'Nobody can prove in advance that it’s possible to convince enough people to change their minds.' Huw Fairclough/Getty Images.

In 1939, with his native Germany under totalitarian rule, Bertolt Brecht wrote a poem. Called “In Praise of Doubt” it encourages readers to always question established orthodoxies. Brecht mocks “the thoughtless who never doubt”, and who “don’t believe in the facts”, relying instead on their own opinions. But the poet’s main target is those who tell the downtrodden that their place in the world is inevitable, preordained, and impossible to challenge. As Brecht says, revising “eternal wisdom” can bring real-world change too — by shifting our beliefs about what is possible.
Today, we live in a curious age of scepticism, not merely towards the authority of expertise, but also towards promises of social change. Unreasonable attachment to our own ideas often sits alongside an unwillingness to consider the arguments of others, even as we’re often cynical about their motives. In this context, Adam Kucharski asks an awkward question. What, he wonders, in his new book Proof: the Uncertain Science of Uncertainty, does it mean to be convinced of something? More to the point, what does it take to convince you — what kind of evidence, and what kind of reasoning?
Not everything can be proved with mathematics and logic. Well done, Euclid, for using proof by contradiction to show that, if two angles in a triangle are equal, the sides opposite the angles will be equal too. But does that help me decide if a defendant is guilty, whether to get vaccinated, or how likely a social media post is to be true? Unlikely.
Proof is not the argument-ending rubber stamp that internet pedants lust for. Standards of proof, in science, medicine, or the law, did not fall, ready-made, from heaven. Ideas like “beyond reasonable doubt” or “statistical significance” were developed by humans to answer important questions within the constraints of what they had to hand: evidence, people, technical resources and time.
Today, we take for granted that any new medical treatment will have been through a standard array of tests, including randomised controlled trials (RCTs), analysed with statistical methods now mostly performed by computers. All these tools were invented by researchers and statisticians to answer specific questions. Do babies thrive better on cow’s milk or mother’s milk? Does streptomycin cure tuberculosis? Which type of barley makes the best Guinness?
Nature, like a guilty defendant, does not generally crack under interrogation and deliver a full confession. Measuring the effectiveness of a treatment, or identifying the factors that influence outcomes, is equally a job for detectives: piecing together evidence, eliminating misleading or irrelevant clues, and working out ways to test a hypothesis. Even then, researchers may conclude that one thing seems to cause another, but they don’t really know why.
Does this matter? After all, as Kucharski points out, we use very effective medical techniques, such as defibrillation, every day without understanding why they work. We board aeroplanes without worrying that mathematicians still can’t explain exactly how the flow of air over the wings keeps them aloft. At some point, we just accept the evidence of results — without understanding causes. That’s especially true when familiar statistical methods are turbocharged by AI and fed by industrial-scale data, meaning social as well as medical interventions are often based on this kind of correlation, rather than a clear understanding of causation.
Even leaving aside the real problem of unintended consequences, however, there’s a drawback to this approach. Observing correlation lets us predict what happens if we do more of the same. But understanding causality allows us to conjure something new. Kucharski cites the philosopher Judea Pearl’s “ladder of causality” — rising from association, through intervention, to counterfactuals — to imagine an alternative version of reality. What would happen if we did X instead of Y? And, perhaps more controversially, what would have happened, had we not done Y?
As a medical mathematician, involved in advising the UK government during Covid as part of SAGE, Kucharski was at the sharp end of this kind of “what if?” modelling. He has more practical experience than most would want in using incomplete data to build scenarios of what might happen in the future — or, rather, in different futures. For Kucharski, after all, variables included not only natural factors, like how contagious different Covid strains would turn out to be, but also how people would behave, and how different government policies might affect that behaviour.
Decisions made on the basis of these models, as Kucharski and his colleagues were well aware, would affect millions of lives. There was no laboratory in which to test alternative policies, only mathematical models with many assumptions baked in. The stakes were high, time and information were limited, and public debate was highly politicised.
Kucharski is careful to distinguish factual disputes from mere policy disagreements. As he puts it, “deciding what is true and false is not the same as deciding what is socially right and wrong.” He rightly criticises the disingenuous claim that governments were just “following the science” approvingly quoting Austin Bradford Hill, best known for discovering the link between smoking and lung cancer. “‘It was no part of our job to tell the public how to behave with regard to smoking…To become propagandists would ruin us as scientists and make us “biased” presenters of further material’.”
