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Terror is exposing France’s failed state The values that built la République are crumbling

'He's always had trouble coming out clearly on Islamism and immigration.' (MOHAMMED ABED/AFP via Getty Images)

'He's always had trouble coming out clearly on Islamism and immigration.' (MOHAMMED ABED/AFP via Getty Images)


October 20, 2023   8 mins

It is characteristic of France’s self-absorption that what started as a national sense of outrage at the latest Islamist killing on our soil soon evolved into a bitter scuffle between present and past tough-talking Home Secretaries. Last Friday, Dominique Bernard, a 57-year-old French literature teacher at a state Lycée in Arras, was stabbed to death by a 20-year-old Chechen former pupil, Mohammed Mogouchkov, shouting “Allahu Akbar” as Bernard tried to prevent him from entering the school’s main building. Three years almost to the day, it felt like a terrible repetition of the killing and beheading of another teacher, Samuel Paty, in a west Paris suburb.

That had shocked the country to its core — long known as the Republic’s Hussars, teachers had been explicitly tasked to foster Republican values with the advent of universal public education. Bureaucratic spinelessness and police inefficiency ensured not much has been achieved since, a fact papered over by grandiose talk about “our values”.

Then, as now, the Ministre de l’Intérieur was Gérald Darmanin, who for the last week has been engaged in a slanging match with one of his predecessors, the Socialist Manuel Valls, each accusing the other of weakness in front of the Islamist threat. Both come from immigrant families and both are a strikingly similar type, performative hard men who vow they will protect the country. Each has been trying to outdo, or rather out-talk, the other on law and order, especially terrorism and immigration — and both are failing.

Darmanin, once a Sarkozy boy who during the 2017 presidential campaign tore into Emmanuel Macron as a “bobo-populist” and “sheer poison”, nevertheless agitated for a job in his cabinet, which he got as Minister for State Finances. In the second Macron term, he got his dream promotion to Interior, and began a well-publicised anti-terrorism drive. He closed militant mosques, announced the expulsion from France of 231 “radicalised foreigners singled out by the security services”, and in general broadcast an image of proper police work. How effective that was is unclear (by the end of 2020, only 48 of those on his list had actually left France).

For instance Paty’s killer, Abdoullakh Anzorov, whose sister had joined Isis in Syria, was enjoying refugee status and a 10-year residency permit in France when he slaughtered the teacher, who’d been pointed out to him by his own pupils. Anzorov and his family, who hold Russian passports, had been denied asylum twice since 2008, and were almost expelled from France in 2014. But when they refused to board a plane, a number of NGOs and the French Communist Party raised enough of a political outcry over the family’s apparent “good integration” into French society that the then-Interior Minister Valls countermanded the expulsion order. It’s an error that his successor Darmanin has been at some pains to recall in their recent exchanges.

Darmanin’s presidential ambitions are so blatant that he’s usually described as having “des dents qui rayent le parquet” (“teeth so long they scratch the floor”). This, unsurprisingly, displeases Macron, and explains why he has foregrounded his new Education Minister, Gabriel Attal. He’s an old associate of the President and the ideal son-in-law — so much so that his colleagues style him as having “des dents si longues qu’elles rayent le parquet de l’appartement du dessous” (“teeth so long they scratch the floor of the flat below”). Since Bernard’s murder, most concrete announcements on law and order have been made by Attal, who has requested security in each school and announced that 1,000 supervisors would be posted at college entrances.

But, like the police, schoolmasters and supervisors have seen their numbers plummet in recent years, and for the same reasons: growing insecurity due to a fractious “sensitive” population, and bad pay. Attal hasn’t said where he would find new troops. What amounts to political manoeuvring therefore comes across as nothing more than inglorious and petty. But it is also reassuringly familiar, as is the state incompetence it reflects. For at least three decades, the French have been complaining of what they see as the dereliction of the once-super-efficient French bureaucracy: in public services, unkept promises, and a shrinking of our self-image as reflected by the diminishing French footprint in world affairs. The violence in Israel last week was, though more horrific, as much a reminder of our problems as a distraction.

