have to slash welfare and abandon the benefits economy (which we have only been able to enjoy largely because the US has carried the cost of defence) and this is a price that that European electorates are not prepared to pay.
Second, western nations are not going to be able to recruit men in the numbers need. Our elites deliberately set out to destroy nationalism and the nation state, so what are we supposed to fight for, the rainbow flag? Also, our elites have practically engaged in warfare against the white population, and particularly white males, so why should they enlist, conscription won’t work either. And I cannot see our new Britons flocking to the flag to defend King and country.
Third, the industrial output required would mean consigning the green agenda to the dustbin of country.
Fourth, why should young men of other European counties join up to fight when so many Ukrainian men of fighting age have fled the country in order to avoid military service.
Fifth, Russia clearly has neither the capacity or the inclination to invade the rest of Europe. Our elite have to keep attempting to breath new life into this old canard because they have no other cards to play.
Spot on! I’m constantly struck by the Anglosphere commentariat’s fundamental lack of understanding of the relationship between Russia and the rest of Europe, particularly Germany. The U.K. seems to only see Russia in terms of the military threat it poses, with no understanding of how countries on Russia’s frontiers have had to come to some sort of accommodation with their huge neighbour. The “leitmotiv” of British foreign policy throughout history has been to be at war with whichever country was most powerful on the continent. When it was Spain, they were at war with Spain, when it was France they were at war with France, ditto Germany, and since 1945, the USSR/Russia. It’s almost as if present British, and American, thinking on these matters is still coloured by the idea that if things go badly they can retreat behind their 20-mile-wide moat and wait out the conflagration they helped ignite. This is a luxury-belief countries on Russia’s borders can’t afford, and while the approach of Poland and the Baltic states to their own security is markedly different to Hungary’s, for example, it is entirely predicated on the belief that NATO will come to their aid if necessary. Once it dawns on them that whatever is left of NATO after the US exits is in no position to help them militarily, I imagine they’ll have to rethink their position.
Yup. Offshore balancing is nefarious.
Agree with all of those points, but I counter with two words: Emmanuel Macron. He is truly stupid enough to do something dangerous if the chance presents itself.
Forgive me for asking but where was the Crimean War fought and who were our opponents?
Furthermore, remind me of Catherine the Great’s birthplace?
I have no idea what point you’re trying to make, but I highly recommend Flashman at The Charge if you’re interested in the Crimean War and the Russian culture at the time, one of my favourites.
This is one of the more contentious issues on Unherd because both sides have valid and well reasoned arguments that are logical, rational, and informed by the established facts of the conflict, the situation on the ground, and the geopolitical situation in general. Both sides are correct to an extent. Putin was the aggressor and should be opposed on principle. However, the strategic reality is that Ukraine cannot retake their lost territory and that each week, month, and year the war goes on, the difference in manpower and resources between the two sides will only make further Russian gains more likely. Putin knows he has the advantage and is likely to drive a very hard bargain as a result. Poland and others who have experienced living under Russian domination in living memory have very good reason to be wary and are understandably motivated to avoid a repeat of history. This will be a tough negotiation, and Ukraine will likely get a very bad deal, but they will at least get to keep their own country, and it has to be done, because other geopolitical realities are now at play.
Hegseth was being absolutely truthful and honest when he said “stark strategic realities prevent the United States of America from being primarily focused on the security of Europe”. What he didn’t say and didn’t need to say was why. For anyone who’s not been following America’s military preparations and some of the leaked communications between the Pentagon and army/navy generals, the US is seriously preparing to fight a war with China over Taiwan in a way they haven’t seriously prepared for a full scale modern conflict since the fall of the Soviet Union. The implication and reality is that Taiwan is more strategically important than all of Europe. So are India, Japan, and South Korea. This is the Asian century. If the Europeans want to re-fight the Cold War, they’ll have to finance it themselves. In the theoretical possibility that there’s a third World War involving both China and Russia, it will be the opposite of the last world war, as the bulk of the US’s attention and productive capacity will be focused to the East, and Europe will be the secondary theater. That is the reality that Europe must confront. I suspect it was being said before Biden left office, just not broadcast to the general public.
Your comment is more valuable than the entire discussion under this stupid article (Fazi is a socialist and like all socialists, he hates freedom deep down and loves Putin simply because Putin is America’s enemy)
The answer is that they are nationalists who hate the Russian speakers in the country and whose ancestors collaborated with the Germans in the Second World War. The same impulse that causes Ukrainian ultranationalists in the Donbas to knock down the statues of the partisans who fought the N-zis is that which caused them to establish concentration camps in Ukraine in return for the promised German invasion of Russia.
Foolish comment, sorry, very foolish
Big hello to you, loser, from the 300 Spartans and the defenders of Fort Alamo!
Rest in peace, Britain of Nelson and Churchill. Your descendants are rotten to the core.
NATO entirely lost its rationale for existence with the fall of the Soviet Union but organizational inertia, mission creep, “rice bowls” (those whose careers depended upon its continued existence) and greed (I’m looking at you, arms industry) fed by its expansion eastwards ensured that it not only survived, but became a bloated caricature of its former self.
The escalation will depend on on the Europeans actually coming up with some money, not a guarantee given the state of most EU economies.