Still, given the profound disagreements that emerged about the nature of Covid, and how to prevent and cure it, you might expect Kucharski’s book, like Brecht’s poem, to attack those who “don’t believe” in the facts. You’d be wrong. After all, if we are aware of what it takes to be convinced that something is true, should we not also think about what it takes to convince others? We ourselves are not machines, absorbing data and outputting hypotheses. We weigh evidence and argument, testing new theories about the world against all our existing knowledge and assumptions. It’s reasonable to assume that others do the same.
Kucharski’s personal experience of vaccine-hesitant friends and family was that they had varying reasons for doubt. Some felt they didn’t know enough. Others were deeply sceptical of pharmaceutical companies in general. The author found he could only convince them that vaccination was a good idea by “taking the time to understand why they doubted, then finding ways to address these specific doubts.”
This should be obvious to everyone, in a pluralist, democratic society. But we live in a world where “proof by intimidation (‘the evidence is clear’)” is too often invoked by those who regard the public as beneath rational argument. Ironically, research shows this kind of approach is not effective — and indeed tends to backfire. “Public trust,” warns Kucharski, “is eroded as problems are brushed away with appeals to authority.”
This points to a deeper problem with the widespread attitude that evidence, or proof, is merely ammunition for propagandists of every stripe. Those on the receiving end lose faith, not just in specific pieces of evidence, but in the very methods and institutions they should be using to weigh and test the arguments.
Kucharski quotes Jules Henri Poincaré, the French mathematician and philosopher, writing in 1908: “To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection.” To rephrase, healthy scepticism gives way to fatalistic cynicism, what Brecht calls “the doubt which is a form of despair”.
Despite its title, “In Praise of Doubt” also targets those who doubt “not in order to come to a decision but to avoid a decision”. Writing in 1939, exiled from Nazi Germany and disillusioned by Stalinist Russia, he points the finger not only at those who fail to ask questions, or who suppress dissent — but also at those who don’t want to face the reality of their situation, or take responsibility for action.
Fair enough. Public discourse today too often falls into lazy sloganising, personal character attacks, and sloppy invocation of highly selected or dubious facts. We should all expect better standards of reasoning and evidence, and in turn deploy better arguments when trying to convince others. But political argument is generally not susceptible to the kinds of proof in Kucharski’s book. Types of evidence and reasoning appropriate to a laboratory, a court of law, or a philosopher’s musings, can only go so far.
Abraham Lincoln, fascinated by Euclid’s methods of mathematical proof, used “proof by contradiction” to show that one person could not legitimately enslave another. His capacity for logical argument against his opponents probably helped his election as President, but it did not end the practice of slavery. In the end, it took more than evidence and proof to change that social reality. It took both doubt that the existing state of affairs was the best (or only) possible world — and positively imagining an alternative reality. Yet it also meant convincing others that change was possible. And that, as Kucharski says, “is not just about data or research; it is a matter of psychology, politics and prior beliefs.”
In the end, nobody can prove in advance that it’s possible to convince enough people to change their minds. At some point, you just have to act on the strength of your conviction.
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SubscribeNo. What it really took is a large more powerful jurisdiction that didn’t have economic advantage in slavery.
Car crash article. You could see where it was heading a mile off with the preamble reminding me of the Simpson’s “Say the Line” meme.
““taking the time to understand why they doubted, then finding ways to address these specific doubts”.”
This perspective flies in the face of the premise of the article. Here, the underlying assumption is that there was an objective truth about vaccine safety, and it was only a matter of proving to people why they were wrong if they doubted The Science.
‘If you dont agree with me you are either lying, ignorant or mad’ is ever the heuristic of last resort in the whig progressive programme.
‘These truths w hold to be self-evident’
Perhaps it ultimately comes from the common origins of both whiggery and Presbyterian in Genevan Calvinism.
And if you know the story of Servetus, you know how the sad tale ends in every age and under every sun.
Equating mRNA vaccines with other vaccines may be the biggest genocide ever.
I wonder if the ICC will charge somebody with it?
Well, except that the AZ vaccine, which is not mRNA, seems to have had a more damaging impact than the mRNA vaccines.
I don’t mean the direct impact. I mean the loss in trust in the process.
That’s not the underlying assumption and it doesn’t fly in the face of the article’s premise. The underlying assumption of that passage is that different people have various different fears of vaccination that are often (though not necessarily always) irrational. Understanding an individuals precise fear is required to be able to address that fear, as opposed to just saying ‘trust the science’, which, as you’ve demonstrated, does not work.