Antisemitism itself has already been re-imported into France by radical Islam, but for years it was difficult even to name it: it did not belong to the Républicain national narrative. The national integrationist, secularist, and colour-blind model — long successful, now under attack simultaneously from progressive identitarians and violent religious fanaticism — could not have failed. Those who denounced the inroads of Islamists in schools were dismissed as extremists. As early as 2002, authors such as George Bensoussan, Barbara Lefebvre, Emmanuel Brenner and later Paul-François Paoli documented the inroads made into the French school system by intolerant extremists — building on a damning 2004 report commissioned by the Education Ministry — which was never followed by any kind of effective action.

Last Friday, as Bernard tried to stop Mogouchkov, the killer shouted: “Are you a history teacher?” Throughout the country, it’s history classes that are most disrupted, often violently, as pupils deny the lessons of their teachers and their textbooks, usually but not exclusively on the history of the Holocaust. Increasingly, some teachers skip those lessons, feeling they’re getting no support from school or education authorities. Instead, they’re likely to get bad professional ratings from school inspectors who tell them they’re “not able to control the students”. Recent polls show that 80% of French teachers have been at one time or another “scared” by their disruptive, sometimes threatening pupils.

Yet while the French have protested their unity ever since the country started being targeted, there has also been a great deal of self-censorship from the top down. In the days of the Isis crimes, even naming Islamism was criticised as “stigmatisation” and, of course, “Islamophobia”. One million of us took to the streets of Paris after the Charlie Hebdo murders and there have been countless “white marches” to leave white roses and offerings at the sites of successive tragedies: for instance, at the Bataclan theatre where 160 young concertgoers were mown down by Islamist terrorists, just like the desert-ravers in the Negev last week.

In fact, when the worst of the Hamas attacks become known last week, French Jews were shocked but unsurprised. The killing of Jewish children, torture of young people, and beating to death of old ladies had all happened here. They recall the kidnapping, weeks-long torture and murder of a young estate agent, Ilan Halimi in 2006; the shooting of Jewish children in a Toulouse Jewish school in 2012; the murders of two elderly Jewish women, Sarah Halimi in 2017, and Mireille Knoll in 2018, by Muslim neighbours.

Yet in accordance with the well-meaning Républicain narrative, countless threats against Jewish buildings and Jews in the streets were for years discounted by police and judges as the acts of “unbalanced lone wolves”. It took the Charlie Hebdo and Hypercasher murders of 2015 for officials to acknowledge the resurgence of antisemitism in France; and many felt it was done grudgingly. Yet the perpetrators were all radicalised Muslims. The pogrom had happened gradually, then suddenly — and massively.

While one portion of the population grieved, there was never a shortage of useful idiots to excuse each successive rampage. The latest have been drawn from the Left-wing Mélenchonista MPs who, regarding the Hamas attacks, will not let the “T” word sully their lips: Danièle Obono (“Hamas is a Résistance movement, not a terrorist one”); Mathilde Panot (“Hamas is the armed branch of the Gaza Palestinian movement”); and of course Mélenchon himself. So far, so Owen Jones. They are wilfully blind to the fact that France has been especially targeted by Islamists for her secular tradition, which their supporters (and Muslim brotherhood community organisers in the banlieues) relentlessly attack.

For years, the foundational French principle of Laïcité has been intentionally misrepresented. All it means is that the Republic guarantees the neutrality of the public space. Any believers are free to practice their religion as a private affair as long as they respect the law (polygamy, for instance, is forbidden); none are entitled to request a change in state services or in public behaviour. Activist policy, however, is to seize on Laïcité whenever they make their regular accusations of Islamophobia — from attacking anti-headscarf laws in schools to taking up, as a cause célèbrethe death of an asthmatic drug dealer known for having raped a cellmate in prison. (His case is used as proof that the French police routinely kill people, despite the fact that there were 39 “deaths related to any police intervention” in France last year, compared to 1,097 shooting deaths by the police in the US). The bitter irony of such double standards may one day help us French feel a bit more for Israel, a nation regularly held to higher standards than its attackers.