“countries like Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia etc. … might also have been more likely to have had positive cultural and economic partnerships with Russia.” If you inquire with citizens of these countries, they will explain to you the “cultural and economic partnership” with Russia they enjoyed under colonial rule by Moscow between nearly all of 1940 to 1990.
“Perpetuating the very conditions that caused the conflict in the first place…”
Fazi’s Russophilia really is going into overdrive. Ukraine did not provoke Russia’s attack, any more than Georgia provoked Russia’s attack in 2008.
If Trump thinks he can trust Putin’s guarantees, he’s a fool. We will end up with the worst of all worlds, where Ukraine becomes a de facto member of NATO, but where Putin thinks he can push Ukraine around without America responding. If that doesn’t start a general war in Europe, I don’t know what will.
Ukraine’s military action against the Russian speakers in the East of the country, with around 16,000 dead, between 2014 and 2022 wasn’t provocation?
The Ukrainian Biolabs had been running for years, and then Zelensky declared he was going to acquire nuclear weapons.
And NATO didn’t comment. Nothing to see here.
To put that in comparison ‘we’ lost about 3,000 over 30 years in Ulster. 1969-1997/8.
There was no military action against Russian speakers (by the way, Zelensky is a native Russian speaker) in the east of Ukraine. No action in Kherson, no action in Kharkiv etc. The action was against the two Russian puppet separatist states, created by Russian military without uniforms (so called little green men). If there hadn’t been Russian troops there, there wouldn’t have been any military violence.
And no “bio labs” either, if by that you mean biological warfare research and production.
This is Russian propoganda – Putin’s original claim of genocide being committed by Ukraine in the Donbas. The claim has been comprehensively debunked.
I guess the ‘Biolabs’ reference is to Putins false claim that Ukraine led the Salisbury Novichok poisoning of the Russian dissident.
Debunked? By whom? The MSM…lol…
Every serious organisation with an interest in such things. Look it up!
Why not just tell everyone here and now?
Ukrainian biolabs? You’ve been watching too much RT!
I’ve been watching too much Victoria Nuland:
https://youtu.be/qRxi4QLQITY
Do we know how hammered Hegseth was when he said all this? Or maybe he was rushing to keep a date with a lil’ cutie that he picked up? Or he had some ass kissing to do on Hannity that evening?
That’s the beauty of having a scumbag running the US military I guess – endless excuses for when the helicopters go down or whatever other disasters are looming around the corner under this bozo’s watch.
Best and the brightest? LOL!
That’s what you got?
This is simple appeasement. Trump is giving chunks of Ukraine away to please Putin.
Nobody is surprised.
Let us know when you’re off to Ukraine to fight…
At some point, we may not have the choice.
Russia is going to invade Britain? Really?
There is every chance it will nuke Britain.
Let’s hope they do us a favour and go for Birmingham first.
Ah, someone who remembers the 1980 Punch article on the subject of the upcomming Summer Nuclead being scottched.
Quickly followed by Londonistan.
Indeed and in 1914 and yet again in 1939 we made a catastrophically POOR one, and are still living with the consequences.
I still think the Americans should have nuked Russia in ’48. It would have solved a lot of problems. It probably would have caused China to soil its collective trousers too.
You wouldn’t have been alone, but then there would have been no ‘Cold War’ for the US Industrial Military Complex to feast on!
However it could also have meant the imposing of the ‘Morgenthau Plan’ on Germany which may not have been a bad thing.
I disagree about 1914. Britain couldn’t risk having a bellicose nation with the largest army in Europe and an expanding Navy controlling the Low Countries. Britain would be in permanent danger. It had been Britain’s policy for a long time to prevent such a situation.
Of course the war was catastrophically mishandled, but the principle was right.
If Northcliffe had been less stupid and Asquith more attentive it would never have happened.
I think the threat from the Kaiser was exaggerated, and we were in a far stronger position as a neutral rather than as a belligerent.
What had worked for Elizabeth I, Queen Anne, and George III, would not necessarily work again and on this occasion (WWI)it spectacularly didn’t!
I’ll push the button to launch the nukes, if you like.
“Boom goes London, Boom Boom Pariee, more room for you and more room for me” – Randy Newman, “Political Science”
Judging by the last test launch they won’t go very far. Best make sure your bunker is very very deep.
The idea that Russia were forced by the West to invade is nonsense.Noone has ever threatened to invade Russia and noone would ever want to ! Russian ethnics in Ukraine who prefer to be Russian can easily go back to mother Russia very easily without doing it the other way round !
“ Re-establishing direct dialogue between Washington and Moscow is undoubtedly a positive development.”
I remain gobsmacked that Biden never understood the value of direct communications with the enemy.
Biden didn’t understand anything because he was mentally unfit from the start. He was always just a puppet of the Neocons.
Effective communication requires both sides to be competent and know what they are doing.
It also requires some level of honesty, which Putin simply doesn’t have. Neither do any of his countrymen, come to think of it.
Well Biden’s level of honesty has been proved by his issuing pardons to himself and all relatives as far as 6th cousins for eternity.
I’m amazed that anyone should be gobsmacked at Biden proving himself an incompetent fool.
Indeed. It’s the main reason why Obama uttered the famous line, “never underestimate Biden’s capacity to f&@k things up.”
