There will be no Republican Rishi Sunak (Simon Walker)

Here in America, the most surprising storyline in the Conservative Partyâs latest psychodrama is the fact that Rishi Sunak has emerged from it. It is impossible to imagine someone like him being chosen to lead the Republican Party, Americaâs closest equivalent to the Tories â impossible because Sunak describes himself as a proud Hindu.
Sunak doesnât eat beef and has a statue of the Indian god Ganesh sitting on his desk. When he was sworn in as an MP in 2017, he placed his hand on the Bhagavad Gita. Such an openly Hindu candidate would have zero chance of leading todayâs GOP. This is not because America is more intolerant than Britain, or even because the Republican Party is more intolerant than the Tory Party. Itâs because the GOP is far more intolerant religiously.
If you doubt that an openly Hindu â or, for that matter, an openly Muslim or Buddhist candidate â would have no chance of leading todayâs Republican Party, consider this. Although Hindus constitute roughly the same percentage of Americaâs population as they do Britainâs, thereâs not a single Hindu Republican member of Congress. Last year, the Pew Research Center noted that of the 261 Republicans in the House and Senate, 258 are Christian, two are Jewish and one doesnât list their religious affiliation. (The two Hindus, two Buddhists, and three Muslims who currently serve in Congress are all Democrats.) By contrast, two of the Conservative Partyâs most prominent figures â Sunak and former Home Secretary, Priti Patel â have both spoken about their Hindu faith. Patelâs successor, Suella Braverman, is a practising Buddhist.
I have specifically identified Sunak, Patel, and Braverman by their religion, not their ethnicity. Iâm not arguing that Republicans donât elect politicians of South Asian descent. They do. Bobby Jindal served for eight years as governor of Louisiana before seeking the Republican presidential nomination in 2016. Nikki Haley, who spent six years as governor of South Carolina, is often touted as a future GOP presidential contender.
But thereâs a critical difference between Sunak, Patel, and Braverman on the one hand, and Jindal and Haley on the other: the Americans converted to Christianity. They also both took on Americanised first names. Thatâs their right, of course. Iâm not suggesting that Jindal and Haleyâs faith is insincere. But given how central Christianity is to Republican political identity, itâs unlikely either would have enjoyed political success without converting. After all, according to Pew, 53% of conservative Republicans say being Christian is an important part of being truly American.
None of this is to say that the GOP isnât capable of racial and ethnic inclusion. Jindal and Haley were popular with grassroots Republicans, as were Ben Carson and Marco Rubio. Mayra Flores, a Mexican-American woman elected earlier this year from South Texas, is the congressional GOPâs newest star. But itâs almost always a shared conservative Christianity that allows white Republicans to embrace Black, Hispanic, or Asian candidates. And this means conservative Christianity, which can foster racial and ethnic inclusion, can foster religious exclusion at the same time.
Nor does the GOPâs Christian identity exclude all non-Christians equally. Because many conservative Christians are philo-semitic â as evidenced by their use of the phrase âJudeo-Christianâ to describe American civilisation â Jewish politicians can prosper in todayâs GOP so long as they express ardent admiration for the Christian Right. Josh Mandel offered a fascinating case study in how thatâs done when he sought the Republican nomination for Senate earlier this year in Ohio. In an advertisement this spring, Mandel declared that his grandmother was âsaved from the Nazis by a network of courageous Christians. Without their faith, Iâm not here todayâ. His campaign website featured a cross and an American flag.
Mandel declared himself both proudly Jewish â his children attend an orthodox Jewish school â and fervently pro-Christian. And had Trump not endorsed his opponent, J.D. Vance, he would most probably be the Republican nominee for Senate. For Muslim Republican candidates, however, proudly asserting your own faith isnât an option. While 94% of Republicans would vote for a Jew for president, according to Gallup, only 38% would vote for a Muslim. This means that in the rare cases in which Muslim Republicans run for office, they have to do more than praise Christianity. They have to virtually adopt it themselves.
Take the case of Mehmet Oz, the Republican nominee for Senate in Pennsylvania. In a statement on his religious identity earlier this year, Oz wrote that he âwas raised as a secular Muslimâ, leaving open the question of whether he remains a Muslim today. He then added that his wife âis a Christian who attended seminary and whose mother is an ordained minister. We raised our four children as Christians and beamed with joy watching them and our four grandchildren become baptised.â In other words: donât worry, Islam is in my past â my family is Christian now. When Barry Goldwater, who identified as Christian despite having a Jewish father, won the Republican presidential nomination in 1964, a Jewish wag quipped: âI always knew the first Jewish president of the United States would be an Episcopalian.â Thatâs no longer true for Jews, but in the GOP it remains true for politicians like Oz, Jindal, and Haley. Conservative Christians will overlook your non-Christian background so long as you jettison that faith in favour of theirs.
Iâm not claiming thereâs no religious bias in the UK. Given the Islamophobia stoked by the âwar on terrorâ, the British scholar H.A Hellyer has suggested, in a now-deleted tweet, that itâs easier to be an openly Hindu Tory politician than an openly Muslim one. Thatâs an important caveat. But the Tories still arenât as Islamophobic as the GOP, a party whose voters largely supported Donald Trumpâs call to ban all Muslims from entering the country.
In fact, when it comes to religious tolerance, the Tories have more in common with the Democrats. The reason has to do with British society. In recent decades, the British population has become far less hegemonically Christian. A 2018 study found that only 38% of Brits now identify as Christian, while 10% identify with other religions and a remarkable 52% identify with no religion at all. In the US, secularisation has been growing rapidly as well, but with a sharp partisan tilt: according to a 2020 Pew Research Center poll, only 52% of Democrats now identify as Christian, compared to 79% of Republicans.
And so today, the Democratic Party, like both of Britainâs major parties, is so religiously pluralistic that itâs willing to elect candidates who donât identify as Christian or even âJudeo-Christianâ; its supporters are now half as likely as Republicans to say being Christian is important to being âtruly Americanâ . This is because most Democrats have divorced Americanism from Christianity â which explains why many of them voted for a culturally Jewish but essentially secular presidential candidate, Bernie Sanders.