Instead, all that remains is that the broken promise that radical Islam would be stopped — repeated by Emmanuel Macron in Arras last Friday ­— and the knowledge across France that nothing has been done. From car torching to drug dealing in the streets, to open support for terrorists in the banlieues, the police are a study in flailing helplessness. No wonder its successive ministers are finding it harder to build popularity.

In the face of this inaction, 70,000 French Jews have left France for good in the past 20 years. Among the more privileged of French citizens, those who live in the centre of big cities, there is no common resolve, or capacity to fight back together: the political analyst Jérôme Fourquet, in his essay “L’Archipel français, describes the mixture of officious self-flagellation, Leftist pieties and atomised, pick-your-own social pact that constitutes this archipelago of French society. Of course, Michel Houellebecq had seen it long before him. Almost nothing binds us any longer. And the young, nearly unknown mandarin first elected president in 2017 to bridge the nation’s division seems to have exacerbated them instead, through his combination of political inexperience and narcissistic hubris.

Last Friday afternoon, hours after Dominique Bernard’s assassination, with the bloodstains still visible on the steps of the school, Emmanuel Macron showed up at Lycée Gambetta in Arras. Alongside Darmanin and a small group of elected officials, he came to speak with the school’s principal, other teachers and local parents. The local MP, Sebastien Chenu, also the Rassemblement National Vice-President of the House, thanked him for visiting his constituents so promptly, then gave voice to the feelings of many of those around him. “I have to say, Monsieur le Président, that the French people expect strong action. Words cannot stop terrorism.”

Witnesses were flabbergasted to see Macron utterly lose his rag. “Show some decency! Mind your own business! This is neither the time nor the place!” Members of the delegation said afterwards they’d never see the president so angry. “I felt I had to say this,” Chenu later said. “I simply encouraged him to act. I wasn’t lecturing him. He didn’t take it well. His reaction was disturbing: he seemed offended because he felt he didn’t have the upper hand, because I was pressing him… He’s always had trouble coming out clearly on Islamism and immigration.”

The scene was described in Le Point: Macron’s people no doubt felt it was damaging enough to leak a counter-narrative that appeared this week in Le Canard Enchaîné, France’s answer to Private Eye. A short item claims Macron had been angered by Chenu allegedly saying “We wouldn’t be in such a situation with Marine [Le Pen as President]”. Except that no witness to the scene heard the phrase, unlike the one quoted by Mathilde Siraud, the Le Point reporter. (Chenu has written to Le Canard to deny it and request a rectification.)

Hastily cooking up an easily disproven lie is not the best of ideas for a president already accused of talking tough but not achieving much. There is a feeling of febrile amateurism in the second Macron presidency. Just as he deluded himself that regular telephone calls to Vladimir Putin would bring a halt to the war in Ukraine, le Président last Sunday called his Iranian counterpart, Ebrahim Raisi, to call for “restraint in the region”. He seems to have drawn no lesson from their previous such conversation last June, when he asked, fruitlessly, for Iran to stop drone deliveries to Russia. The French, looking uncomprehendingly at Macron’s performance at home and abroad are unlikely to feel reassured — or indeed, governed.


Anne-Elisabeth Moutet is a Paris-based journalist and political commentator.

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David McKee
David McKee
1 year ago

Talk tough, and do nothing… it’s the complete inversion of Theodore Roosevelt’s advice to talk softly and carry a big stick. Oh, my apologies – Maron did do something. He apologised for colonising Algeria. And much good did it do him or France.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
Reply to  David McKee

Do you mean MACRON or MORON?

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago

I think either would be equally appropriate.

Mike Downing
Mike Downing
1 year ago

Great article showing the self-same problems that I imagine are bubbling up in virtually every W European nation.

I remember watching a TV program in my youth about the use of gastarbeiter (temporary foreign workers) in the German car industry in 1980. They were all imported from Turkey and were expected to live in Portakabins, never interact with the locals and just go home after a few years with a lot of money. And even then, the commentator was asking whether that was really how things would pan out.