Biden’s corruption in Ukraine will eventually out, as such things always do eventually …
Maybe the Europeans are hawkish because they’re the ones that actually have to deal with Russia, and know from centuries of experience that they can’t be trusted
They were hawkish because Uncle Samuel was guaranteeing the cheques they were writing. Well he isn’t anymore, because he has a rather more pressing priority.
So the toy town Churchills will actually have to try to stump up the treasure and manpower necessary to back up their bellicose verbiage. The slight problem is that their countries are broke and declining, and their people are highly unlikely to want to sign up to fight armed with broomsticks.
Of course, they could lead by example and join up themselves…lol
I’d love to see a company of Eurocrats putting their money where their big mouths are and joining up, they could even sell it as “strength through diversity” initiative, rainbow flags and all.
Wouldn’t it be great to see Mutti Ursula (and Baerbock, Kallas, Macron, etc.) on the front lines? I’m sure the Russians would have no choice but to surrender then…
They’re going to have to, or the Russians will be at their door.
They don’t have to fight with broomsticks. Some of them at least have nukes.
But not reliable delivery systems. Nukes which can only sit at home aren’t very good scare tactics.
You may have heard of nuclear deterrents on submarines?
patrolling 365 days a year, fully armed
The yapping poodles on Europe’s eastern approaches never fail to amuse, but to take them seriously is de trop …
Maybe the Russians are ignoring the West Europeans because they know they really only have to deal with daddy Murica and know from centuries of experience that western Europe can’t be trusted.
Well, at the 2008 Bucharest Summit it was the US that pushed for NATO membership for Ukraine while most European members opposed it, notably France and Germany
Don’t you go ruining the rants on here with facts
Poland and Sweden both invaded Muscovey in the 16th century, France invaded in 1812, and then there was the small matter of Barbarosa. Plenty of reasons then for Russia to distrust those to its west.
There’s also the small matter of European and American meddling in the Russian Civil War …
Indeed.
Poor russians, that are being demonised. Give us a break.
Hmm. It’s not the first time, though is it? Isn’t about time that Russians stopped being serfs?
They’re only serfs to other Russians
What about the actual nazis in Ukraine?
They’re not real ones apparently. The real ones are in Reform, National Rally, AfD etc. apparently.
“Security guarantees” – from Russia? You are surely joking (if it wasn’t so serious). The last such guarantee by Russia (1991?) they had no compunction in breaking.
Anyone who would ever trust the Russians on anything, ever is clearly retarded. “Honesty” is simply not part of Russian DNA.
That “security guarantee” was predicated on Ukraine’s being a neutral state, as its constitution in 91 clearly stated. When they dropped that provision, they made moot Russia’s guarantee.
Ukraine was not trying to enter NATO when Russia attacked it in 2014.
Russia did not attack Ukraine in 2014. There was a NATO coop and the new government started persecuting the ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Wagner was created to counter this. In the Crimea, the Russians were already there, (they had never left). The legitimate government of Crimea preferred the Russians stay and the Ukrainians stay out.
For the next 8 years Russia negotiated for a diplomatic solution, (which BTW would have left both Crimea and Donbass as part of Ukraine). The Minsk accords were agreed to by the Europeans, but ignored, and finally scottched when NATO had built up the Ukrainian military.
ROFL! Be careful though, some of the commenters here will think you’re serious!
Amusing. There was zero justification for Putin annexing Crimea. He had said he intended to that long before he did. The larger invasion in 2022 happened because Ukraine preferred the west.
I continue to be amazed by the parallel universe inhabited by Thomas Fazi – to the extent that one has to wonder if he is merely a useful idiot or actually working for the Russians. European belligerence is a threat to peace? Who does he think began this war? Who launched an unprovoked attack on a neighbouring state? Who has occupied large swathes of its territory illegally, and continues to prolong the fighting through naked aggression? Who deliberately targets Ukrainian civilians, while also throwing its own (and some foreign) citizens into the meatgrinder of the Donbass front without regard for casualties? We all know the answer to this question, and it isn’t Zelensky, or Tusk, or Kallas, or Starmer.
It is probably true that recovering the Donbass and Crimea is not realistic for Ukraine, and the inhabitants of those regions who wanted to remain Ukrainian have long since fled. This is a tragedy for the Crimean Tatars in particular, but reconquering territory where most people now do not want to live under Ukrainian rule is a very different proposition from liberating territories where they do. However Russia is also occupying large areas (Mariupol, southern Zaporizhia, parts of Kherson) whose Ukrainian inhabitants are being subjected to ruthless policies of Russification. Remember also that Putin lays claim to all of Zaporizhia and Kherson, including large areas that he has not been able to take by force. Should these just be given up?
As for Russia not being a threat – perhaps those who actually live alongside it and have recent memories of Soviet tyranny – Poland, the Baltic States, Moldova – are in a better position to judge than Mr. Fazi. Give the Putin regime a few years of peace to lick its wounds, and with Chinese economic and technological support they will indeed be coming after what is left of Ukraine, and then set their sights on other ex-Soviet territories. If we want to prevent this then Ukraine needs security guarantees with real teeth – not just a repeat of the Budapest accords, which seems to be what the Trump administration has in mind – and Europe does indeed have to re-arm in order to deter and negotiate from a position of strength (which, to be fair, is exactly what Hegseth said they had to do yesterday). The problem is not European ‘hawks’, it is foot-dragging and pusillanimity on the part of the Germans in particular, as well as several other nominal members of NATO such as Spain.