Itâs for that same reason that most would vote comfortably for Kamala Harris, who describes her religious identity as syncretic. As Harris explained: âMy mother, an immigrant from India, instilled the same idea in me on trips to Hindu temples. And Iâve also seen it reflected in the Jewish traditions and celebrations I now share with my husband, Doug. From all of these traditions and teachings, Iâve learned that faith is not only something we express in church and prayerful reflection, but also in the way we live our lives, do our work and pursue our respective callings.â
That kind of answer â spiritual but not exclusively Christian â is acceptable in todayâs Democratic Party. But itâs unlikely to find favour among Republicans, who canât embrace Christian nationalism and religious diversity at the same time. That is why there will be no Republican Rishi Sunak â and that is why, at least in this respect, Republicans are still living decades in the past.
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A version of this piece first appeared on Peterâs Substack: The Beinart Notebook.
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SubscribeThis guy is nuts and if you don’t believe me just head on over to his Substack page and start clicking on random articles. To him, everyone who disagrees with him is some kind of “ist” and he does not have anything nice to say about those who do not fit his worldview.
”Although Hindus constitute roughly the same percentage of Americaâs population as they do Britainâs,”
”As of 2019, about 2.7 million Indian immigrants resided in the United States.” In Uk there are reported 1.5 Million Indian USA has 5 times the population. Thus UK has over 2.5 the number as USA, or 250% More per population.. Then UK has another 1.5 Million from the rest of the ex-colony of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh which also effect London and UK culturally.
‘Indian’ and ‘Hindu’ are not synonymous. Counting ‘Indians’ and adding in Pakistan and Bangladesh – both explicitly Muslim from their foundation, doesn’t increase the Hindu population of the UK. Sorry Aaron, but you don’t get it at all.
There are a percentage of Indian christians in the Uk but I wouldn’t take a guess on how many.
True but %79.8 (or 4 out of every 5 ) of India’s people are Hindu so they are the vast majority in India so while technically not true it’s not that inaccurate either to say India is a Hindu nation.
Unfortunately, India was not declared as Hindu country, when British partitioned India on the basis of religion.
India and Hindu are one and the same. In India there are Hindus and there were Hindus. The invasion and conversion have created the so called difference.
Yes. I am happy to vote for a Hindu but not a Muslim.
“…and that is why, at least in this respect, Republicans are still living decades in the past.” What a truly brilliant observation by Mr. Beinart. After decades, people who vote Republican still haven’t become Democrats! Who would have thunk it.
Your sarcasm seems to be aimed at the writer stating the obvious: that Republicans arenât Democrats. (Am I right?). But the fact is that by holding onto their religious view of America, and consequently the world, Republican are binding themselves to the past and unable to adjust to modern ideas of life and meaning, which translates into values, which translates into views of others. So their policies become more reflexive, less accomodating. The Democrats feel that theyâve moved on. But the Democrats, while ditching such strict orthodoxy have replaced it with an equally strict and debilitating orthodoxy. Which suggests that theyâre moved by the same religious strains as Republicans, which seems to be typically American. In the end theyâre all Puritans.
theyâre [Dems] moved by the same religious strains as Republicans,
Not at all. Dems have embraced the new religion of global warming, diversity for its own sake, equity (equal outcomes regardless of performance), and inclusion ( all moral codes are equal). Republicans are moved by âdo unto others âŠâ and a strong belief in a higher power. A Hindu who embraces those ethics would be very welcome, although a lot of teaching would be needed since our education system and media are so terrible.
i will agree that a great many conservatives would prefer that candidates adhere to A religious belief. For an overwhelming number this will be Christian. However I reject the general premise that Republicans still bind themselves to Christianity. We Americans do have a Puritanical streak The contradictions are becoming as apparent to modern Republicans as they did for 18th century Brits.
Exactly. A significant percentage of the Democrats are engaged in a kind of recrudescent religious puritanism whose psychological roots are indistinguisable from that of the original Puritans. The words are irrelevant.
Actually Brett, I think Beinart missed the obvious, rather than stating it. That’s because he takes it as read, that the ‘moving on’ inherent in the ‘Democrat’ stance on the cultural/social issues du jour, is a superior adaptation. But, as your comment intimates, the deep human instinct for shared ideals and rituals, has merely morphed into the ersatz, febrile religion of Woke. A church with a solid grip within the virtual world, but with barely a toe in the real one.
As a conservative Republican, I really resent some entitled jerk from NYC telling me who I’ll vote for. Would I vote for a Hindu over a Christian? Sure, if the Hindu was more qualified for the office, not just because he was a Hindu. Get out of your little liberal bubble, bubbeleh, and find out what the people in the big empty space west of the Hudson have to say. You might be — no, you will be surprised.
…Thomas, I think your comment is one for the author, Peter Beinart, not me ! I’m on your side for sure !!
Even crazies can be right sometimes. I was born, raised, and lived in upstate New York. Until three years ago, when we moved to Kentucky, I too would have thought the author wrong.
Not now. Christianity, particularly the fundamentalist, protestant variety, rules here. The biggest tourist attractions in my area are the Ark Encounter and the Creation Museum. The fundamentalist churches are huge and filled to overflowing on Sundays. They use police for traffic control. Not only are non-Christian religions sparse, even Catholics have to endure lawn signs reminding them of their errors of faith and affiliation. Reglion is not injected into politics because politics are already suffused by it.
There may be religious tolerance but I wouldn’t bet on it when it comes to elections.
Why is it that biblical Christians are the only segment of people on earth that are eschewed for their faith? And what about biblical Christianity is so radical to cause fear in people? Every other faith and lifestyle is upheld, celebrated and paraded with pride, yet Christians are to be silent and ashamed? Most biblical Christians I know, including myself, would give their life to keep our country free. I doubt the same would occur from the atheist left.
And what about loving your neighbor is so horrible?
“If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.”
It is Jesus they hate and anyone who follows Him. Could that now be the problem for Britain?
Religion hasnât played an important role in Britain for a very long time. Even amongst my grandparents (who would be nudging a century if they were still around) none of them or any of their friends ever went to church. It has been a minority pursuit for a century.
Britain has many problems, but religion fading into the background isnât one of them
That’s a good question for your fellow Christians. Why do they hate so many others besides “biblical Christians”? And which bible is that by the way? The original Aramaic? Because that would be the closest to Christ’s words, wouldn’t it?
