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Is Donald Trump a werewolf? A silver bullet won't solve the problem

Werewolf spawn? Win McNamee/Getty Images


May 13, 2023   8 mins

Is Donald Trump part werewolf? Perhaps so, according to a remarkable little paper published in 2017, “Donald Trump, Werewolf Spawn?”, by Kevin D. Pittle and Nicholas A. Hopkins. The authors speculate, on the basis of inconclusive but interesting evidence, that Trump may be descended from Peter Stumpf, one of the most famous victims of Europe’s 16th-century werewolf trials.

Connoisseurs of werewolf lore will doubtless remember that Stumpf, also known as Peter Stubbe, was tortured on the rack until he confessed to murder, cannibalism, rape, incest, bestiality, and pretty much every other crime the local inquisitors could think of. He was then broken on the wheel, beheaded, and burnt at the stake in Cologne on 31 October 1589. His daughter and a woman named Katharina Trump, both of whom were accused of having affairs with him, were also burnt at the same time. The latter, Pittle and Hopkins note, may well have been the same Katharina Trump who features in the family tree of Donald Trump. If this is true — and again, this is a speculative hypothesis — Donald Trump is descended from a werewolf’s love child.

By now, those readers who don’t happen to be connoisseurs of werewolf lore may be scratching their heads, so let me explain. Yes, there were werewolf trials in 16th-century Europe — quite a few of them, in fact, and more in the centuries immediately before and after. They were conducted in the same dubious fashion as the witch trials of those same years: that is to say, once an accusation was made, the accused was presumed to be guilty, tortured savagely in order to extract a confession, and then put to death, preferably after he’d implicated several other people who could then be subjected to the same treatment. It was an ugly chapter of history, though there are plenty of equivalents before and since.

Follow the track of the werewolf back into the mists of Eurasian antiquity and it’s possible to trace the outlines of an archaic set of traditions of the Indo-European peoples back when they were cattle-herding tribes on the plains of what are now Ukraine and southern Russia. In those days, boys who reached puberty left their home villages to dwell in the forest under the tutelage of elder shamans. For a period of several years, they spent the summers living like wild things, eating raw meat, sleeping in the open, and raiding neighbouring tribes to steal cattle. The winters, in turn, were devoted to harsh austerities and rituals of initiation.

The most important of those rituals centred on the mythic theme of casting off the participants’ identity as boys and becoming wolves: fierce, predatory, loyal, tough, attuned to the wilderness. Then, once their period in the forest was finished, they cast off their wolf-identity through another ritual process, became men, and returned to their villages to take up their social roles as husbands, fathers, providers, and warriors. For thousands of years, that was how the Indo-European tribes handled the turbulent transition from boyhood to manhood, and mythic echoes of these same customs remained in Indo-European societies from India to Ireland long after the original tradition had faded out.

Did these boys in the wilderness actually turn into wolves? Not in any biological sense, surely. That said, human consciousness is capable of strange things. Certain bands of Norse warriors in historic times were called Úlfhednar, “wolf coat wearers”; like their close equivalents the Berserkir, “bear shirt wearers”, they could enter into a battle-frenzy in which they behaved like wild beasts, possessing superhuman strength, insensibility to pain, and the ability to walk over burning coals unscathed. (A priestly clan among the Faliscans, an Italian people absorbed by the Romans, had the same firewalking reputation; they were called hirpi Sorani, “wolves of the god Soranus”.) Certain kinds of out-of-body experience, in which the participants experience themselves as taking on animal form, also seem to be caught up in the same tradition. It’s a heady mix of practices, more than enough to make its initiates fierce and effective warriors in an age of hand-to-hand combat.

The initiation rituals referenced above aren’t simply a matter of speculation. Archaeologists have dug up at least one site where they were performed: an isolated structure at Krasnosamarskoe in Russia, dating from around 1800BC, where dogs were ceremonially sacrificed and eaten in the midst of other ritual activities. Dogs are considered good eating in many cultures, but in societies descended from the Indo-European tribes, the thought of eating dog meat gets an immediate reaction of repulsion. That’s the last dim echo of an archaic taboo that once restricted eating the flesh of canids to the wolf-boys in the forests. The dog sacrifices took place during the winter ritual season — you can tell such things these days from skeletal remains. Combine that evidence with input from myth, legend, and folk tradition and you can glimpse a little of the ancient wolf-magic as it once existed.

That, to sum up decades of scholarly research, is what lies behind the legendary image of the werewolf in European folklore. After the great Indo-European migrations and conquests, the bands of boys-become-wolves in the forests gradually changed into permanent warbands under the command of local chieftains, and then morphed further into the feudal system of medieval Europe, with each young generation of warriors absorbed into the retinues of barons and kings, and so no longer a threat to the status quo. The old traditions clung to shadowy life here and there, mostly in isolated areas, and gave rise to bands of outlaws: in several old Indo-European languages, as a result, the word for “wolf” is also the word for “outlaw”. (In Old Norse, that word is vargr, which is where Tolkien got the word “warg”.)

As medieval European society settled down after the era of mass migrations, and Christianity became more centralised and dogmatic, surviving traces of the old shamanistic traditions got squeezed out a little at a time. Whether or not Peter Stumpf was involved in one of the last flickering traces of the old wolf-cult will probably never be known, but it is at least possible. It’s also possible that a few scraps of the old tradition still survive, either in Europe or in some corners of the European diaspora.

Whether any remnant of the archaic wolf-cult endured, however, it’s safe to say that its archetype certainly did, and it remains a living and potent force today. Imagine for a moment how the reputation of the ancient wolf-initiates changed as the tribal cultures of Indo-European antiquity gave way to the settled societies of medieval Europe, as warriors were expected to become the loyal servants of feudal magnates and the new ideology of Christianity put its own spin on the legacies of the distant past. Here and there, as in the legends of Robin Hood, outlaws seized the popular imagination as an emblem of resistance to the status quo, but far more often the fierce, lonely men who had been driven out of polite society and dwelt in deep forests and mountainous regions were feared and despised by the respectable people of their time. It was proverbial in medieval England that outlaws “had a wolf’s head” — that is to say, like the wolf that was their ancient emblem, they could be killed out of hand by anyone tough enough for the job, and their deaths would be met with general rejoicing.

This, of course, is where we circle back to Donald Trump. Well before a jury found him liable for sexual abuse this week, the man had made an enduring mark on American culture by violating all the rules that polite society had erected to maintain the grip of today’s privileged classes on the levers of political and social power. It’s a piece of synchronicity that Carl Jung would have appreciated that Trump may be descended from a famous werewolf, because he’s the outlaw of today’s American politics, sporting a wolf’s head in the best medieval style, refusing to play by the rules that keep power in the hands of a failed managerial aristocracy that can’t lead but won’t get out of the way. That’s why he fields the same kind of blind hatred that Peter Stumpf got from the German authorities of his time. It’s no exaggeration to say that there are plenty of people who would gladly see Donald Trump broken on the wheel, beheaded, and burnt at the stake if they thought they could get away with it.

There’s more to the archetypal pattern than this, however. Of all the many people who rallied around Trump’s banner in 2015 and haven’t abandoned it yet, what’s the group that’s made the biggest mark? It’s primarily young men, the same group that would be out there in the forests learning how to be wolves if we still followed the folkways of Indo-European antiquity.

This is a bleak and bitter time to be a young man in America. Outside the narrowing circles of the well-to-do, boys and girls alike face a world in which every option pushed on them by their society — employment, college education, you name it — is a mug’s game rigged to make others rich at their expense. Boys, however, face the additional burden that maleness has been pathologised in our schools, so that boys are systematically punished and penalised for the crime of not acting more like girls. Those boys who can’t handle the demands for passivity and obedience can count on being drugged into submission — if they aren’t simply arrested and put into what has been usefully labelled the school-to-prison pipeline.

The military used to be the great escape hatch for young men who couldn’t find a place in civil society, but that door’s been slammed shut in recent years as Pentagon bureaucrats push an increasingly strident woke ideology on the rank and file, and the benefits of military service have become increasingly limited when they’re not wholly imaginary. The salary you get as an enlisted man these days won’t keep your family fed and housed, and the Veterans Administration medical system has turned into a sick joke. These days a rapidly growing fraction of the young men from working-class backgrounds who used to keep the US military well-supplied with recruits are walking away from military service, and they’re doing it with the encouragement of their elders; many of these latter, after all, are military vets who know exactly what the score is.