I appreciate that UnHerd tries to give a platform to as wide a range of opinion as possible, but Fazi is completely deluded if he thinks Europe rather than Russia is the aggressor here.
Thank goodness for a voice speaking not only sense, but truth.
bizarre to read so many of the comments here – some being ‘clever’, some clearly without much clue what really has happened, some acting as agents provocateurs
Ukraine has suffered terrible consequences of the Russian invasion/s. They agreed to hand over their nuclear weapons on condition that Russia would respect their borders. The risk was so great, the choice was made. Russia knew that they could return without resistance, either from Ukraine, or from the spineless Europeans…so they did.
Now we have to deal with the consequences, plus the added nightmare of Trump, who allied as he is to Putin, will ensure Ukraine’s freedom (if it can be achieved) will be at the highest possible cost.
Europe, this is your hour.
Agree with much of this and Trump’s plan seems the most sensible and practical achievable now.
Also, I think the US interest is really to get the Russia relationship into a stable equilibrium both sides can live with rather than “reconnect”.
But certainly don’t agree with this:
“Underlying this growing military buildup is the belief that Russia poses an existential threat to Europe, despite Moscow lacking both the capability and intent to attack Nato.”
To certain, currently small parts of Europe, it arguably does. Moldova is on that list. So is Georgia. Russia is quite capable of picking off a Baltic state today if NATO doesn’t respond. And it will certainly rebuild its military and learn at least some lessons from its failures in Ukraine. Naive in the extreme to assume that a few Ukrainian provinces are Putin and Russia’s “final territorial demand”.
Yeah. About as sensible as believing that the Sudetenland was Hitler’s “final territorial demand”.
Let’s see, Hitler came to power in 1932/33 and within 10 years he had conquered most of Europe. If Putin is reading from Hitler’s playbook, he has to be increadibly inept.
Fortunately, Putin is incredibly inept. If Hitler had have invaded Ukraine, the war would have been over long before now. After all, Hitler had a competent military that wasn’t drunk most of the time. However, that doesn’t make Putin any less of a tyrant.
Good to see there is some sanity in Europe, even if there is none in the US. Europe must prepare on the basis that it will be at war with Russia in the near future. If the US will no longer hols its nuclear umbrella over Europe, that must also include Europe increasing its nuclear arsenal. Unsurprisingly, the nations geographically closest to Russia are taking the lead, given that they are under no illusions as to what type of people Russians are.
What type of people are they? Russia hasn’t stormed Europe or are you unaware of that?
Russians are barbarians. They have been barbarians for the 400 or so years they have been a nation, and they were probably barbarians a good while before that. I am pretty confident in saying they will be barbarians for the next 100 years at least. Russia has stormed Ukraine. Ukraine is “Europe” in my book.
“Starmer signed a bilateral defence partnership in Kyiv, pledging an additional £3 billion in annual military aid, on top of the £12.8 billion already provided. The deal also reaffirms Britain’s backing for Ukraine’s Nato membership.”
My first instinct was to call this “insanity”. But I think it’s worse than that.
Starmer was guaranteeing his future income…as Johnson did.
High Treason by Herr Stermer?
Agreed, bilateral it certainly is not. More like unilateral with no apparent direct benefit to the UK. £3 billion pa, whilst complaining about the so-called, inherited ‘£20 billion black-hole’, annoying the farmers and causing pensioners, just above the welfare safety net to suffer exhorbitant energy bills. It beggars belief.
Fazi might just as well say Russia wants to take over Ukraine and we have to let it. Then we must let it take over the next country it would like to.
Weird how you never complain about the US doing just that.
The Russians learned their lessons from America’s unipolar moment and surprise surprise, watching the US/UK waltz into countries to topple them made the Russians think they can do it too!
But of course, when you do it, then it’s fine because it’s about “freedom and democracy”.
It’s amazing how people fall for this every 5 years and then unironically complain about the consequences of the last war while cheering for it as it’s happening again.
Russia has always sought to control the countries to its west. Nothing to do with the west’s mistakes.
The Cold War called and wants its “Domino Theory” back …
Where is the ‘anti-Russian sentiment’?
Does it exist in the crime-ridden areas of Birmingham? Can it be found among the shopkeepers of Middlesborough daily plundered by shoplifters? Do people searching (usually in vain) for a public toilet have Putin on their mind?
The aggressor is Russia or more precisely it’s criminal dictator Putin, not Europe. Caving in to his desires, and giving him all he wants, may be a solution in the short run but will bring more trouble in the longer run. Who knows with that other dictatorship China as well.
No country should recognise a change in sovereignty and jurisdiction over a territory taken by force.
This should be a very basic premise of an international society.
Not because Ukrainians don’t like it.
But because it is in nobody’s long-term interest to break this principle.
That’s a great point. So lets return Kosovo to Serbia and get the enormous NATO base that is there out.
It’s amazing how much of recent history people forget.
They only know as much history as is necessary to re-bleat what the MSM tells them.