English translations of the Bible are all based on sources written in Greek for the New Testament and Greek and Hebrew for the Old. Although Aramaic was the spoken language at the time and in the place of Jesus’ time on earth, it was not the language of the earliest sources for Bible translation.
There is an irreconcilable conflict between “go and sin no more” (the credo of Jesus) and “if it feels good, do it” (the credo of the world today.)
Exactly. But Christ predicted this response to his disciples. And with the possible exception of the era of Christendom, it has ere been so.
John, as a life-long Kentuckian I fully understand why a New Yorker would be shocked by the intensity of the Christian presence in the state. It has a long history of being poor, rural and a refuge for religious dissidents. Churches helped with health, education & community support when more secular organizations abandoned them. There is far more religious tolerance than you can see. For most religion is a private matter. BTW, agrarian societies know that corn & horses are raised. Humans are reared.
John, your old New York neighbors were fundamentalist too. Their biggest attractions were opera, indie movies, and art galleries. They all had “Hate isn’t welcome here” signs in their yard. And I’m betting they mostly voted for secular progressives who agreed with them. They would have hesitated greatly to vote for a loud and proud, new evangelism, Catholic even for dogcatcher.
Your new neighbors are also fundamentalist. They go to church, NASCAR and country music concerts. They have crosses in their yards. And they mostly vote for fellow Christians who share their values. They would hesitate to vote for a “loud and proud” atheist.
It isn’t that you’ve moved from the enlightened world to a dark and suspicious one. It’s that you share the basic worldview of your former neighbors, so your new neighbors feel weird and different, which you interpret as backward.
The actual behavior of both groups is the same. You just don’t recognize the first’s fundamentalism because you believe that to be “normal”. When it comes to their deepest convictions about the world, everyone’s a fundamentalist.
Bingo! It never ceases to amaze me that left wing secularists donât realize that they have faith/religious beliefs just as much as devout Christians, Jews, or whatever. Theirs is in the myth of progress, Gaia, and that whatever they choose to be reality IS reality, at least for today.
Read John Gray. In a lot of his work he highlights exactly what you are saying: faith/belief exists everywhere, although so called ‘progressives’ would have you believe otherwise about themselves.
Are there really anti-Catholic yard signs in Kentucky? What do they actually say?
And in Haley’s case at least she did not “Americanize” her name. ‘Nikki’ is her middle name and it’s a Punjabi word that means ‘little one.’ She says that’s what her parents have always called her.
His title speaks for its self, deinfately a member of the “isms’ crowd. He is the editor at large at Jewish Currents and my experience with Jews is they either see it as their faith (something they believe in) or their religious zeal and when they tend to push ideas like “Conservatives would never elect a Hindu” it gives leverage more to the later than teh former. Very much like “America would never elect a black man as president” crowd and just like them if Conservatives did elect someone of teh Hindu faith you can bet Peter here would never admit to having been wrong about that.
This drivel should be on Salon, not on Unherd.
Peter Beinkop (Bonehead) is an idiot of epic proportions and I’m rather shocked that Unherd would offer him space to spout his nonsense. He clearly sees himself as a great thinker who ought to be listened to but doesn’t have the intelligence or insight to write a column for a high school newsletter. He thinks everyone but he is a failure, is intolerant of other views, and his writings are a caricature of liberalism. A short look at his output confirms that.
What a pile of nonsense. This is like how the swing voters who voted in Obama twice were suddenly racists for voting for Donald Trump.
define racist please?
Anyone who disagrees with any policy of the left.
good start!
There is a good reason why the obviously biased piece focuses on a) religion and b) in the context of presidency.
Because, firstly, Democrats are far more racist, openly when it comes to non victim races (they don’t care or do much for victim races as well, but that’s more hidden and guised as “help”).
And secondly, Democrats are also much more bigoted when it comes to Hindu religion. That’s why this author focuses on the presidency – because Christian Republicans might be less open to non Christians in this role, not because they are”evil” but because they see the US as a land guided on Christian principles. Their land, their rules, and they Democrats don’t seem very fussed about far worse that happens to minority religions in practically every Islamic nation.
But – here is the catch – Democrats are not only more racist against Indians, they are also much more bigoted against Hindus. Note the rhetoric against Tulsi, or the foul hatred for Hinduism that emanates from their ranks.
The fact that the author is still repeating the outright lie that Trump tried to “ban all Muslims from entering the country” shows he is deranged enough to not take seriously..
“If you doubt that an openly Hindu â or, for that matter, an openly Muslim or Buddhist candidate â would have no chance of leading todayâs Republican Party, consider this. Although Hindus constitute roughly the same percentage of Americaâs population as they do Britainâs, thereâs not a single Hindu Republican member of Congress.”
Unless Hindus are running for congress and not being voted in this is completely irrelevant. Are they running? What are the stats for how many Hindus ran but didn’t get picked/voted in?
Since playing by the authors rules, we’re just throwing out wild speculation, I’d say the lack of representation in the GOP is equally likely to be down to the fact that the left has created a very successful campaign of ‘othering’ any minority that doesn’t follow the Democrat line. You’re not a real [insert minority group here] if you don’t vote Democrat.
Labour are desperately trying to import that rhetoric here too, look at how much veiled racism has been thrown at Sunak this week from the self proclaimed “anti-racists”, that would put a lot of people off entering politics.
Funnily enough, while banning a handful of muslim countries (out of dozens, missing out the largest ones), based on a list of terror stares prepared by Obama is a “muslim ban” ( why weren’t there any non muslim terror states I wonder).
But attempts to reduce tech visas from India – practically the sole Hindu nation in the world – was not a “Hindu ban” as per the Democrats. I am not suggesting that’s the case, of course, as any idiot could tell you both efforts had nothing to do with religion. But tells you a lot who are the real bigots against Hinduism in the US.
And wasnât it the current POTUS and titular head of the Dems the one who said, âIf youâre not voting for me, youâre NOT BLACK!?â
The UK compared to the USA in this way is impossible, it is an entirely false equivalence. The USA is less than 250 years old. America in terms of containing any Europeans at all is not even as old as The East India Company (1600).
Britain has been as close to India as it is possible to be for two countries several thousand miles apart (Rishi Sunak’s parents were born in Africa and Tanganyika but are of Punjabi descent).