Helmut Kohl was very busy at the same time making sure Turkey never joined the EU as it was a Muslim country. How muddle-headed can you get ?

Now there’s 4 million Turks in Germany I think. But at least then they were actually coming to work and had jobs to come to.

We likewise have relied on a never-ending supply of cheap labour while more and more of our own opt out of work altogether. Things have just gone downhill from there until we’ve ended up with completely ghettoised communities of all sorts with no real links to each other or any interest in any kind of assimilation into the original host population.

Talking about one’s Anglo-Saxon roots nowadays seems rather quaint, even prehistoric, not to mention racist or exclusionist of course.

Are we really witnessing the slow collapse of Western Culture or will something we can’t yet see come and save the situation?

Lone Wulf
Lone Wulf
1 year ago
Reply to  Mike Downing

Nearly 1.3 million Turks but more than 5.5 million muslims.

Mike Downing
Mike Downing
1 year ago
Reply to  Lone Wulf

Cheers.

Martin Butler
Martin Butler
1 year ago
Reply to  Mike Downing

Do you believe in the free market? What I find odd is those who are ‘anti -immigrant’ in one breath are often free market fundamentalists in the next. The two are diametrically opposed.

Andrew R
Andrew R
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Butler

And visa versa with the Left

Lone Wulf
Lone Wulf
1 year ago

The République has evolved from and in a christian environment of values. Islam is completely incompatible with laïcité. Insisting on the contrary is political blindness or stupid naivity.

Yoram Mimoun
Yoram Mimoun
1 year ago
Reply to  Lone Wulf

In reality, Islam is incompatible with laicity as any other religion is, historically the Republic has been founded on the blood of the Church. The real shift is not between religions (Christianity-Islam) but between a secular state of mind that was common in France thanks to the Enlightenment and a religious way of life courant among Muslim migrants.

Lone Wulf
Lone Wulf
1 year ago
Reply to  Yoram Mimoun

Alright then give to the Republic what belongs to the Republic, and to Islam what belongs to Islam!

Juan Manuel Pérez Porrúa
Juan Manuel Pérez Porrúa
1 year ago
Reply to  Lone Wulf

The “République” systematically dispossessed the Church, persecuted (and even put to death) thousands of both the clergy and the laity, arbitrarily dissolved religious orders, at times prohibited the public profession and practice of the faith in France, prohibited teaching the faith to children, and executed the Rex Christianissimus. The “République” destroyed Christianity in France, not without destroying countless individual Catholics along with it. It replaced it with a neopagan worship of the State, the civil religion of the murderous République itself. Not that such tendencies were not there before, with the absolutism of the (initially Protestant) Bourbon dynasty, whose statism already before the Revolution, dictated the persecution of the Society of Jesus. France is long gone, I’m afraid. There is nothing left to mourn there.

Elizabeth Hamilton
Elizabeth Hamilton
1 year ago

That is true Juan Manuel but the Enlightenment, the Révolution, laïcité and the République are nonetheless inspired by Christian values. And so is wokism with it’s emphasis on victims and suffering (our God is on the cross).

Juan Manuel Pérez Porrúa
Juan Manuel Pérez Porrúa
1 year ago

I cannot agree.
Mostly because, in order to be able to credibly blame Christianity (specifically, the Catholic Church) for the Enlightenment, the French Revolution (and the revolutions inspired by it around the world that tried to imitate it in the 19th century), and the French Republic(s), one would have to accept incorrect interpretations and distortions of Christianity which (some of the “Philosophâtres” and revolutionaries themselves held. And all the while doing what they did with respect to the Church and to Catholicism. Interpretations and distortions which the Church itself rejected at the time and has continued to reject ever since.
I understand that there is a line of moderate liberalism that prefers to make that same claim, enabling it to tolerate Catholicism to a large extant, but such claims should be taken for what they are, polite fictions, pious myths (or impious myths, I suppose), or social conventions that allow the coexistencd of liberalism and Christianity and make social peace in liberal societies with large numbers of Catholics.
And there are also ideologies, mostly nationalistic ideologies, that would prefer to take the credit for their nation (usually incorporated as part of the mythology of the neopagan civil religion of the nation in question, such as France or Spain) of the achievements (such as they were) of pre-revolutionary, Christian Europe (the Europe, the France destroyed by modern political ideologies and systems so brutally effectively). Claim the credit for social systems (the so-called “Ancien Régime”) it is (or should be) obvious are utterly incompatible with the ideologies espoused. This kind of even basic intellectual dishonesty is (or should be) unacceptable even to non-Catholics, and indeed for the exponents of these ideologies themselves.