Are you intending to turf the Turks out of Northern Cyprus? They’ve been occupying it for 50 years and nobody but the Greeks cares tuppence.
So what happens to Israel? Back to the ghetto perhaps?
Retroactive to when? Should we then refuse to recognise Italian sovereignty over South Tirol, or Croatian over those parts that used to be part of Italy? Or indeed, the whole of North America which was conquered by a combination of force, subterfuge, and flagrant abrogation of treaty-terms?
I agree with your first two sentences, and wish they applied universally, but when someone doesn’t play by these rules, those that do have a decision to make. They can either confront the aggressor directly, which in the context of the Ukraine war is impossible for European states (especially now that the U.S. is exiting stage left), or they can do the next best thing, which is to negotiate a settlement that potentially leaves both sides somewhat dissatisfied, but saves countless civilian lives.
Good, sensible article but a certain whiff of appeasement there. Trump’s language makes it clear that Zelenskyy and Ukraine are an irrelevance. I sense a love-in between the head of the gangster state and a President whose foreign policy has a certain resemblance to protection racketeering. I don’t think a mature, reasonable treaty is likely to be engineered by these people. Hope I’m wrong.
A whiff? More like a significant reek
The west decided a long time ago it would not give the Ukrainian army what it would need to drive Russia out of its territories.
However, the idea that a peace deal leaving the remaining 80% of Ukraine at Putin’s mercy has any chance of longevity and won’t in effect reward him for his aggression and therefore encourage future such episodes is very dangerous, as is recognising Russian sovereignty over those areas at all.
Ukraine would’ve been much better off without “western help”, which is true of 90% of America’s “regional partners”, just ask the Kurds.
Take care of your own problems, the world will thank you for it.
Ukraine has survived due to western help. Just one reason it must not be de facto neutered for Russia in any agreement now.
Ukraine would’ve had a new government that isn’t a western economic laundering scheme, 6-8 more million people it desperately needs, it’s industrial heartland and most, if not all of their land again.
But sure, go on pretending that the rump state that’ll be left over is superior to that.
It’s amazing that even after being directly responsible for getting them to this point (by sabotaging the negotiations), you think your government was trying to help.
Of course it’s almost boring to say it but exactly the same argument made in 1938.
And the ‘leaving Ukraine to it’s fate’ message to other Nations round the World about Western resolve when it comes to it? Good one isn’t it. Perfect for likes of Xi and other Autocrats.
Standing up for the kid getting bullied so other bullies weren’t encouraged to do likewise never something you experienced? Human nature fella. It’s about where you then stand.
Ukraine decided to leave the Russian orbit for good reasons a long time ago. Russia is a sink of criminality, as I’m sure you know. By your logic any country should yield to Russia to remain ‘whole’ (in reality poor and enslaved). Poland escaped and shows how much better it is outside Russian control.
If Trump wishes to reward Russia for its actions in Ukraine that will be his fault and no-one else’s.
Yeah, assuming your definition of “better off” comprises “being tortured, raped and murdered by the Russians”.
The purpose of NATO was to “Keep the Americans in, the Russians out, and the Germans down” – Lord Ismay, the first Secretary General of NATO.
IMHO, NATO and the Warsaw Pact had that last one, (as well the rest of Europe docile), as a common interest. By being against each other, the two alliances kept warlike Europe at peace. An occupation would not have worked, but stationing troops there for their “protection” was a winning strategy.
Now as the fetters come off, the warlike rhetoric of Europe is escalating.
The Germans are the “good guys” now. However, the Russians are still “the enemy”, just as they always were.
The pacifists or fainthearts are out in force today. If Ukraine can keep going for another year or so, the Russian war machine might at last crack.
I do not think your line of argument convincing. Yes, there are European hawks with a lot of belligerent talk and posturing. But, apart from Poland and the Baltic states, the biggest European countries like Germany, France and the UK might talk about military buildup, but are financially hardly able to do anything substantial. Take Germany, which has not improved its military capabilities in spite of a supposedly 100 Billion investment. France and the UK, for the foreseeable future, lack the financial clout for a real military buildup. Countries like Italy and Spain do not even pretend to increase real military spending. In sum, I do not see real European military buildup. Some might come, but far from any real military deterrent capabilities. In addition, I do not see any basis for the claim that Russia, despite lacking the military capability, poses an existential threat to Europe. I even doubt that the European hawks belief it themselves. My line would be: Trump´s diplomacy will bring peace, European hawks are all talk and no action, and history will soon forget about them.
Point of order – I don’t think that Italy building up its military will make much difference to anything. When in the last 1500 years has Italy had a military that was even remotely effective?
Europe can’t stop Trump and Putin from negotiating peace; the idea of Europe’s continuing the war without the US is ludicrous.
Has Europe lost its mind? Trump was beyond clear about wanting the killing to end. That doesn’t imply cozying up to Russia; it just recognizes reality. Ukraine cannot win and the west has done the country agreat disservice with the constant NATO drum beat.
There is no Soviet Union. Putin has been in power for 20+ years with no move at conquering any part of Europe. He wants to do business; any recall the pipelines? Blowing them up hasn’t helped anyone except maybe us (America) in ratcheting up natural gas sales.