British and Indians frequently married and there are thousands of Anglo-Indians, nothing to do with Rishi Sunak’s ancestry as far as I know but it illustrates the UK’s close personal ties with India. The Indian Army fought alongside the British in both World Wars from early on.
The USA and the UK are two different countries with two very different histories.
Not quite true Iâm afraid. The Spaniards were established in St Augustine, Florida by 1565.
Fair enough, but I don’t think that interferes too much with the gist of my argument.
(Fancy me forgetting the Spanish, apologies to any out there.)
No it doesnât detract from your argument.
You might have gone further and stated that many of the first English settlers in the 17th century were actually religious loonies who we were well rid off!The so called Pilgrim Fathers for example.
Incidentally it would have been rather odd to say the least if the Indian Army had NOT fought alongside us in both World Wars. It was after all our creation, and we were the ruling power on the sub-continent at that time, as you may recall.
In response to your first paragraph, I would never say that because it is both rude and incorrect. The settlers may have been hopeful dreamers but they were sincere in their faith, as am I.
Re: your second paragraph, that’s as maybe but it is still courteous to acknowledge the Indian Army’s enthusiastic and valuable contribution.
The established Church of the time, the Church of England regarded them as such, and I think it is unhelpful to retro-fit your own personal prejudices onto this subject.
In reality although the Indian Army was âenthusiasticâ and provided a âvaluable contributionâ it was notorious for frequently mutinying, but NOT off course as bad as the Royal Indian Navy.
I will just point out in case anyone should be misled by what you have said, that the Indian Army was a volunteer army, there was no conscription. A number of VCs and GCs were awarded in both wars. 70,000 men were killed in action WWI, 87,000 in WWII, thousands more died in German and Japanese prison camps.
These were brave men.
As for my “personal prejudices”, that’s a bit rich considering the content of your last 2 comments.
Calm down, I did not cast any aspersions on the courage of the Indian Army, nor deny the fact that it was an all volunteer force did I?
I did however state that both they and the Royal Indian Navy had a propensity for mutiny. That is established fact NOT my personal prejudice or do you deny these facts?
My castigation of your personal prejudices was to do with your rather blatant religiosity, with reference to âSalem Witch huntersâ and their ilk.
I’m perfectly calm Charles, I’m enjoying myself, just responding to your comments with some facts rather than opinions.
Here’s another one : the word “loonie” or loony is of fairly recent american origin, the Church of England definitely did not consider the Pilgrim fathers “loonies”.
I do dispute your use of the word “propensity for mutiny” applied to the Indian Army, yes. The only two I know of are the Singapore Mutiny of 1915 – a confused business still argued about by historians today – and The Royal Indian Navy Mutiny of 1946, which was over Indian independence. The British Army mutinied more often that that and they are not “notorious for their propensity to mutiny”.
Iâm very glad to hear it!
Stop being so pedantic, as much of this audience is American it is quite acceptable to lapse into their vernacular and as such use the term âloonieâ.
However to appease you and in the spirit of good will I shall in future refer to them as non-conformists, as the contemporary CoE did.
You do not need to appease me, you are free to hold whatever opinions you like, but I am also free to disagree and put forward an argument.
Good will always from me also.
âGood will always from me alsoâ.
I give up. What is the MISSING word?
Poor syntax, weâre you State educated by any chance?
If so, my sincere commiserations, and if perchance I am incorrect and you were educated privately you should sue now, whilst you still have the chance.
All the very best.
Havenât you forgotten the Great Mutiny 1857-8?
There were others and I shall get back to you in due course.
In the meantime could you enlighten me on the âmoreâ numerous British Army mutinies?
Finally so we agree the Royal Indian Navy did mutiny. Why, is NOT a point of issue here.
I followed this line for awhile, but really couldn’t because Mr. Stanhope kept moving from the original subject. Claire D should just say “gotcha” and move on (unless, of course, she really is finding this entertaining). Neither of them cares, of course, but I will be moving on.
The original subject was Ms Claireâs somewhat inaccurate description of the colonisation of the US.
We then had a short discussion on the merits or otherwise of the Indian Army, and religious loonies (US ones), so what is there to whinge about? But thank you for your comment.
Agree Mr Stanhopes interjections are not constructive, I think it is he who is being pedantic, but Claire – fully enjoying you wiping the floor with him, I encourage you to keep going.
Oh come off it!
Sheâs or perhaps itâs he, is a classic God botherer!
Claire is putting forward an argument without lapsing into a personal attack on your syntax or education though, when you do that, it makes your argument look weak – like you’ve run out of valid argument.
Enquiring about her education and describing her as a God bothererâ (which she candidly admits) is hardly a âpersonal attackâ!
What wrong with you, are you in âloveâ with her?
Anyway please donât think me rude, but the Ovaltine beckons and I must finish here. Until tomorrow then and thanks for the âsportâ.
And rather in rapid order as history goes weâre pushed out by the British, and then by American colonistsâŠ.
âWeâ didnât âpushâ the Spaniards out until 1763, and were then rapidly ejected in our turn in 1783.
I would also argue that we were NOT pushed out by the American colonists (rebels) but by the combined military might of France, Spain and the Netherlands, not to mention the âArmed Neutrality of Katherine the Great & Co
We appreciated their help, of course, but it was Americans who really did push you folks out. When General Lincoln took Cornwallis surrender and was asked for his credentials he pointed at the assembled American soldiers and said, “These are my credentials”. Just so.
Nonsense, you couldnât have done it without them!
Incidentally wasnât it actually OâHara who made the surrender and NOT Cornwallis?
Are you still going? I name your high horse Superiority Complex.
Well you are!
But really we ought be thinking of getting âtucked upâ with a warm cup of Ovaltine should we not?
Couldn’t resist, one thing we have in common I suppose. I think your problem is best described – ‘Someone’s been on the Ovaltine!’
If only it were!
Have your Ovaltine and leave that horse in the stable tomorrow.
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They were only there but their main influence was south America eventually which split into many countires whilst the USA area became one.
Presumably by âtheyâ do you mean the Spaniards.
In which case werenât they also in California,Texas,Arizona, and even Louisiana for a little, weâre they not?
Presumably you also know the Russians were also deep into California at one stage?
Thanks for the first sensible reply to this piece â the first that didnât boil down to âthe man said something bad about a group that my enemies dislike and so now Iâm furiousâ.