Rejected by the cultural mainstream, and as often as not condemned by woke ideologues as personally guilty of every wrong ever inflicted by their ancestors, a great many young men have been driven to the fringes of our society. The folk knowledge, the traditional customs and the largely intact ecosystems that would enable them to live in the forest, gnawing on raw meat and carrying out cattle raids on neighbouring tribes? Those no longer exist, so the young men in question are finding refuges in the wilderness of the internet and cobbling together traditions of their own. That the raw material for those traditions comes from the things our mainstream society rejects is hardly a surprise.

Yes, I know that there have been various attempts to create models of male initiation in our time. All of the ones I’m familiar with — well, let’s just say that you can tell easily that they were invented by middle-class suburbanites. They provide a weak simulacrum of the tribal initiations of the past, lacking the terrifying intensity of those initiations’ head-on confrontation with the realities of death, violence, fear, and pain. It was because the military provided that intensity through combat that it so often served as an initiatory experience. Lacking that, it’s no surprise that so many young men make a beeline for gangs, or find some other socially unacceptable way to define themselves in opposition to a society that so obviously hates and fears them.

Exactly how all this will play out is impossible to say. One of the core insights of depth psychology, though, is that you can’t get rid of something you don’t like by repressing it. All you’ll get by piling on the punishment is a more serious blowback. That’s a lesson both sides in today’s culture wars could stand to learn. Another such lesson is the reminder that the thing you hate most in other people is by and large the thing you refuse to see in yourself.

The first round of blowback from this repression of American masculinity helped to put Donald Trump in the White House. The second round could quite possibly repeat that, or it may lead in directions even more unpalatable to today’s status quo. Nor will a silver bullet solve the problem. (Why silver? The Moon’s metal, emblematic of feminine energy, represents the longing for marriage, family, and a settled life that once transformed the wolf into a man.) Look instead into the silvered mirror. The wolf’s face that stares back at you may be your own.


John Michael Greer is the author of over thirty books. He served twelve years as Grand Archdruid of the Ancient Order of Druids in America.


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J Bryant
J Bryant
1 year ago

I will admit that, at some level, I find it hard to take seriously anything written by a former “Grand Archdruid.” Now that my personal bias is on the table, I must admit I found this article both interesting and convincing.
Men, especially young men, are ridiculed and demonized in Western society (until, of course, they’re needed to fight and die in places such as Ukraine). In part this attitude is driven by a feminist agenda, but I believe it’s mostly driven by global corporatism that wants to neuter men who might resist the imposition of a global culture, market and political agenda.
But men’s fundamental nature hasn’t changed. They are built to respond positively, for example, to the types of initiation rituals described by the author, and then to provide for a family. I don’t know if there will be a huge, decisive blowback by men in the West. Perhaps the weight of a feminized society is now too great to resist. I suspect, however, those non-Western societies not in thrall to postmodernism, to misandry, and to transgenderism will slowly but surely outcompete the West if for no other reason than biological reality cannot be denied.
Well done to Unherd for finally publishing an article that highlights the situation of men in the West. I’ve been a subscriber for three years and, so far as I recall, there have been only a tiny handful of such articles.

Last edited 1 year ago by J Bryant
Geoff Wilkes
Geoff Wilkes
1 year ago
Reply to  J Bryant

If you like nerdy arcana followed by standard-issue drivel about how feminism is destroying young men, the archdruid is definitely your man.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Geoff Wilkes

Exactly.

chris sullivan
chris sullivan
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

see above Clare

chris sullivan
chris sullivan
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

see above Clare

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Geoff Wilkes

How is feminism destroying young men?

Peter Joy
Peter Joy
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

Read the article.

Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows
Iris Violet
Iris Violet
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

It is destroying women too

Peter Joy
Peter Joy
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

Read the article.

Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows
Iris Violet
Iris Violet
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

It is destroying women too

Peter Joy
Peter Joy
1 year ago
Reply to  Geoff Wilkes

So what he says is incorrect, is it? Any countervailing hypothesis of your own, or are you just going to screech and throw orange peel?

chris sullivan
chris sullivan
1 year ago
Reply to  Geoff Wilkes

Geoff you need to say why you disagree or you will just get downvotes – that is how reasonable people discuss things 🙂

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Geoff Wilkes

Exactly.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Geoff Wilkes

How is feminism destroying young men?

Peter Joy
Peter Joy
1 year ago
Reply to  Geoff Wilkes

So what he says is incorrect, is it? Any countervailing hypothesis of your own, or are you just going to screech and throw orange peel?

chris sullivan
chris sullivan
1 year ago
Reply to  Geoff Wilkes

Geoff you need to say why you disagree or you will just get downvotes – that is how reasonable people discuss things 🙂

Nell Clover
Nell Clover
1 year ago
Reply to  J Bryant

The marketing director of a very large consumer products manufacturer remarked that the public may all be useless consumers, but men are even useless at that. Dispicable elitism* and misandry to boot. But it points to the reason why marketing departments might end up ridiculing males.

Your point about men resisting a global agenda is perhaps too grand. At a more simplistic level, her problem and the problem modern consumer goods and brand corporations have with typical** male behaviour is that their spending remains heavily focused on durables like cars, golf clubs, etc. And this is a problem because margins on these products are generally low, brand differentiation is increasingly difficult, there are objective quality and performance standards to meet, they are input (investment, resources, etc.) intensive, and the rate of re-purchasing is very slow. In contrast, typical** female consumer behaviour sees a much larger amount spent on beauty, fashion and other “fast” consumer products that cost beans to make, require no investment except for branding and marketing, can be endlessly repackaged and rebranded, and are repeatedly resold weekly.

For marketing departments around the world, the question is: how do we pursuade men to consume like women? They tried reformatting products and male consumer patterns didn’t shift. So the only other answers were: 1) ignore male consumers entirely, or 2) ridicule existing/current male consumer behaviour and hope peer pressure does the rest. Both these answers sail very close to simply demonising being male.

*Useless consumer is derived from the Nazi politics of useless eaters (unnütze Esser). You don’t get to be marketing director for several decades unless you’re ruthless, but paraphrasing Nazi political slogans seems a bit too ruthless for my liking.

**Typical as in average, I appreciate everyone is on a spectrum and many men outspend some women on consumer products.

Last edited 1 year ago by Nell Clover
leculdesac suburbia
leculdesac suburbia
1 year ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

Right. The frequent, inexpensive, highly visible consumption of lager is precisely how the public finally found a way to fight back against the dangers of transactivism.

Your stereotypes of feminism are uninformed–they’re as vague as saying “liberal” or “humanist.” Are the feminists who organized shelters for battered women or rape victims castrating monsters hell-bent on destroying society? Are they the same as the anti-woman, anti-lesbian, child-grooming, porn-addicted members of the trans movement? You’re describing people poles apart with the same term.

And the marketing industry doesn’t drive any grand uniform ideology–it’s full of a bunch of careerist midwits superficially reflecting what they perceive If there’s a deeper truth, they’re the last ones to articulate it. Yeesh.

John Dee
John Dee
1 year ago

I thought the subject was feminisation, not feminism.

John Dee
John Dee
1 year ago

I thought the subject was feminisation, not feminism.

Greg Simay
Greg Simay
1 year ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

…and estrogen mimics, part of the effluvia of industrialized nations, are a suspected cause of declining male fertility. So soon we may have “useless eaters with useless peters”… ; )

Peter Joy
Peter Joy
1 year ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

Interesting. That might go some way to explaining why adverts have become so absurdly effete, humourless, Eurovisiony and Woke.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

Well stated. Marketers must hate men like me who shop infrequently, spend miserly and resist the latest fads. I also save some money for a rainy day and pay off my credit card bills monthly. How dreadful!

John Dee
John Dee
1 year ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

Indeed; don’t watch live TV and have ad-blockers on my PCs. I only get to read about these ‘Mulvaney Moments’ that must haunt the ad agencies and their ‘creatives’.

John Dee
John Dee
1 year ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

Indeed; don’t watch live TV and have ad-blockers on my PCs. I only get to read about these ‘Mulvaney Moments’ that must haunt the ad agencies and their ‘creatives’.

Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
1 year ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

Rather unique take on the topic. OTOH, the failed Bud Light ad suggests that some have no clue about their customer.

leculdesac suburbia
leculdesac suburbia
1 year ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

Right. The frequent, inexpensive, highly visible consumption of lager is precisely how the public finally found a way to fight back against the dangers of transactivism.