It he cosied up to Putin. He never criticises him.
As opposed to personally insulting him which is sure to produce beneficial results. Certainly many Western “statesmen” seem to think that’s the way forward…
Not as opposed to personally insulting him, no. Straw man there.
But to flatter the man is a risk. And nothing in Putin’s approach suggests he is imbued with ‘common sense’.
It may be that Trump has some master plan that involves these niceties and he has at least said the US will support Ukraine for as long as necessary now Ukraine has agreed to resource sharing. But insulting allies and flattering warring dictators is obviously a problem
Nobody in Europe will ever be idiot enough to “do business” with Russia again.
You definitely underestimate their ability to be idiots
Ok, you might have a point, but I am hopeful that if the pipeline is rebuilt, it might have the good fortune to blow up again. I do note that even Trump thought that building it in the first place was stupid.
The Europeans can be as hawkish as they want but how many divisions do they have?
Slightly more than the Pope.
Even without the US, they still have more nukes than the Pope too. Still, maybe the Pope has the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch stashed somewhere in the Vatican.
Putin is building military capacity fast.
His fear is democracy to his west and perhaps the loss of empire sticking to his name.
Trump’s tone is one of appeasement and nobody in that camp seems willing to reckon with the longer term risks.
‘noting accurately what Russia has just done’ = ‘demonising Russia’ in the eyes of the author.
Fazi – one letter’s wrong i guess? The history of the Princes of Kiev, St Petersburg and Moscow and their years under the tartar yoke are known. Except to herr fazi. Same as the “blood and soil” hate mongers of the last centuary the moron cannot understand that real people come from “somewhere”. The Russian Crimea and Donbass is no more Ukraina than Essex or Kent. Ironic considering herr fazi probably thinks Kent and Essex are part of Korashan, or Bi-afra, or Palestine or wherever else isn’t the UK
“So now we know. Washington is intent on decoupling from Europe and reconnecting with Russia”
????????? What does ‘decoupling’ mean? What does ‘reconnecting mean’?
This statement “the territories seized by Russia would be ceded in exchange for security guarantees. Kyiv would be expected to renounce military and diplomatic efforts to reclaim lost land and officially recognise Russian sovereignty over these regions.” may have broader implications for the Middle East too, particularly in the ongoing dynamics between Israel and Palestine.
I think Trump is onto something here.
It seems that if the EU is effectively caught between Russia and Ukraine, acting as a buffer for Ukraine’s security and theirs (No US Nato footing the bill), then a similar strategy might be unfolding in the Middle East. The U.S. may be loosening its grip on Ukraine in pursuit of something greater—potentially reshaping the geopolitical landscape of Israel and Palestine. Trump may be positioning the U.S. as the security guarantor for Palestine (the ownership of Gaza may have been play with words), while Israel, much like Russia, retains some land but no longer maintains an active occupation or physical presence in agreed (this is the itch) Palestine!
If this strategy succeeds—meaning the EU becomes more realistic about its position—Trump may attempt a similar approach in Greater Israel and Palestine, including Hamas, something never tried before. There also seems to be an underlying assumption that the EU’s fear of Russia parallels Israel’s fear of Palestine. This is an interesting pattern to keep in mind as events unfold.
Furthermore, if we consider this logic, perhaps Putin’s surprise strategic pullback from Syria had a deeper meaning. It could have been a calculated move to shift focus elsewhere, possibly anticipating a broader realignment in the region. Also the thing between Russia and Iran smells a bit fishy! If so, it suggests that Russia, like the U.S., sees the Middle East as a key piece in the global balance of power, and its actions may be interwoven with this emerging strategy.
“Putin’s surprise strategic pullback from Syria….” Didn’t his boy Assad get rolled? Hard for the Russians to hang around after that.
Been a few years now but Fazi’s missives consistently indicate he’d basically trust Putin. And that’s his repetitive message. ‘Come on he’s not that bad, ceasefire and he’ll leave Ukraine alone. It’s the NATO lot who are to blame and we are doing ourselves more harm. Who cares about a bunch of Ukrainians trying to build a Country’. It’s the same thing just wrapped up in different ways each time.
Never been within 500 miles of the frontline to talk to how Ukrainians feel. I bet he’s wiped Bucha from his mind.
Apologist. Remember it.
Putin meanwhile can’t believe his luck. An hours conversation with cognitively declining, easy to play Trump child’s play for a schooled KGB operative. And handy having useful idiots in western media create a narrative that gets him off the hook.
Fazi is on the Far Left. Like all on the Far Left, he hates “the West”. In furtherance of that, he is prepared to support someone like Putin.
Any continuation of the conflict in Ukraine will have to be made without Ukrainian soldiers, because those will all soon be dead, or very sensibly be unwilling to sacrifice their lives. If the Europeans now build up their militaries, it will obviously be to directly confront Russia, to voluntarily place their own soldiers and cities at stake. This would be an insane path. This sad, foolish war needs to be settled by negotiation, in the expectation of future peace, and no further war should be planned.
On the plus side, lots of Russian soldiers will be dead too, and each one of them that dies makes the world a better place.
Russia can only control its empire through violence. Given a chance, countries flee its embrace, knowing western orbits are better. Many broke free, Ukraine didn’t make it.