Islamophobia (fear of Islam) was not âstoked by the war on terrorâ. It was stoked by Islamic terrorism
Sure, but it probably also has something to do with the religious, Muslim vs Christian wars over the last millennia – in which both sides demonstrated plenty of savagery, bigotry, particularly, it has to be admitted the European Christians. Early Islamic culture was a bastion of open mindedness, whilst Europe mostly took the form of vicious small-minded fiefdoms/theocracies. For some though, history began on Plymouth Rock in 1620.
I agree with this point, and it’s important, and factually correct, not sure why so many down votes?
It’s emotional fragility of people who are not used to critiques and open inquiry.
As a non-US citizen, I read this article expecting some interesting political insight, but any insight contained here is smothered with thinly-veiled ethnic grievance.
Itâs more than political insight, itâs cultural insight.
Expecting ANY insight from Peter Bonehead is a mug’s game.
I have one word after this drivel: HOGWASH.
If you don’t know what that means, you aren’t an American.
What an ignorant buffoon.
Do you think the Republicans would vote in a Hindu as leader?
Getting downvoted for asking a question?
Everyone thinks a question is rhetorical.
Iâll answer my own question then. I tend to agree with the author in that I donât believe the Republican Party would elect anybody who didnât loudly proclaim to be a Christian. I believe the Democrats would but for the wrong reasons. Theyâd elect them to show how âprogressiveâ they are rather than on merit
Theyâre both shackled by their own dogma.
The Dems are. Not sure about the Republicans.
True. Reading comments on here on any subject regarding the States I can see why. The Americans appear to have a much more binary view of the world, especially their politics it seems to be an all or nothing endeavour, good vs evil etc. Whereas the UKs politics is a history of fudges and compromise (the Church of England for example being a kind of amalgamation of the two to try and keep the peace after Bloody Mary), the Americans seem to view that as weakness. Maybe itâs their Puritan past still affecting the attitudes I donât know
In Europe there is more of a culture of not making claims about things that youn don’t understand, not overstepping your expertise, whereas in the States there is a postmodern ‘everyone’s voice is equally valid’. Schools are oriented around building confidence for it’s own sake – minimise criticism and stress, maximise boostering. Result – stupid and ignorant Americans are much more vocal, shameless, in pursuing unthought-through feelies – hence the cults, shootings, narcissism, and many other examples of extreme acting out.
I actually think America has much to answer for, the wmds that didn’t exist, complete debacle in Afghanistan, financial sub prime mortgage crisis 2008 American elites are funding the blm, stop oil protests and extinction rebellion in the uk, we don’t want it! Uk should quit being Americas b***h, it’s finished. If we’re not careful, it’s going to take Europe down with it. We need to resist US decoupling policy with China, it is solely to benefit the US. They are selling LNG to Europe at four times the cost it sells to its own market, hardly friendly co-operation.
Among Republicans, the most popular Democrat in America today (well, ex-Democrat becuase she just left) is Tulsi Gabbard. There were lots of Republicans who wanted to vote for her in 2000 over Trump. Tulsi Gabbard is a Hindu.
So, would Republicans rally to a Hindu? Not only would they, they did.
Feigning admiration for a more conservative member of the opposition is completely different to choosing her as your leader
She wasn’t available as their leader since she was a Democrat at the time. I did hear conservative friends say “Tulsi makes sense, but she’s pro-abortion so I couldn’t vote for her.” But I never heard “…but she’s Hindu and that worries me” or anything even vaguely similar.
That implies republican voters thought Trump was a Christian, loudly proclaimed. That’s a ridiculous assumption.
I upvoted to get rid of the down vote, a question is just that. I have been downvoted for asking questions before, apparently some people just don’t like particular questions to be asked
far too intelligent, skilled, able… Trump is the living opposite of an Indian Hindu, not that he would even know what one was! As for Sir Niall de Mentia currently in charge, he can’t even pronounce our PM’s name !! well done Jim Boden…
What I miss in all this is that the Church of England seems to have become a social club that is not serious about believing anything in particular, so it’s no wonder it embraces exotic religions; this was most amusingly brought out in the “Yes, Prime Minister” series of the 1980s; see “The Bishop’s Gambit”. America’s equivalent is its Episcopal church, which has degenerated to being just one of the country’s dying, shrinking “mainstream” protestant churches: the Presbyterians, the Methodists, most Lutheran denominations, and of course the Unitarians, all of whom have abandoned the Bible for the latest Woke fads — and are vanishing as a result. In contrast, what is keeping American Christianity strong is its diversity, but not the Democrats’ Diversity, which is only skin deep. Sooo – when you come right down to it, the writer is totally in favor of an unserious Christianity, and is hoping that all of America’s Christians would go that way — sort of like his own Reform Judaism.
Spot on.
Peter Beinart is Editor-at-Large at Jewish Currents, author of the Beinart Notebook on Substack, and a stunningly stupid grievance monger.
FIFY!
Yay! Nailed it!
Beautifully put!
Voting for people based on their self-expressed religious beliefs is entirely appropriate. In theory, religion articulated your deepest convictions about the world, about God, about the nature of man, about man’s duty to his fellow man… in short, about almost everything philosophically important about someone.
If I had to choose between evaluating someone’s policy positions based on their campaign website or evaluating what was regularly taught in their church for the last decade, I know which one I would pick.
I am a Christian (but not a Republican). However, I would almost always vote for a Muslim or a Buddhist or a Hindu over a atheistic, secular humanist. This guy is just projecting. I doubt he even knows any actual Republicans or conservatives.
I’d never really thought of voting on that basis before. But you’re probably right. I’d place more trust in a person who relied on rational, evidence-based thought than someone who consulted sky pixies or outsourced their convictions to some other illogical, faith-based philosophy.
So I guess our votes will simply cancel each other out at the next election.
Typical Dem. “Sky pixies”? Lacking a rational argument, you resort to mudslinging in its stead.
Which is why Tony Blair did not convert to Catholic until after he left office, politics and religeon do not mix.
My point exactly, Mike. People should vote for those who share their values, and evaluating someone’s church and religious commitments is a great way to do that.
You keep voting for secular technocrats and I’ll keep voting for people who love their neighbor as themselves.
Faith is not illogical. The faithless who console themselves with logic know nothing of either.