Your stereotypes of feminism are uninformed–they’re as vague as saying “liberal” or “humanist.” Are the feminists who organized shelters for battered women or rape victims castrating monsters hell-bent on destroying society? Are they the same as the anti-woman, anti-lesbian, child-grooming, porn-addicted members of the trans movement? You’re describing people poles apart with the same term.

And the marketing industry doesn’t drive any grand uniform ideology–it’s full of a bunch of careerist midwits superficially reflecting what they perceive If there’s a deeper truth, they’re the last ones to articulate it. Yeesh.

Greg Simay
Greg Simay
1 year ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

…and estrogen mimics, part of the effluvia of industrialized nations, are a suspected cause of declining male fertility. So soon we may have “useless eaters with useless peters”… ; )

Peter Joy
Peter Joy
1 year ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

Interesting. That might go some way to explaining why adverts have become so absurdly effete, humourless, Eurovisiony and Woke.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

Well stated. Marketers must hate men like me who shop infrequently, spend miserly and resist the latest fads. I also save some money for a rainy day and pay off my credit card bills monthly. How dreadful!

Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
1 year ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

Rather unique take on the topic. OTOH, the failed Bud Light ad suggests that some have no clue about their customer.

Danielle Treille
Danielle Treille
1 year ago
Reply to  J Bryant

There will not be a huge, decisive blowback by men in the West, because thank the “goddess”, most men are not Archdefenders of Mysoginy, of which you are obviously the Grand Patriarch.

Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
1 year ago

Really? Why did J.Peterson become such a hero with young men. What does “Thank the Goddess” mean? Ah, you can‘t say Thank God anymore, and I guess in your world the prayer “Our Father” would change to “Our Mother”.

Last edited 1 year ago by Stephanie Surface
Danielle Treille
Danielle Treille
1 year ago

In my world, there are NO prayers, not affiliated with any religion that is. Ever heard of paganism? You would bring up the infamous J. Peterson who is making a shitload of money off gullible young men. I presume you also hold Andrew Tate in high esteem?!

Danielle Treille
Danielle Treille
1 year ago

In my world, there are NO prayers, not affiliated with any religion that is. Ever heard of paganism? You would bring up the infamous J. Peterson who is making a shitload of money off gullible young men. I presume you also hold Andrew Tate in high esteem?!

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago

here you go another example of misandry

Danielle Treille
Danielle Treille
1 year ago

Another poor little man, oppressed by those horrible women who have the audacity to claim their EQUAL rights. Get used to it; they’re not going away.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago

Look at the hate and loathing in the language you use and tell me I am wrong

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago

She most certainly has the right to be an utterly obnoxious and most unpleasant example of womanhood.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago

She most certainly has the right to be an utterly obnoxious and most unpleasant example of womanhood.

Julian Pellatt
Julian Pellatt
1 year ago

You really are a most unpleasant person! If you wish to be taken seriously then engage in respectful discussion.

Peter Joy
Peter Joy
1 year ago

Jeez, it’s Millie Tant from Viz: ‘Equal rights for ugly wimmin”

John Dee
John Dee
1 year ago

Neither are the unscrupulous, twisted males who want to identify as ‘women’ and outcompete you in your sports activities. Why more women aren’t exercised about that remains a mystery to me. I’m betting it’ll get worse before it gets better.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago

Look at the hate and loathing in the language you use and tell me I am wrong

Julian Pellatt
Julian Pellatt
1 year ago

You really are a most unpleasant person! If you wish to be taken seriously then engage in respectful discussion.

Peter Joy
Peter Joy
1 year ago

Jeez, it’s Millie Tant from Viz: ‘Equal rights for ugly wimmin”

John Dee
John Dee
1 year ago

Neither are the unscrupulous, twisted males who want to identify as ‘women’ and outcompete you in your sports activities. Why more women aren’t exercised about that remains a mystery to me. I’m betting it’ll get worse before it gets better.

Danielle Treille
Danielle Treille
1 year ago

Another poor little man, oppressed by those horrible women who have the audacity to claim their EQUAL rights. Get used to it; they’re not going away.

Douglas Proudfoot
Douglas Proudfoot
1 year ago

Watch Bud Light sales for decisive blow back to the woke transgender agenda. Other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?

Danielle Treille
Danielle Treille
1 year ago

Newsflash: I hate the woke transgender agenda.

Don Butler
Don Butler
1 year ago

I can be brusque, too. To wit: you seem to hate everything, which probably includes yourself. My wolf nose smells a deeply unhappy person.

Don Butler
Don Butler
1 year ago

I can be brusque, too. To wit: you seem to hate everything, which probably includes yourself. My wolf nose smells a deeply unhappy person.

Danielle Treille
Danielle Treille
1 year ago

Newsflash: I hate the woke transgender agenda.

Peter Joy
Peter Joy
1 year ago

I think you’ve come to the wrong shop, Danielle. The Guardian or BBC will have what you’re after.

Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
1 year ago

Really? Why did J.Peterson become such a hero with young men. What does “Thank the Goddess” mean? Ah, you can‘t say Thank God anymore, and I guess in your world the prayer “Our Father” would change to “Our Mother”.

Last edited 1 year ago by Stephanie Surface
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago

here you go another example of misandry

Douglas Proudfoot
Douglas Proudfoot
1 year ago

Watch Bud Light sales for decisive blow back to the woke transgender agenda. Other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?

Peter Joy
Peter Joy
1 year ago

I think you’ve come to the wrong shop, Danielle. The Guardian or BBC will have what you’re after.

Geoff Wilkes
Geoff Wilkes
1 year ago
Reply to  J Bryant

If you like nerdy arcana followed by standard-issue drivel about how feminism is destroying young men, the archdruid is definitely your man.

Nell Clover
Nell Clover
1 year ago
Reply to  J Bryant

The marketing director of a very large consumer products manufacturer remarked that the public may all be useless consumers, but men are even useless at that. Dispicable elitism* and misandry to boot. But it points to the reason why marketing departments might end up ridiculing males.

Your point about men resisting a global agenda is perhaps too grand. At a more simplistic level, her problem and the problem modern consumer goods and brand corporations have with typical** male behaviour is that their spending remains heavily focused on durables like cars, golf clubs, etc. And this is a problem because margins on these products are generally low, brand differentiation is increasingly difficult, there are objective quality and performance standards to meet, they are input (investment, resources, etc.) intensive, and the rate of re-purchasing is very slow. In contrast, typical** female consumer behaviour sees a much larger amount spent on beauty, fashion and other “fast” consumer products that cost beans to make, require no investment except for branding and marketing, can be endlessly repackaged and rebranded, and are repeatedly resold weekly.

For marketing departments around the world, the question is: how do we pursuade men to consume like women? They tried reformatting products and male consumer patterns didn’t shift. So the only other answers were: 1) ignore male consumers entirely, or 2) ridicule existing/current male consumer behaviour and hope peer pressure does the rest. Both these answers sail very close to simply demonising being male.

*Useless consumer is derived from the Nazi politics of useless eaters (unnütze Esser). You don’t get to be marketing director for several decades unless you’re ruthless, but paraphrasing Nazi political slogans seems a bit too ruthless for my liking.

**Typical as in average, I appreciate everyone is on a spectrum and many men outspend some women on consumer products.

Last edited 1 year ago by Nell Clover
Danielle Treille
Danielle Treille
1 year ago
Reply to  J Bryant

There will not be a huge, decisive blowback by men in the West, because thank the “goddess”, most men are not Archdefenders of Mysoginy, of which you are obviously the Grand Patriarch.

J Bryant
J Bryant
1 year ago

I will admit that, at some level, I find it hard to take seriously anything written by a former “Grand Archdruid.” Now that my personal bias is on the table, I must admit I found this article both interesting and convincing.
Men, especially young men, are ridiculed and demonized in Western society (until, of course, they’re needed to fight and die in places such as Ukraine). In part this attitude is driven by a feminist agenda, but I believe it’s mostly driven by global corporatism that wants to neuter men who might resist the imposition of a global culture, market and political agenda.
But men’s fundamental nature hasn’t changed. They are built to respond positively, for example, to the types of initiation rituals described by the author, and then to provide for a family. I don’t know if there will be a huge, decisive blowback by men in the West. Perhaps the weight of a feminized society is now too great to resist. I suspect, however, those non-Western societies not in thrall to postmodernism, to misandry, and to transgenderism will slowly but surely outcompete the West if for no other reason than biological reality cannot be denied.
Well done to Unherd for finally publishing an article that highlights the situation of men in the West. I’ve been a subscriber for three years and, so far as I recall, there have been only a tiny handful of such articles.