Russia will fail again perhaps for the final time soon enough.
When it does fail, the West should take active steps to crush its economy, so that it can be kept down forever. Who would ever trust it?
The west should do that anyway, but sadly Trump seems to be leaning the other way. Feeding a dictatorship with a structural need for war isn’t very sensible.
Could you please tell us what Russia’s security concerns actually are? Russia is run by a short-arse, paranoid schitzophrenic who seems not to recognise what has happened over the last 36 years since the collapse of the berlin Wall. We have not threatened Russia at all in that time. “Russia” has no concerns about the West, but the grip that Putin has on his people leads them to the dreadful state they are in today. We volunteered to go to Russia to shoot Putin back in Feb 22 – three women and one man as a team – but we weren’t allowed to go!!
What exactly are Russia’s security concerns? That Europe may defend itself from further Russian aggression? Appeasing Russia is not a policy to be proud of. Mr Trump please note.
Alan Sked
Hard to say. Russia knows that Poland is spoiling for a fight (we can ignore the Baltic States) but who else in Europe is? I’m not convinced about the other hawks and much of Europe is in trouble one way or another. Other European countries might either seek to restrain Poland or distance themselves from the Poles. Moreover, it’s at this point that eastern European countries might start to consider what a defeat for Ukraine offers them? Could some of eastern Ukraine be restored to Poland? Could Hungary hope to see some of its lost territory restored? The war could take an unexpected turn.
Hardly a surprise that Poland is “spoiling for a fight”. They have more reason than most to hate the Russians.
Reason has rarely been a hallmark of Polish foreign policy …
Well, I think every Pole has learned the “Russia bad” lesson well enough.
Poland isn’t ‘spoiling for a fight’. It has merely readied itself for the scenario where Russia starts one. Putin probably knows better than to try though.
This article is self contradictory. On the one hand, it argues that Russia both lacks the capability and the intention to attack NATO. Yet, it warns that Europe’s hawkish stance may prompt it not to wait any longer and strike preemptively. So, which one is true? The article blatantly disregards the realities of Russia’s aggression and the right of Ukraine to its land. And it seems not to learn anything from history.
Well observed. The pro-Russia position stands on very shaky ground.
Fazi terms accurate assessments of what Russia has done, which include extensive atrocities, as ‘demonization’.
It looks likely that the Donbas will become a DMZ.
Kiev will then be charged with keeping the Ukrainian nationalists in check. The responsibility of the US and EU alike is to keep checks on Russian military activity in this new buffer zone.
Sadly so much of this article and som of the comment seems infused by the spirit of Munich / Chamberlain / Anschluss.
“security guarantees” Lol. What security?
This country is already invaded and permanently altered by millions of foreigners, and not in a good way. Who gives a Donald Duck what happens in Ukraine, but at least they have a nation. Most of the people living here would not fight for this country, it is no longer their homeland, or it never was.The people who join the military do not expect to actually have to fight a war. The programme I watched about our new aircraft carrier revealed that what was really important was an LGBTQ cake. This country no longer has a sense of itself. It is deracinated. Nobody will give their life to defend it, and rightly so. It is no longer worth the bones of a single British grenadier.
Putin isn’t unlike Adolf Hitler psychologically and, as used to be taken for granted, appeasement of his type is absolutely stupid and wicked. Like Hitler he would take any concessions granted and without pause continue his malign activities irrespective of any ‘agreement’ to do otherwise. The interesting thing psychologically about this Ukraine business is the increasing wussification of the West in general and Europe in particular. ‘Decline’ is always followed by ‘Fall’ and the precedent of the Roman Empire is all too clear as the United States ‘legions’ retreat from Europe.
I totally disagree with what the writer is stating here.
Europe is patently underweaponised, as well as having the wrong kind of weapons now in bulk. I live in Poland and realise what a threat Russia is (and has been historically to Eastern Europe), whereas this article is written by a journalist who probably lives in the UK and has peacenik sensibilities.
The only thing Russia respects is force. If Europe does not rearm and follow the advice of the so-called hawks, then Russian will see it as a soft target. What is far better is ‘peace through strength’ as was advocated by Ronald Reagan where Russia totally respected the US.
So, ignore this journalist’s ill-thought out advice and doom mongering. Europe needs to rearm, and the sooner the better, particularly if Trump is going to switch his attention from maintaining a European defensive umbrella to combatting China in the South Pacific.
What amazes me about so many harsh critics of Western involvement and support for Ukraine, is how on the one side they take absolutely everything the Russian side says on trust, while being endlessly skeptical about Western motives.
It is perfectly obvious why Poland, Estonia Lithuania and others might be suspicious of Russia. We keep hearing statements that we should take on trust the fact that Russia doesn’t have any further territorial ambitions in Eastern Europe – not that it’s actually made this clear! Then we have the fact that Putin himself seems to become radicalized over time, especially after his near seclusion during the pandemic. We shouldn’t pretend we know what exactly what he’s thinking now – and we certainly don’t know in the future! He doesn’t himself!
In international affairs it’s a good idea to be militarily prepared, not just to take on trust what your adversaries tell you. Some of these critics are so people who are so caught up in their fundamental criticisms of their own societies (only permitted in the west of course!) that they almost routinely disdain everything their leaders say while accepting most of what western adversaries do. Russia is a state after all that came quite close to poisoning thousands of British citizens in an outrageous attack on a small town targeting someone who was of absolutely no threat whatsoever to Russia in any objective way.