If that means you think Beinkop relies on rational, evidence based thought, I have this very nice bridge……
Your opinion is a popular one, or at least was in 2012. A Gallup poll’s results had atheists being the least popular “religious” group when voting for a presidential candidate.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/155285/atheists-muslims-bias-presidential-candidates.aspx
How well does that prescription apply to Obama, I wonder (non-rhetorically)?
As long as we’re on the subject of religion, what is the objective rationale for implying that Britain is somehow superior to the US because it will elect a religious minority to high office? How does one prove this claim objectively? Of course that’s not how this exercise works. The author is treating diversity and religious tolerance as a priori good without proof and we’re supposed to nod along and perhaps shout “Amen” at opportune moments. Trading religious values for trendy new ideas like ‘diversity’ doesn’t make one less religious, it just replaces one religion with another, one with even flimsier justifications. I don’t know and can’t prove whether God exists. Such things are questions of personal faith. I do know and can prove that all the modern values that the secularists have attempted to promulgate are demonstrably manufactured ideas, created by men for the presumable purpose of manipulating behavior on a large scale to suit the interests of a ruling class (in this case neoliberal globalists), which is exactly what so many accuse religion of being. The truly areligious and amoral position would be that only the results matter, and if a country with a highly religious bent only elects people of a particular faith and is materially more successful, then that country must have the superior approach. Almost nobody, including myself, would really want to follow that rabbit hole all the way to its logical endpoint, so we’re probably better off arguing unprovable faith assumptions until the end of time, whether or not we have the courage and awareness to name them so. Such is the limited nature of mankind.
… what is the objective rationale for implying that Britain is somehow superior to the US because it will elect a religious minority to high office? […] The author is treating diversity and religious tolerance as a priori good without proof and weâre supposed to nod along and perhaps shout âAmenâ at opportune moments.
Yes, I noticed this a priori assumption as well. A sort of default, unexamined, moral righteousness that bathes thinking and pronouncements.
I donât know and canât prove whether God exists.
Well, quite. One cannot prove something does not exist (except logically) but in actuality, the truth of something existing is established by the amount of evidence in its favour. One can make a statement that there is no compelling reason for thinking something does exist.
What counts as “evidence”, and who decides? Some would say the Bible and the existence of several million believers constitute evidence. Our modern thinking tends to dismiss these things as irrelevant because it conflicts with basic assumptions about what is ‘real’ and what is ‘unreal’ and where our knowledge comes from, but those assumptions too are a product of the time and history when and where they first took hold as much as any religion is. The entire idea of the progressive nature of human knowledge is itself unprovable. We cannot now, and never will, escape uncertainty about things like God, truth, etc. Human hubris and fear assure, however, that we’ll certainly keep trying. So, if you were honest, you could amend your statement to say “I see no compelling reason for thinking God exists.” That’s the most you can say without projecting your own assumptions.
Faith is the substance of things not seen and therefore cannot be proved to the unbeliever only to the believer.
I’m secular, but the Covid hysterics completely changed my view on the importance of religion in society.
The most devout followers of the new hygiene based religion were just filling their faith void, the same with all the militant woke.
I have a new respect for religion, and I think we need it in society to tether people to some sort of consistent worldview, if only to hamper political opportunists convincing them 2+2=5.
Those that believe in the Green agenda have no knowledge or regard for science. They have been sucked into a cult whether they like that or not.
Greta Goons.
The benefit of voting for people who believe in God is you know they donât think they are God!
This is my favorite comment today.
“I do know and can prove that all the modern values that the secularists have attempted to promulgate are demonstrably manufactured ideas, created by men for the presumable purpose of manipulating behavior on a large scale to suit the interests of a ruling class “
Great point. One your realize the new “culture war” is just the old “class war” wearing a new coat, things make a lot more sense.
A comment was made that Republicans bind themselves to the past. Democrats are untethered from the past, i.e. the Constitution, and look where that has placed us today.
Quite right; in Britain Prime Ministers are not elected, but America’s Presidents are. (That is, assuming the election was not rigged!)
Was the last one? It certainly looked like that from over here. (UK.)
Still âworse things happen at sea â as we say.
Hasnât the losing side in the States claimed just about every election was fraudulent in some way?
Trump spouted his nonsense with the last one, Clinton blamed the Russians before that. Obama had accusations that he wasnât really American and so was ineligible to stand, Bush had to go through the courts to get his certified etc
‘Americaâs conservatives would never elect a Hindu’
Well, I’m not sure that British conservatives could be said to have elected one either. The party membership chose Truss a couple of months back, in what seems like a different age.
And if Boris had not pulled out at the last minute Sunak would not be the PM but Boris, of course how long that would have lasted is anyones guess.
Yet again he put party before country sadly, but not surprising.
Anyway they have done for themselves, many members have resigned, i would have if i had not already, i certianly will not vote Conservative with this globalists, WEF shill running it.
If the tories keep on associating themselves with WEF and globalism they are finished. Do they actually agree with “You will own nothing and be happy”. If they are naive enough to believe that they are not fit to rule.
And if Boris had not pulled out at the last minute Sunak would not be the PM
Delusional – he pulled out because he could not muster the votes. BJ has many strengths, but his great weakness is that he is a narcissist – he puts no-one and nothing ahead of himself, not country, not party, not family.
Yes, wasn’t he third down the line in this mess?
Britain didn’t vote Sunak in. The Tory MP’s did. The members would not have voted him in.
Could it not be that Hindus are much more integrated into the social fabric of Britain and have a longer and deeper history as well as strong business connections? As a proportion of the population, they are a far bigger chunk of the pie than in the US. I think itâs about a lot more than religion here. The author hasnât drilled down enough to give an insightful analysis of why this couldnât happen in the USAâŠâŠitâs not just religion.
You are correct. Britain has Commonwealth ties with India which goes a long way to explain why there is a Hindi prime minister.
It has a hindu Prime Minister because he avioded going to the membership, where he know he would lose. Hell Sunak lost to Truss of all people, he had no chance against Boris.
He will have his Gordon Brown moment in 2024 or before.
We have to give him the chance that wasn’t given to Truss unfortunately.
One might ask, “Since Clive took India in 1757, what took so long?”
The Indian Mutiny 1857-8, put things back a bit.
Logic and common sense seems to evade this author’s world view.