The cherry-picking of reasons for people’s scepticism was, at best, incomplete and, at worst, disingenuous. You need to read between the lines and make inferences from what wasn’t said. The two examples given suggest that distrust in the authorities stemmed either from a lack of information or from making unjustified generalisations. But what about those who were highly informed, perhaps more so than their peers, who were able to challenge official claims using data that was available at the time and has since been verified as accurate? Were they simply in need of “a good talking to” as well?
Probably not, but I suspect they were very much a minority.
Very strange article. The limits of models to predict the future/people’s behaviour/peoples choices is limited by many things. We cannot even accurately predict the weather, let alone people’s thoughts and actions. Not everything obeys a pattern. We are not machines, even if the State should wish it so.
I thought that was the point of this essay. Not really “strange” at all.
I am a scientist of the old school. If I had discovered by experiment, that the moon was made from green cheese, another scientist would have rushed to repeat the experiment to prove that I was right or wrong. Today, that probably wouldn’t happen because I would have to show using statistical theory that I was correct. If the stats worked out, then I would be right.
But my paper, where I published my findings, would have to be reviewed before printing by someone who was statistically able to wade through my data, not necessarily someone who had studied green cheese. IMO, this makes scientists into mere statisticians and you could learn enough about stats in a two or three week course. So, peer review becomes checking the statistics instead of using knowledge and experience to say that my idea couldn’t be right – what I would call ‘common sense’ could be discarded and replaced by graphs, which ‘prove’ the point. (See countless articles by Theodore Dalrymple, where he demolishes the statistical approach because it is not relevant).
The author claims to be a medical mathematician, what is called an Epidemiologist, I think. These people took over during the lockdown. We were bombarded by graphs, rather than advised in a proper calm way. Graphs were rising exponentially, causing great panic. My family were going to Tescos and washing all of the packages they brought home – but close family still had a quick hug when they parted. A professor in New Zealand said that all public staircases needed to have copper handrails because the virus could not live on a copper surface. We even had scientists discussing the phenomenon of ‘excess deaths’, again with hundreds of graphs. Newspapers printed graphs, always rising, to show that we were doomed. The very people who should have used logic and common sense came armed with graphs.
Students of Sociology became Social Scientists when they discovered how to draw graphs. Medics became Epidemiologists. All of this saves time – saves a doctor from patiently explaining things, trying maybe to calm the poor patient, saves having to think things through. Find some data on the internet, draw a graph and publish – become famous. Easy, peasy.
Good job you’re not a scientist then.
I’m pretty sure scientists have used graphs forever.
Acting on the strength of your conviction is private judgement.
The 19th century biologist who first proposed that birds had evolved from dinosaurs acknowledged that his ability to have private judgement was a legacy of the Reformation.
The idea that slavery in the Confederate States, or the British Empire, the African kingdoms, or the Ottoman Empire, was ended through calm debates over logic and high tea in salons under the gaze of reproductions of Botticelli’s Venus is distinctly at odds with the realities of the politics and economics of those times and places.
The oddball sect of Quakers who started the demand to emancipate slaves didn’t draw upon logic. They were inspired to righteous fervour by the Holy Spirit and scripture.
In his address, Lincoln made his appeal by referring to scripture. ‘The blood drawn by the lash being repaid by blood drawn by the sword’ is Exodus: eye for an eye, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
Even abolition isn’t enough to end the matter, as the demands of the reparationists are about to launch another crusade in the UK and the Commonwealth.
But really, why do people play the National Lottery? Is it after understanding the complex mathematics of the odds involved in winning? Or is their decision finally made on the strength of the packaging of snowmen, Santa Claus, or a famous boardgame?
It shouldn’t take much time to understand why some doubted the vaccines when a Danish study into the effectiveness of masks had to be altered before publication and when, after alteration, it was never widely circulated.
Arguments are made from the top down because it is those at the top who start experiments in laboratories, lockdowns and wars.
I don’t know about you Brits but here in the US people play the Lottery because they surmise (correctly) that it’s their only chance of ever seeing any real money.
Throughout history humans have gambled. Our modern Lotteries are some of the least expensive ways to do that.
It has very little to do with the silly graphics.
(Of course, I could be wrong!)