Last edited 1 year ago by J Bryant
Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
1 year ago

The great paradox of Trump: even if everything his critics say about him is true – and most of it clearly is – he was still the better candidate in 2016 and 2020 and probably in 2024 as well

That is, of course, unless your vision of the ideal future consists of borderless anarchy, endless proxy wars, poverty, industrial decline, rampant crime and addiction, collapsing cities and mutilated and abused children. All overseen by a brutal and corrupt plutocracy ensconced in fortress estates.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

Nah.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

It is good to see an intellectual in the comments section

Peter Joy
Peter Joy
1 year ago

Quite. She’s probably a PhD in Sociology or Gender Studies. No one could become as angry and self-righteous as that without a few years at a post-Blair Uni behind them.

Peter Joy
Peter Joy
1 year ago

Quite. She’s probably a PhD in Sociology or Gender Studies. No one could become as angry and self-righteous as that without a few years at a post-Blair Uni behind them.

Samuel Ross
Samuel Ross
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

Yeah

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

It is good to see an intellectual in the comments section

Samuel Ross
Samuel Ross
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

Yeah

Joseph Guzinski
Joseph Guzinski
1 year ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

Borders and the bizarre limitations they impose on the free movement of people are what cause the other ills in your list.

Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
1 year ago

So the cure is entropy?

Joseph Guzinski
Joseph Guzinski
1 year ago

No. I believe in a process where a person who wants to travel and work in another country should be able to do so unless the state has a compelling reason to keep the person out.

Last edited 1 year ago by Joseph Guzinski
Peter Joy
Peter Joy
1 year ago
Peter Joy
Peter Joy
1 year ago
Joseph Guzinski
Joseph Guzinski
1 year ago

No. I believe in a process where a person who wants to travel and work in another country should be able to do so unless the state has a compelling reason to keep the person out.

Last edited 1 year ago by Joseph Guzinski
Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
1 year ago

So the cure is entropy?

Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
1 year ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

I think DeSantis straightened out a lot of those problems in his State. But he seems not to attract the majority of the Republican voters right now (lack of charisma?) , but some polls say that independents will prefer him over Trump. But so much can change till the primaries

T Bone
T Bone
1 year ago

Lack of Charisma? Lol I see the MSM fake narratives carry along ways.

So let me get this straight…Ron DeSantis lacks “charisma.” Next to which Democrat?

Bryan Dale
Bryan Dale
1 year ago

DeSantis’ problem is that he became the choice of never Trumpers and that’s the kiss of death in the Republican Party.

T Bone
T Bone
1 year ago

Lack of Charisma? Lol I see the MSM fake narratives carry along ways.

So let me get this straight…Ron DeSantis lacks “charisma.” Next to which Democrat?

Bryan Dale
Bryan Dale
1 year ago

DeSantis’ problem is that he became the choice of never Trumpers and that’s the kiss of death in the Republican Party.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

like bubonic plague is better than terminal radiation?

Peter Joy
Peter Joy
1 year ago

Good luck with President Biden/ Harris till Jan 2029 then, Icky.

Peter Joy
Peter Joy
1 year ago

Good luck with President Biden/ Harris till Jan 2029 then, Icky.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

Nah.

Joseph Guzinski
Joseph Guzinski
1 year ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

Borders and the bizarre limitations they impose on the free movement of people are what cause the other ills in your list.

Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
1 year ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

I think DeSantis straightened out a lot of those problems in his State. But he seems not to attract the majority of the Republican voters right now (lack of charisma?) , but some polls say that independents will prefer him over Trump. But so much can change till the primaries

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

like bubonic plague is better than terminal radiation?

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
1 year ago

The great paradox of Trump: even if everything his critics say about him is true – and most of it clearly is – he was still the better candidate in 2016 and 2020 and probably in 2024 as well

That is, of course, unless your vision of the ideal future consists of borderless anarchy, endless proxy wars, poverty, industrial decline, rampant crime and addiction, collapsing cities and mutilated and abused children. All overseen by a brutal and corrupt plutocracy ensconced in fortress estates.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago

For all Trump’s faults the Establishment has been out for his blood. It’s not so much about Trump any more. It’s more about showing the little people that this is what happens to those who stand in their way, even to billionaires like Trump. And those who protested on January 6th.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

Rubbish. Trump is about establishment as it gets. “Out for his blood”? Out to get him to take responsibility for his crimes, for once.

Simon Blanchard
Simon Blanchard
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

I agree with every word of that. And yet I have to acknowledge that his support is basically a howl of justifiable rage and frustration. The times call for a hero but he ain’t it.

Danielle Treille
Danielle Treille
1 year ago

More like a howl of stupidity and ignorance. I highly recommend a little visit to the Bible Belt/Midwest… Turn back your clocks to the Middle Ages.

Last edited 1 year ago by Danielle Treille
Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
1 year ago

Did you live there? I did for 4 years and at that time the clock didn’t turn back to the Middle Ages. Guess, you would put them all in one deplorable basket like Hilary. But I’ve got to disappoint you, things are more complex than that.

Last edited 1 year ago by Stephanie Surface
Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago

I live in the US Bible Belt. Like any other place it has its share of nice and not so nice people, mostly nice tho.

Peter Joy
Peter Joy
1 year ago

I’d rather live there than downtown Seattle, Missus. Turn your clock back to a Hobbesian state of nature if you go there.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago

Ah yes! There it is…stupidity and ignorance. Time to fire up the gas ovens for us stupid Christians, ey?

Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
1 year ago

Did you live there? I did for 4 years and at that time the clock didn’t turn back to the Middle Ages. Guess, you would put them all in one deplorable basket like Hilary. But I’ve got to disappoint you, things are more complex than that.

Last edited 1 year ago by Stephanie Surface
Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago

I live in the US Bible Belt. Like any other place it has its share of nice and not so nice people, mostly nice tho.

Peter Joy
Peter Joy
1 year ago

I’d rather live there than downtown Seattle, Missus. Turn your clock back to a Hobbesian state of nature if you go there.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago

Ah yes! There it is…stupidity and ignorance. Time to fire up the gas ovens for us stupid Christians, ey?

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago

Stop romanticising thick people.

Danielle Treille
Danielle Treille
1 year ago

More like a howl of stupidity and ignorance. I highly recommend a little visit to the Bible Belt/Midwest… Turn back your clocks to the Middle Ages.

Last edited 1 year ago by Danielle Treille
Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago

Stop romanticising thick people.

Danielle Treille
Danielle Treille
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

Trump is feeding off the gullibility(I’m being kind…) of his followers. He’s very good at it, but he can’t fool all American voters which is why he lost in 2020, and most probably will again in 2024.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago

And the MSM and the Democrats are feeding off the gullibility of people like you

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago

And the MSM and the Democrats are feeding off the gullibility of people like you

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

Can you outline his crimes?

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

But this does not apply to Biden, Clinton and the Democrats and what crimes do you have in mind?
It is beyond question that the recent actions of the NY DA was a naked attempt to pervert the justice system to attack a criminal opponent. When this happens say in Russia it is a cause for media outrage

Last edited 1 year ago by Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Douglas Proudfoot
Douglas Proudfoot
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

When proving Trump’s crimes, remember that evidence has to meet federal criminal rules of evidence and criminal burden of proof. Civil cases where the jury found the plaintiff, Ms. Carroll, lied when she said she was raped sometime in the mid 1990’s, year unknown, but awarded her damages for sexual assault and defamation, didn’t meet federal rules of evidence for a criminal trial and didn’t meet beyond reasonable doubt standards either.

Otherwise, I can use a lower standard of evidence to show the Bidens are guilty of bribery, and the 2020 election was tainted.

Last edited 1 year ago by Douglas Proudfoot
Simon Blanchard
Simon Blanchard
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

I agree with every word of that. And yet I have to acknowledge that his support is basically a howl of justifiable rage and frustration. The times call for a hero but he ain’t it.

Danielle Treille
Danielle Treille
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

Trump is feeding off the gullibility(I’m being kind…) of his followers. He’s very good at it, but he can’t fool all American voters which is why he lost in 2020, and most probably will again in 2024.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

Can you outline his crimes?