Republicans are definitely different from our Tories – they have some actual conservatives with a spine in the party and dare i say it “Right wingers” Could just rename this article “Republicans are racist because I said so”
So Republicans only voted Hindu-raised Bobby Jindal in twice as Louisiana governor (2008-16) because he converted to Catholicism? Really?
And then the second Indian-origin governor, also a republican – Nikki Haley.
I guess she doesn’t count in the author’s narrow frame of reference, being a Sikh?
This guy is weird and arrogant. Does he profess to be a prophet? “Conservatives would NEVER elect a Hindu”, followed by dozens of strawmen ‘arguments’. I feel dumber having read this article.
But the MP’s did elect a Hindu.
Well.. there is this:
We hold these truths to be self–evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable…
If you believe It, you’re in. It doesn’t matter what color you are or where you came from-
Well, In America, your religion surely does.
I thought that Americans believed that ” Injuns” were all sorted at Little Big Horn?
As I recall it was the U.S. 7th Cavalry that was sorted at Little Big Horn.
Annihilated is the word I’d have used. Is “sorted” a British euphemism for it?
Understatement, we use it quite a bit.
I like it. Hyperbole is a curse I wince at often.
This is the most bigoted article I have read in recent years. It reflects the Democrat Partyâs policy of slicing and dicing the electorate and then pandering to the âslicesâ. The Democrat panic over some of their âslicesâ beginning to migrate over to The Republican Party because of their untenable ideas – defund the police, high crime levels, excessive spending, inflation, etc – is palpable. The upcoming elections will be revealing to say the least.
define racist please?
You really must know what this word means.
You might as well ask âWhat is truth?â
(John 18:38.)
Jesus?
Pontius Pilate, Roman Prefect of Judea 26-36 AD.
Americans will now ask whether Pontius was a Pan Am or TWA pilate?
Yes, right answer, Jesus is the truth (and the way and the life).
I get tired of those sort of questions. It’s been overplayed for a long time now.
what do YOU think it means?
It had no meaning: tell me how I am wrong?
What will our election, when it comes, reveal I wonder
You know, I have stuck with Unherd now despite the growing avalanche of garbage – such as this article – being written, mostly because of Freddie Sayers frankly and the groundbreaking work he did during the dark days of the pandemic
But this is enough, not paying money to get sent this crap anymore. Unsubscribed, see ya later
I think there are a few of you who are discovering Unherd is not for you, and never was. It’s like Bill Maher – centrist willing to entertain different views, and to call out the excesses of both left and right, but essentially centrist. Breitbart and Fox are safer bets for you I think. Less triggering.
Well said. The last thing most people want is an echo chamber
Yeah I feel it has gone downhill from what it was. Is it helping Britain now? I’m not sure. It seems to want to shock these days for some reason.
we will miss your abominable, illiterate lack of command and ability to use and write of your own language.
Who exactly did “elect” Sunak ?
It wasn’t the the Conservative Party membership.
Sunak’s loyalty is not towards Britain or the British people but to Globalist forces such as the
WEF, the CCP and the UN.
None of that has anything to do with religion.
Exactly, he was elected by a few leftie liberal MP’s. Sunak even lost the last time against Truss of all people. He knew he had to avoid the memebrship at all costs because if it went to the memebrship they would vote for Larry the Downing Street Cat before electing Sunak.
Now this is also Boris’s fault for stepping aside, he knew he had the numbers to win as confirmed to the 1922 commitee, but for some reason he pulled out, because like the rest of them he is more interested in party than serving the people.
He is a globalist useful idiot, he is interested in making money, his family owns infosys, look it up and also look up digital currencies, which he is heavily promoting.
Whatever he does to unite the party will not matter because in 24 months or less, he and they will be gone, very few in the party want him and indeed many members have resigned from the party in the last few days.
He will be having his Gordon Brown moment in the next 24 months thats for sure.
We live in dark godless days.
Try to think about what youâre reading. The article is not about Sunak.
Did I say it was?
Try to think about what you are writing
before you reply.
It partly was. About him being elected compared to the Republican party.
ahh.. another follower of the philosopher Testiclese….
Was he mentioned in Monty Python’s
” Philosopher’s Song” ?
WEF, the CCP and the UN are all globalist organisations who seek to dominate the world by hook or by crook. How can we have an enemy in the top job? We must be crazy.
The reason I subscribe to Unherd and read it is precisely because it does not regurgitate the drivel and the propaganda disseminated in the mainstream media. Peter Beinart is a talking head on CNN and has authored columns in stale progressist media such as the NY Times, Times Magazine, the Atlantic, NYRB or the New Republic. Without surprise, this essay is as indigent as something which could have been published by these sanctimonious publications. This comes two days after an equally hyperventilated progressive sermon by Alison Bashford (Overpopulation isn’t a threat). It’s forgivable, but just don’t make a habit of running such horseshit.
Fourteen paragraphs to say âI am a bigot who hates Republicans and Christians.â Wow, I just renewed my subscription for cr*p like this?
Only rational to regard most Republicans as bigots. The article expressed this truth very clearly.
Perhaps thats just your truth.
I just have to look at Biden and Trump to refute that comment. No comparison.
If we’re ever invaded by a hostile enemy, there will be very few willing to defend our country. Many have come to the UK to avoid defending their own countries. Even the patriots will think “why should I put my life on the line just to save this country for the non-patriots who won’t defend our country?” We may as well open our borders now. Oops … already done!
As a Conservative Christian Republican, I find this article to be ridiculous. Republicans do not label people and divide them based on religion, ethnicity, gender, etc. Thatâs the practice of Democrats and Liberals. I base my vote on who is going to be best for the country. If they are for reducing the power of the federal government, enforcing our border, strong defense, etc. I will support them.
I am unsure exactly what the author considers to be a Republican, a republican, or an American conservative, and one wonders whether he has been to the U.S. or just reads Vox.
The decision to publish anything written by Peter Beinart makes me reconsider by subscription to UnHerd.
Consider this like Cuba. We want to keep it to remind ourselves how horrible communism is. Beinart fills that role.
Itâs totally worthwhile. Itâs exactly what they should be doing. Check the comments out. The marketplace of ideas is alive and well on here without the usual denigration. Bring more of it. We need more talking not less
Much of the talking has been mindless shouting. The commentariat here has been devolving.