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Christopher Barclay
Christopher Barclay
1 year ago

The inertia of the political class is replicated on this side of the Channel. The difference being that the British equivalents of the Melechonistas will soon be in power, even if under a leader – for now – who is not to their liking.

Rob N
Rob N
1 year ago

There is only 1 real solution – the mass expulsion of the non native citizen sections of society. But that is something none of the West’s weak (politically and individually) politicians will do. Easier for them to just let their countries implode and say it wasn’t their fault.

Katalin Kish
Katalin Kish
1 year ago

“Mind your own business!” – seriously? Isn’t terrorism everyone’s business? I wouldn’t be fighting organised crime in Australia either via making posts and comments on every possible platform if Australia had functional law-enforcement. Silence is consent.

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
1 year ago

The Islamists are killing the globalist dream. That’s why the globalists in the French (and British) establishment are so keen to tell us ‘nothing to see here’ after one of the worst atrocities of modern history.

alan bennett
alan bennett
1 year ago

Macron is not the only useless leader, is there one anywhere in Western Europe that has the real citizens interests at heart.

Ray Andrews
Ray Andrews
1 year ago

Anyone not labeled an Islamophobe by the left is in fact suicidal.

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago

Globalism is failing under strain for a number of reasons. The ‘End of History’ narrative is falling apart and anyone still clinging to the crumbling wreckage is bound to be a bit frazzled at this point. Even the staunchest true believers have to be riddled with doubt by now. I honestly wonder whether Macron is lying or if he actually did hear the comment about how they wouldn’t be in this situation with Le Pen as president, despite nothing of the sort actually being said by anyone present. It’s quite possible for a stressed mind to contort one statement into something completely different, maybe whatever phantom was haunting his subconscious mind at the time. Like a Freudian slip, maybe Macron has inadvertently revealed his actual fear that voters will draw the same conclusion

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Simon Neale
Simon Neale
1 year ago

A failed state, you say? Goodness, I pity any countries involved in a protectionist customs union and hyperstate-building adventure with it, then.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  Simon Neale

Ha, yeah!

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
Reply to  Simon Neale

I have just returned from a three week French odyssey and can report that it seems to be in perfect working order.

The horror of their gross over reaction to Covid is now forgotten and the recent catastrophic defeat in the Rugby shrugged off. I am sure that Gallic pragmatism will soon ‘sort out’ Islam one way or the other.Vive la France!

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago

I take it you didn’t hear many Sirens then?

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

Gers is a long way from Arras!

Yoram Mimoun
Yoram Mimoun
1 year ago

The big problem is that little by little French peoples begin to understand the catastrophic situation in which they are and the reaction of the crowds to such a defeat of the elites never ends in a smooth and seamless transition from one way of governing to another, but rather in a manifestation of anger which is totally unforecastable and generally dangerous. The will of politicians to stem a legitim global critic the dominating ideology strengthen it in a way that make it unmanageable. In France, in the will to fight alt-right, centrists have forgotten that Nazism has blossomed because countries silenced the idea that Germany has not been treated properly after WW1 and by not treating these arguments rationally, they explode to the face of the world. I fear that is what is going on in Europe in an analogous way although the illegitimate repression is not toward a country but a way of seeing the world.

Peter Mott
Peter Mott
1 year ago

It can migrate to UK. France’s colonial connection to North Africa produces more militants than ours to India/Pakistan. But the process is the same and our institutions are no fitter to resist than the France’s as far as I can tell. Perhaps I should say it is migrating to UK.