I know that Britain, France, and Germany are not going to attack Russia, so I presume the Russian intelligence services know exactly the same thing! So why do we just lap up Russian propaganda that it is the NATO “threat” that has caused this aggression? A much more plausible explanation is that Putin doesn’t want the threat of a possible good example on his doorstep.
I’m with Niall Ferguson – what the West should have done is armed Ukraine with everything it wanted without quibbling, putting out economies on a partial war footing – (small fraction of the money spaffed away during covid). The combined economic strength of the west is vastly greater than that of Russia, which could have been defeated quite easily and with much less loss of life, both Ukrainian and Russian than the military quagmire that has developed. Of course nobody should have been so stupid as to try and invade Moscow. Then Ukraine and western powers could have been negotiating for a position of strength, not weakness.
The big western European countries have no money and no arms. Germany has about 130 fighter aircraft and around 300 tanks. Romania has more tanks than Germany. The defence secretary under Merkel was that clown Ursula von der Leyen. Under her defence spending was at 1,2% and she cleverly blew most of the money on extremely expensive consultancies and to have tanks customized so pregnant women could drive them. The incompetence of the politicians the large European countries are led by is staggering.
Laugh, peace through weakness?
If anyone believes this they deserve what’s coming.
I think Europe needs to get off the ground where they have been begging to the Americans. Start the process of revitalizing their military capacity and then negotiate from strength.
This is a superb article that spins a nuanced and very different alternative to the standard ‘Russia wants to steamroller Europe’ nonsense.
However, Europe is effectively broke and highly invested in diluting its native populations and cities into dangerous and rootless third world balkanised slums to make central control a much smoother process. London being a great example.
So, good luck with producing an effective armed force that will fight for that.
Unfortunately for the EU warmongers, to fight a ground war you do need nation states who have a national identity based on a shared sense of history and collective beliefs that the population will fight for.
No European will get into a trench and fight a totally avoidable conflict to appease some EU Neo Socialists brainless ego today. Many, including myself, think Putin had a point.
Finally, in order to fund what would be needed to mount something credible we would have to effectively scrap our welfare states (the things that brought us to this point in the first place) … which would in turn oust the fools pushing it.
Like it or not we will just have to suck it up and learn to get on with Russia and stop antagonising them.
So if Europe’s leaders ate ready to destroy Europeans in a useless war and emerge as a caliphate, so be it. Reject peace. Reject rational immigration. Reject the principles that made Europe great. The leadership of Europe, on balance, is nihilistic. Democracy in action?
The interesting thing is that the forces in Europe who want to prolong the war and ignore Russia’s security concerns are all on the left of the political spectrum.
Russia is already attacking NATO and has been for quite some time. Right now it’s mostly nonviolent but its intent is hardly in doubt. The countries that joined NATO after 1991 did so to avoid what Ukraine is suffering now. I’m glad some European leaders understand what a mistake it would be to reward Putin even in the smallest way for what he has done. I hope they prevail and that somehow with their help Ukraine can still come out ahead.
Selling out Ukraine to a dictator obsessed with restoring Russia to imperial greatness, which is something else then “security concerns”, will only sow the seed for future conflicts either with Russia or that other dictatorship China.
The ‘leaders’ of the EU and the UK can barely govern and protect their own citizens so to imagine they would successfully manage a conflict with Russia is crazy.
The current American policy is correct.
Whatever its history modern day Ukraine has sovereignty- it is recognised as a state in international law. You cannot now use the history to your and Russia’s convenience to decide that it has no status and so it can be divided up to suit the aggressor and peace makers, it is a spurious and ultimately dangerous argument which may be used against other states. The reality is that Russia is the aggressor and the Ukrainians have understandably resisted. It matters not that their economy is corrupt and elections are over due. We should do the right thing and support it.
Has the US actually changed sides? Is it now an ally of Putin, a friend to Xi?
Probably not the latter.
Mr Fazi,doesn’t the sentence “For Moscow, we know, will not compromise on its key demands, which include the complete withdrawal of Ukrainian forces from four Russian-occupied regions” have a typo? Didn’t you mean “… withdrawal of russian forces…”?
How will Russia do a pre emptive strike? Their main strike forces have been wasted in the early months in Ukraine, and they are pulling in ex cons, mercenaries, North Koreans and every man and his dog from regional ‘quotas’,their main battle tanks are now being drawn from old refurbished 60’s models, the Armata is non existent, their airforce cannot establish air superiority over Ukraine, the vaunted SU57 is impressive by its non appearance the air defences are demonstrably awful. Artillery is supplied with old and N Korean stock with big failure rates (up to 30% duds). Morale is horrendous. The nuclear stock needs constant maintenance and intelligence suggest this is rarely done. Russia is struggling economically with sanctions and being on a war footing which produces nothing to bring in money. Propaganda is just that.
It is taking dangerously long for Europe to see what Trump’s aim is. I think in the light of recent events that we have to consider the possibility that the President of the United States was corrupted and bought by Putin a long time ago and is now effectively a Russian agent.