Articles like this drive up clicks that translate into advertising dollars.
Actually tulsi gabbard could be a popular candidate for the republicans. She would be monstered by the media though.
She already is.
Beinart – the loony tune the left love to love
Christian nationalists are the most likely to defend religious freedom in the USA. Voters if they are honest know this. The author attempts to finesse this uncomfortable–for democrats, as well as clickbait scribblers that is–fact by claiming that Republicans “can’t embrace both Christian nationalism and religious diversity” at the same time.
But it is indeed presumptuous if not mendacious to state that the need to “embrace diversity” is shared by all Americans. For many the important thing is to protect God-given American freedoms.
Hindus aren’t running for Republican office as far as I can tell but it is almost certainly only a matter of time. The Hindu Americans I know share conservative values, are patriotic and there is nothing at all about them, nor about the Republican party/its voters, that would disqualify them from seeking and holding office. Or has the author never actually spoken to Hindus or Republicans? Which wouldn’t surprise me.
Remember, media hacks also said that blacks and Latinos wouldn’t vote Republican. Then Trump increased his share in these groups in 2020. NY Times writes about so-called police abuse without ever having a single quote from a beat cop, as if they belong to a caste of “untouchables.” Just two examples off the top of my head.
Meanwhile, a different article might have said, “Democrats will never elect an actual Catholic.” How long before witnessing God’s truth is criminal hate speech in the USA?
Does the author think that India or Pakistan would ever elect a Catholic as President?
Or in India’s case a muslim?
It already did. The third President of India, Zakir Hussain, was Muslim, as also the fifth.
India is majority Hindu, but it is a pluralistic society with religious minorities (Sikhs, Muslims, etc) constituting roughly 20% of the population. Indiaâs Congress Party has a tradition of religious neutrality. Pakistan, in contrast, is an officially Muslim nation where religious minorities and suspected apostates and blasphemers are routinely persecuted. Whatever the alleged excesses of India under Modhi and the BJP, there is no equivalence between the two countries.
Does Sonia Gandhi count (is she Catholic enough for you)? And, in your view, are India and Pakistan the peer, yardstick nations to the US?
So Granville gets nine upticks for making a patently, and revealed as false claim…presumably because it fits the readers’ emotional needs, as well as their ignorance. This is the problem with politics today – enlightenment values have been flushed away in preference to primitive passion and emotional indulgence.
If a Hindu ran against Joe Biden every Republican in America would vote for him/her.
âAmerica is the only nation in history which miraculously has gone directly from barbarism to degeneration without the usual interval of civilisation.â
Georges Clemenceau.(1841-1929).
99 per cent of the hicks and internet zombies in US would not know the difference between a Sikh, Hindu or muslim… The country that thinks there are kangaroos in Austria, and that ‘ Yerp’ is one nation.. Geography is not their strong point, so dont get all complicated on ” Asia’ and religion… or ask Pastor Mason-Dixon of the Saint Lynch Chapel, Tennessee?
Americans do not think think that there are kangaroos in Austria.
There are stupid, ingnorant people everywhere on the the globe.
Most people, wherever they come from, do not think for themselves.
âMost people would rather die than think and most of them do!â
B.R.
Americans traditionally were much kinder and friendly than the British.
I think so.
Really?
Certainly not too Native Americans, you damned near exterminated them, African Americans not much better, and recently in the deplorable âBushâ Iraq War no better.
There are stupid, ingnorant [sic] people everywhere on the the globe
Truer words have never been said, yet something remains unsaid. There are two Americas, one that runs more or less in tandem with other developed nations, and has absorbed and expanded upon the wisdom of the world, and another,an idiocracy reflective of a country in it’s adolescence, that courts stupid – young dumb and full of cum.
You seem to have tremendous guilt built up in your soul. At least the common “hick” or “internet zombie” in the U.S. is free to pursue their version of happiness and always have been. And many of them have uncles, grand fathers and great grandfathers who gave their lives in 2 world wars so that you weren’t forced to speak German or wind up in an ash bin. Go on sneering at them, however, as they will likely be called up to save your as* again someday.
No doubt that Britain would have been toast without America. I am grateful to the Americans who lived around that time. I must confess though that that spirit is missing to a large extent in these days.
We would certainly would have lost the Great War if not for the help of Paul Warburg, JP Morgan and the US Government in 1916/17.
However quite rightly you acted in your own self interest. âWeâ owed you âsquillionsâ and if we had LOST, Kaiser Bill was NOT going to pay our bill!
” in your own self intestine”, was that a Freudian slip?
No,just poor typing, a skill I have to master, as in my days it was performed (magnificently) by the âgalsâ in the âpoolâ.
I gather from my g/ children there is some wretched gremlin within an I pad called âpredicted textâ, which I have yet to get to grips with!
.. And then neatly gave most of Europe to Stalin…
My later regimental friends who commanded our battalions in Afghanistan would not be so sure having seen the modern US military in action….
Get real.
The Americans ran the whole show.
Our disgraceful and parsimonious
politicians let our amed forces down.
They were provided with inferior kit.
NO HELICOPTERS and inadequate
land vehicles.
As EX Army you must know that.
The main culprit was Gordan Brown.
That’s bias from a frenchman no doubt. America has done pretty well until Obama and Biden. There was nothing more barbaric than the French revolution. The only civil war that the Americans had was to free black slaves. The Frech have a much more barbaric history than the Americans if you look into it.
Well that little period of 1783 – circa 1900 when you conducted a myriad of genocidal âsmash & grabâ raids against the indigenous population must count as one of the most appalling atrocities in Modern History. After all you damned near exterminated them did you not?
The French may not be blameless but âyouâ record particularly recently under the pygmy Bush Jnr in Iraq was also simply deplorable.
More native Americans died from disease and colonial powers before 1776 than after.
Apparently Clemenceau never said this. It first appeared in a snotty article in the Saturday Review of Literature (1 December 1945), although there is a passing reference in Frank Lloyd Wright’s An Autobiography (1943). Of course, in 1943 he still had sixteen years to go, but presumably he felt it necessary to get the autobiography out of the way.
Interesting, perhaps Clemenceauâs other cynical quips gave it some validity?
Consider the source — a jealous Frog.
In fact a very perceptive politician, far ahead of your man Wilson as it so happens.
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