Noah Ebtihej Sdiri
Noah Ebtihej Sdiri
1 year ago

France is a failed nation with a State. Somalia is a nation with a failed State.

J. Hale
J. Hale
1 year ago

The only reason France might become a “failed state” is because they naively allowed immigrants to come to France from their former colonies, such as Algeria. Common sense suggests that if the Arabs kick you out of their country, then you’d be an idiot to let them come to your country.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago

Perhaps the French will have to return to the tactics of 1961?

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Peta Seel
Peta Seel
1 year ago

Superb article, thank you.

Rob Britton
Rob Britton
1 year ago

Seems like France is not that much different from Britain in the direction the country is taking.

Martin Johnson
Martin Johnson
1 year ago

Macron is a tool of the oligarchs who also run the WEF. Just look at the WEF website for all you need to know about him.

John Riordan
John Riordan
1 year ago

I’m no fan of Emmanuel Macron but it is worth pointing out that the neuralgic problem of Islamist activism in the West is a problem that no politician has managed to deal with effectively while still protecting the cherished principle of individual liberty.

And this is, of course, exactly the gauntlet that has been thrown down by political Islam: our tolerance is to be deliberately pushed past the point where we are expected to tolerate the intolerable.

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Mike K
Mike K
1 year ago

Un paye de merde

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
1 year ago

Always amusing to see this writer’s cut-and-paste predictions of catastrophe for France. Maybe one day the publications who print this drivel will realize that she hasn’t the faintest idea of which she speaks.
Funny for me though! Vive la France!

Martin Butler
Martin Butler
1 year ago

Interesting that the dogmatic universalism in France seems to have bred a more extreme islamism. In effective this has meant ignoring the problem. The UK doesn’t have the same problems because we have confronted the problem, and although not perfect by a long way, most immigrant populations in the UK do have a stronger sense that they are part of Britain and by and large feel at home here. Far less alienation.

Rob N
Rob N
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Butler

As you say the UK is in a much better position. Only 20% of our Moslems have sympathy for ISIS and only 4% would actively support ISIS.

Great position to be in.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
Reply to  Rob N

Numerically how many is that 4% you speak of?
How many forthcoming ‘outrages’ will that translate into over the next few years ?

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Martin Butler
Martin Butler
1 year ago
Reply to  Rob N

Sources for those stats?

hayden eastwood
hayden eastwood
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Butler

Since you ask, Martin, I was just reading the below the other day:
https://www.icmunlimited.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Policy-Exchange-ICM-Muslims-Survey-web.pdf?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

Core findings include:
– Only 53% of British Muslims want ‘to fully integrate with non-Muslims in all aspects of life’. That means more than 2 million muslims do not want to fully integrate with their surrounding culture.
— 37% would like to integrate on some things but favour separation from the non-Muslim majority in schooling and law.
— 7% ( 266,000) admit to wanting ‘a separate Islamic life as far as possible’, or ‘a fully separate Islamic area in Britain subject to Sharia Law and government’. 
— 7% support the aim of ISIS in setting up a caliphate. A quarter of a million people who would be arguably recruitable to an extreme group.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago

So that 7% who loathe us, ironically represent a city the size ROCHDALE.

Anthony Rice
Anthony Rice
1 year ago
Reply to  Rob N

Does that not mean 120,000 in UK support ISIS, not good news.

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
1 year ago
Reply to  Rob N

And there are only 8000 known terrorist sympathisers on the watch list …

Martin Butler
Martin Butler
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Butler

Not sure what all the down ticks are for. Is it that what I say is not true? Thought it was a positive point. We are a relatively successful multi-cultural society. Some might wish we were white homogeneous and Christian but we’re not. And there is for the simple reason for this. We have a history that involved running countries all over the world. Daren’t say colonialism here!

hayden eastwood
hayden eastwood
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Butler

Pay no attention to them Martin, some people on this forum are a little rude and don’t like to hear alternative thoughts. Keep up the comments, I appreciate them even if I don’t always agree with them.