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

But this does not apply to Biden, Clinton and the Democrats and what crimes do you have in mind?
It is beyond question that the recent actions of the NY DA was a naked attempt to pervert the justice system to attack a criminal opponent. When this happens say in Russia it is a cause for media outrage

Last edited 1 year ago by Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Douglas Proudfoot
Douglas Proudfoot
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

When proving Trump’s crimes, remember that evidence has to meet federal criminal rules of evidence and criminal burden of proof. Civil cases where the jury found the plaintiff, Ms. Carroll, lied when she said she was raped sometime in the mid 1990’s, year unknown, but awarded her damages for sexual assault and defamation, didn’t meet federal rules of evidence for a criminal trial and didn’t meet beyond reasonable doubt standards either.

Otherwise, I can use a lower standard of evidence to show the Bidens are guilty of bribery, and the 2020 election was tainted.

Last edited 1 year ago by Douglas Proudfoot
Douglas Proudfoot
Douglas Proudfoot
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

Is Joe Biden a Zombie? He would be the first Zombie president. He does move around, just like the living dead. We don’t know what he eats, besides ice cream, but he is certainly lacking in brains himself. Maybe he consumed his own brain internally before looking for brains to eat? His supporters don’t require him to do anything other than live in the house at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and mumble.

The main requirement for Biden is that he not be Trump. Since Trump has proven to be a Werewolf, if Biden is a Zombie, that’s proof he ain’t Trump. So it’s all good. As a Zombie, Biden is a moving, mumbling, hair sniffing Weekend at Bernie’s.

Before you down vote or “moderate” this comment, think about how serious this article is.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

Rubbish. Trump is about establishment as it gets. “Out for his blood”? Out to get him to take responsibility for his crimes, for once.

Douglas Proudfoot
Douglas Proudfoot
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

Is Joe Biden a Zombie? He would be the first Zombie president. He does move around, just like the living dead. We don’t know what he eats, besides ice cream, but he is certainly lacking in brains himself. Maybe he consumed his own brain internally before looking for brains to eat? His supporters don’t require him to do anything other than live in the house at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and mumble.

The main requirement for Biden is that he not be Trump. Since Trump has proven to be a Werewolf, if Biden is a Zombie, that’s proof he ain’t Trump. So it’s all good. As a Zombie, Biden is a moving, mumbling, hair sniffing Weekend at Bernie’s.

Before you down vote or “moderate” this comment, think about how serious this article is.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago

For all Trump’s faults the Establishment has been out for his blood. It’s not so much about Trump any more. It’s more about showing the little people that this is what happens to those who stand in their way, even to billionaires like Trump. And those who protested on January 6th.

Philip Stott
Philip Stott
1 year ago

I do like this author’s articles. They always send me on some bizarre Google searches. Bet he’d be a top bloke to lift a pint with – if you could get a word in edgeways 😉

Last edited 1 year ago by Philip Stott
Richard 0
Richard 0
1 year ago
Reply to  Philip Stott

Agreed! A really good piece and definitely a man to have a pint with. So what if he’s a Druid? How does one become one? I might be tempted if he represents the leadership

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard 0

Do you need a leader? Trump needs followers. If you’re a follower you’ll have no trouble finding a leader.

R Wright
R Wright
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

Could you stop chimping out for five minutes?

R Wright
R Wright
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

Could you stop chimping out for five minutes?

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard 0

was he in The Welsh Guards?

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard 0

Do you need a leader? Trump needs followers. If you’re a follower you’ll have no trouble finding a leader.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard 0

was he in The Welsh Guards?

Richard 0
Richard 0
1 year ago
Reply to  Philip Stott

Agreed! A really good piece and definitely a man to have a pint with. So what if he’s a Druid? How does one become one? I might be tempted if he represents the leadership

Philip Stott
Philip Stott
1 year ago

I do like this author’s articles. They always send me on some bizarre Google searches. Bet he’d be a top bloke to lift a pint with – if you could get a word in edgeways 😉

Last edited 1 year ago by Philip Stott
Steve White
Steve White
1 year ago

Part of the problem with this whole rape claim by this woman is, it’s just hard to believe. First off are the accusers, and this sort of machine that wants to get Trump on anything to keep him out of the Whitehouse. So, they’ll say or do anything, including withholding information and perspectives that would tend to make the story hard to believe.
First off, this woman is 3 years older than Trump. While she was not ugly, the man was and is a Billionaire, and unlike fat and disgusting Democrat politicians like Ted Kennedy and his “waitress sandwiches”, it’s hard to believe that he would ever have had to force any woman to do anything with him. The man had his pick of many super models in his day, and so it’s hard to believe that he would go into a dressing room in a department store and rape this woman.
Of course, he’s got a machine against him, the same machine that would have and tried to destroy Clinton’s accuser, until she was able to produce a DNA verifiable stain on a blue dress. It’s all selectve outrage to these people.
So, the whole deal of the need to destroy him with a silver bullet or otherwise is also part of the problem. The reality is that the media has worked overtime to shape opinion on him and on a lot of things recently including things like Covid, Environmentalism, and most recently the Ukraine war.
The whole “Trump Bad” mantra is part of mainstream orthodoxy just like there is an orthodoxy on those other issues, and you can’t go against it, or you are to be destroyed. So, they write stories about what is wrong with people who would vote for Trump, but the real issue themselves! The parts and pieces of the authoritarian thought police who themselves are shown again and again not to be honest with the truth.
So, the problem is the personal integrity and character of the whole cabal of media, politicians, educators, big-tech/big-business law enforcement, including the whole global racket of CIA/NGO globalist jerks.
Trump is simply attractive to many because he is effective. He is part of the tip of the spear of everything they hate, including things like ending wars, peaceful trade, energy independence, traditional (non-woke) culture, economic nationalism, and protecting the border. He doesn’t just talk about those things the way the phonys do, but actually works towards them and accomplishes things, and they simply can’t stand that! Because they don’t want it, and this again shines a spotlight what kind of people they really are.
No one likes being exposed as a liar, a creep, a narcissistic user of people. It makes them feel bad about themselves, which is why they never admit that they are wrong about anything. They chose to focus on the faults of others, which is why nothing ever gets better under these people. They lack the personal character to think and say and do what is right. 
You shouldn’t be able to get away with pretending to be a good person with everyone’s best interests at heart when you withhold or dismiss facts as if you are just some sort of slimy lawyer trying to win a case rather than a person who is simply looking for the honest truth about things.
This is the real problem with the world today, people don’t really want the truth, but they want some true things to support what they want to be true. Things don’t work that way, and that is why everything is breaking down, and is not going to last. We talk about stupid things, and focus on stupid things when Rome is burning. Thats one good thing about Unherd is sometimes a few things get talked about and looked at that the powers that be don’t want us to look at or talk about..
As far as young men, part of the destruction of young men was the commitment to globalism itself. Young men in China were valued for what they could produce, and young men in America, for example, were no longer valued at all. They were to be deminished, reshaped into voting the right way. This is all part of the problem, this is what narcisists do, they use. People are useful to them.

Last edited 1 year ago by Steve White
Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve White

Couldn’t be bothered to read that whole Steve thing past the first paragraph about Trump not needing to rape. Trump mistook Caroll for his second wife, in a photo, so she was his type. And he’s heard on tape saying if a man is a star he can just grab any woman by the crotch and they’ll let him. Rape is about power and control and misogyny, not sex.

Phil Rees
Phil Rees
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

Funny, my reaction was rather opposite. I started off feeling that this was a rant by a Druid, but gradually found myself feeling pulled into a quite interesting article.

Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

As if the casting couch didn’t exist. Apparently Trump’s female employees never felt uncomfortable. I can’t accept that in the heat of the moment, he was swept off his feet by this woman.

Phil Rees
Phil Rees
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

Funny, my reaction was rather opposite. I started off feeling that this was a rant by a Druid, but gradually found myself feeling pulled into a quite interesting article.

Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

As if the casting couch didn’t exist. Apparently Trump’s female employees never felt uncomfortable. I can’t accept that in the heat of the moment, he was swept off his feet by this woman.