I play the lottery myself despite being aware of the odds of success – not quite infinitesimal, but close enough that I know perfectly well I could play every week all my life and still have a near-zero chance of winning a significant sum of money.
There are three reasons this isn’t necessarily irrational:
1) Small wins are more likely and make a small but significant dent in the overall cost of playing.
2) The ability to daydream every so often about how a person would spend the money if they won is a pretty effective form of escapism that is worth paying for in itself.
3) Much of the money is spent charitably, so there is a moral good in spending the money that goes beyond a person’s own selfish desires.
What the author of the book (presumably) and the author of the article fail to consider is the absolute hubris of Kucharski and his ilk in thinking that those that disagree with him need sitting down and talking to to see things correctly, never that Kucharski himself could be wrong.
The damage that Kucharski and other sage modellers did to civilisation, economically, medically, and morally, is so massive as to be beyond calculation.
We have an unholy trifecta driving our society off a cliff: ‘experts’, media, and politicians.
The ‘experts’ make models riddled with their own biases and self interests, a captured media report their dubious theories as facts, and illiterate politicians enact laws and policies under pressure from those articles, while referring back to said experts and their predictions. We saw it laid bare with Covid and we’re seeing it too with Climate Change predictions that are off the wall.
Finally, it’s an absolute embarrassment for Unherd to have an article that claims we don’t know why planes fly, only that they do.
“Finally, it’s an absolute embarrassment for Unherd to have an article that claims we don’t know why planes fly, only that they do.”
In fairness to the author, while Bernoulli’s Principle provides a mostly adequate explanation for how airflow over a wing creates lift, there are still inconsistencies/gaps in a full theory of the phenomenon. I think, however, she could have chosen a more compelling example to illustrate her point.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/video/no-one-can-explain-why-planes-stay-in-the-air/
Politicians made the decisions wrt lockdowns etc. Not modellers.
In our* case the demented Cummings and the weakling Boris.
*UK.
Yes they can’t mathematically account for the Fact/Value distinction but it doesn’t stop them from trying to implement values as facts.
Why does Unherd publish a review of a book that has yet to be released – publication date March 20th? Puffery is normal but why should we accept anything that the article author has to say about something we cannot read or check?
One reason for my reservations is that neither the blurb for the book or the review author says anything about a Bayesian approach to proof which is the way in which many modern statisticians would think about the issues discussed here. Maybe it is discussed at length in the book, but the review author offers little that would give one much confidence in her understanding of the issues.
Neil Ferguson used mathematical modelling to conclude that without a society-wide lockdown hundreds of thousands would die of covid infections. What modelling did he use to conclude that it was safe for him and his married lover to break that lockdown for a weekend of shagging? And what modelling did he use to conclude that it was safe to send her back to her husband and children without posing any risk to them?
Neil Ferguson’s report suggested that Covid might kill 500,000 people if no mitigations were out in place. Migatins were put in place and we had over 200,000 deaths. That sounds pretty good to me.
The average age of a U.K. death DUE to Covid was 82.5!*
So a major panic by a lot of bed-wetter over NOTHING!
Frankly the whole great scam was a Natural Disgrace.
*ONS Figures.
Not if you are 88, as I am. It is surely not sensible to describe a virus that killed over 200,000 people as a scam, even if most of the dead were over 40.
82.5 is greater than U.K. life expectancy itself, yet from almost Day1 HMG, the NHS and the massed legions of the press were screaming,’this is the new Black Death’!
The only two ‘voices of reason’ to be heard above this hysterical clamour were those of Jonathan Sumption and Peter Hitchens.
I’m almost as old as you and was appalled by the national lack of moral fibre, and am very surprised you weren’t!
The thing is that an 88 year old is at the point where you could die from so many things. Most have serious health problems already. So you spin the wheel and you get flue, RSV pneumonia, COVID, Bacterial Pneumonia or almost any other such infection and die. Does it really equate to COVID as a great killer disease….Not in my opinion.
It is more than sensible for anyone up in age to be very careful about being infected by anything at all, almost anything can be a killer.
I am not 88 but I can see it from where I am….
I’m not sure exactly when it was decided that the life of an 80 yo is equivalent to that of an 8 yo, rather than the historic understanding that older people have had their lives when a younger person hasn’t, but it was well before the pandemic. Probably the pandemic just made it apparent.
Perhaps gerontocracy has triumphed?
Certainly feels like it.
Frankly I’m disgusted with my fellow travellers, their selfishness seems to know no bounds!