Anthony Rice
Anthony Rice
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Butler

We are NOT a successful multi-cultural, society, NO society can be multi-cultural but multi- fragmented. Most of those not of indigenous white European back ground do NOT integrate nor intend to do so. Desecrate our Cenotaph, they ain’t for us but a trojan horse in our midst. Future major trouble makers.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
Reply to  Anthony Rice

Seconded.

Katja Sipple
Katja Sipple
1 year ago
Reply to  Anthony Rice

Anthony, I agree with you, and the developments I have been observing for 20+ years now, are very troubling indeed.

Carl Valentine
Carl Valentine
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Butler

I thought your point was fair.

Katja Sipple
Katja Sipple
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Butler

I appreciate your comment, and, of course, I defend your right to write/state/say whatever you want, but I disagree with the premise that we are a successful multi-cultural society. I suspect that the people who downvoted your comment share my viewpoint, but may have not wanted to take the time to respond. We have an increasing number of cities, towns, and boroughs where Western values are no longer lived; places where many of our laws only exist on paper, but have no impact on the people who reside there.
They do not support the equality of men and women; they don’t believe in the rights of the individual, but instead favour collectivism; and they dismiss religious freedom, and actively persecute members of their own community who do not want to abide by their rules. Honour killings are an extreme form of that, but I am personally familiar with a case where a young woman was disowned, threatened, verbally and physically abused by her family, because she no longer wanted to wear religious garb and desires to live her life outside the limitations and restrictions imposed by her community.
It’s still possible to do that, and to permanently escape the confines and influence of these enclaves, but it is becoming more difficult as their reach broadens. I find that very troubling, and in my view it’s definitely not a sign of successful integration.

hayden eastwood
hayden eastwood
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Butler

We may have less problems for many reasons, many of which we don’t fully understand.
But the universal assumption among the left-leaning apparatchiks that run these countries is that the fault is always with the host country for “being horrid” to newcomers.
The rationale is that once we simply accommodate their needs and give them more welfare and more opportunities and “make them feel more welcome” then they’ll all become doctors and engineers and productive members of society.
The organ harvesters and child traffickers have just had their feelings hurt. Once we organise enough gender non-binary poetry slams for them they’ll become invaluable players in the Human Resources departments of large multinational companies, working tirelessly to remove the stigma associated with organ harvesting so that more HR jobs can be created.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Butler

Aren’t you forgetting the French had a merciless ‘little’ war in Algeria between 1954*-62?
By comparison our ‘little’ war in Ireland 1969-1997, pales into insignificance.
However, even here in our benighted island, there was considerable anti-Irish feeling resulting in at least two spectacular ‘miscarriages of justice’, and even the late Lord Denning thought we should ‘have hanged the Guildford Four’ without more ado!

(* Corrected thanks to Ms Isabelle Dubois.)

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Isabelle Dubois
Isabelle Dubois
1 year ago

Just for the sake of accuracy: the war in Algeria actually started in 1954. Merciless is the word. Atrocities were committed on both sides. It was also called the “Troubles” at the time, like in Northern Ireland.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago

Yes 1954, the year the Western Region reintroduced ‘The Bristolian’, and Dien Bien Phu, how silly of me, I thank you.

I find that Irish euphemism ‘The Troubles’ to be absolutely absurd. It was a very nasty little war, that had its share of atrocities, and is still NOT quite over.

However one very unusual aspect of it was that a fairly random bunch of ‘Council House killers’ other known the IRA did twice try to emulate the fabled ASSASSINS of the 11th century AD, even if unknowingly.

Their attack on the Grand Hotel in Brighton very nearly decapitated the British State, and must rank as one the most spectacular ‘bomb plots’ of the century, rivalling that of July 1944, against Adolph.
The subsequent use of a mortar against No 10 Downing St during nice Mr Major’s residence was somewhat similar.

The Assassins would have been proud.

Last edited 1 year ago by Charles Stanhope
Kayla Marx
Kayla Marx
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Butler

The UK has not confronted the problem. Mass migration continues, and it seems no one can stop it. A good portion, if not most, of this migration is Muslim.