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve White

“The man had his pick of many super models in his day, and so it’s hard to believe that he would go into a dressing room in a department store and rape this woman.”
First, you’re exaggerating. He was found to have committed sexual assault, not rape. Second, only a gold-digger (such as his current wife, or supermodels, who are only a couple of clicks away from being hookers anyway) would put out for Trump. Most women are not gold diggers. What normal woman would ever genuinely fancy Trump? With his little hands, his dead, whiney voice, his vanity about his appearance, and his little pouting mouth, he’s weirdly effeminate. 
Third, a known bully such as Trump actually gets off on abusing people. Of course he could easily have found a willing gold-digger, but what you miss is that a certain type bloke gets off on the power-play.  
If you think that a boorish oaf like Trump wouldn’t have gotten handsy with an unwilling woman, you’re exceptionally naive.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

What a superb description of the inept, vacuous and dim, who so attracts those of his intellectual level… He is the US equivalent of some heome ceounties saloon bar pub bore

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

What a superb description of the inept, vacuous and dim, who so attracts those of his intellectual level… He is the US equivalent of some heome ceounties saloon bar pub bore

Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve White

There were lots of things wrong with the so-called ‘rape trial’. Lawyer Dershowitz pointed out that the defense was not allowed to know the background of the jurors which is highly unusual. This alone would easily trigger an appeal. Also, being tried in NYC which voted 86% for Biden is on the Face ID it unfair and the outcome seemingly political.

Last edited 1 year ago by Cathy Carron
Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve White

Trump’s personality has many flaws but we always knew his thoughts. He wasn’t at all fake and did have serious ideas about reforming government. That latter part threatened a lot of jobs, sinecures, so he had to be destroyed. It’s remarkable that he has withstood all the flak. A strong ego, for sure.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve White

Couldn’t be bothered to read that whole Steve thing past the first paragraph about Trump not needing to rape. Trump mistook Caroll for his second wife, in a photo, so she was his type. And he’s heard on tape saying if a man is a star he can just grab any woman by the crotch and they’ll let him. Rape is about power and control and misogyny, not sex.

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve White

“The man had his pick of many super models in his day, and so it’s hard to believe that he would go into a dressing room in a department store and rape this woman.”
First, you’re exaggerating. He was found to have committed sexual assault, not rape. Second, only a gold-digger (such as his current wife, or supermodels, who are only a couple of clicks away from being hookers anyway) would put out for Trump. Most women are not gold diggers. What normal woman would ever genuinely fancy Trump? With his little hands, his dead, whiney voice, his vanity about his appearance, and his little pouting mouth, he’s weirdly effeminate. 
Third, a known bully such as Trump actually gets off on abusing people. Of course he could easily have found a willing gold-digger, but what you miss is that a certain type bloke gets off on the power-play.  
If you think that a boorish oaf like Trump wouldn’t have gotten handsy with an unwilling woman, you’re exceptionally naive.

Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve White

There were lots of things wrong with the so-called ‘rape trial’. Lawyer Dershowitz pointed out that the defense was not allowed to know the background of the jurors which is highly unusual. This alone would easily trigger an appeal. Also, being tried in NYC which voted 86% for Biden is on the Face ID it unfair and the outcome seemingly political.

Last edited 1 year ago by Cathy Carron
Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve White

Trump’s personality has many flaws but we always knew his thoughts. He wasn’t at all fake and did have serious ideas about reforming government. That latter part threatened a lot of jobs, sinecures, so he had to be destroyed. It’s remarkable that he has withstood all the flak. A strong ego, for sure.

Steve White
Steve White
1 year ago

Part of the problem with this whole rape claim by this woman is, it’s just hard to believe. First off are the accusers, and this sort of machine that wants to get Trump on anything to keep him out of the Whitehouse. So, they’ll say or do anything, including withholding information and perspectives that would tend to make the story hard to believe.
First off, this woman is 3 years older than Trump. While she was not ugly, the man was and is a Billionaire, and unlike fat and disgusting Democrat politicians like Ted Kennedy and his “waitress sandwiches”, it’s hard to believe that he would ever have had to force any woman to do anything with him. The man had his pick of many super models in his day, and so it’s hard to believe that he would go into a dressing room in a department store and rape this woman.
Of course, he’s got a machine against him, the same machine that would have and tried to destroy Clinton’s accuser, until she was able to produce a DNA verifiable stain on a blue dress. It’s all selectve outrage to these people.
So, the whole deal of the need to destroy him with a silver bullet or otherwise is also part of the problem. The reality is that the media has worked overtime to shape opinion on him and on a lot of things recently including things like Covid, Environmentalism, and most recently the Ukraine war.
The whole “Trump Bad” mantra is part of mainstream orthodoxy just like there is an orthodoxy on those other issues, and you can’t go against it, or you are to be destroyed. So, they write stories about what is wrong with people who would vote for Trump, but the real issue themselves! The parts and pieces of the authoritarian thought police who themselves are shown again and again not to be honest with the truth.
So, the problem is the personal integrity and character of the whole cabal of media, politicians, educators, big-tech/big-business law enforcement, including the whole global racket of CIA/NGO globalist jerks.
Trump is simply attractive to many because he is effective. He is part of the tip of the spear of everything they hate, including things like ending wars, peaceful trade, energy independence, traditional (non-woke) culture, economic nationalism, and protecting the border. He doesn’t just talk about those things the way the phonys do, but actually works towards them and accomplishes things, and they simply can’t stand that! Because they don’t want it, and this again shines a spotlight what kind of people they really are.
No one likes being exposed as a liar, a creep, a narcissistic user of people. It makes them feel bad about themselves, which is why they never admit that they are wrong about anything. They chose to focus on the faults of others, which is why nothing ever gets better under these people. They lack the personal character to think and say and do what is right. 
You shouldn’t be able to get away with pretending to be a good person with everyone’s best interests at heart when you withhold or dismiss facts as if you are just some sort of slimy lawyer trying to win a case rather than a person who is simply looking for the honest truth about things.
This is the real problem with the world today, people don’t really want the truth, but they want some true things to support what they want to be true. Things don’t work that way, and that is why everything is breaking down, and is not going to last. We talk about stupid things, and focus on stupid things when Rome is burning. Thats one good thing about Unherd is sometimes a few things get talked about and looked at that the powers that be don’t want us to look at or talk about..
As far as young men, part of the destruction of young men was the commitment to globalism itself. Young men in China were valued for what they could produce, and young men in America, for example, were no longer valued at all. They were to be deminished, reshaped into voting the right way. This is all part of the problem, this is what narcisists do, they use. People are useful to them.

Last edited 1 year ago by Steve White
James Kirk
James Kirk
1 year ago

I’d break Biden on the wheel but suspect tiptoeing up behind him and bursting an inflated paper bag would suffice. Besides you’d never get any sensible information out of him.
Re feral youth. I read once that young Vikings were sent off in ships to spend their energy because the Norsemen, naturally farmers, were wholeheartedly as sick of them as we are of 30 year olds living with parents, football louts and JSO protesters now.
Trump’s not a werewolf, he’s the bogueyman for wet democrats to scare their impressionable children into staying in line. To normal people he’s just a rogue, a loose cannon. Look at the state of USA now, it’s sliding over the edge thanks to liberal policies and mismanagement.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  James Kirk

What a load of rubbish. Just a lovable rogue to the unsophisticated, to the rest of us he’s a dangerous, narcissistic, anti-social personality.

Peter Lee
Peter Lee
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

His four years as President was probably the finest four years the USA has experienced.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Lee

Against rather feeble competition it must be said.

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Lee

How so? Facts and figures please.

Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

-lowest unemployment rate for blacks since the 1970’s
-low inflation rate of 1 to 1.6%
– no wars started
– reduction of hundreds of regulations which set the economy on fire
– a repeal of rules that unjustly went after students accused of rape in universities settings; the accused under Obama had no recourse
– the USA had reached energy independence
– trade agreement on China which put them on notice for unfair practices as well as attempted to undo unfavorable outcomes brought in by Clinton’s NAFTA agreement which sent many jobs abroad, terribly hurting the middle class
– effectively dealt with the southern border migration via agreements with Mexico and Central American countries…and so much more.

Biden reversed all of Trumps work with 50 plus spiteful and counterproductive Executive Orders during his first month being President

Today, the USA is is mess – high inflation, high gas prices etc etc

Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
1 year ago
Reply to  Cathy Carron

And you left out the middle east.

Last edited 1 year ago by Jeff Cunningham
Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Cathy Carron

Fact don’t matter anymore.

Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
1 year ago
Reply to  Cathy Carron

And you left out the middle east.

Last edited 1 year ago by Jeff Cunningham
Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Cathy Carron

Fact don’t matter anymore.

Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

-lowest unemployment rate for blacks since the 1970’s
-low inflation rate of 1 to 1.6%
– no wars started
– reduction of hundreds of regulations which set the economy on fire
– a repeal of rules that unjustly went after students accused of rape in universities settings; the accused under Obama had no recourse
– the USA had reached energy independence
– trade agreement on China which put them on notice for unfair practices as well as attempted to undo unfavorable outcomes brought in by Clinton’s NAFTA agreement which sent many jobs abroad, terribly hurting the middle class
– effectively dealt with the southern border migration via agreements with Mexico and Central American countries…and so much more.

Biden reversed all of Trumps work with 50 plus spiteful and counterproductive Executive Orders during his first month being President

Today, the USA is is mess – high inflation, high gas prices etc etc

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Lee

a joke worthy of Larry David!! well said!

Peter Joy
Peter Joy
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Lee

Since Eisenhower, maybe.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Lee

Against rather feeble competition it must be said.

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Lee

How so? Facts and figures please.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Lee

a joke worthy of Larry David!! well said!

Peter Joy
Peter Joy
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Lee

Since Eisenhower, maybe.

Peter Joy
Peter Joy
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

You think you’re ‘sophisticated’, do you?

Peter Lee
Peter Lee
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

His four years as President was probably the finest four years the USA has experienced.

Peter Joy
Peter Joy
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

You think you’re ‘sophisticated’, do you?

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  James Kirk

What a load of rubbish. Just a lovable rogue to the unsophisticated, to the rest of us he’s a dangerous, narcissistic, anti-social personality.

James Kirk
James Kirk
1 year ago

I’d break Biden on the wheel but suspect tiptoeing up behind him and bursting an inflated paper bag would suffice. Besides you’d never get any sensible information out of him.
Re feral youth. I read once that young Vikings were sent off in ships to spend their energy because the Norsemen, naturally farmers, were wholeheartedly as sick of them as we are of 30 year olds living with parents, football louts and JSO protesters now.
Trump’s not a werewolf, he’s the bogueyman for wet democrats to scare their impressionable children into staying in line. To normal people he’s just a rogue, a loose cannon. Look at the state of USA now, it’s sliding over the edge thanks to liberal policies and mismanagement.

Phil Rees
Phil Rees
1 year ago

Speaking from the British perspective, I find the entire attitude of MSM to this latest Trump trial quite absurd. They ask questions like “can Trump ever become president after this?” As though he’s being found guilty in a civil court and having to pay damages make the slightest difference to his electoral chances. I don’t know, maybe it’s a comment on British attitudes as opposed to American. We seem to rush to judge everything that ever happens through the lens of morality, whereas many Americans as far as I can see, continue to care only for what will Trump do if elected. Look at the recent goings on in our parliament, where so many scandals occur which are basically matters of ethical triviality. Should I really care whether Johnson had a party or whether Starmer had a few beers with friends whether Raab bullied a few lazy civil servants?

I really do hope that Americans continue to shrug off this absurd, obsession about moral triviality in favour of caring about what a person can actually do for the country.

R Wright
R Wright
1 year ago
Reply to  Phil Rees

The progressives are banking on the fact that the average person is too dim to work out the difference beyond a civil court case and a criminal trial.

Geoff Wilkes
Geoff Wilkes
1 year ago
Reply to  R Wright

The criminal/civil distinction is irrelevant.
However, I don’t think this verdict will change many people’s minds about Trump.

Douglas Proudfoot
Douglas Proudfoot
1 year ago
Reply to  Geoff Wilkes

The burden of proof in a criminal trial is beyond reasonable doubt. The burden in a civil trial in the US is preponderance of evidence, as in more evidence than not.

Further, the law that changed the statute of limitations on the civil trial, which was 20 years, was passed after the alleged rape occurred. The Constitutional provision against ex post facto laws would have prevented a retroactive change to a criminal statute of limitations. However, since 1798, the Supreme Court has held that ex post facto doesn’t apply to civil laws, so the change to the statute of limitations for civil cases was legal.

The alleged rape occurred 30 years ago. It could not have been charged crminally, because of the statute of limitations.

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Erik Hildinger
Erik Hildinger
1 year ago

An excellent statement. People should understand that the burden of proof in a civil action is very low: “more likely than not” (however slight that might be). It is not at all as stringent as the criminal standard of “beyond a reasonable doubt.” As my old torts professor used to put it: “50% plus a teense” is enough in a civil suit.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
1 year ago
Reply to  Erik Hildinger

In a criminal trial you have to be certain he did it. In a civil case like this where the jurors are only expected to decide between two different stories of events 39 years ago there can be no certainty and the juror is free to indulge his prejudice as to who lied or who lied most. In the civil case they decided, probably because of Trump’s boorish bluster that she was not his type when he couldn’t tell the difference between her and a former wife in a photo, that maybe on balance she might have been assaulted although on balance she lied when she claimed to be raped. Voters in the circumstances are free to form their own prejudiced views on the matter and whether to give it any weight.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
1 year ago
Reply to  Erik Hildinger

In a criminal trial you have to be certain he did it. In a civil case like this where the jurors are only expected to decide between two different stories of events 39 years ago there can be no certainty and the juror is free to indulge his prejudice as to who lied or who lied most. In the civil case they decided, probably because of Trump’s boorish bluster that she was not his type when he couldn’t tell the difference between her and a former wife in a photo, that maybe on balance she might have been assaulted although on balance she lied when she claimed to be raped. Voters in the circumstances are free to form their own prejudiced views on the matter and whether to give it any weight.

Erik Hildinger
Erik Hildinger
1 year ago

An excellent statement. People should understand that the burden of proof in a civil action is very low: “more likely than not” (however slight that might be). It is not at all as stringent as the criminal standard of “beyond a reasonable doubt.” As my old torts professor used to put it: “50% plus a teense” is enough in a civil suit.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  Geoff Wilkes

Always assuming that Trumpoids are in posession of a mind?

Phil Rees
Phil Rees
1 year ago

Oh please, a comment straight out of the MSM playbook. A suggestion that many tens of millions of Americans should be called Trumpoids and may not possess a mind is worthy only of derision.

Phil Rees
Phil Rees
1 year ago

Oh please, a comment straight out of the MSM playbook. A suggestion that many tens of millions of Americans should be called Trumpoids and may not possess a mind is worthy only of derision.

Douglas Proudfoot
Douglas Proudfoot
1 year ago
Reply to  Geoff Wilkes

The burden of proof in a criminal trial is beyond reasonable doubt. The burden in a civil trial in the US is preponderance of evidence, as in more evidence than not.

Further, the law that changed the statute of limitations on the civil trial, which was 20 years, was passed after the alleged rape occurred. The Constitutional provision against ex post facto laws would have prevented a retroactive change to a criminal statute of limitations. However, since 1798, the Supreme Court has held that ex post facto doesn’t apply to civil laws, so the change to the statute of limitations for civil cases was legal.

The alleged rape occurred 30 years ago. It could not have been charged crminally, because of the statute of limitations.

Last edited 1 year ago by Douglas Proudfoot
Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  Geoff Wilkes

Always assuming that Trumpoids are in posession of a mind?

Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
1 year ago
Reply to  R Wright

Well, they seem unable.

Geoff Wilkes
Geoff Wilkes
1 year ago
Reply to  R Wright

The criminal/civil distinction is irrelevant.
However, I don’t think this verdict will change many people’s minds about Trump.

Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
1 year ago
Reply to  R Wright

Well, they seem unable.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Phil Rees

You describe the main difference between Republicrats and Demicans. The red team pays attention to what candidates do. The blue team pays attention to what candidates say.

Last edited 1 year ago by Warren Trees
R Wright
R Wright
1 year ago
Reply to  Phil Rees

The progressives are banking on the fact that the average person is too dim to work out the difference beyond a civil court case and a criminal trial.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Phil Rees

You describe the main difference between Republicrats and Demicans. The red team pays attention to what candidates do. The blue team pays attention to what candidates say.

Last edited 1 year ago by Warren Trees
Phil Rees
Phil Rees
1 year ago

Speaking from the British perspective, I find the entire attitude of MSM to this latest Trump trial quite absurd. They ask questions like “can Trump ever become president after this?” As though he’s being found guilty in a civil court and having to pay damages make the slightest difference to his electoral chances. I don’t know, maybe it’s a comment on British attitudes as opposed to American. We seem to rush to judge everything that ever happens through the lens of morality, whereas many Americans as far as I can see, continue to care only for what will Trump do if elected. Look at the recent goings on in our parliament, where so many scandals occur which are basically matters of ethical triviality. Should I really care whether Johnson had a party or whether Starmer had a few beers with friends whether Raab bullied a few lazy civil servants?