Have they all forgotten: “Moderation in all things”*
* Hesiod circa 750 BC to lapse into Christian chronology.
No – his predictions were used specifically to justify lockdown, not to justify interventions in principle.
And we now know two important facts with the benefit of hindsight, firstly that lockdown failed entirely to protect the most vulnerable ie elderly residents in care homes because they were still exposed to the 8million or so essential workers who weren’t locked down, and secondly that the infection rate had already started falling in March 2020 at the point where lockdown was announced: the prior interventions (social distancing, voluntary isolation and enhanced hygiene measures) combined with the growth of herd immunity had already had the infection suppression effect that was wrongly credited to lockdown.
But why was it OK for him to shag his mistress but not OK for me to shag mine? And what cunning expert mathematics did he use to reach that conclusion?
It wasn’t ok for him to shag his mistress – that was why he had to resign.
He’s still at Imperial College and the Jameel Institute. He did resign from SAGE although he didn’t have to. Even so he remained a member of the SAGE sub-committee NERVTAG and continued to contribute to the advisory committee SPI-M. This was kept quiet at the time. The usual ‘rule for thee but not for me.’ But the real killer, just as with Hancock and Johnson, is that while he was busy filling the general public with fear of imminent death he himself was not remotely scared.
It was ok for him to shag his mistress because he was lying about the ‘risks’ and he knew he was lying, and he was laughing at all the sad sheepy people hiding under their beds blubbering to themselves while he bonked himself brainless.
And it wasn’t ok for YOU because you are an oik and the rule is DO WHAT YOU ARE TOLD! Or Plod will be round to arrest and fine you.
You understand perfectly.
I don’t believe that we have much of an idea of how many people actually died of COVID. Here in the US no one seems to have died from anything else during that period. Perhaps it has to do with the fact that the Government was paying hospitals tens of thousands of dollars for COVID patients?
Or perhaps it was simply a coincidence that all other causes of death sank to new lows.
There are many cases where, for example a 78 year old patient who has been being treated for heart disease for a decade dies of heart failure after having Covid and the cause of death is listed as Covid instead of heart failure.
Remember that Neil Ferguson was the genius who advised the British government on how to handle the 2001 foot-and-mouth disease outbreak. That train wreck alone should have disqualified him from ever being consulted again.
At the time, he used a human venereal disease spread model as the basis for his advice. I kid you not.
For his equally idiotic “Covid” advice, Microsoft sent in a crack team of coders to try to get his algorithms into some semblance of coherence. They failed.
Yes, using his code the same data produced differing results each time it was run. His predictions were averages of random outcomes.
My sister had a small holding in Cumbria at the time. It was a living nightmare. 100s of thousands of animals slaughtered unnecessarily. When he popped up as an “expert” in 2020 advising the witless government we were completely aghast. Afraid it made us very distrustful from that moment on.
I don’t suppose he did use modelling for that. What’s your point?
That we don’t make decisions in the way the author suggests we do.
How ironic. Kucharski, (and the author of this essay) had an outstanding opportunity to analyze how scientists were so wrong about the covid injections. Instead the book and the essay’s author decided to write more patronizing blahblah.
Positive proof is only possible in a system defined by axioms – and axioms are by definition not amenable to proof or disproof. That is why you can formulate a positive proof within e.g. planear (Euclidian) geometry. But the proof already fails in spherical geometry.
As Popper has proven, outside of an axiomatic system, positive proof is not possible. Not just difficult, but not possible. The only proof possible is a negative proof, i.e. that a postulated causation is wrong. And it takes only one piece of evidence to disprove a hypothesis, never mind how great the weight of evidence in its favour.
‘As Popper has proven, outside of an axiomatic system, positive proof is not possible’
Presumably Popper was within an axiomatic system when he proved that then?
Indeed. He used logic.
The missing link lies in science’s definition as an approach to knowledge that distinguishes itself from other approaches to knowledge by committing itself to being open logical falsification. The rules to which science as a discipline subjects itself – and which distinguish science – do not permit a positive proof to be run.
There are other approaches to knowledge where positive proof is possible, e.g. faith.
I thought that Godel’s theorem re axioms showed that within an axiomatic system there will always be an inherent contradiction.
Popper did talk about the concept of falsification. It is a valid concept in science but not always observed. One death caused by the covid vaccine should have disproved the hypothesis that the vaccines were safe. I didn’t notice many scientists saying that.
One way round it is to frame your hypothesis in such a way as to make it impossible to falsify. In my view it then is simply belief rather than a scientific hypothesis. I do see a lot of that. I call it bad science – others call it The Science tm
Will anyone ever trust so called Scientists again after COVID? I very much doubt it.
‘We’ should have recalled what Winston Churchill said: “Scientists should be on TAP and not on TOP”.
That was the case though. I distinctly remember watching Boris state quite unequivocally that he was making the decisions. That the current generation of politicians are a bit pathetic and took the choices they did should not be considered the fault of scientists.
Neither the wretch Cummings or his puppet the deplorable Boris spoke with what we used to call “the voice of authority.”,
Thus we were SUNK on Day1 of that farrago!
One could not be a successful scientist without realizing that, in contrast
to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of
scientists, a goodly number of scientists are not only narrow-minded and
dull, but also just stupid.
— J. D. Watson _The Double Helix_
On the evolutionary scale, the most important factor for human survival is cooperative action around shared beliefs. The content of those beliefs is certainly important, and human beliefs have evolved toward a better understanding of the physical world we inhabit. But even with our current awareness of an external empirical reality, the primal human behavior remains seeking security in coalitions. The shared beliefs are secondary.
Kucharski describes his book as “… digging into the ideas we can use to weigh evidence and converge on truth under pressure.” This suggests that this book will be another contribution to the genre of ‘critical thinking.’ It should be very well received by the intellectual class that thinks teaching critical thinking skills is the key to social progress.
Some of you might want to take the time to actually read this article properly instead of skimming the first few lines, dismissing it outright because one or two phrases offend your strongly-held convictions, and missing the bigger picture.
UnHerd attracts people who question mainstream narratives, which is a good thing, but, as the article suggests, there’s a difference between healthy scepticism and automatically rejecting everything. I worry that a lot of the discussion on this site increasingly leans more toward contrarianism for its own sake rather than genuine free thinking and assessment of the argument. You’re still a herd; just of a different kind.
Music to my ears.
I’m sometimes guilty of going overboard in my criticisms of comments (and occasionally articles) due to a predisposition against negativity, but i recognise this. I’d implore those with a free thinking disposition to add to debates since it’s the only way to maintain a level of discourse against those with specific, and reductive, agendas.
The conclusion misses a point that’s usefully explained by reference to the joke about 4×4 vehicles: the better your 4 wheel drive, the further from home you get stuck.
This is relevant in this sense: science and reason are expanding the spheres of human knowledge all the time and turning arguments that used to be settled through religion, politics and social convention into arguments that can be settled on the basis of objective testing of evidence. It means that although there will presumably always be areas of knowledge that are beyond the sphere of human objective reason, the value delivered by progress is so great that it is always worth going further.
The fact that we might never achieve perfect knowledge is not a reason to give up on progress, and the fact that an attempt to resolve a conundrum via the scientific method might eventually run aground in the swamp at the edge of our capacity to reason, much like the aforementioned 4×4, is no reason not to make the attempt.
“We board aeroplanes without worrying that mathematicians still can’t explain exactly how the flow of air over the wings keeps them aloft. At some point, we just accept the evidence of results — without understanding causes.”
I’m reminded here of David Deutsch’s interesting comparison between the role and purpose of inductive reasoning vs explanatory reasoning. Inductive reasoning, though typically valid, often doesn’t possess much if any explanatory knowledge, but whether that’s a problem or not depends very much on why you’re curious to begin with. Aircraft engineers don’t need to win Nobel Prizes for cracking the mystery of aerofoil lift: they’re trying to design a better aircraft and they possess a set of heuristics that enable them to do this. What’s useful for a specific purpose matters.
Explanatory knowledge, conversely, is of immense importance if you are interested in what laws of nature underpin an observation, and it is this type of reasoning that drives the quest for human knowledge more effectively and keeps the frontier of human knowledge expanding.
To a great extent we choose what we believe according to how much to our personal advantage it is. Rare is the man or woman who takes,to use one example,the words of Jesus literally and seeks our martyrdom or a life of extreme ascetism. And back in the long ago days I feel that many who did the latter had the unacknowledged draw of High Status compelling them more than Love. No one wants to admit they have chosen or stayed with the Faith they espouse for reasons other than spiritual but as we are physical beings too I don’t think God minds. He gave us brains to use. The fact is Atheism plays right into the hands of,if such exist,powerful political people who want to exert control over the populace. If there is nothing above The World and they are BOSSES OF THE WORLD then by their logic they are Boss of You. An expressed belief in a God above them tells them you dont recognize or capitulate to their authority – and it could even get you martyred.