I really do hope that Americans continue to shrug off this absurd, obsession about moral triviality in favour of caring about what a person can actually do for the country.

Aidan A
Aidan A
1 year ago

One article about men for several dozens on feminism. Thank you Unheard. To quote great, late Christopher Hitchens – That’s progress of a kind.

Last edited 1 year ago by Aidan A
Aidan A
Aidan A
1 year ago

One article about men for several dozens on feminism. Thank you Unheard. To quote great, late Christopher Hitchens – That’s progress of a kind.

Last edited 1 year ago by Aidan A
Laura Creighton
Laura Creighton
1 year ago

One of the core insights of depth psychology, though, is that you can’t get rid of something you don’t like by repressing it. All you’ll get by piling on the punishment is a more serious blowback.

And this is one reason why ‘depth psychology’ is so thoroughly loathed by many psychologists of other schools. If by ‘repression’ you mean something extremely technical and as a part of some flavour of psychoanalysis, then this insight may have some truth to it. But this is not how this is popularly understood. In the popular imagination, this is ‘you must act on your impluses, however base, because if you attempt to control yourself it will just mean that when you eventually lose control things will be much worse’.
And that one is completely false. Most people can and do learn to repress, control and inhibit one’s impulses, and there are all sorts of therapists who can help you with precisely this, should that be something you want to do. But first you have to want to inhibit yourself, which will be hard if you believe that it will turn you into some sort of monster.

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
1 year ago

Repression applies to those aspects of the self that are not acknowledged by the individual, the sum of which, in Jungian terminology, constitute the shadow. Self control is not repression. Recognising and acknowledging one’s true motives is not easy, the ancient Greeks recognised it to be almost impossible to ‘know thyself’. Contemporary ideas of being true to oneself don’t bother with the lifetime effort of knowing oneself. It’s the usual problem a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
‘Know thyself[1] is an Ancient Greek aphorism.[2] According to the Greek writer Pausanias,[3] it was the first of three Delphic maxims inscribed in the forecourt of the Temple of Apollo at Delphi.[4] The two maxims that follow “know thyself” were “nothing too much” and “give a pledge (or give security) and trouble is at hand”.[5]

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago

I agree, it’s called “civilisation”. Feral young men no longer “go into the forest” but live among us. We do need to find a way to deploy their energies, but in the interests of civilisation not through the glorification of violence, except in self-defence (both as individuals and as nations).

Those who rail against the “feminisation” of society should consider why it’s happening (i don’t disagree that it is.) After two horrendous world wars fought by the deployment of young men to satisfy male dreams of conquest with the increasing use of technology, isn’t a move away from that model of “civilisation” something we should be proud of? Yes, males or society as a whole will have to find ways to channel all our energies, but the introduction of much greater numbers of women into the workforce and positions of power simply can’t be seen as a negative – unless we want to start sending our young men to ritualised slaughter on a regular basis again?

Moving towards a less violent mode of civilisation will take centuries, if we can survive that long. How we do so, without reverting back to the warlike past, now enhanced with the potential for complete destruction, is the task we’re all faced with. Hankering after old ways, for both men and women, is neither helpful or acheivable.

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James Kirk
James Kirk
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

See my Vikings above. Idle young men with no prospects or discipline turn against their own societies. There are no New Worlds left for them and no new .factories being built

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  James Kirk

I agree there are no New Worlds for Vikings or their modern equivalent to conquer, apart from space but that’s going to be far into the future.
However, should we as a species make it into the wider cosmos, if we do so on a warlike “conquering” footing we’ll be wiped out by the first more advanced civilisation we encounter. So the move towards a less belligerent stance is very much needed, and what’s being negatively described as “feminisation” is simply part of that process. Of course it’ll cause ructions in the short term until young men in particular learn to adapt. I see no downside to trying to do so.

Last edited 1 year ago by Steve Murray
Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  James Kirk

I agree there are no New Worlds for Vikings or their modern equivalent to conquer, apart from space but that’s going to be far into the future.
However, should we as a species make it into the wider cosmos, if we do so on a warlike “conquering” footing we’ll be wiped out by the first more advanced civilisation we encounter. So the move towards a less belligerent stance is very much needed, and what’s being negatively described as “feminisation” is simply part of that process. Of course it’ll cause ructions in the short term until young men in particular learn to adapt. I see no downside to trying to do so.

Last edited 1 year ago by Steve Murray
Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

Patriachy has not served us well.

Rob N
Rob N
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

And the alternative is? The Matriarchy as now with women in charge of schooling, universities and, generally, the Culture?

George Venning
George Venning
1 year ago
Reply to  Rob N

The opposite of a Patriarchy is not a Matriarchy but a Fraternity. Germaine Greer may not have coined that observation but she was making it as far back as the Female Eunuch.

In the transition to a matriarchy, we merely change the identity of those at the top of the pyramid, leaving the structure unaltered. In moving to a fraternity, we must create more egalitarian structures.

George Venning
George Venning
1 year ago
Reply to  Rob N

The opposite of a Patriarchy is not a Matriarchy but a Fraternity. Germaine Greer may not have coined that observation but she was making it as far back as the Female Eunuch.

In the transition to a matriarchy, we merely change the identity of those at the top of the pyramid, leaving the structure unaltered. In moving to a fraternity, we must create more egalitarian structures.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

Could you please explain further?

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

There is no such thing.

Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

Not sure such ever existed. The partnerships between the man up front with a woman behind him pushing or guiding has worked quite well. The combination of a male and female mind have served us well.

Rob N
Rob N
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

And the alternative is? The Matriarchy as now with women in charge of schooling, universities and, generally, the Culture?

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

Could you please explain further?

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

There is no such thing.

Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

Not sure such ever existed. The partnerships between the man up front with a woman behind him pushing or guiding has worked quite well. The combination of a male and female mind have served us well.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

Neither of the wars you mention would have kicked off without the support of women

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago

Even Adolph WON on the women’s vote!

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago

Even Adolph WON on the women’s vote!

James Kirk
James Kirk
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

See my Vikings above. Idle young men with no prospects or discipline turn against their own societies. There are no New Worlds left for them and no new .factories being built

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

Patriachy has not served us well.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

Neither of the wars you mention would have kicked off without the support of women

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
1 year ago

I replied to your comment but my reply has not appeared. I have no idea why. Self indulgence is not the same as acting out of the self in the Jungian sense. Self control is not repression. Repression refers to aspects of self which are not acknowledged and are confined to the unconscious. True motives are denied and the denier is unaware of the duplicity. To actually know oneself as the Delphic oracle advised takes a lifetime. To be true to oneself, one must first know oneself. Aspects of self which are repressed form the shadow. A whole person is one who has incorporated their shadow into consciousness and acknowledges their true motives. Jung believed those who acknowledge their own shadow would be less likely to support a regime like the one in Germany in the 1930s. Strange wording I know but I am trying to ensure the comment appears.

Last edited 1 year ago by Aphrodite Rises
Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago

Well said, and I know what you mean about comments disappearing!! That and the confusing voting. Why it can’t just be a simple up and own vote only Unheard knows.

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

The comment reappeared briefly twice which means it was probably flagged twice as well as initially censored. It is a form of censorship exercised by certain Unherd readers. I did email Unherd months ago and suggest upvotes and downvotes be recorded separately rather than subtracting downvotes from upvotes. I think it would be interesting to identify the most controversial comment. Your comment has been downvoted so I will cancel it with an upvote.

Last edited 1 year ago by Aphrodite Rises
Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
1 year ago

Thank you for explaining the Jungian perspective, which is actually the underlying theme of the article. No idea, why something so insightful is flagged.
I agree with you that there should be two categories under the comments : up and down votes, and no flagging, as this beats the purpose of free speech. Please #UnHerd note!

Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
1 year ago

Thank you for explaining the Jungian perspective, which is actually the underlying theme of the article. No idea, why something so insightful is flagged.
I agree with you that there should be two categories under the comments : up and down votes, and no flagging, as this beats the purpose of free speech. Please #UnHerd note!

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

Agreed. That was well put

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
1 year ago