Sorry jane, but that’s psychological claptrap.
Hoping there’s a “God above them” is a prime example of human frailty in the face of the universe, and hoping there’s something there to put the world ‘to rights’. It’s the fountain of all religion, and it’s untruth. If people wish – or need – to live by untruth, we’re all the poorer for it, since it delays the day when we can truly understand ourselves as human beings.
I’m pretty sure her definition of human being is different then yours.
Truth is what the most powerful say that it is. There is no immutable truth, only theories and beliefs. the only thing that you are telling me is that you are one of those who believe your theories and and beliefs more worthy than others.
Prove that there is no God. Remember that evidence of absence and absence of evidence are similar but distinct concepts.
You can’t prove a negative. Try proving that the Easter Bunny doesn’t exist.
There’s a false dichotomy here. The options aren’t ‘conviction or scepticism’ but informed judgement, on the balance of evidence while always leaving mental space to recognise that all truths are ‘provisional’ – pending more, different, better etc evidence for and against – and ‘conditional’ – what the ‘truth’ relates to and the purpose it serves. I am for all practical purposes an atheist, but leave a tiny, zero point lots of noughts one, (the more specific the claimed god, the more noughts) possibility that some evidence of a religious god might be produced. The vaccine argument is a more difficult one, in that the government, after Wakefield and the MMR debacle, had to take a strong line, whatever the line was. It is arguable that the antivaxxers did more damage in helping destroy public confidence in government health policies, than letting the policy line take effect, then examining the evidence, and adjusting the handling of future pandemics, in the light of it.
They did not have to take such a strong line (or more properly, an Authoritarian and Dictatorial line)
From time to time pandemics have beset we humans. The outcome is never, ever good. The Spanish flu epidemic killed enough young men that they had to cancel WWI.
But the current crop of idiot power brokers and politicians that believe that they have some exceptional insight that would allow them to dictate to the rest of us how to deal with this pandemics, took the controls and used the power of the Government to bully the rest of us to their will.
Bottom line is that they bought the pandemic AND its results with their own hubris. Even if the results of them adopting a hands off approach was bad, (of course it was and would have bad results…it was a pandemic and that is always bad.) It would have been the fault of the disease. But they forced themselves on us and they own the blame for what did happen as it was their actions that influenced the results however they might have in the end done.
In the US we had Fauci, who is little but a weasel. He was in on the bottom floor of developing the COVID bug at the Wuhan Lab, and in fact when told to shut down the project, simply found some way to keep the money flowing to the project anyway on the down low and illegally. He should be in prison, but instead he was put up as the kindly doctor who was going to show us how to save ourselves. Why should we trust any of them again?
A science is said to be useful of its development tends to accentuate
the existing inequalities in the distribution of wealth, or more directly
promotes the destruction of human life.
Hardy, Godfrey H. (1877 -1947) In: A Mathematician’s Apology, London, Cambridge University Press, 1941.
This article mentioned statstical significance, so I’m going to rant about junk science.
Quite commonly in social sciences, a refereed journal publishes an article with conclusions that contradict the evidence reported. One or more authors will claim that a difference or correlation in their evidence is significant because it is not an accident of sampling. However, the difference or correlation observed is so small that it refutes the theory in question.
In some of these cases, the study is not based on a sample but instead is based on a universe of all known specimens, so a measure of sampling error is inappropriate.
The incompetence involves the authors, reviewers, and editors, and the research reports I describe are pseudo-science.
“The only possible conclusion the social sciences can draw is: some do,
some don’t.”
— Ernest Rutherford, New Zealand physicist (1871-1937)
The number one problem with “scientists” of any stripe is a lack of humility, instantiated by Fauci’s absurd statement, “I am science.” Remember that the “God complex” is most often associated with physicians. (Don’t forget the “noble lie” about the efficacy of masks.) The innumerable variables of reality should be sufficient to ensure humility, but unfortunately, they are not. Instead, we are faced with incessant propaganda, “Follow the science.” Trust will not be restored until scientists and their popularizers admit their own actual ignorance.
(Incidentally, scientists are motivated by the same things everyone else is such as money, prestige, security, etc. They are not by virtue of being scientists paragons of virtue.)